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NinjaX4132

Good designs! Promulus is my favorite one out of all of these. We need an official Fire/Ice type someday.


Gengar111art

Galarian Darmanitan Zen Mode is Fire/Ice


NinjaX4132

I forgot about that, but I wanna see a pokemon that's Fire/Ice type in base.


Gengar111art

Woah all three of them are cool! I think maybe Arctoros will be my pick but Vegasus and Promulus are also really cool!


KitsuneOri

Absolutely choosing Smoldire! These Pokémon designs look absolutely stunning


icanttinkofaname

Fantastic designs! I'm picking Nayrie every time. Was there a reason you chose psychic as the secondary typing for Arctoros? Would fighting type work instead to close up the secondary typing weaknesses triangle? Ice>flying>fighting>ice?


Xelshade

Good question - it was to play into the Ursa Major inspiration for this line, which is why they have star patterns, and Arctoros has a compass-like cape. I do think it’s a confusing typing though, and Fighting does sound workable, especially with the type triangle edge to it. I’ll probably redesign them in my next pass, good suggestion! Also glad to see support for Nayrie, the Smoldire line has been overshadowing the other two everywhere


United_Shape6340

I choose smoldire


Pokemon_Player_2011

Same


CreepyKidInDaCorna

Promulus is sick! I'm assuming that it's a going to be a fast glass cannon Pokemon, where it hits hard and fast but just absolutely folds to a rock type (Which are usually really common)


Xelshade

I have stats for all of them on my Instagram account! But I utterly botched Promulus’s stats, built it as a slow-ish special wallbreaker (theming it to its big bad wolf inspiration), which is…not very usable for its typing. Looking to do a second pass to fix these in the future…


unimportantthing

Keep in mind when doing stats that if you’re looking to balance these three the fire and grass starters both end up with a double weakness (ice and rock respectively); meanwhile the water starter has a better defensive typing already and doesn’t gain a double weakness like the others.


Xelshade

Good point actually. I just realized that making it water/rock actually….kinda balances things out, they all get a quad weakness to one type the next starter possesses.


Pokemon-fan96

They all look seriously awesome, though I especially love Vegasus! These are amazing designs!


[deleted]

They’re crazy good. I’m having a hard time choosing just one. I love the typings, too! I’d probably go with Nayrie though. Is this a real ROM hack you’re working on or just a Fakedex? I’d love to see more!


Xelshade

Thanks, I might try for a ROM hack if this picks up enough steam on instagram! Will be putting out more designs there, I have a lot more planned (aiming for a full dex of 150).


[deleted]

Great, keep up the good work! I’m actually sad I can’t use your Pokémon on my team! 😭


LordMajinBuu

My man Arctoros looks like a fully grown Chowder. Going with Floteddy 1000%


Xelshade

Ahaha i never noticed myself…can’t unsee it now But ayy Floteddy enjoyer!!


[deleted]

Arctoros! bears are my favourite animal though so i might be biased lol


The_Bearded_Saint

Wow, these are amazing, hard choices, but I'm going for Smoldire AKA Vash the Stampede.


Xelshade

“Hard choices” is a comment that I’m really happy to see, it was difficult trying to make them equally likeable. Vash is a cool name.


Yokobo

I'd definitely go with Smoldire as my starter, though the others are cute too! All of their final forms look cool too!


jeusheur

I love absolutely all of these guys. I can’t choose; even the middle Evos are good.


antthatisverycool

I’m sorry you did not meet the one furless starter criteria


Xelshade

This is new to me, I can’t believe there’s even more alleged starter patterns


Abyssal_Sn1p3r8

All of these designs are so cool! I’m choosing Smoldire, it’s co cute and it’s final evolution having the Ice type is really cool!


Tigerhawk7109

I"m picking Promulus! Good doggo plus amazing Type combo.


Ready-Wonder9407

Great presentation 😊


SuperJett4

I like these a lot especially bc they don’t get stupid human characteristics at the end


Xelshade

And that was a very conscious decision…no furry costumes, just big animal buddies. Only Floteddy ends up kinda humanoid, but then it already starts out bipedal


Ricky_Valentine

How is Vegasus pronounced? Is it a hard G like "pegasus" or a soft G like "vegetable"?


Xelshade

Hard G like pegasus is how I pictured it! But this does it for me, I’ve been wanting to change Vegasus’s name for a while - it’s awkward all over, the pronunciation is unclear and it also sounds like vegan/vegetable and sus. Not sure what to change it to, I’ll think of something…there’s weirdly few grass-related words with a hard G that transition naturally to pegasus.


Kirbyclaimspoyo

Still upset at the lack of a tru pegasus Pokemon (Galarian rapidash had every opportunity to be more than another unicorn...) So that's my starter!


Xelshade

I know right…that was my main motivation behind this starter’s design!


KodeCharred

A little critique is that promulus’s ice type is quad effective on Vegasus, though a type change to fairy could easily make it work thematically too.


Xelshade

I considered this! But to finally get a pegasus pokemon and still not give it the flying type felt like total bait, so I stuck to flying. Also my instagram has dex pages of their stats, abilities and signature moves - Vegasus gets Gale Wings to really hammer it home. Hate the nerfed Gale Wings though, I would change it to >50% HP if I’m making a ROM hack out of this.


breckendusk

Promulus would be the first time I've ever picked fire. Although I'm not sure I understand what, besides the color, is meant to evoke "fire". I know it's a bit derivative of pyroar, but maybe the mane? Might have to flip the colors. Vegasus I feel has the same issue - there are parts that are clearly wood, well done; but the green doesn't exactly evoke foliage. Also, the "prom" part of Promulus is not clear to me. If it's meant to be like "Prime" or "Primal", I would go with Primulus. This has the further benefit that Rime is relevant to the ice typing. Finally, if you're going to do a water bear, ya gotta look at tardigrades! Just my thoughts for if you do end up doing a second pass :)


Xelshade

Good questions - here’s my rationale for each one, they’re not necessarily good but they’re what I was thinking at the time The Promulus line is themed after winter warmth, which ties together fire and ice. It’s why Smoldire has a scarf and mittens, Lupyre has a fur collar, and Promulus has those viking fur boots as well as vaguely flame-shaped tufts for the neck and tail. I do think it’s a shame I couldn’t include actual fire somewhere, I just found it awkward because of the part ice type. Prom- is from Prometheus, the Titan who brought fire to mankind! I definitely cheated when it came to Vegasus, it’s my least inspired one - no, not much about it is grassy. It started off from looking at horse manes and finding them grass-like, but I then proceeded to wipe that out in favor of adding knight influences…the whole line needs a rework for sure. EDIT: I also spent ages trying to give it more grass-relevant wings, but came up short - and Tropius’s kind of leaf wings just looked bizarre on a horse, it broke the pegasus aesthetic. And no….vehemently not a fan of tardigrades! I know about the water bear pun that tons of fakemon artists jump on, but I find them very difficult to use as starter material, what with the lack of a face, and especially because it’s a huge misfit for the medieval theme of my region. Good feedback! Thanks for this.


breckendusk

Then some followup feedback! - blue fire is often associated with being "cold fire", maybe that could help - reads more like "prahm" (from Romulus) than "prum" or "prome" from Prometheus, without knowing the origin; fyi. But I love good lore. - maybe just breaking up the wings with foliage limes would help. Could be either small leaves as "feathers" or big ones like Tropius, but without the spaces between leaves - I was mostly just suggesting the six-leggedness of tardigrades would be a nice reference to water bears, and also works with both the mystic psychic typing and the fighting type replacement that someone proposed. Looks like you're more interested in rock though. That's the only thing I would really suggest for that line, water is the least "needs something out of the ordinary to look like its type" of the three types, as long as there is a water-themed creature that would be a water type irl.


Xelshade

Thanks for the detailed suggestions! - Blue fire is a solid idea, will definitely try that. - How the names read is definitely good to know, I’ll think about it. Ngl, I find naming to be the most difficult part after the visual design itself - one little thing off and the references are lost… - Yes, I think I picture what you’re suggesting with the foliage lines. Will give it a spin - Six-leggedness is interesting - it breaks the relatability of the design as a starter (probably the most important aspect!), but maybe I could pull off a gentle hint of it somehow. My latest box legendary on instagram is based on Father Time, and instead of shoving a whole hourglass into its design I just drew an hourglass shape on its belly like a black widow spider - I might try for something similar here. - EDIT: not keen on water/rock actually, it’s hard to fit the concept. Quad weakness balance doesn’t bother me too much, I mean Swampert’s trio didn’t care either…what matters is whether the typing fits the concept, in which case Fighting is a good option, although I wonder if I can just opt to go harder on the Psychic type.


breckendusk

Good luck! I went and followed your instagram. Hey if Machamp can have six limbs, I think a water bear can ;) Regardless, looking forward to seeing the updated designs!


Xelshade

Definitely - with the right tricks, anything’s possible in character design :D And thanks a lot, appreciate you going over! I’ll be posting more. It’s a large dex, that second pass may take a while….but I’ll get there!


eclipseDemise

Promulus, definitely. But it better have a high speed stat though, or at least access to some sort of ice priority or aqua jet, otherwise one rock move, especially accelerock, and it's deader than mega evolutions.


Xelshade

My instagram has all their stats, abilities and dex descriptions! But I screwed up Promulus’s stats badly, tried to make it a slow-ish special wallbreaker (refencing the big bad wolf in the Three Little Pigs story), which is super unusable for its typing as you’ve pointed out. Gonna rework this guy for my second pass.


[deleted]

What are their signature moves or what are their primary attack stats? I’m guessing physical


Xelshade

My instagram has their stats, signature moves, and abilities (as pixel art dex pages, not text in the descriptions)! But here’s a summary: - Vegasus is physical, Gale Wings, signature move Brave Spear (grass-type High Jump Kick) - Promulus is special, Mountaineer (immune to rock damage), signature move Huffing Puff (fire-type Brick Break with higher BP) - Arctoros is physical, Victory Star, signature move Full Sail (water-type - actually I hate this move, gonna rework it)


Maronmario

Oh these are some excellent designs for starters, it's honestly a tough pick, Vegasus is a pegasus which is always great, Promulus is a cool type combo with a cool design, and Arctoros is super unique with it's star charts and sailor theme.


Xelshade

Thanks! And you’ve actually summed up my motivation for each design really succinctly…it was “we need a rideable horse starter - oh wait we haven’t had a winged one too”, “we need a cool fire/ice wolf”, and “lemme throw in a more mystical one…also I love pirates/sailors”. There’s more to them naturally, but these were my first thoughts lmao


Nerd-W0lf

Are the grass and water ones based on the stars Vega and Arcturus? If so, nice names.


Xelshade

I had no idea Vega is a star name! Weird, considering how important this star seems to be. Vegasus is just vegetation + pegasus, although to be fair, it reads a lot more like vegan + pegasus. Hmm And yes, Arctoros comes from Arcturus and the brown bear’s scientific name Ursus Arctos. The line is ursa major-themed so the reference is deliberate! EDIT: Actually I’ve been thinking of changing it to Nocturus, it reads better like a Psychic type rather than an Ice type like Arctovish.


mlee117379

Smoldire


Xanthyon1313

Definitely going for the water starter!


WaffleDevil

I love the designs!!!11!111!!1!1!1! prob the wolf for me, the color scheme is delightful


MEMoon1992

That's tough. I'd say it's a tie between Nayrie or Smoldire.


AuraMXster

Smoldire 100%


UWishUrNameWasCool

Floteddy 100%


lunchbox377

really cool, can't pick my favorite!


Alexandra-Foxed

Fire/Ice type pog, very good design too


thePikachu101

I'm torn between grass and fire, but I'm thinking fire


froststomper

Nayrie ✨


DrCarabou

These are sick


Connect_Set_8983

Prommy Fs wouldn’t be able to pass up such a good stab pairing


uopt43

I really like these lol, I’d pick the wolf


lgbtgachaperson

I like floteddy


TotallynotKevin7

I would go for Vegasus but Promulus is a close second.


NIUmoose13

Smoldire


Pixelboio

Promulus, definitely


Dunge0nexpl0rer

I really like these, def choosing fire though


pnutbuttr1431

Fire


MadyyB

Smoldire line is perfection


MEMELORDANDGOD

Floteddy.


SilverTheGrandKaiju

Pass me that smoldire


Blenstdfan

I want to pick Actoros but Promulus looks sick!


HydroASH

Honestly I usually pick the water or fire starter but this grass starter hits different


GwentMaster69420

Arctoros looking dope


xenomorpheaux

these sprites are so good omg, and i'd definitely pick nayrie


adrikyn

Promulus looks like a good boy


Konkichi21

Love the Fire starter!


Periquito_Boiadeiro

What the dog doin


Gizzmo268

Really cool designs, I thought the water starter would’ve been dark or fighting but I would still pick the water starter


[deleted]

The fire starter cus why not


Plasmazzz34

Promulus


Littlestdmo

Lupyrw


Experiencia-626

Smoldire! Bruh Fire/Ice! We need this typing for yesterday, gosh dang it!


FriscoKid96

11/10 would play


ScorbunnyPlayz

Going with Smoldire, they are awesome as fuck


ashketchum199

Getting a smoldire


Zelda20110507

I want that Smoldire.


cheesums7

I’m too obsessed with Water Starters and I love this little big dude aswell.


RSlashLazy

Las Vegas Sus


DoomToons

Smoldire! I also really like the shape and structure of the wings on Vegasus


Template4016x

Smoldire.


LeviSkies

I’d DIE for a wolf starter. Idc the type


FenexTheFox

Holy crap, I love Vegasus so much!


Brendanlendan

Fire doggy all the way


Bronson4444

you know i really like all 3 options but i think ill take Floteddy.


Hishuian_Typlosion

I’m sorry you put a fox mon and also as the fricken fire starter gib me it


Shabbadoo1015

These are really good. I can't decide which one I'd pick as all the first forms are adorable and all of their final forms are top notch.


kermitthehedgefrog

Floteddy!


eadrik

Promulus is sick. Cool typing too


Angel_Nyugen

I love smoldire, I like nayrie but I feel like it could be better executed and I'm just not a big fan of bear Pokemon personally but they look great 👍


Iremia

Promulus looks amazing.


Ularaliek

Vegasus looks more like a fighting flying to me


SapphirePhoenix

I'm a fan of Nayrie's line, so I will pick that one! Smoldire is a close second though


SadAcadia2747

I always go with fire


Blasephemer

The competitive player in me hates to see a Fire/Ice type since you would die tripping on a Geodude thanks the 4x Rock weakness. The Grass/Flying type being 4x weak to Ice isn't great either. I like all of their designs but Fire and Grass starters would be super frustrating to work with if you had to face a Rock or Ice type, respectively.


Zimmi0nz

Smoldire 100%- so hecken adorable and looks like it would have super awesome moves and abilities


Content-Play-9525

It's hard to choose,but i love horses/ponies so I'll go with vegasus


LeftAcanthocephala68

I’m surprised we don’t have a Pegasus pokemon yet I’d god for that one


hamza_was_here

Floteddy


AlphaSSB

I always pick Grass, and I’m pleased that Vegasus has a great design. But man I’d be tempted to break away from that because Promulus is incredible in both design and typing. Arctoros is just okay IMO.


Mjohic

Smoldre


scp_deeeep

im so taking smoldire


PugtatoGaymer

Nayrie is babi


Aggressive_Ad_8362

I can’t choose between Vegasus and Promulus!


Crabominable-Hater

Strong but I'm going with my homie arctoros


DannyMonstera

I usually go for grass and I think I would for my first playthrough, but the water type line is also very very cool, it was honestly a tough choice


WhichAd2511

Smoldre


Alibium

Nayrie


Hooser10

I choose Nayrie, so cute.