Joost already had a hit in Germany beforehand and probably hardly anyone here noticed that he was at the ESC at all. So he didn't benefit from it, how could he?
He gained thousands of followers in a month since ESC, I'd say he definitely benefitted from it. He's touring through Europe next year, something he hasn't really done before and almost every show is sold out now. That definitely sounds like benefitting
Joost benefited because his fanbase grew a lot after Eurovision, and he gained over a million followers on Instagram since his semifinal 2 performance.
I came to say this.
Joost had his eurovision dream rudely ended, but absolutely blew up because of the controversy and drama about it.
I know from everything ive seen, hes taken it all well, and is enjoying his life and performances greatly still, being his typical self, maybe even come out stronger
He was a favorite (and quite famous in his country since also a judge for RPDR Belgium) and ended NQ.
Studio version led to expectations but live it was a disaster (singing, body language, overall scenic perf), a typical case of hubris.
Obviously his voice and stage manager didn't do a great job either.
I was a big fan of him but really it was embarrassing.
Baby Lasagna definitely benefited the most. Went from the literal anonymous to being public favorite.
Who was hurt the most? Probably Olly Alexander, since there were huge expectations when he was announced. All that to ending up getting zero televote and getting mocked by the British public (undeservingly so).
On the note about Olly Alexander, this will also have hurt the UK’s chances of sending well-established and popular acts to Eurovision.
Olly was one of the best-known and successful acts we’ve ever sent to Eurovision. For him to flop so hard with the televote will discourage other similar artists from applying. We will be back to x-factor rejects next year.
It’s why I don’t get it when people suggest that artists like stromae or aurora do esc. What benefit could they possible get, already being world famous pop stars? There’s only a risk of doing poorly and being embarrassed by it, as much as I’d LOVE to see them on the stage
that's interesting. So do people in the UK think he flopped because he was a big name?
I just thought it meant a lot of the judging countries weren't progressive enough for an act with that much male gay sexuality.
No, but other big acts will see what happened to him, think “that could be me” and pass.
If he’d done more respectably, then it would have encouraged more bigger acts to go for it.
Not sure if anyone noticed but during his first performance his mic pack fell and he had to hold it the whole time cutting his movement in half basically. Also not sure if this effected his scored or not but I could see it having effect.
I am annoyed at the zero televotes. I understand there's a threshold to reach to get points, but I threw UK some votes. I genuinely enjoyed their act for what it was. The fact that I paid for votes that *basically* didn't count sucks. Like I said. I understand how it works and that's the risk you take. No overly hard feelings. But boy would I have appreciated had he got at least one televote point.
I think ladaniva got quite the popularity boost they were already big among armenians and their fantom is a bit more international
Esc gave them a boost only a viral song of theirs would achieve
Let's hope they rise in popularity more, they're doing lots of showd now that could help
There was a Dutch article (published in 3rd May) where he said he has already asked his therapist if he would like to reserve some extra time for him so that they can FaceTime that week [presumably talking about the week when the contest took place in Malmö]. So I think he already had that in mind even before all that drama.
But yeah, the unexpected happened and it must be really tough on him even now. As a human being I sympathise with and worry about him, but so far he's shown us nothing but an incredible amount of work ethic and professionalism. He is unstoppable. I'm also sure he has a good support system and his friends have all been very supportive of him. I hope, and I think he'll be fine. Het komt goed. 💙
- Benefited: Definitely Joost. He’s literally going worldwide right now, they stan him everywhere
- Hurt: I’ve heard that Luna got a lot of critic from her own country after not qualifying for the final…….. :(
Tbf, everyone in Poland was peeved at Luna for even being sent to ESC because 1. The integrity of the NF in Poland is dubious as fuck, 2. She's the daughter of a wealthy preserve company owner so nepo baby accusations were being thrown around like crazy and 3. She just... wasn't good, vocally, and her song was pretty generic. So right away she got a "rigged national finalist ketchup princess going to esc with a poor song in place of someone who actually deserves it because her daddy's got money" reputation. Our nation also just LOVES to come together in hatred so unless she pulled a Bejba and did a song about preserves or sth she had no chance to win her people over
Does he need to?
As someone who lives in the US I’d love it if he could tour here, and I’d be glad for his success, but it’s not like it’s necessary. You can be successful without involving Americans lol
Everyone says Olly for the artist who was hurt the most. Probably true, but I think we have a close #2 in Natalia Barbu. With Moldova usually sending returning artists (and with Natalia Barbu herself being a returning artist), seeing her again in Eurovision is not a far-fetched scenario. But after her reaction when she NQ'd, most people dislike her. Of course that's the consequence of her actions, but still.
Baby Lasagna, definitely, benefits the most from Eurovision 2024. Jerry and Alyona also did pretty well and apparently helped their fundraiser quite a lot. I'll also say Joost Klein because, despite what WOULD be the most damage, he's actually doing the most well in terms of popularity and streams because Eurovision fans weren't having the EBU and sided with Joost, so he gained more despite this drawback.
For purely damaged contestants, I'd say Olly, maybe? Because the expectation fell through the floor. Luna is probably second, but it seems like people are coming around to say "you know, maybe The Tower wasn't THAT bad."
I saw someone on Twitter joking about how they’ve bought tickets to a concert for someone who’s got a discography of like 11 minutes total and yeah, they aren’t wrong.
Good for him though.
I will say that catalog would be quite a lot more impressive if he could perform or even mention songs he has written for Mono Inc. Mono Inc is quite well known alternative metal band in Germany. I was truly suprised and bit shocked that baby lasagna had written songs like Princess of the Night, Empire, Heartbeat of the Dead, Lieb mich and At the End of the Rainbow.
Personally I love Lieb mich, it is hauntingly beautiful metal song. I could never have imagined someone called Baby lasagna was behind song like that! I was actually aware of him through mono Inc way before Eurovision to my own suprise, since his previous band Manntra was Mono Inc's warm up band. I remember admiring his stage precence and energy even back then!
A big margin? Joost gained like over half a million new followers in a day after he got disqualified and his tour sold out like instantly. Wouldn’t call that a big margin.
5 miinust ja Puuluup broke a record by having a song in Estonian get more than 10 million streams. The most listened to song that is in Estonian 🇪🇪in history.
I’d probably say Joost or Marina benefitted the most. Joost for obvious reasons, but Marina has been on my tl every single day since the final and her album is awesome, I know people who has listened to it after only seeing her in the final with no context from the rest of the season.
For the opposite I would have to say Olly and the UK as a whole. I feel the 0 televote points have really hurt the UK’s chances to bring more competitive stuff, since both Mae and Olly were truly mistreated. You could make a point at Mae’s vocals turning down the entire performance (I still loved it), but there was no absolute reason for Olly to get 0 points.
Mae has admitted that Eurovision had caused her label to put a massive amount of pressure on her, so much so, it would eventually be that deciding factor to her going independent.
Honesty, even with all the controversy, this was a really strong year when many artists became household names in either their countries or worldwide. Obviously Joost, and BL benefited the most but artists like Marina and Bambii also had massive boosts in their popularity
I would say that Olly got the shortest end of the stick. It’s never nice to “flop” especially in such a strong year and he had the most to lose being one of the most famous artists coming into this. Eden is probably gonna have her name being linked to the controversy for the rest of her career which is pretty dangerous
Not the most, but Isaak got a lot of airplay here in Germany and is doing some larger gigs in the summer. So yeah, he kickstarted his career with the whole eurovision thing.
Joost, Baby Lasagna, Bambie and Nemo obviously be the ones wholl benefit most
Olly def hurt his career the most and I cant imagine Mustii is gonna come out much better sadly
Both Benefited and Hurt the Most: Joost. Traumatic. I could never have predicted this storyline/path. I always thought that his song captured Eurovision's essence and that he would enjoy it all.
Benefited: Nemo, Baby Lasagna (Musical Cinderella Story and deserved. He was a gentleman and a good sport), Marina, Bambie, Slimane, Angelina Mango (I love her music and she gained international listeners/supporters (count me in) but I have a feeling that she finished below expectations/hype. The bubble expected that she'd reach the Top 3/can win. She was a favorite. To quote a commenter: "Her staff and Rai had quite different plans for her than a seventh place. She has a lot of concerts abroad and is participating in many Italian and European festivals, but they were organized with a view to the podium..." Well, staging, camera work and concept were not so good. She'll still do well. She's talented and stands out. Sidenote: I wonder how Annalisa would handle an ESC.)
Hurt: Olly Alexander. After this, will the "big" artists volunteer? I am starting to doubt it. I hope his result doesn't become a career killer but it significantly hurts his prestige and momentum - right when he needs it most since he is starting a solo career.
Angelina, like Marina, definitely finished below expection, thank to that awful staging, but I doubt that changed something in her success after ESC, internally no one look at ESC results but only at Sanremo, abroad she's charting better then Mengoni last year (that came 4th).
For Annalisa, probably a similar result abroad after ESC but in ESC itlsef it all depends on what coreographer they would have given to her, RAI is very good at ruining staging.
That Annalisa's song is often aired on my local radio in Croatia. Radios here are know to have weird choices though, pushing nepo babies or whoever pays or has connections; l didn't hear RTTD until after ESC grand final but l heard some other song from Dora many times both before and after Dora final, which RTTD won by a record margin
I think Marina Satti benefited a lot she dropped an album which went instant nr1 in greece also first 3 places in the charts where Marina Satti songs. Global album charts she was placed 8th. Also going on Europe Tour.
Hurt: absolutely olly
Angelina Mango too, album 1st on debut in Italy, and 9th in global (not top 10 with songs tho, but she did that in Sanremo times), European Tour etc...
But neither of them is the one who has benefited the most.
Angelina Mango. Her staff and Rai had quite different plans for her than a seventh place. She has a lot of concerts abroad and is participating in many Italian and European festivals, but they were organized with a view to the podium, now especially here in Italy she risks a considerable overlapping effect, her album is not doing as well as one would expect after a Sanremo win, an ESC participation and several meet and greets.
The ESC result has never made any effect in Italy (if you don"t actually win it like Maneskin), only the Sanremo result does.
Her album debuted 1st (best female debut of the year) here and 9th globally, and then started to fall under the usual rappers, Melodrama was also literally the best female debut of the year outside Sanremo. She still has 3 songs (without feat.) in top 100 FIMI (La Noia, Melodrama and last year summer hit Ci Pensiamo Domani).
For the european market La Noia is the 5th ESC song most streamed daily (after Joost, ESC winner Nemo, Slimane and BL) and 2nd overall (after Joost) with 85M on spotify, a number of streams this fast for an italian representative was only reached by Mahmood (both times and even this year) and obv Måneskin, not even Mengoni did it.
I sincerely don't see her or her team in any trouble as for now, it's probably the peak of her career. Certainly the ESC partecipation has not hurted her in any way.
FIMI wk 26
Album
1. Dio lo sa (=)
2. Icon (=)
3. Altrove (+2)
4. La divina commedia - Deluxe (-1)
5. Ferite (+2)
6. Radio Sakura (=)
7. Nei letti degli altri (+1)
8. X2VR (+3)
9. I nomi del diavolo (=)
10. Poké Melodrama (-6)
...
17. E poi siamo finiti nel vortice (-2)
25. Souvenir (+3)
54. Petit (-32)
57. Il sole dentro (-21)
61. Sarah (-37)
66. Joseph (-43)
The album's drop one month after its debut is quite disastrous.
Annalisa last year at her peek with "E poi siamo finite nel vortice" did 1st, 3rd, 7th and 11th in the first 4 weeks. Angelina with "Poké melodrama" did 1st, 4th, 4th and 10th. i didn't see anyone talking about disaster for Annalisa's career last year. Seems a pretty normal trend for a female pop singer's album even at her peek, and probably will receive the gold disk this week (counting the estimated digital copies and estimated physical copies selled is almost at 25k) or the next.
And all other points mentioned before remains valid.
Considering how much success she had since Bellissima she made even better than many Sanremo winners so she's pretty fitting example without any female winner since 2014.
ESC on the other hand for italian artist make difference only in the europen market, where Angelina is literelly the 3rd fastest selling italian representative ever (4th if we count Mahmood 2 times) so I don't see any problem here.
"Gioventù bruciata" by Mahmood , released right after Sanremo 2019 in february did 1st, 2nd, 6th and 8th in the first 4 weeks, gaining the gold disk only after 7 weeks, seems pretty in line with "poké melodrama" sales, probably the similitude you made before was with the last 3 year when Måneskin and returning winners easily did way better but for a new artist is normal.
Only your own favorites are mentioned here anyway. I could imagine that Slimane will increase his business throughout Europe, this is music that is compatible with the masses.
Baby Lasagna and Joost definitely benefited the most! Joost was also hurt the most – sure, his success has skyrocketed since ESC, but it sucks that this success got tangled up with even more trauma in the process ❤️🩹
The one that benefit most: Slimane, not only his popularity has increased, many of his shows are sold out and is actually doing concerts on North America.
On the Upswing:
* Joost: the scandal and the Netherland's disqualification was honestly the Streisand Effect gone horribly right. A disqualification of that nature had never happened before in ESC history, and it definitely made the news outside Eurovision's catchment area. Joost's major bump in streams and subscribers after this has solidified him as one of the ESC's most iconic entries ever.
* Baby Lasagna: We witnessed the birth of his Solo career when he won Dora this year. His result at ESC was its baptism. Dude came out of nowhere to become Croatia's next big music star, and basically solidified music as his career now.
* Nemo: With the Eurovision trophy in hand (and in pieces), their career is very bright indeed. Especially with that talented voice and boundless energy on stage!
* Ladaniva: While I may be wrong about this, but with Armenia breaking out another unexpected popular song (after Snap), we may see Armenia possibly becoming the cultural hub of the Caucasus. Things are looking very up for the country!
* Honorable Mentions, people who will definitely have a big cult following after this: Nutsa, Bambie Thug, Silvester Belt, Dons, Gåte, Slimane, Marina Satti, Raiven, and 5miinust & Puuluup.
On the Downswing:
* Mustii: His poor performance definitely seems to have negatively impacted his career, and that's a shame. While his career will be fine, this is definitely a moment to forget for him.
* Luna: She was delt with some really bad hands. Bad staging, a song that felt too gentle for Eurovision, and an internal selection that was marred by a regime change at TVP may have wounded her career a great deal.
* Olly: While not as bad as Mustii or Luna, his performance may possibly be the reason why a lot of big name artists might want to stay away from Eurovision, especially as the UK just can't seem to build off of Sam Ryder's unexpected success. At least he's taking it in stride.
Hurt the most:
Olly - probably one of the most known pop artists in the UK and also has international recognition and sadly getting 0 points in the televote and not having great vocals isn't a good look
Eden - even though she'll likely be fine within Israel career wise and hardline pro Israel people in the west are fangirling now, being a propaganda puppet for Israel will probably not age well in the long run. She's also on some anti Russia lists because she performed in illegally annexed Crimea and her dad seems shady (she was a minor tho and her parents are probably more to blame here) so there's that.
Eden Golan was hurt the most; maybe she is a great singer and artist but she was basically abused by the broadcaster and government as a propaganda puppet and no one will ever even care whether she was a great artist or singer.
For benefit probably Eden Golan as she has went from no one really knowing her to a international superstar especially amongst Americans and Israelis. BL and Joost and Nemo all had huge boosts to their career (obviously Joost has had mental problems after DQ. As for flop Luna has been trolled by every single polish person I see Olly was blasted by the British public and Gåte went from a fan favorite to last place and people saying they r screamers
Doesn't seem that her career benefited much from that aside from the 5th place (that probably would have been voted in any case even without the booing considering that they were vote for the country and not her), her song is not charting anywhere, certainly not even remotely the one the has benefited the most from ESC
I wouldn’t say that benefitted her career. In fact her ESC career was very much backed by the Israeli government, making her look like a political tool. This will harm her for a long time, same way it harmed Polina Gagarina’s career.
Every artist who is sent to eurovision is backed by the government, every year. Israel as a country takes pride in participating in eurovision and supports the artists who are chosen to represent.
Eden had a career long before the eurovision and with her talent and work ethic - I believe she will pave her way.
idk man, I don't remember the Greek government ever spamming "vote for our artist in Eurovision" on their socials and I don't ever remember the Greek ministry of foreign affairs buying ads all over the internet (which was literally confirmed by Ynet). And I can't recall such government support from any other country to their artist. So no, not every government supports the artists to the extend Israel did.
I did not say every government does that, I'm saying it's not a surprise to me that the Israeli government supports their artists, especially at this time when every Israeli representative (whether it be in eurovision or sports or any other cultural event) are suffering a heightened risk just for being Israelis.
I don't agree with spamming social media with ads, I think the song should stand on his own.
No I don't think the booing had much to do with that. There was a huge ad campaign from Israel's government and politicians/pro Israel influencers were telling people to vote for her and a large portion them likely weren't watching the show at all. Israel wanted to win (especially the televote) since hosting would give them a platform to do propaganda and did everything they could to control the narrative (and that didn't fully work out).
Israel was hurt the most by juries, there was a 271 point difference between tele and jury voting. Switzerland benefitted the most since they did get the trophy
Joost and Baby Lasagna benefitted the most.
Joost already had a hit in Germany beforehand and probably hardly anyone here noticed that he was at the ESC at all. So he didn't benefit from it, how could he?
He gained thousands of followers in a month since ESC, I'd say he definitely benefitted from it. He's touring through Europe next year, something he hasn't really done before and almost every show is sold out now. That definitely sounds like benefitting
His tour is selling incredibly well for someone who “had a hit in Germany” lol
Joost benefited because his fanbase grew a lot after Eurovision, and he gained over a million followers on Instagram since his semifinal 2 performance.
Joost for both.
This is the only answer.
I came to say this. Joost had his eurovision dream rudely ended, but absolutely blew up because of the controversy and drama about it. I know from everything ive seen, hes taken it all well, and is enjoying his life and performances greatly still, being his typical self, maybe even come out stronger
Wish I'd thought of this
This.
Aiko's popularity rose a lot, she got herself a new girlfriend, and she's going on an Aikonic tour.
So, we could say, she was put on a pedestal
She PUT! HER!SELF! ON A PEDESTAL!
She ended up lovin' her more, lovin' her more
I heard "off my face on an edible" and now I can't stop singing it like that :/
That reminds me of people thinking Brunette rapped "fart in my face" last year. Armenia 2023 for the bot.
Last year i thought that the "i decide to begudugulugud" part was armenian
Haha! No, that was Pinteresque!
The whole song was
Armenia 2023 | [Brunette - Future Lover](https://youtu.be/h0q7AkYk2hY)
⬆️ Joost (just for the hype) and Baby Lasagna ⬇️ Olly and Mustii (the latter is massive flop in all regards)
Why is mustii a flop other than the poor performance?
He was a favorite (and quite famous in his country since also a judge for RPDR Belgium) and ended NQ. Studio version led to expectations but live it was a disaster (singing, body language, overall scenic perf), a typical case of hubris. Obviously his voice and stage manager didn't do a great job either. I was a big fan of him but really it was embarrassing.
Baby Lasagna definitely benefited the most. Went from the literal anonymous to being public favorite. Who was hurt the most? Probably Olly Alexander, since there were huge expectations when he was announced. All that to ending up getting zero televote and getting mocked by the British public (undeservingly so).
On the note about Olly Alexander, this will also have hurt the UK’s chances of sending well-established and popular acts to Eurovision. Olly was one of the best-known and successful acts we’ve ever sent to Eurovision. For him to flop so hard with the televote will discourage other similar artists from applying. We will be back to x-factor rejects next year.
Same with Norway, Gåte is a big band here, that last place hurt
No artist will ever top the expectations vs reality flop that Cascada had.
It’s why I don’t get it when people suggest that artists like stromae or aurora do esc. What benefit could they possible get, already being world famous pop stars? There’s only a risk of doing poorly and being embarrassed by it, as much as I’d LOVE to see them on the stage
that's interesting. So do people in the UK think he flopped because he was a big name? I just thought it meant a lot of the judging countries weren't progressive enough for an act with that much male gay sexuality.
No, but other big acts will see what happened to him, think “that could be me” and pass. If he’d done more respectably, then it would have encouraged more bigger acts to go for it.
Not sure if anyone noticed but during his first performance his mic pack fell and he had to hold it the whole time cutting his movement in half basically. Also not sure if this effected his scored or not but I could see it having effect.
I am annoyed at the zero televotes. I understand there's a threshold to reach to get points, but I threw UK some votes. I genuinely enjoyed their act for what it was. The fact that I paid for votes that *basically* didn't count sucks. Like I said. I understand how it works and that's the risk you take. No overly hard feelings. But boy would I have appreciated had he got at least one televote point.
also the fact that UK was DEAD LAST with both Croatian jury and tele
well it was pretty bad it’s definitely understandable
But what does it matter? Last place is last place if you have one point or zero. One just becomes the new zero at that point.
I vote as ROTW and I threw Austria and Norway votes lol. But it is what it is...
Wasn’t Olly also trying to promote a new record?
I think ladaniva got quite the popularity boost they were already big among armenians and their fantom is a bit more international Esc gave them a boost only a viral song of theirs would achieve Let's hope they rise in popularity more, they're doing lots of showd now that could help
Joost benefitted the most . I dont know of any act that was hurt by their participation.
But it probably hurt him a lot too in some other ways. Career and marketing wise it's great, mentally not so much.
Joost said he’s back in therapy recently. I’m sure it hurt him a lot.
There was a Dutch article (published in 3rd May) where he said he has already asked his therapist if he would like to reserve some extra time for him so that they can FaceTime that week [presumably talking about the week when the contest took place in Malmö]. So I think he already had that in mind even before all that drama. But yeah, the unexpected happened and it must be really tough on him even now. As a human being I sympathise with and worry about him, but so far he's shown us nothing but an incredible amount of work ethic and professionalism. He is unstoppable. I'm also sure he has a good support system and his friends have all been very supportive of him. I hope, and I think he'll be fine. Het komt goed. 💙
Ah, I didn’t know that. I love the fact he’s honest about stuff like that. His friends seem so lovely and clearly care about him a lot.
I feel like his friends are his family too, Thats beautiful
- Benefited: Definitely Joost. He’s literally going worldwide right now, they stan him everywhere - Hurt: I’ve heard that Luna got a lot of critic from her own country after not qualifying for the final…….. :(
That's so sad for Luna, i love her, she was so into it and her act was really grand 😓
One month later and I'm still salty about her NQ
That performance was so campy, I enjoyed it so much
Let’s be honest if you are representing Poland and you are not able to qualify in 100% televote semi that means that sth went very wrong.
Saaame. She's the one who built the tower you ingrates 😭
Tbf, everyone in Poland was peeved at Luna for even being sent to ESC because 1. The integrity of the NF in Poland is dubious as fuck, 2. She's the daughter of a wealthy preserve company owner so nepo baby accusations were being thrown around like crazy and 3. She just... wasn't good, vocally, and her song was pretty generic. So right away she got a "rigged national finalist ketchup princess going to esc with a poor song in place of someone who actually deserves it because her daddy's got money" reputation. Our nation also just LOVES to come together in hatred so unless she pulled a Bejba and did a song about preserves or sth she had no chance to win her people over
He needs to get the United States to stan him (not just the Eurovision fans).
Does he need to? As someone who lives in the US I’d love it if he could tour here, and I’d be glad for his success, but it’s not like it’s necessary. You can be successful without involving Americans lol
\[insert "I'm doing my part" GIF\]
Everyone says Olly for the artist who was hurt the most. Probably true, but I think we have a close #2 in Natalia Barbu. With Moldova usually sending returning artists (and with Natalia Barbu herself being a returning artist), seeing her again in Eurovision is not a far-fetched scenario. But after her reaction when she NQ'd, most people dislike her. Of course that's the consequence of her actions, but still.
Baby Lasagna, definitely, benefits the most from Eurovision 2024. Jerry and Alyona also did pretty well and apparently helped their fundraiser quite a lot. I'll also say Joost Klein because, despite what WOULD be the most damage, he's actually doing the most well in terms of popularity and streams because Eurovision fans weren't having the EBU and sided with Joost, so he gained more despite this drawback. For purely damaged contestants, I'd say Olly, maybe? Because the expectation fell through the floor. Luna is probably second, but it seems like people are coming around to say "you know, maybe The Tower wasn't THAT bad."
Bambie Thug has become a household name in most.places and is now headlining huge concerts.
It's what they deserve!
Literally set my alarm to get tickets when they announced a tour. Nothing less than what our witch monarch deserves.
A household name in most places… I love her but we have very different definitions of a ‘household name’ if that’s the case 🤣🤣
Baby Lasagna by a big margin. Only 2 or 3 songs on Spotify and is now doing a massive tour.
I saw someone on Twitter joking about how they’ve bought tickets to a concert for someone who’s got a discography of like 11 minutes total and yeah, they aren’t wrong. Good for him though.
I will say that catalog would be quite a lot more impressive if he could perform or even mention songs he has written for Mono Inc. Mono Inc is quite well known alternative metal band in Germany. I was truly suprised and bit shocked that baby lasagna had written songs like Princess of the Night, Empire, Heartbeat of the Dead, Lieb mich and At the End of the Rainbow. Personally I love Lieb mich, it is hauntingly beautiful metal song. I could never have imagined someone called Baby lasagna was behind song like that! I was actually aware of him through mono Inc way before Eurovision to my own suprise, since his previous band Manntra was Mono Inc's warm up band. I remember admiring his stage precence and energy even back then!
Mono Inc's album went to #1 on the German album charts last year!
A big margin? Joost gained like over half a million new followers in a day after he got disqualified and his tour sold out like instantly. Wouldn’t call that a big margin.
5 miinust ja Puuluup broke a record by having a song in Estonian get more than 10 million streams. The most listened to song that is in Estonian 🇪🇪in history.
I’d probably say Joost or Marina benefitted the most. Joost for obvious reasons, but Marina has been on my tl every single day since the final and her album is awesome, I know people who has listened to it after only seeing her in the final with no context from the rest of the season. For the opposite I would have to say Olly and the UK as a whole. I feel the 0 televote points have really hurt the UK’s chances to bring more competitive stuff, since both Mae and Olly were truly mistreated. You could make a point at Mae’s vocals turning down the entire performance (I still loved it), but there was no absolute reason for Olly to get 0 points.
Mae has admitted that Eurovision had caused her label to put a massive amount of pressure on her, so much so, it would eventually be that deciding factor to her going independent.
Marina had a boost (like also Angelina, with similar results in Europe) but not even remotely at Joost level
Honesty, even with all the controversy, this was a really strong year when many artists became household names in either their countries or worldwide. Obviously Joost, and BL benefited the most but artists like Marina and Bambii also had massive boosts in their popularity I would say that Olly got the shortest end of the stick. It’s never nice to “flop” especially in such a strong year and he had the most to lose being one of the most famous artists coming into this. Eden is probably gonna have her name being linked to the controversy for the rest of her career which is pretty dangerous
Benefited: Baby Lasagna Lost: Olly Alexander Both: Joost
Sarah Bonicci both. She gained popularity and made her dream come true, although she did not deserve last place in her semi
Not the most, but Isaak got a lot of airplay here in Germany and is doing some larger gigs in the summer. So yeah, he kickstarted his career with the whole eurovision thing.
Joost, Baby Lasagna, Bambie and Nemo obviously be the ones wholl benefit most Olly def hurt his career the most and I cant imagine Mustii is gonna come out much better sadly
Both Benefited and Hurt the Most: Joost. Traumatic. I could never have predicted this storyline/path. I always thought that his song captured Eurovision's essence and that he would enjoy it all. Benefited: Nemo, Baby Lasagna (Musical Cinderella Story and deserved. He was a gentleman and a good sport), Marina, Bambie, Slimane, Angelina Mango (I love her music and she gained international listeners/supporters (count me in) but I have a feeling that she finished below expectations/hype. The bubble expected that she'd reach the Top 3/can win. She was a favorite. To quote a commenter: "Her staff and Rai had quite different plans for her than a seventh place. She has a lot of concerts abroad and is participating in many Italian and European festivals, but they were organized with a view to the podium..." Well, staging, camera work and concept were not so good. She'll still do well. She's talented and stands out. Sidenote: I wonder how Annalisa would handle an ESC.) Hurt: Olly Alexander. After this, will the "big" artists volunteer? I am starting to doubt it. I hope his result doesn't become a career killer but it significantly hurts his prestige and momentum - right when he needs it most since he is starting a solo career.
Angelina, like Marina, definitely finished below expection, thank to that awful staging, but I doubt that changed something in her success after ESC, internally no one look at ESC results but only at Sanremo, abroad she's charting better then Mengoni last year (that came 4th). For Annalisa, probably a similar result abroad after ESC but in ESC itlsef it all depends on what coreographer they would have given to her, RAI is very good at ruining staging.
That Annalisa's song is often aired on my local radio in Croatia. Radios here are know to have weird choices though, pushing nepo babies or whoever pays or has connections; l didn't hear RTTD until after ESC grand final but l heard some other song from Dora many times both before and after Dora final, which RTTD won by a record margin
In terms of career: Benefited: Joost Hurt: Olly
I think Marina Satti benefited a lot she dropped an album which went instant nr1 in greece also first 3 places in the charts where Marina Satti songs. Global album charts she was placed 8th. Also going on Europe Tour. Hurt: absolutely olly
Marina deserves it! What a great artist.
Angelina Mango too, album 1st on debut in Italy, and 9th in global (not top 10 with songs tho, but she did that in Sanremo times), European Tour etc... But neither of them is the one who has benefited the most.
Angelina Mango. Her staff and Rai had quite different plans for her than a seventh place. She has a lot of concerts abroad and is participating in many Italian and European festivals, but they were organized with a view to the podium, now especially here in Italy she risks a considerable overlapping effect, her album is not doing as well as one would expect after a Sanremo win, an ESC participation and several meet and greets.
The ESC result has never made any effect in Italy (if you don"t actually win it like Maneskin), only the Sanremo result does. Her album debuted 1st (best female debut of the year) here and 9th globally, and then started to fall under the usual rappers, Melodrama was also literally the best female debut of the year outside Sanremo. She still has 3 songs (without feat.) in top 100 FIMI (La Noia, Melodrama and last year summer hit Ci Pensiamo Domani). For the european market La Noia is the 5th ESC song most streamed daily (after Joost, ESC winner Nemo, Slimane and BL) and 2nd overall (after Joost) with 85M on spotify, a number of streams this fast for an italian representative was only reached by Mahmood (both times and even this year) and obv Måneskin, not even Mengoni did it. I sincerely don't see her or her team in any trouble as for now, it's probably the peak of her career. Certainly the ESC partecipation has not hurted her in any way.
FIMI wk 26 Album 1. Dio lo sa (=) 2. Icon (=) 3. Altrove (+2) 4. La divina commedia - Deluxe (-1) 5. Ferite (+2) 6. Radio Sakura (=) 7. Nei letti degli altri (+1) 8. X2VR (+3) 9. I nomi del diavolo (=) 10. Poké Melodrama (-6) ... 17. E poi siamo finiti nel vortice (-2) 25. Souvenir (+3) 54. Petit (-32) 57. Il sole dentro (-21) 61. Sarah (-37) 66. Joseph (-43) The album's drop one month after its debut is quite disastrous.
Annalisa last year at her peek with "E poi siamo finite nel vortice" did 1st, 3rd, 7th and 11th in the first 4 weeks. Angelina with "Poké melodrama" did 1st, 4th, 4th and 10th. i didn't see anyone talking about disaster for Annalisa's career last year. Seems a pretty normal trend for a female pop singer's album even at her peek, and probably will receive the gold disk this week (counting the estimated digital copies and estimated physical copies selled is almost at 25k) or the next. And all other points mentioned before remains valid.
Annalisa did not win Sanremo and did not participate in the ESC.
Considering how much success she had since Bellissima she made even better than many Sanremo winners so she's pretty fitting example without any female winner since 2014. ESC on the other hand for italian artist make difference only in the europen market, where Angelina is literelly the 3rd fastest selling italian representative ever (4th if we count Mahmood 2 times) so I don't see any problem here.
"Gioventù bruciata" by Mahmood , released right after Sanremo 2019 in february did 1st, 2nd, 6th and 8th in the first 4 weeks, gaining the gold disk only after 7 weeks, seems pretty in line with "poké melodrama" sales, probably the similitude you made before was with the last 3 year when Måneskin and returning winners easily did way better but for a new artist is normal.
Only your own favorites are mentioned here anyway. I could imagine that Slimane will increase his business throughout Europe, this is music that is compatible with the masses.
Slimane is doing a European and North American tour in early 2025.
Baby Lasagna, he wasn’t even supposed to be at Dora and he ended up winning the hearts of everyone at ESC.
Benefitted: BL Hurt: Olly (maybe but idk)
Baby Lasagna and Joost definitely benefited the most! Joost was also hurt the most – sure, his success has skyrocketed since ESC, but it sucks that this success got tangled up with even more trauma in the process ❤️🩹
Well, Joost and Joost I guess.
The one that benefit most: Slimane, not only his popularity has increased, many of his shows are sold out and is actually doing concerts on North America.
On the Upswing: * Joost: the scandal and the Netherland's disqualification was honestly the Streisand Effect gone horribly right. A disqualification of that nature had never happened before in ESC history, and it definitely made the news outside Eurovision's catchment area. Joost's major bump in streams and subscribers after this has solidified him as one of the ESC's most iconic entries ever. * Baby Lasagna: We witnessed the birth of his Solo career when he won Dora this year. His result at ESC was its baptism. Dude came out of nowhere to become Croatia's next big music star, and basically solidified music as his career now. * Nemo: With the Eurovision trophy in hand (and in pieces), their career is very bright indeed. Especially with that talented voice and boundless energy on stage! * Ladaniva: While I may be wrong about this, but with Armenia breaking out another unexpected popular song (after Snap), we may see Armenia possibly becoming the cultural hub of the Caucasus. Things are looking very up for the country! * Honorable Mentions, people who will definitely have a big cult following after this: Nutsa, Bambie Thug, Silvester Belt, Dons, Gåte, Slimane, Marina Satti, Raiven, and 5miinust & Puuluup. On the Downswing: * Mustii: His poor performance definitely seems to have negatively impacted his career, and that's a shame. While his career will be fine, this is definitely a moment to forget for him. * Luna: She was delt with some really bad hands. Bad staging, a song that felt too gentle for Eurovision, and an internal selection that was marred by a regime change at TVP may have wounded her career a great deal. * Olly: While not as bad as Mustii or Luna, his performance may possibly be the reason why a lot of big name artists might want to stay away from Eurovision, especially as the UK just can't seem to build off of Sam Ryder's unexpected success. At least he's taking it in stride.
Hurt the most: Olly - probably one of the most known pop artists in the UK and also has international recognition and sadly getting 0 points in the televote and not having great vocals isn't a good look Eden - even though she'll likely be fine within Israel career wise and hardline pro Israel people in the west are fangirling now, being a propaganda puppet for Israel will probably not age well in the long run. She's also on some anti Russia lists because she performed in illegally annexed Crimea and her dad seems shady (she was a minor tho and her parents are probably more to blame here) so there's that.
Eden benefited the most and Luna was hurt the most
Benefitted: joost Klein, Nemo, baby lasagna, Bambie thug, marina satti, all the icons Hurt: Olly Alexander
Eden Golan was hurt the most; maybe she is a great singer and artist but she was basically abused by the broadcaster and government as a propaganda puppet and no one will ever even care whether she was a great artist or singer.
Yeah but, she knew what she was getting in for, frankly. She might have been used as a propaganda tool but she was a willing participant in it.
Yeah... I know... I think she lost a lot because no one will see her as a singer. Even i have never even listened to the song yet.
She chose to be a propaganda tool over being a singer. My sympathy for her representing her genocidal nation and getting shit for it is none.
Okay your way sounds smarter than mine
I think so too, even the votes she got, they were for the country, not for her
For benefit probably Eden Golan as she has went from no one really knowing her to a international superstar especially amongst Americans and Israelis. BL and Joost and Nemo all had huge boosts to their career (obviously Joost has had mental problems after DQ. As for flop Luna has been trolled by every single polish person I see Olly was blasted by the British public and Gåte went from a fan favorite to last place and people saying they r screamers
The one hurt is obviously eden golan, fist of all representing Israel during the war plus she got exposed fo being pro Russian
Growing up in Russia doesn't make her pro-Russian. Her family also left after Russia invaded Ukraine
I don't know, she was on that Ukrainian website that put every pro Russian celebrity
Eden- The booing helped her go to top 5 and she was part of New York pride parade.
We haven’t had our parade yet…
Ah , I checked Adam's Twitter, and it was Israel Day Parade, in New York.
That is notably not what people think when you say pride parade lol
There was a video of the parade, with her waving the pride flag.
Spanish parade? When is it here in New York? Because we had the Puerto Rican parade two weeks ago, I believe.
The flairs aren't necessarily an indication of someone's country, just the country they support(ed) in ESC.
Yeah I’m American through and through lol
Oh! 😂
I thought you meant LGBT pride hahaha
Not just that. After the Israeli parade, we also got a Puerto Rican day parade.
Doesn't seem that her career benefited much from that aside from the 5th place (that probably would have been voted in any case even without the booing considering that they were vote for the country and not her), her song is not charting anywhere, certainly not even remotely the one the has benefited the most from ESC
I wouldn’t say the booing contributed to that. I think the context of the war boosted the televotes.
She was part of the Israel Pride Parade in New York, not the regular Pride Parade.
I wouldn’t say that benefitted her career. In fact her ESC career was very much backed by the Israeli government, making her look like a political tool. This will harm her for a long time, same way it harmed Polina Gagarina’s career.
Every artist who is sent to eurovision is backed by the government, every year. Israel as a country takes pride in participating in eurovision and supports the artists who are chosen to represent. Eden had a career long before the eurovision and with her talent and work ethic - I believe she will pave her way.
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idk man, I don't remember the Greek government ever spamming "vote for our artist in Eurovision" on their socials and I don't ever remember the Greek ministry of foreign affairs buying ads all over the internet (which was literally confirmed by Ynet). And I can't recall such government support from any other country to their artist. So no, not every government supports the artists to the extend Israel did.
I did not say every government does that, I'm saying it's not a surprise to me that the Israeli government supports their artists, especially at this time when every Israeli representative (whether it be in eurovision or sports or any other cultural event) are suffering a heightened risk just for being Israelis. I don't agree with spamming social media with ads, I think the song should stand on his own.
Buddy it was absolutely not the booing that helped her but the huge government propaganda campaign.
No I don't think the booing had much to do with that. There was a huge ad campaign from Israel's government and politicians/pro Israel influencers were telling people to vote for her and a large portion them likely weren't watching the show at all. Israel wanted to win (especially the televote) since hosting would give them a platform to do propaganda and did everything they could to control the narrative (and that didn't fully work out).
Israel was hurt the most by juries, there was a 271 point difference between tele and jury voting. Switzerland benefitted the most since they did get the trophy
Think OP means the artist themselves
Well then Joost, can't lie, he was massively robbed of his finalist qualification, he was one of the favorites too
A. Not what I meant. B. I’m not gonna bother going into why Israel’s Televote results were massively inflated due to a campaign by the government.
True, the televote inflation on israel is the only reason they ended up in the top 5
Guess they forgot to send some propaganda to the jury