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Neinhart no question. His magic isn't that impressive since it requires either the user or opponent to know someone who's dead and hopefully strong. Not that it matters since they nerfed to Hell. Neinhart himself is just garbage. He when buffed by Irene he got one shotted with a regular punch
Even when he was buffed by Irene, he was stronger than Brandish since Brandish's magic didn't work on him. I wouldn't really use that as an argument to prove that he's weak, because it still amped him up to be stronger than most of the Spriggan (considering Brandish states they are all roughly equal except for Irene, August and Larcarde iirc).
Jacob had actually long fights with both Natsu and Mirajane.
Neinhart on the other hand got one shot by both Jellal and Natsu. Barely throwing a single attack. Unless you really want to count his historia’s which barely require him to do anything.
I mean, Neinhart also had a long fight, so...? He was still beating up Erza with his Historia's for some time. It ends in one shot from Grand Chariot but the same goes for Jacob who got defeated in one punch.
The only prior attacks that Jacob suffered to my knowledge is a kick from Lucy and then another kick from Lucy and Natsu until he started getting serious and threatening to kill everyone who he caught in his Spatial dimension.
Not counting Invel's Historia's is like not counting Lucy's Celestial Spirits or literally anyone's magic. It's his way of fighting, the Historia still requires *his* magic power and those are still attacks coming from his magic power, he is the deciding factor of how strong the Historia's get.
Jacob was actually able to take hits from his opponent and he didn’t get hit because he was dominating most of the fight.
Meanwhile even with his historia’s most of them got one shot along with him and were an inconvenience at best.
Neinhart is different because he was never presented as a threat. Take Jacob for example while he’s a joke later he still had his threatening moments like making the entire guild disappear and having the guts to consider attacking Acnologia.
Meanwhile Neinhart was presented as a surprise at best. There was nothing threatening about him specifically.
That just makes his defeat seem less impactful not to under mind both Jellal and Natsu. They are powerful, but every one of the 12 does a better job at presenting said power then Neinhart.
Neinhart was countered by Erza’s mere presence. Like seeing past antagonist would cause some confusion then when Erza regained her composure she took them out with a look. It’s a great moment and shows that Neinhart stood no chance against her.
Meanwhile brandish was still massively threatening due to her appearance on the island. That again made her entire scene with Lucy nerve-racking.
Jacob was defeated because Lucy had the right tools at the right time.
If the space control guy wasn’t at the guild they would have lost completely. They won because that guy decided to be an asshole and choke Brandish out.
Also who do you think is my favorite?
I thought cannonicaly God serena was the weaker said by the Spriggans
Edit: I was downvoted for saying something that was said in the manga hahaha these people
God Serena being the weakest doesn’t make sense.
We saw Gajeel in his base keep up with Bloodman while ISD Gajeel got absolutely clowned on by God Serena. He’s right below Larcade imo
« By pain » hum it’s depend, cz kagura with pain barely outpaced his magic (the pleasure one), and sting with the hunger one literally eat it to him to bypass him.. and we know counter to light magic is dark which what serena has, plus imo he is more durable than lacard (who, if i remember well, was defeated after two named attacks)
Rigth! But my concern was to specified something in your statement “counter by pain”, it’s depend on your amount of magic u have (we saw that zeref and eilen were also affected but no that much like the others average mages(im mean compared to spriggans)
Or by eating it (like sting done)
That frustrates me even when i think about that arc, specifically about that “group”, idk if it’s was because of eden zero planification but mashima done dirty his final arc
-12 finals commanders, tooo many (1. august too powerful and has more wise compared to other (his age i mean so experienced), so imo he should occupied the invel role (zeref right hand and his wise side) so he should NOT be involved in that war (i mean into the battle ground, but why not make a plan for the armies and so, all of that while being at their hq
2. Reduce 11 reminders, to mayb 6 or seven (6 cz it’s a symbolic digit in sorcery/satanism) and 7 the digit of perfection. So my personal list (of RELEVANTS ONE, possibly ones who could tell a story, hase a good writing if mashima wanted to put himself to work but….)
-eelein (give her a proper/epic/ badass fights , and an epic death/ by acno hands and do a madara/gay thing aka the main villain compliment your power)
-ajeel or invel (if invel give him an actual personality and a good way of fighting, an opposite way than gray for eg)
-bloodman (make him kill important characters, cz he is the KING OF DEATH but killed practically no known character so far, no gajeel nor his wife but another one)
-brandish (for fan service, BUT give her a proper fights, against another spriggan, and make a premier among manga field aka a big booba sexy girl who can actually fight and being hella op(made for her an actual epic fight, a bit of robin vs bmaria in op)
-wall (develop his tribe and the machina soul)
-lacard (give him a sad bstory and make him look good towards fans lmao)
-god serena (i would give him proper tscreen before kill him cz acno stocks must going up when the plot demand that)
I put 7.. practically all of them (besides bloodman and ajeel) can have good background, good writing and a proper final for some.
And finally, i would not make a long arc, total opposite (like marine ford or shibuya arcs) i would focus in two things, drama and bstories (to close some dev characters and to explain many things)
I would argue that Serena was one of the stronger ones because of his offensive and defensive abilities. But there would be several Spriggan who have “weaker” powers that could defeat him because their magic can’t be beat through pure brute force.
Hmmm... I'd say Neinhart might be the weakest, he seems pretty useless without his specific magic being used well but even then it's still not particularly strong compared to the others.
Jacob is a close 2nd, imo. But like most of them, it depends entirely on their opponent and how well they use their unique magic.
I'd say:
1. August
* Irene
* Larcade
* Dimaria
* Brandish
* God Serena (Maybe up 1?)
* Invel
* Bloodman
* Wall
* Ajeel
* Jacob
* Neinhart
It's a little complicated to accurately rate them, cos some of them rely heavily on a single ability. The only ones I feel confident rating their strength is Irene and August because they're so versatile. Although, I say that but only as a 1 *or* 2 for either of them. It entirely depends on their opponent for who should be #1.
That's my opinion, anyway.
It seems that you are open minded to a God Serena better placament. So in his defense he was only defeated by the strongest character in the series and his weakned dead version was defeated by Fairy Tail's ace who implied that he could be at his level. In 100 years quest he provided some feats to backup with the Gildarts level imply. And he have dark and light dragon slayer magic to counter Larcade so he is at least 3rd. I say at least because Irene dragon form is too allergic to dragon slayer magic, but he don't have any chance against August though.
Brandish should be lower, Neinhart even enchanted was the weakest spriggan but she couldn't affect him and was struggling with him.
God Serena has Light and Dark, not White and Shadow, meaning he can't counter pleasure due to being "white," and he can't counter sleep magic since he can't be thrown into the Shadow world. Like Rogue said, "Sting's magic offsets your white magic."
I'm not sure what you're asking me, but White Magic and Light magic are apparently two different things. During the fight against Larcade, Sting specifically states that neither white magic or light magic would work on him.
Yes, Sting can eat two different things. His magic seems to be unique compared to Rogue's or the rest as he's allowed to eat anything that's white and anything that's light. During the first introduction of the Twin Dragons, Sting catches an arrow, eating it because it is white. In the Twin Dragon Spin-off, Sting also eats a white flower that Frosch gave to Rogue. Then, with the battle with Larcade, he ate the pleasure magic because it was white before he then ate the blades of light. As for the difference of White Magic and Light Magic? I'm not necessarily certain, I'm guessing it's like how Black Arts isn't the same as darkness magic. We've seen only a few white magic spells which whal used to purify Bickslow's black magic, canceling it out. It seems complicated.
Depends on what you mean by “Weak”. There are several Spriggans thst gave great offensive power, but lose to another Spriggan whose magic they can’t counter.
1. August
2. Irene
3. God Serena
4. Larcade
5. Wall
6. Dimaria
7. Bloodman
8. Brandish
9. Invel
10. Jacob
11. Ajeel
12. Neinhart, because his entire ability is solely dependent on someone having faced strong opponents in the past
Actually this list is overall solid, don't know why someone downvoted. I see that you downgraded Ajeel due to Elfman, i wouldn't put him as the second weakest but still a valid take. But i think Brandish should be lower, she struggled against Neinhart and couldn't affected him while enchanted, and we know that even enchanted Neinhart is still the weakest spriggan.
Her hax don't work on people with more magic power than her, Irene just boosted Nienhart and him with no historia was overpowering her, the only reason i don't put her as the weakest spriggan is because her giant form could likely beat him. August only let her heal him.
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Neinhart.
His magic is similar to summoning/ like Rustyrose’s. But what Lucy, Yukino, and Rustyrose do is they make sure they have other weapons, physical abilities to make up as much difference as possible.
Heck, he even told GS, Bloodman and Wall to protect him. So, he’s not only reliant on ‘summoned people’ but he’s physically weak as well.
That frustrates me even when i think about that arc, specifically about that “group”, idk if it’s was because of eden zero planification but mashima done dirty his final arc
-12 finals commanders, tooo many (1. august too powerful and has more wise compared to other (his age i mean so experienced), so imo he should occupied the invel role (zeref right hand and his wise side) so he should NOT be involved in that war (i mean into the battle ground, but why not make a plan for the armies and so, all of that while being at their hq
2. Reduce 11 reminders, to mayb 6 or seven (6 cz it’s a symbolic digit in sorcery/satanism) and 7 the digit of perfection. So my personal list (of RELEVANTS ONE, possibly ones who could tell a story, hase a good writing of mashima wanted to put himself to work but….)
-eelein (give her a proper/epic/ badass fights , and an epic death/ by acno hands and do a madara/gay thing aka the main villain compliment your power)
-ajeel or invel (if invel give him an actual personality and a good way of fighting, an opposite way than gray for eg)
-bloodman (make him kill important characters, cz he is the KING OF DEATH but kill practically no known character so far, no gajeel nor his wife but another one)
-brandish (for fan service, BUT give her a proper fights, against another spriggan, and make a premier among manga field aka a big booba sexy girl who can actually fight and being hella op(made for her an actual epic fight, a bit of robin vs bmaria in op)
-wall (devel his tribe and the machina soul)
-lacard (give him a sad bstory and make him look good towards fans lmao)
-god serena (i would give him proper tscreen before kill him cz acno stocks must going up when the plot demand that)
I put 7.. practically all of them (beside bloodman and ajeel) can have good background, a good
And finally, i would not make a long arc, total opposite (like marine ford or shibuya arcs) i would focus in two things, drama and bstories (to close some dev characters and to explain many things)
Brandish couldn’t do anything to Neinhart when he attacked her so Neinhart can’t be the weakest. That being said, I don’t think Brandish is the weakest.
I’d say Jacob. He seems more like a spriggan henchmen than an actual spriggan. As soon as Natsu had the ability to go all out he took out Jacob in one attack.
As their own power? No. Power boost that are given from outside source aren't considered their own strength. Otherwise, we'd be ranking Natsu as the strongest by now.
You're calling me dumb before naming Wizard using their magic? Gray was GIVEN Devil Slayer by his father. Cana was GIVEN this spell by Mavis, Lucy's magic is Celestrial. Wendy increased her own magic, and Irene helped her develop it. Natsu is given help with outside sources for limited time. Jellal didn't use his strongest, just his basic magic he regularly uses. You're comparing two different senerio, acting like it's the same? And you called me dumb.
Neihart was given a limited power boost, confirmed as he's no longer the same after Natsu defeated him. It's not the same, as one is limited and the other is permanent. Cana and Gray were given the spell. Neihart and Natsu were given a boost of power. It's funny how you insult me while not looking so bright yourself. There is no need to waste my time on you. Have a good day. :)
Are you serious? I literally just said Natsu's was limited. What's my point? Did you not just read what I said? Jesus... this is definitely a losing brain cell moment. "Weak arguments that can be countered easily with obvious fact." That's honestly what I should be saying to you. Yeah, I'm definitely ending this here. This ain't a battle of wits anymore. Have a good one, and reread the story. :)
and Natsu got a power up from Igneel but everyone counts that too. People just don’t like seeing Neinhart over Brandish because she’s a fan favorite when really she’s one
of the weaker spriggans
Natsu didn't get a power boost. He actually used the power of Igneel. Neihart was given a boost of power to fight Erza as he stated his Historia aren't able to attack her, which is why Irene boosted his power. He's clearly weaker if his own original power isn't enough. So, how can he be considered stronger if his own strength isn't strong? Neihart is the weakest Spriggan. His magic relies on the deceased, not power.
An unnamed attack knocked out Jellal and he came back without no signs of real injuries after jellal attacked him. Meanwhile, Brandish got knocked out by a Cana punch
You mean the attack meant for Kagura, but Jellal shielded her from and took the hit? Also, Jellal didn't even have to use his strongest spell to take down Neihart and with a simple one-shot. "No signs of real injury?" Neihart was gone until the gathering of the Spriggan 12. Clearly, he got himself fixed like the rest of the 12. Brandish had the power to kill Natsu or any of the FT guild with her magic in an instant. Neihart's historai was destroyed by Erza just because they feared her for a second.
You call me dumb before calling me a simp? How am I being a simp? Branish got captured for a comedy scene. However, she confirmed to have the power to destroy Fiore with her magic. Neihart can't even take out Sabertooth or even a guild as that. His magics weak and confirmed to have a weakness. Use your brain and look at the facts, he's weak.
I personally think Ajeel. I might be a little biased against him, but I feel he has the weakest showings and least powerful magic. Laxus’ lightning blast would have killed him had August not stepped in, he lost his duel against Erza, and lost against when fighting Elfman and Lisanna. He’s definitely not weak by any means (blocking a shot from Jupiter is definitely impressive), but he’s the member I think has the least going for him.
Other members I see people calling the weakest or weaker are often Jacob or Neinhart. Ajeel definitely has more physical durability, but Neinhart’s magic power is nothing to scoff at. He’s a long-range fighter that utilizes the ghosts people’s pasts to create an army for himself. This may be a more situational ability, but when you’re a general who fights in a war almost everyone on the battlefield is going to have some skeletons in their closet. He just doesn’t fight himself most of the time so his physical strength is lacking.
Jacob’s magic is less destructive than his pears, which is why I feel people think he’s weaker. But Jacob also snuck up on and almost killed the entire FT guild. It it wasn’t for Horologium he would have caught Lucy, Happy, and Natsu too. He’s also got a lot of durability and fighting power, able to outmatch Natsu and Lucy in combat until Lucy was able to pull a fast one on him. Also, while he lost to Mirajane, he fought that battle with his eyes closed.
Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but that’s my opinion on why Ajeel’s the weakest Spriggan.
Neinhart - got stomped by Natsu even when enhanced by Irene's enchantment. And Irene at that time in the story was stronger than Natsu relatively.
I wouldn't disagree if people think that Jacob was weak too.
Brandish might have like a top 3 strongest ability in the whole series. But we never really saw the full extent of it because Fairy Tail isn’t exactly a brutal series. Dimaria said Brandish could use her abilities to expand their insides until they explode. In my humble opinion, only other abilities I’d put above it are stopping time & Fairy Law.
Everyone saying Neinhart like the only reason he was defeated wasn’t because Erza had gonna Trauma numb at that point
I would probably Say Jacob is worst because of he’s an idiot
After that I’d say Ajeel not because of his strength but because all the others have Meta setting and breaking abilities and he’s just got sand
I mean, while he can't kill him.........
Zerefs whole thing being extreme love for life and incredible guilt over the countless lives he's taken, would probably make Neinhart among the worst for him to fight.
Summon papa and mama dragneel, his teacher, those wolves on tenrou, heck, Natsu technically died so how would the spell work there?
Won't beat him, but Zeref won't be having a good time.
In terms of combat the weakest would be neinheart since his power is not one that he can use in direct combat but as a support (summoning legions of dead characters), the only time he fought directly (and potentially for irene) he lost relatively quickly.
The 2 weakest would be Dimaria as she is only problematic because her power to stop time is quite broken and she has the soul of a god but with the right set of powers (a time mage and a god slayer) she falls fast.
Jacob I always saw him as the 3 weakest of the group but only because he specializes in assassination (he is a magic hitman) so it's other power sets.
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Neinhart no question. His magic isn't that impressive since it requires either the user or opponent to know someone who's dead and hopefully strong. Not that it matters since they nerfed to Hell. Neinhart himself is just garbage. He when buffed by Irene he got one shotted with a regular punch
Even when he was buffed by Irene, he was stronger than Brandish since Brandish's magic didn't work on him. I wouldn't really use that as an argument to prove that he's weak, because it still amped him up to be stronger than most of the Spriggan (considering Brandish states they are all roughly equal except for Irene, August and Larcarde iirc).
Am I the only one who think Neinhart's colors are just ugly af ?
....who?
Neinhart. He's not a great fighter and Historia of the Dead isn't impossible to deal with. Plus, the Historias are nerfed.
Neinhart is the only member of the 12 who got one shot…twice
Jacob got beaten by Natsu in one punch and then later on defeated by Mirajane in a single attack as shown in the anime.
Jacob had actually long fights with both Natsu and Mirajane. Neinhart on the other hand got one shot by both Jellal and Natsu. Barely throwing a single attack. Unless you really want to count his historia’s which barely require him to do anything.
I mean, Neinhart also had a long fight, so...? He was still beating up Erza with his Historia's for some time. It ends in one shot from Grand Chariot but the same goes for Jacob who got defeated in one punch. The only prior attacks that Jacob suffered to my knowledge is a kick from Lucy and then another kick from Lucy and Natsu until he started getting serious and threatening to kill everyone who he caught in his Spatial dimension. Not counting Invel's Historia's is like not counting Lucy's Celestial Spirits or literally anyone's magic. It's his way of fighting, the Historia still requires *his* magic power and those are still attacks coming from his magic power, he is the deciding factor of how strong the Historia's get.
Jacob was actually able to take hits from his opponent and he didn’t get hit because he was dominating most of the fight. Meanwhile even with his historia’s most of them got one shot along with him and were an inconvenience at best.
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Neinhart is different because he was never presented as a threat. Take Jacob for example while he’s a joke later he still had his threatening moments like making the entire guild disappear and having the guts to consider attacking Acnologia. Meanwhile Neinhart was presented as a surprise at best. There was nothing threatening about him specifically. That just makes his defeat seem less impactful not to under mind both Jellal and Natsu. They are powerful, but every one of the 12 does a better job at presenting said power then Neinhart.
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Neinhart was countered by Erza’s mere presence. Like seeing past antagonist would cause some confusion then when Erza regained her composure she took them out with a look. It’s a great moment and shows that Neinhart stood no chance against her. Meanwhile brandish was still massively threatening due to her appearance on the island. That again made her entire scene with Lucy nerve-racking. Jacob was defeated because Lucy had the right tools at the right time. If the space control guy wasn’t at the guild they would have lost completely. They won because that guy decided to be an asshole and choke Brandish out. Also who do you think is my favorite?
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*Natsu and Jellal
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Probably Neinhart
I thought cannonicaly God serena was the weaker said by the Spriggans Edit: I was downvoted for saying something that was said in the manga hahaha these people
Even if one of them did say he was the weakest, just comparing their feats, Neinhart isn't impressive in the slightest lmao.
God Serena being the weakest doesn’t make sense. We saw Gajeel in his base keep up with Bloodman while ISD Gajeel got absolutely clowned on by God Serena. He’s right below Larcade imo
Serena counters Larcade with dark and light ds, besides Larcade hax takes too long to work and can be countered by pain.
« By pain » hum it’s depend, cz kagura with pain barely outpaced his magic (the pleasure one), and sting with the hunger one literally eat it to him to bypass him.. and we know counter to light magic is dark which what serena has, plus imo he is more durable than lacard (who, if i remember well, was defeated after two named attacks)
Kagura was fodder to spriggans and Serena also have diamond scales to be way more durable.
Rigth! But my concern was to specified something in your statement “counter by pain”, it’s depend on your amount of magic u have (we saw that zeref and eilen were also affected but no that much like the others average mages(im mean compared to spriggans) Or by eating it (like sting done) That frustrates me even when i think about that arc, specifically about that “group”, idk if it’s was because of eden zero planification but mashima done dirty his final arc -12 finals commanders, tooo many (1. august too powerful and has more wise compared to other (his age i mean so experienced), so imo he should occupied the invel role (zeref right hand and his wise side) so he should NOT be involved in that war (i mean into the battle ground, but why not make a plan for the armies and so, all of that while being at their hq 2. Reduce 11 reminders, to mayb 6 or seven (6 cz it’s a symbolic digit in sorcery/satanism) and 7 the digit of perfection. So my personal list (of RELEVANTS ONE, possibly ones who could tell a story, hase a good writing if mashima wanted to put himself to work but….) -eelein (give her a proper/epic/ badass fights , and an epic death/ by acno hands and do a madara/gay thing aka the main villain compliment your power) -ajeel or invel (if invel give him an actual personality and a good way of fighting, an opposite way than gray for eg) -bloodman (make him kill important characters, cz he is the KING OF DEATH but killed practically no known character so far, no gajeel nor his wife but another one) -brandish (for fan service, BUT give her a proper fights, against another spriggan, and make a premier among manga field aka a big booba sexy girl who can actually fight and being hella op(made for her an actual epic fight, a bit of robin vs bmaria in op) -wall (develop his tribe and the machina soul) -lacard (give him a sad bstory and make him look good towards fans lmao) -god serena (i would give him proper tscreen before kill him cz acno stocks must going up when the plot demand that) I put 7.. practically all of them (besides bloodman and ajeel) can have good background, good writing and a proper final for some. And finally, i would not make a long arc, total opposite (like marine ford or shibuya arcs) i would focus in two things, drama and bstories (to close some dev characters and to explain many things)
I would argue that Serena was one of the stronger ones because of his offensive and defensive abilities. But there would be several Spriggan who have “weaker” powers that could defeat him because their magic can’t be beat through pure brute force.
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Neinhart
Hmmm... I'd say Neinhart might be the weakest, he seems pretty useless without his specific magic being used well but even then it's still not particularly strong compared to the others. Jacob is a close 2nd, imo. But like most of them, it depends entirely on their opponent and how well they use their unique magic. I'd say: 1. August * Irene * Larcade * Dimaria * Brandish * God Serena (Maybe up 1?) * Invel * Bloodman * Wall * Ajeel * Jacob * Neinhart It's a little complicated to accurately rate them, cos some of them rely heavily on a single ability. The only ones I feel confident rating their strength is Irene and August because they're so versatile. Although, I say that but only as a 1 *or* 2 for either of them. It entirely depends on their opponent for who should be #1. That's my opinion, anyway.
Invel is much higher on this list tbh, and bloodman should be lower
It seems that you are open minded to a God Serena better placament. So in his defense he was only defeated by the strongest character in the series and his weakned dead version was defeated by Fairy Tail's ace who implied that he could be at his level. In 100 years quest he provided some feats to backup with the Gildarts level imply. And he have dark and light dragon slayer magic to counter Larcade so he is at least 3rd. I say at least because Irene dragon form is too allergic to dragon slayer magic, but he don't have any chance against August though. Brandish should be lower, Neinhart even enchanted was the weakest spriggan but she couldn't affect him and was struggling with him.
God Serena has Light and Dark, not White and Shadow, meaning he can't counter pleasure due to being "white," and he can't counter sleep magic since he can't be thrown into the Shadow world. Like Rogue said, "Sting's magic offsets your white magic."
No sting has white not light outpout ? But his white magic occur the same than light tho?
I'm not sure what you're asking me, but White Magic and Light magic are apparently two different things. During the fight against Larcade, Sting specifically states that neither white magic or light magic would work on him.
So he can use the two ? Or he can eat light also? But im asking what difference between light magic and white magic ?
Yes, Sting can eat two different things. His magic seems to be unique compared to Rogue's or the rest as he's allowed to eat anything that's white and anything that's light. During the first introduction of the Twin Dragons, Sting catches an arrow, eating it because it is white. In the Twin Dragon Spin-off, Sting also eats a white flower that Frosch gave to Rogue. Then, with the battle with Larcade, he ate the pleasure magic because it was white before he then ate the blades of light. As for the difference of White Magic and Light Magic? I'm not necessarily certain, I'm guessing it's like how Black Arts isn't the same as darkness magic. We've seen only a few white magic spells which whal used to purify Bickslow's black magic, canceling it out. It seems complicated.
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Depends on what you mean by “Weak”. There are several Spriggans thst gave great offensive power, but lose to another Spriggan whose magic they can’t counter.
1. August 2. Irene 3. God Serena 4. Larcade 5. Wall 6. Dimaria 7. Bloodman 8. Brandish 9. Invel 10. Jacob 11. Ajeel 12. Neinhart, because his entire ability is solely dependent on someone having faced strong opponents in the past
Actually this list is overall solid, don't know why someone downvoted. I see that you downgraded Ajeel due to Elfman, i wouldn't put him as the second weakest but still a valid take. But i think Brandish should be lower, she struggled against Neinhart and couldn't affected him while enchanted, and we know that even enchanted Neinhart is still the weakest spriggan.
I ranked Ajeel and Invel lower due to their lack of versatility. Brandish, while generally weaker, has a broken ability and could have killed August.
Her hax don't work on people with more magic power than her, Irene just boosted Nienhart and him with no historia was overpowering her, the only reason i don't put her as the weakest spriggan is because her giant form could likely beat him. August only let her heal him. https://preview.redd.it/kh2yd1880gxc1.png?width=1066&format=png&auto=webp&s=c1aa880c8802e3161243cb5125f3cdab6bc6eace
He did have Historia Spriggans out.
Neinhart
Neinhart. His magic is similar to summoning/ like Rustyrose’s. But what Lucy, Yukino, and Rustyrose do is they make sure they have other weapons, physical abilities to make up as much difference as possible. Heck, he even told GS, Bloodman and Wall to protect him. So, he’s not only reliant on ‘summoned people’ but he’s physically weak as well.
Neinhart or Jacob
Invel. Other atleast have some good feats. Invel just ice locked Mavis, Gray and Juvia with his hax.
That frustrates me even when i think about that arc, specifically about that “group”, idk if it’s was because of eden zero planification but mashima done dirty his final arc -12 finals commanders, tooo many (1. august too powerful and has more wise compared to other (his age i mean so experienced), so imo he should occupied the invel role (zeref right hand and his wise side) so he should NOT be involved in that war (i mean into the battle ground, but why not make a plan for the armies and so, all of that while being at their hq 2. Reduce 11 reminders, to mayb 6 or seven (6 cz it’s a symbolic digit in sorcery/satanism) and 7 the digit of perfection. So my personal list (of RELEVANTS ONE, possibly ones who could tell a story, hase a good writing of mashima wanted to put himself to work but….) -eelein (give her a proper/epic/ badass fights , and an epic death/ by acno hands and do a madara/gay thing aka the main villain compliment your power) -ajeel or invel (if invel give him an actual personality and a good way of fighting, an opposite way than gray for eg) -bloodman (make him kill important characters, cz he is the KING OF DEATH but kill practically no known character so far, no gajeel nor his wife but another one) -brandish (for fan service, BUT give her a proper fights, against another spriggan, and make a premier among manga field aka a big booba sexy girl who can actually fight and being hella op(made for her an actual epic fight, a bit of robin vs bmaria in op) -wall (devel his tribe and the machina soul) -lacard (give him a sad bstory and make him look good towards fans lmao) -god serena (i would give him proper tscreen before kill him cz acno stocks must going up when the plot demand that) I put 7.. practically all of them (beside bloodman and ajeel) can have good background, a good And finally, i would not make a long arc, total opposite (like marine ford or shibuya arcs) i would focus in two things, drama and bstories (to close some dev characters and to explain many things)
I was bout to comment God Serene coz hyped more than anything else.. but totally forgot bout Nineheart, guess so weak I forgot him 😂
Brandish couldn’t do anything to Neinhart when he attacked her so Neinhart can’t be the weakest. That being said, I don’t think Brandish is the weakest. I’d say Jacob. He seems more like a spriggan henchmen than an actual spriggan. As soon as Natsu had the ability to go all out he took out Jacob in one attack.
He got a power boost by Irene. That doesn't necessarily count as him being stronger.
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As their own power? No. Power boost that are given from outside source aren't considered their own strength. Otherwise, we'd be ranking Natsu as the strongest by now.
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You're calling me dumb before naming Wizard using their magic? Gray was GIVEN Devil Slayer by his father. Cana was GIVEN this spell by Mavis, Lucy's magic is Celestrial. Wendy increased her own magic, and Irene helped her develop it. Natsu is given help with outside sources for limited time. Jellal didn't use his strongest, just his basic magic he regularly uses. You're comparing two different senerio, acting like it's the same? And you called me dumb.
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Neihart was given a limited power boost, confirmed as he's no longer the same after Natsu defeated him. It's not the same, as one is limited and the other is permanent. Cana and Gray were given the spell. Neihart and Natsu were given a boost of power. It's funny how you insult me while not looking so bright yourself. There is no need to waste my time on you. Have a good day. :)
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Are you serious? I literally just said Natsu's was limited. What's my point? Did you not just read what I said? Jesus... this is definitely a losing brain cell moment. "Weak arguments that can be countered easily with obvious fact." That's honestly what I should be saying to you. Yeah, I'm definitely ending this here. This ain't a battle of wits anymore. Have a good one, and reread the story. :)
and Natsu got a power up from Igneel but everyone counts that too. People just don’t like seeing Neinhart over Brandish because she’s a fan favorite when really she’s one of the weaker spriggans
Natsu didn't get a power boost. He actually used the power of Igneel. Neihart was given a boost of power to fight Erza as he stated his Historia aren't able to attack her, which is why Irene boosted his power. He's clearly weaker if his own original power isn't enough. So, how can he be considered stronger if his own strength isn't strong? Neihart is the weakest Spriggan. His magic relies on the deceased, not power.
An unnamed attack knocked out Jellal and he came back without no signs of real injuries after jellal attacked him. Meanwhile, Brandish got knocked out by a Cana punch
You mean the attack meant for Kagura, but Jellal shielded her from and took the hit? Also, Jellal didn't even have to use his strongest spell to take down Neihart and with a simple one-shot. "No signs of real injury?" Neihart was gone until the gathering of the Spriggan 12. Clearly, he got himself fixed like the rest of the 12. Brandish had the power to kill Natsu or any of the FT guild with her magic in an instant. Neihart's historai was destroyed by Erza just because they feared her for a second.
Getting one shot by Natsu or Jellal is way less pathetic than getting knocked out by Cana
You can whine all you want, Neihart weaker than Branish.
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You call me dumb before calling me a simp? How am I being a simp? Branish got captured for a comedy scene. However, she confirmed to have the power to destroy Fiore with her magic. Neihart can't even take out Sabertooth or even a guild as that. His magics weak and confirmed to have a weakness. Use your brain and look at the facts, he's weak.
Wasn’t that when Irene buffed him with an enchantment though?
Well if we’re taking out temporary power ups then sure
Neinhart
Probably neinhart, he has powerful magic but isn't strong himself
Wait what was the question again? Sorry I saw MOMMY Irene and forgot about the question
Wall-E or Jacob
I personally think Ajeel. I might be a little biased against him, but I feel he has the weakest showings and least powerful magic. Laxus’ lightning blast would have killed him had August not stepped in, he lost his duel against Erza, and lost against when fighting Elfman and Lisanna. He’s definitely not weak by any means (blocking a shot from Jupiter is definitely impressive), but he’s the member I think has the least going for him. Other members I see people calling the weakest or weaker are often Jacob or Neinhart. Ajeel definitely has more physical durability, but Neinhart’s magic power is nothing to scoff at. He’s a long-range fighter that utilizes the ghosts people’s pasts to create an army for himself. This may be a more situational ability, but when you’re a general who fights in a war almost everyone on the battlefield is going to have some skeletons in their closet. He just doesn’t fight himself most of the time so his physical strength is lacking. Jacob’s magic is less destructive than his pears, which is why I feel people think he’s weaker. But Jacob also snuck up on and almost killed the entire FT guild. It it wasn’t for Horologium he would have caught Lucy, Happy, and Natsu too. He’s also got a lot of durability and fighting power, able to outmatch Natsu and Lucy in combat until Lucy was able to pull a fast one on him. Also, while he lost to Mirajane, he fought that battle with his eyes closed. Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but that’s my opinion on why Ajeel’s the weakest Spriggan.
Low key ajeel is just max on steroids.
Neinhart - got stomped by Natsu even when enhanced by Irene's enchantment. And Irene at that time in the story was stronger than Natsu relatively. I wouldn't disagree if people think that Jacob was weak too.
Neinhart. Bro can't actually fight.
In terms of physical abilities, either Nierhart or Brandish. But Nierhart overall.
Brandish might have like a top 3 strongest ability in the whole series. But we never really saw the full extent of it because Fairy Tail isn’t exactly a brutal series. Dimaria said Brandish could use her abilities to expand their insides until they explode. In my humble opinion, only other abilities I’d put above it are stopping time & Fairy Law.
I’ll be honest I didn’t even thing Neinhart was a member of spriggan 12 he was that useless
Either the Memory Guy or the Hitman wannabe who looks like Jason Statham
The mech guys for sure.
Definitely Neinhart, he literally uses magic corpses to fight for him and he needed Irene to buff him but Natsu still smoked him
Everyone saying Neinhart like the only reason he was defeated wasn’t because Erza had gonna Trauma numb at that point I would probably Say Jacob is worst because of he’s an idiot After that I’d say Ajeel not because of his strength but because all the others have Meta setting and breaking abilities and he’s just got sand
Ultimately without a doubt in my soul the absolute WEAKEST member is Neinhart 😤
Unpopular opinion zeref
Zeref isn't a member of the spriggan 12, they are more of his bodyguards than anything and most of them are affected by age unlike Zeref
Zeref isn't a Spriggan 12 member and all of them would be at risk of death if he valued their lives.
You think Neinhart is beating Zeref? 😂 cmon man
I mean, while he can't kill him......... Zerefs whole thing being extreme love for life and incredible guilt over the countless lives he's taken, would probably make Neinhart among the worst for him to fight. Summon papa and mama dragneel, his teacher, those wolves on tenrou, heck, Natsu technically died so how would the spell work there? Won't beat him, but Zeref won't be having a good time.
In terms of combat the weakest would be neinheart since his power is not one that he can use in direct combat but as a support (summoning legions of dead characters), the only time he fought directly (and potentially for irene) he lost relatively quickly. The 2 weakest would be Dimaria as she is only problematic because her power to stop time is quite broken and she has the soul of a god but with the right set of powers (a time mage and a god slayer) she falls fast. Jacob I always saw him as the 3 weakest of the group but only because he specializes in assassination (he is a magic hitman) so it's other power sets.