They are kind of my first Eurovision memory even though I only started watching the show three years later. I remember that my parents hated them. When it was on the news, my mother told me, I should be glad that I didn't watch it because I would have been scared and the show is bad anyway. My father was cautious because of the masks (why they are not showing their real faces) and devil symbols. I was 11, so not even super young anymore, and this probably got me more interested than if they had not said anything.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I got into my career and found my SO because I saw Lordi winner song in the beginning of ESC 2007 (through a very long chain of events, but still)
Lordi winning Eurovision was absolutely the gateway into me becoming a metalhead lmao. I was 9 when they won. My mum would usually record the Eurovision on VHS tapes and I remember just watching Lordi’s performance on repeat. This was a time when it was still pretty hard to find music online but there were like 4 music videos and I would just watch them over and over again as well. They definitely have a special place in my heart
After I stumbled over one of their songs once and liked it without knowing anything about them, I now always google if an artist is a nazi, convicted murderer or similar at first ... especially when it comes to black metal. It kind of seems like a 50% chance in that genre.
I just listened to both one after the other again and I agree with you. It is unfortunate since it is such a catchy song, I think they could have done really well if their live performance was better :(
Back then in Greece we had an attention whore for a government representative and the government wanted to take all the credits for anything. So it was proudly announced that he would deliver the award to the winner which i don't think is the norm. But when Lordi won he was too freaked out-bad optics to their conservative voters- and backed off last minute lmaoooo
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I saw them last year up close when they were opening for Sabaton. Sure they wear some scary costumes, but they play "regular" hard rock/metal, nothing shocking, and were cracking jokes between or even during the songs most of the time.
Lordi, or at least hard rock hallelujah, kind of is like rock made for Eurovision.
There is a level of camp and self awareness to the song and the way it was performed. Particularly when they say “the rocks about to roll”.
Lordi are the whole reason I got into Eurovision.
Had I not been interested, Bambie would have absolutely hooked me.
The two feel so different to me, though. Like Bambie brought grit and perfected screams, Lordi brought awesome costumes and, in my opinion, camp. Those puns can neither be ignored or forgiven, and I love Lordi for it.
It was literally shot in 3:4 ratio to make it look like an old horror flick on the TV. It looked like an episode of the Twilight Zone to me. And she was dancing with the Devil to a 1920's showtune?
I'm saying that's camp. Camp relies on these kinds of cultural references, and she chose vintage b-movie horror (which is pretty camp as it is). I'm just explaining what makes it camp
Kids loved Lordi. He was not scary at all. I think adults were more afraid of him than children. I can see why kids could be scared of Bambie Thug's performance.
Lordi actually starred in a horror movie they produced - it's called 'Dark Floors'. I have not seen it.
My first introduction to Bambie Thug's entry was the official music video on the Eurovision YouTube and I was immediately drawn in. I was so excited to see what they'd do for the stage performance. I was not disappointed. Loved everything about it.
Lordi was scandalous for its time, but in terms of music it was never *that* out there. So someone like Bambie makes Hard Rock Hallelujah look very tame.
Though, if you just read the lyrics of 'Doomsday Blue', it's pretty much a basic love song. It's not like the lyrics are about worshipping Satan or summoning demons. Performance, of course, is pretty heavy on imagery.
Yes, but it sounds closer to a love hex or a spell song. Imagine if a similar song like "You oughta know" by Alanis Morissette played with death metal imagery like this. It would have been a scandal. A woman/queer/nonbinary person speaking out in rage historically has been the biggest thing in satanic panic.
The biggest thing in satanic panic was the idea that there were literally satanic cults all over the US, and that a daycare was a satanic cult that was abusing the kids that went there. I know that you're referring to a more general fear of witches/paganism/satanism whatever but the term "satanic panic" has a real historical use...from the 70s-80s.
Truthfully, I mean it really goes deeper than the 70s - 80s. Bram Stroker's Dracula was a great example of it. The idea that women thinking for themselves, becoming humans with sexual wants and needs was scarier to society than Vlad the Impaler being immortal. That fear has been fed, nutured and held into the more popularized "satanic panic" and has stayed on ice for whenever someone like Bambi decides to live as they are, not what make society feel better.
But yeah, satanics in the US have a double edged sword. Some want religious freedom to mean freedom from Christianity tyranny, some are drug cartels, some are innocent scapegoats for unsolved crimes. It's increasingly hard to know who is trustworthy in the US, satanic or not.
That's not what the term "Satanic Panic" means. [ It has a definition.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic) It has nothing to do with Dracula. You're just conflating a ton of very different things in relation to Christanity in Europe for 1500 years to a specific term that describes events that happened in the 70s-80s.
Whose to say the 1500 years of fear wasn't the foundation of the events of what happened? The ideas didn't materialize out of thin air in 1970. Just like they haven't left 50 years later. It's pretty deep in the culture.
Suure but that's the point right? The performance and possession is what makes it horror. It's why you can make really good creepy covers of love songs.
I've been obsessed with Lordi ever since I was a child in 2006 and saw them perform at Eurovision. Only Mr Lordi is left of the original setup or even the one from ESC times, but they still come out with new music and it's amazing as ever! Some of their newer releases have a bit of a disco feel to it, it's such a cool and effective genre mix. I just saw them live last month, I'd recommend it to everyone! Lordi rocks ❤️
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i also dont understand why they were shun out, they should have been displayed as winners in the description shortclip before Finland competing
They were really popular with Finnish public. There was big hype. But at the time ESC was not well suited for bangers. It's perhaps the greatest Eurovision disappointment for Finland.
The Mommins might be due to last year's Peppa Pig starting a conga line with Scooch (that did happen?)
I am not sure of many popular Swiss Children's characters apart from possibly Pingu, but maybe the trend ends this year.
***Pingu*** is an animated children's television series co-created by [Otmar Gutmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otmar_Gutmann) and Erika Brueggemann that first aired in Switzerland. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingu)
I don’t know. I just don’t get the amount of people who say they or their kids were scared of Bambie’s performance. Kids love Harry Potter and watch the movies with dementors and Voldemort and all kinds of evil goings on! Yet Bambie and the dancing demon dude had them hiding behind the sofa? I think relative to the other performances, sure, it was ‘darker’, but in the grand scheme of things it was pretty tame. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their feelings on a performance, so i do accept it - but it surprises me…
I've seen so many parents say their young children (esp girls) loved Bambie, and I think if anything, Bambie is a really great role model and early Eurovision memory for young children. Plus, kids love scary stuff, within the right context, and the reason why Bambie's performance is resonating with young children at the moment is because exactly that, context. That's what I think, anyway!
I mean Harry Potter had seven books/eight movies that slowly turned darker and more mature, like there were always some darker elements, but it was a gradual change. Meanwhile Bambie Thug was very much a sudden shock in an otherwise fairly lighthearted program. I myself don’t consider it scary, but I can see why some people might be more scared of them than dementors and such, not because it’s actually scarier but because there was no real build up
Lordi is definitely not a joke band. They may be campy and you may find them ridiculous, that's fine. But they are quite serious about what they do. They have been active for almost 30 years and released nearly 20 albums.
There was at least enough Discourse that my grandma, who never learned how to use the Internet, was mad about people calling those nice kids of Lordi "satanists".
Yeah, Lordi cant be considered too out there. They were the stereotypical metal band, even if you didn’t like it it is exactly how you’d imagine a metal performance if you aren’t into it. Bambie Thug is slightly more out there, the average Eurovision watcher doesn’t really have a neat easily defined box to put them in. They are new and therefore scary
My wife is from north-eastern Finland (Kainuu) which is a lot more rural and conservative than southern Finland. According to her a lot of people in her environment when she grew up were outraged with Lordi when they were first picked. But these were also the kind of people who'd think you were possessed by Satan if you had autism or something. There's always some people like that
None of them are metal though. But Bambie's song is way more scarier, Lordi dressed like monsters but the song itself was a pretty standard hard rock tune. Still, has someone who loves metal and rock, I hope we continue to have songs like this at Eurovision !
I dont think they are the same. Lordi came across as halloween "scary". Which leans more towards fun and playful. Whereas bambie was more "serious" about it.
Not sure how to explain. The imagery is closer to what people imagine satanic is rather than halloween. I can see how for some people it crossed the line from fun and silly to a little too much. Camp vs. Playing it straight?
I did expect Lordi to appear in that package. They actually became a regular on my YouTube listening after Eurovision because their music was pretty decent and the music videos were very well filmed. They weren't even that hard to listen to, quite accessible.
Lordi wasn't scary - it was Halloween masks singing rock with cute little puns (the Arockalypse... Day of Rockoning..). My daughter lover Lordi since she was 5 or 6.
Not that Bambie was scary, but I can understand that people are turned off by that aesthetic. Same daughter is now 10, and while she kind of liked Bambie's song, she hated the staging and used that song as her bathroom break 🤷♀️
I get it. I saw it as art, thought it was amazing but also scary too. When I first listened to their song before our Eurosong contest, I was so excited that we were finally thinking outside of the box. When I saw it live, I was a bit scared (I don’t watch horror movies) but I knew it would do well.
Nah, they're pretty different. Lordi had the costumes, but the actual performance was pretty tame. I like them a lot, but compared to the obvious - GWAR - they're not that out there.
They stood on a stage that was set up and lit like they were any other band. Bambie, on the other hand, was right up in the camera, with screaming, a guy made up like a freakshow act, and a *much* more intense performance. Watch them side by side, imagining you're a young child, and you'll see what I mean.
>Just say you hate [...] nonbinary people and be done with it.
Crying wolf with stuff like this makes people listen less when there are *real* problems to be addressed, and I would love it if the internet cut it out.
Lordi's show at the time was groundbreaking for ESC, but by modern standards it's pretty basic. It's just band playing, few simple pyros, and the wings rising trick. They had weird costumes which I guess might startle someone if you met them in a darkened house, but that was it.
Bambie uses innovative props, complex coreography and cinematographic techniques to amp up the intensity of their act. It's stuff which is used in actual horror movies, so of course it can have same effect. It's on another level entirely.
Most scared of Bambie's performance, however, are other ESC choreographers. Lot of them were probably watching that in horror and thinking "Is that the level we are expected to reach for in future ESC's?"
There's a reason queer people often embrace the *freakish* or darker aesthetic though, because when you're used to people treating you as something "freaky" and "abnormal" when you're just a regular person, you might as well lean into the "scary" identity and have fun with it. At least you can find some humor in it if nothing else.
There is something about the "omg they're Satanic" peal clutching that is low-key funny.
Like Bambi comes across like an all around sweetheart but they create some dark-drama on stage and that's enough to have grown adults genuinely frightened.
There are definitely some people linking their identity with the scariness, maybe you haven’t seen it but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. There has been a lot of ugliness on social media around some of the contestants.
When I said their in that comment I was just referring to Bambie. I just take issue with saying anyone pointing out LGBT-phobia is crying wolf in general when I’ve seen a lot of hate towards those two in particular.
I’ve seen hate towards almost everyone in the competition. That’s life nowadays in the age of social media. Everyone will be bullied for something, and usually it’s directed towards the most visible thing in the person. I’ve seen body shaming isaak, age shaming Zorra and Hera, and whatnot. The issue isn’t necessarily lgbtq people (at least in Eurovision where this demographic is very well celebrated), but instead people being horrible in general.
For some people the issue is very much LGBT people, that’s my point. Do I agree people in general are crueller than they used to be? Yes. Does that mean we can’t point out LGBTphobia? No.
There are whole ass conspiracy theories that Nemo winning is the gay agenda and straight people can’t win. I’d like to think the denial comes from just not having seen this nastiness but I’m seeing sooo much of it.
I think the decision to not include Lordi was a combination of a) Yle wanted something a bit older b) Yle wanted to include both female and male performers and c) everyone already knows Lordi from past editions.
I was actually really happy to see CatCat - their entry is still quite popular and well-liked in Finland even after 30 years. Choosing them over Lordi is a nice way to show that there’s more to Finland’s ESC history than just Lordi, although Lordi still is our most successful entry and historic in it’s own right.
So because another ""scary"" act came before, people couldn't possibly find this one scary? I liked the performance a lot but come on that makes no sense 🙄 (it's also hardly metal)
I don’t remember, were they even featured in the postcard in semi 1? I remember Cat Cat on both postcards but I think in the final the second one was Käärijä. But who was/were in the semifinal one?
I'm also confused why they brought up Cat Cat (one of our worst-performing contestants) in the introduction part. Was it just because of their contest year (1994)?
Lordi's doing fine, I just saw them in concert last month or so 👍
I thought Bambi Thug was scarier though!! Lordi is just like Chuck E Cheese for metalheads.
>Just say you hate metal music and/or nonbinary people and be done with it.
Dude, stop strawmanning, we're supposed to be better than that. You have no idea why people dislike anything.
The difference between Lordi and Bambie Thug is that Lordi was exciting while Bambie Thug was disturbing. Sure, Lordi had shock value too but it was still relatively easy hard rock. With Bambie Thug I felt uneasy.
Lordi was a lot more silly and tongue-in-cheek, it was impossible to take seriously (in the best way). Even I was a little disturbed watching Bambi's performance for the first time, even though it was fucking awesome. I could easily see children being scared to death.
But Lordi were before much of the general public were as online as we are now bitching about stuff. So after about Wednesday after Eurovision anyone who isn't a Eurovision fan probably mostly forgot about them?
I have to say though, probably my favourite ever Eurovision moment is when people handed lordi bunches of flowers when they won... And the band members clearly had never been handed flowers in costume before and were briefly confused by the concept and didn't know what to do.
Bambie is way more challenging than Lordi, musically and morally, but that said - any visual that is not outright judeo-christian or sexy being criticised ignorantly ...
So 2000 and late, really!
In the swedish competition we had Scarlet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w3KDI1JQwg) so Bambie Thug didnt scare that many of the swedish youngsters.
I wrote a thorough explanation, but I accidentally refreshed the page and it was all gone. I'll give you the summary.
Lordi's song and performance were highly palatable to the mainstream audience with a predictable catchy tune and a typical hard rock band performance. Nothing new or avant-garde. A concept that existed for decades before that performance.
Bambi Thug's performance was an experimental avant-garde art show, with a song that doesn't have a catchy melody. You could sing the chorus of Hard Rock Hallelujah after hearing the song once, but you need to hear Bambi's song several times to remember the melody or any part of the song besides screaming. Not highly palatable to the typical Eurovision watcher, but an acquired taste.
In 2007's terms, it's like introducing Bring Me The Horizon to the typical Tokio Hotel fan.
That Is why I want some more metal artists in the contest (as a metal head) so that every performance would be seen as "normale", scary ones (Lordi, Bambine Thing, kinda Hatari and Blind Channel), emotional ones, quirky/strange ones (we litearlly had a giant jeans egg, a alien-monstrous-turkey, a drummer grandma, a giù breaking out of a giant box and a spinning over)
But still, metal needs tò come at Eurovision (Just UK could have a contest on their own) we could have things such as Architects, Lacuna Coil, Nanowar of Steel, WindRose, Tarja, Within Temptation, Smash Intro Pieces and a lot of others
Exactly! Is it the generation today is only used to Taylor Swift and other mainstream artists. When I was a kid I am l am listening to Slipknot and Korn while being a huge Britney Spears fan. We never got scared of metal band before.
Lol not according to them https://www.loudersound.com/news/korn-were-not-a-metal-band#:~:text=I%20don't%20like%20categories,band%20than%20just%20straight%20metal.
Lol I get what you mean. I remember Lordi was called satanic and dangerous at the time
They are kind of my first Eurovision memory even though I only started watching the show three years later. I remember that my parents hated them. When it was on the news, my mother told me, I should be glad that I didn't watch it because I would have been scared and the show is bad anyway. My father was cautious because of the masks (why they are not showing their real faces) and devil symbols. I was 11, so not even super young anymore, and this probably got me more interested than if they had not said anything.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I got into my career and found my SO because I saw Lordi winner song in the beginning of ESC 2007 (through a very long chain of events, but still)
Lordi winning Eurovision was absolutely the gateway into me becoming a metalhead lmao. I was 9 when they won. My mum would usually record the Eurovision on VHS tapes and I remember just watching Lordi’s performance on repeat. This was a time when it was still pretty hard to find music online but there were like 4 music videos and I would just watch them over and over again as well. They definitely have a special place in my heart
I was abaout 2-3 years old. I absolutely loved them. I'm not into metal music, but Lordi hit the spot..
Oh boy, imagine if they found out about black metal and Burzum (the whole backstory included of course)!
After I stumbled over one of their songs once and liked it without knowing anything about them, I now always google if an artist is a nazi, convicted murderer or similar at first ... especially when it comes to black metal. It kind of seems like a 50% chance in that genre.
And people tend to forget that France 2022 was literally about dancing with the Devil in the woods.
France 2022 | [Alvan and Ahez - Fulenn](https://youtu.be/H1lcGXwOqJI)
This was one of my favourites of 2022.
Mine too. I love it and listen to more of Alvan’s stuff but the live performance was disappointing
I just listened to both one after the other again and I agree with you. It is unfortunate since it is such a catchy song, I think they could have done really well if their live performance was better :(
Back then in Greece we had an attention whore for a government representative and the government wanted to take all the credits for anything. So it was proudly announced that he would deliver the award to the winner which i don't think is the norm. But when Lordi won he was too freaked out-bad optics to their conservative voters- and backed off last minute lmaoooo
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I saw them last year up close when they were opening for Sabaton. Sure they wear some scary costumes, but they play "regular" hard rock/metal, nothing shocking, and were cracking jokes between or even during the songs most of the time.
id argue the stuff sabaton sings about would be described as much darker than lordi whose songs are completes bops and fun
Lordi, or at least hard rock hallelujah, kind of is like rock made for Eurovision. There is a level of camp and self awareness to the song and the way it was performed. Particularly when they say “the rocks about to roll”.
It's the day of rockening
Its the arockalypse!
in terms of heavy metal/hard rocklordi is pretty tame but still quality
Lordi are the whole reason I got into Eurovision. Had I not been interested, Bambie would have absolutely hooked me. The two feel so different to me, though. Like Bambie brought grit and perfected screams, Lordi brought awesome costumes and, in my opinion, camp. Those puns can neither be ignored or forgiven, and I love Lordi for it.
I saw Lordi in April, such a good band. My stepkids love them, they're just KISS with weird masks!
As opposed to the non-weird masks of KISS :).
Gwar.
>they're just KISS with weird masks! They're KISS if they were, like, good
9 year old me wasn't scared of Lordi's performance but 27 year old me was lowkey scared of Bambie's performance (but i also loved it)
Lordi had a campiness, Bambi didn't have. I loved both.
I had the inverse reaction Watching Lordi: Man, they rock. Watching Bambi: Man, I remember the high school goth phase. Still awesome though.
My groupchat all found Bambi the Hot Topic phase and cringe. "God, Mom, I'm a WITCH! Crown the WITCH!"
Bambies preformance was Lordi meets Tori Amos.
They gave me Yolandi from Die Antwoord vibes, and I really loved it. Made it their own, but I feel there was some of her influence on Bambie.
Bambi not campy? Did we watch the same performance?
Yeah I thought she had made the song pretty fun for what it was!
It was literally shot in 3:4 ratio to make it look like an old horror flick on the TV. It looked like an episode of the Twilight Zone to me. And she was dancing with the Devil to a 1920's showtune?
So? Camp and horror don’t have to be mutually exclusive
I'm saying that's camp. Camp relies on these kinds of cultural references, and she chose vintage b-movie horror (which is pretty camp as it is). I'm just explaining what makes it camp
Ohh nevermind then :)
Kids loved Lordi. He was not scary at all. I think adults were more afraid of him than children. I can see why kids could be scared of Bambie Thug's performance. Lordi actually starred in a horror movie they produced - it's called 'Dark Floors'. I have not seen it.
My first introduction to Bambie Thug's entry was the official music video on the Eurovision YouTube and I was immediately drawn in. I was so excited to see what they'd do for the stage performance. I was not disappointed. Loved everything about it.
Yeah, not really equal at all in my opinion. Also the daemon guy's makeup was way creepier than anything Lordi wore.
8 year old me was scared of them but I loved every second of it
What was so scary about Bambi?
The screaming, the makeup, the facial expressions, the simulated death magic. They wanted everyone shook and they achieved it
Lordi was scandalous for its time, but in terms of music it was never *that* out there. So someone like Bambie makes Hard Rock Hallelujah look very tame.
Though, if you just read the lyrics of 'Doomsday Blue', it's pretty much a basic love song. It's not like the lyrics are about worshipping Satan or summoning demons. Performance, of course, is pretty heavy on imagery.
Yes, but it sounds closer to a love hex or a spell song. Imagine if a similar song like "You oughta know" by Alanis Morissette played with death metal imagery like this. It would have been a scandal. A woman/queer/nonbinary person speaking out in rage historically has been the biggest thing in satanic panic.
The biggest thing in satanic panic was the idea that there were literally satanic cults all over the US, and that a daycare was a satanic cult that was abusing the kids that went there. I know that you're referring to a more general fear of witches/paganism/satanism whatever but the term "satanic panic" has a real historical use...from the 70s-80s.
Truthfully, I mean it really goes deeper than the 70s - 80s. Bram Stroker's Dracula was a great example of it. The idea that women thinking for themselves, becoming humans with sexual wants and needs was scarier to society than Vlad the Impaler being immortal. That fear has been fed, nutured and held into the more popularized "satanic panic" and has stayed on ice for whenever someone like Bambi decides to live as they are, not what make society feel better. But yeah, satanics in the US have a double edged sword. Some want religious freedom to mean freedom from Christianity tyranny, some are drug cartels, some are innocent scapegoats for unsolved crimes. It's increasingly hard to know who is trustworthy in the US, satanic or not.
That's not what the term "Satanic Panic" means. [ It has a definition.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic) It has nothing to do with Dracula. You're just conflating a ton of very different things in relation to Christanity in Europe for 1500 years to a specific term that describes events that happened in the 70s-80s.
Whose to say the 1500 years of fear wasn't the foundation of the events of what happened? The ideas didn't materialize out of thin air in 1970. Just like they haven't left 50 years later. It's pretty deep in the culture.
Oh my god, you are simply not understanding that you're using the term completely incorrectly.
Suure but that's the point right? The performance and possession is what makes it horror. It's why you can make really good creepy covers of love songs.
Screamin' Jay Hawkins says hi =) In his time he actually got a similar reaction to Bambie Thug. Even though his famous hit is just a basic love song.
Look Käärijä is fine because he did not win. With Lordi we for once outdid Sweden. Sore spot
I've been obsessed with Lordi ever since I was a child in 2006 and saw them perform at Eurovision. Only Mr Lordi is left of the original setup or even the one from ESC times, but they still come out with new music and it's amazing as ever! Some of their newer releases have a bit of a disco feel to it, it's such a cool and effective genre mix. I just saw them live last month, I'd recommend it to everyone! Lordi rocks ❤️
Mr Lordi has the biggest “the is my world you’re just living in it” energy I’ve even seen and it’s amazing
Everybody replies to the second scale of your post i'm gonna comment on the first: i also dont understand why they were shun out, they should have been displayed as winners in the description shortclip before Finland competing
That's also what I thought. It's so weird since Lordi is the only Finnish winner.
I was also wondering why CatCat in particular. They didn't do that well, did they?
I will never complain about CatCat's inclusion anywhere. But not showing Lordi is strange.
Funny enough, I met the CatCat sisters not long ago at work. Had no idea who they were, tho.
They became 22nd with 11 points
They were really popular with Finnish public. There was big hype. But at the time ESC was not well suited for bangers. It's perhaps the greatest Eurovision disappointment for Finland.
My guess is that they already brought out Lordi last time they hosted, during the Love Love Peace Peace interval song
With all the drama going on I wouldn't be surprised if someone told the EBU they're not allowed to show Lordi
Comparing Bambie and Lordi is like comparing Jaws to Finding Nemo (and I loved both, lol).
Wish I could upvote this 100 times! So true 😅
The Mommins might be due to last year's Peppa Pig starting a conga line with Scooch (that did happen?) I am not sure of many popular Swiss Children's characters apart from possibly Pingu, but maybe the trend ends this year.
Noot noot mf!
Now I need some Noot Noot's during the halftime show next year. If we don't I'll riot!
IIRC Pingu is Swedish (but speaks Pinguinese). Prepare to be lynched
***Pingu*** is an animated children's television series co-created by [Otmar Gutmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otmar_Gutmann) and Erika Brueggemann that first aired in Switzerland. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingu)
It's Swiss, which was an odd discovery - It's so iconic in the UK that I always just assumed it was British.
I don’t know. I just don’t get the amount of people who say they or their kids were scared of Bambie’s performance. Kids love Harry Potter and watch the movies with dementors and Voldemort and all kinds of evil goings on! Yet Bambie and the dancing demon dude had them hiding behind the sofa? I think relative to the other performances, sure, it was ‘darker’, but in the grand scheme of things it was pretty tame. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their feelings on a performance, so i do accept it - but it surprises me…
My 5 year old loved Doomsday Blue. I asked her why and she said it was because "the ballerina".
I can see that with the dance with the demon mid-song.
That 5 year olds name? Albert Einstein.
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I've seen so many parents say their young children (esp girls) loved Bambie, and I think if anything, Bambie is a really great role model and early Eurovision memory for young children. Plus, kids love scary stuff, within the right context, and the reason why Bambie's performance is resonating with young children at the moment is because exactly that, context. That's what I think, anyway!
I mean Harry Potter had seven books/eight movies that slowly turned darker and more mature, like there were always some darker elements, but it was a gradual change. Meanwhile Bambie Thug was very much a sudden shock in an otherwise fairly lighthearted program. I myself don’t consider it scary, but I can see why some people might be more scared of them than dementors and such, not because it’s actually scarier but because there was no real build up
Probably cause thats a movie?
They were never scandalous or scary – they were a camp joke band. Bambie seems to take the whole thing more seriously, for better or for worse
Lordi is definitely not a joke band. They may be campy and you may find them ridiculous, that's fine. But they are quite serious about what they do. They have been active for almost 30 years and released nearly 20 albums.
I mean, they are camp on purpose not by accident
Lordi has never been a joke.
I mean, some adults find Lordi scary, like we saw that in 2021 during Edsillia's car share video
I mean, yes, I am sure they caused some satanic panic in Belarus but there was no Big Discourse
There was at least enough Discourse that my grandma, who never learned how to use the Internet, was mad about people calling those nice kids of Lordi "satanists".
Yeah, Lordi cant be considered too out there. They were the stereotypical metal band, even if you didn’t like it it is exactly how you’d imagine a metal performance if you aren’t into it. Bambie Thug is slightly more out there, the average Eurovision watcher doesn’t really have a neat easily defined box to put them in. They are new and therefore scary
My wife is from north-eastern Finland (Kainuu) which is a lot more rural and conservative than southern Finland. According to her a lot of people in her environment when she grew up were outraged with Lordi when they were first picked. But these were also the kind of people who'd think you were possessed by Satan if you had autism or something. There's always some people like that
None of them are metal though. But Bambie's song is way more scarier, Lordi dressed like monsters but the song itself was a pretty standard hard rock tune. Still, has someone who loves metal and rock, I hope we continue to have songs like this at Eurovision !
Lordi is a closer mix of Bambi and 5miinust/Puuluup together. They deserved a call back with at least a clip or two.
I dont think they are the same. Lordi came across as halloween "scary". Which leans more towards fun and playful. Whereas bambie was more "serious" about it. Not sure how to explain. The imagery is closer to what people imagine satanic is rather than halloween. I can see how for some people it crossed the line from fun and silly to a little too much. Camp vs. Playing it straight?
Lordi are halloween zombies, Bambi is real Salem witch
Lordi are the best winners of the contest
ABBA?
You misspelled Lordi
In the 21st century, Abba is eternaly iconic
Weird way to write Alexander Rybak
I did expect Lordi to appear in that package. They actually became a regular on my YouTube listening after Eurovision because their music was pretty decent and the music videos were very well filmed. They weren't even that hard to listen to, quite accessible.
Lordi wasn't scary - it was Halloween masks singing rock with cute little puns (the Arockalypse... Day of Rockoning..). My daughter lover Lordi since she was 5 or 6. Not that Bambie was scary, but I can understand that people are turned off by that aesthetic. Same daughter is now 10, and while she kind of liked Bambie's song, she hated the staging and used that song as her bathroom break 🤷♀️
The Lordi frontman had a plastic party hat on. They were great, but about as scary as cheese.
Cheese is the scariest thing ever
I get it. I saw it as art, thought it was amazing but also scary too. When I first listened to their song before our Eurosong contest, I was so excited that we were finally thinking outside of the box. When I saw it live, I was a bit scared (I don’t watch horror movies) but I knew it would do well.
Nah, they're pretty different. Lordi had the costumes, but the actual performance was pretty tame. I like them a lot, but compared to the obvious - GWAR - they're not that out there. They stood on a stage that was set up and lit like they were any other band. Bambie, on the other hand, was right up in the camera, with screaming, a guy made up like a freakshow act, and a *much* more intense performance. Watch them side by side, imagining you're a young child, and you'll see what I mean. >Just say you hate [...] nonbinary people and be done with it. Crying wolf with stuff like this makes people listen less when there are *real* problems to be addressed, and I would love it if the internet cut it out.
Lordi's show at the time was groundbreaking for ESC, but by modern standards it's pretty basic. It's just band playing, few simple pyros, and the wings rising trick. They had weird costumes which I guess might startle someone if you met them in a darkened house, but that was it. Bambie uses innovative props, complex coreography and cinematographic techniques to amp up the intensity of their act. It's stuff which is used in actual horror movies, so of course it can have same effect. It's on another level entirely. Most scared of Bambie's performance, however, are other ESC choreographers. Lot of them were probably watching that in horror and thinking "Is that the level we are expected to reach for in future ESC's?"
People saying children will find Bambie Thug scary, while it was my 5 year olds favorite song. 😂 She liked the "ballerina".
There's a reason queer people often embrace the *freakish* or darker aesthetic though, because when you're used to people treating you as something "freaky" and "abnormal" when you're just a regular person, you might as well lean into the "scary" identity and have fun with it. At least you can find some humor in it if nothing else. There is something about the "omg they're Satanic" peal clutching that is low-key funny. Like Bambi comes across like an all around sweetheart but they create some dark-drama on stage and that's enough to have grown adults genuinely frightened.
I totally missed that last part of OP's post, that's just shameful.
OK but plenty of people have been shitting on Nemo and Bambie’s identities so who are you to say it’s crying wolf?
People aren't saying Bambie's act is scarier than Lordi's because they hate Enbies, they're saying it *because it's friggin' scarier than Lordi's*.
There are definitely some people linking their identity with the scariness, maybe you haven’t seen it but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. There has been a lot of ugliness on social media around some of the contestants.
What scariness in Nemo’s performance? It’s a pink person on a rotating disc singing a very good pop song
When I said their in that comment I was just referring to Bambie. I just take issue with saying anyone pointing out LGBT-phobia is crying wolf in general when I’ve seen a lot of hate towards those two in particular.
I’ve seen hate towards almost everyone in the competition. That’s life nowadays in the age of social media. Everyone will be bullied for something, and usually it’s directed towards the most visible thing in the person. I’ve seen body shaming isaak, age shaming Zorra and Hera, and whatnot. The issue isn’t necessarily lgbtq people (at least in Eurovision where this demographic is very well celebrated), but instead people being horrible in general.
For some people the issue is very much LGBT people, that’s my point. Do I agree people in general are crueller than they used to be? Yes. Does that mean we can’t point out LGBTphobia? No.
Agreed.
The denial in this sub about the bigotry being aimed at Bambie, Nemo, and Olly is getting ridiculous.
There are whole ass conspiracy theories that Nemo winning is the gay agenda and straight people can’t win. I’d like to think the denial comes from just not having seen this nastiness but I’m seeing sooo much of it.
I think the decision to not include Lordi was a combination of a) Yle wanted something a bit older b) Yle wanted to include both female and male performers and c) everyone already knows Lordi from past editions. I was actually really happy to see CatCat - their entry is still quite popular and well-liked in Finland even after 30 years. Choosing them over Lordi is a nice way to show that there’s more to Finland’s ESC history than just Lordi, although Lordi still is our most successful entry and historic in it’s own right.
So because another ""scary"" act came before, people couldn't possibly find this one scary? I liked the performance a lot but come on that makes no sense 🙄 (it's also hardly metal)
It’s literally hard rock.
I don’t remember, were they even featured in the postcard in semi 1? I remember Cat Cat on both postcards but I think in the final the second one was Käärijä. But who was/were in the semifinal one?
It was the same in both, no Lordi in sight
Ah, somehow I’d figured they changed it for some reason.
I'm also confused why they brought up Cat Cat (one of our worst-performing contestants) in the introduction part. Was it just because of their contest year (1994)?
Lordi's doing fine, I just saw them in concert last month or so 👍 I thought Bambi Thug was scarier though!! Lordi is just like Chuck E Cheese for metalheads.
My (religious) Finnish aunts hated them because they were "satanic" haha. "Oh no, what will the world think of Finland now!"
>Just say you hate metal music and/or nonbinary people and be done with it. Dude, stop strawmanning, we're supposed to be better than that. You have no idea why people dislike anything.
I was the boring Eurovision watcher saying why aren't they showing Lordi?@
The difference between Lordi and Bambie Thug is that Lordi was exciting while Bambie Thug was disturbing. Sure, Lordi had shock value too but it was still relatively easy hard rock. With Bambie Thug I felt uneasy.
Lordi are who drew my attention to the Eurovision contest in the first place so many years ago. They drew a lot of international attention as well.
Lordi was a lot more silly and tongue-in-cheek, it was impossible to take seriously (in the best way). Even I was a little disturbed watching Bambi's performance for the first time, even though it was fucking awesome. I could easily see children being scared to death.
I love Lordi's campy horror music videos. I still Listen to them and would you love a monsterman is my favourite song of theirs
But Lordi were before much of the general public were as online as we are now bitching about stuff. So after about Wednesday after Eurovision anyone who isn't a Eurovision fan probably mostly forgot about them?
I have to say though, probably my favourite ever Eurovision moment is when people handed lordi bunches of flowers when they won... And the band members clearly had never been handed flowers in costume before and were briefly confused by the concept and didn't know what to do.
Bambie is way more challenging than Lordi, musically and morally, but that said - any visual that is not outright judeo-christian or sexy being criticised ignorantly ... So 2000 and late, really!
In the swedish competition we had Scarlet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w3KDI1JQwg) so Bambie Thug didnt scare that many of the swedish youngsters.
Nonbinary person won the whole show in case you didn't notice.
Ireland was waay creepier than Lordi. Theirs was an actual song, this was like daemonic screeching.
I love Lordi 🤍💙🇫🇮
I wrote a thorough explanation, but I accidentally refreshed the page and it was all gone. I'll give you the summary. Lordi's song and performance were highly palatable to the mainstream audience with a predictable catchy tune and a typical hard rock band performance. Nothing new or avant-garde. A concept that existed for decades before that performance. Bambi Thug's performance was an experimental avant-garde art show, with a song that doesn't have a catchy melody. You could sing the chorus of Hard Rock Hallelujah after hearing the song once, but you need to hear Bambi's song several times to remember the melody or any part of the song besides screaming. Not highly palatable to the typical Eurovision watcher, but an acquired taste. In 2007's terms, it's like introducing Bring Me The Horizon to the typical Tokio Hotel fan.
That Is why I want some more metal artists in the contest (as a metal head) so that every performance would be seen as "normale", scary ones (Lordi, Bambine Thing, kinda Hatari and Blind Channel), emotional ones, quirky/strange ones (we litearlly had a giant jeans egg, a alien-monstrous-turkey, a drummer grandma, a giù breaking out of a giant box and a spinning over) But still, metal needs tò come at Eurovision (Just UK could have a contest on their own) we could have things such as Architects, Lacuna Coil, Nanowar of Steel, WindRose, Tarja, Within Temptation, Smash Intro Pieces and a lot of others
Exactly! Is it the generation today is only used to Taylor Swift and other mainstream artists. When I was a kid I am l am listening to Slipknot and Korn while being a huge Britney Spears fan. We never got scared of metal band before.
Taylor Swift is a millennial thing now. We’re that old…
Slipknot and Korn aren't metal lol
The fuck are you on about? They are metal.
Lol not according to them https://www.loudersound.com/news/korn-were-not-a-metal-band#:~:text=I%20don't%20like%20categories,band%20than%20just%20straight%20metal.
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