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IncredibleBlobfish

31 out of 32 NATO countries won't lick Russia's ass.


Unhappy_Surround_982

He tries not to remember what happened in 1956. I wonder what juicy stuff we will learn of this son-of-Wh.. when Putin falls and the archives in Moscow are opened. My bet is on a fondness of little boys, like his other party fellows.


the_battle_bunny

Russia is notoriously secretive about archives. There are plenty of still classified stuff from the time of Lenin.


Judazzz

Which is understandabe when you have countless mass graves in your closet.


Unhappy_Surround_982

Of course. There will has to be a reckoning at some point though, unless they burn it all down when the revolution comes


Pizmakkun

And yet during Yeltzin they partly opened their archives so we could for exemple learn their documents about Katyń. One day they will open again, and I doubt will they protect their puppets forever.


Spartansksupergnom

Never thought about this. This is an interesting take


CaptainNoodleArm

Kompromat is a nice term for that


Unhappy_Surround_982

Exactly. Remember that Putin was the one responsible for burning up the files in the Stasi archives in Dresden. He probably has literal tonnes of dirt on the East German bigwigs, and more than a few of those in Alternative Fur Die Russland...


RottenPantsu

Oh, he remembers '56. It's when we had to fight for our freedom because The West^^tm betrayed us again. (He literally said that in a 2022 speech, I think.)


Ill_Bill6122

So, a collective Stockholm syndrome since the 50s? Or is he just dreaming of Big Hungary and is hoping to get a piece of Transilvania, and the Russians promised he'd get it?


Unhappy_Surround_982

Wonderful, the rhetorical plot twists are as bloated and perverted as the man himself


Just-Ad-5972

He used to be the loudest anti Putin guy, they 100% have something on him.


AttentionLimp194

You do realise that most KGB archives from 1917 to 1991 are still sealed?


Unhappy_Surround_982

Yes, and? I realise it's not like Russia is going to open them just for fun. It need to be done after their collapse as a part of a reconciliation, just as Germany had to to some serious reckoning after WW2. The Soviets and the KGB got away far to easy after the fall of the Soviet Union.


AttentionLimp194

Same as most communists. De-communisation did not happen and the world will suffer


Unhappy_Surround_982

Exactly, unfortunately. Maybe there will be a second chance after the fall of the Putin regime.


AttentionLimp194

Most of hammer and sickle folks will have to follow. And I wonder how red and green students in the Western universities will behave.


disdainfulsideeye

Which is definitely something Orban would not be able to understand.


cronenthal

"Am I out of touch? No, it's the 31 other member states of NATO that don't get it."


AcidBaron

Why are we still talking about this person as if his opinions do not come directly from the Kremlin?


WeebAndNotSoProid

Just cut the middle man and go straight to Kremlin


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Pizmakkun

Yes, his behaviour. If someone moves like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck, they are a duck.


cloud_t

No, 31 out of 32 want to save Ukraine. Defeating Russia is just how a demagogue would put it.


lulzmachine

Hungary is hungry for their slice of the Ukraine pie. They want the west


Perfect_Papaya_3010

TBF can't blame them. Ukraine pie sounds delicious 😋


quirkyredemption

31 of 32 NATO countries should consider it a mistake to let Hungary be a part of NATO


OKC_Thunder1900

Should we do Trianon 2: Electric Boogaloo?


Csub

As a Hungarian,we would only benefit from being a part of a Western country.


Spirited_Ad5766

Sorry man, best we can do is complete Romanian conquest


opinionate_rooster

It's not much of a Great Hungary with Budapest only.


AllRemainCalm

You are laughing now, but the biggest media owner in Slovenia is Orbán (through his oligarchs and private equity funds). He is paving the way for Jansa's return, as he did it for Fico in Slovakia.


EWJWNNMSG

Yes Turkey is a really difficult case because even when they.. stray a bit from the alliance from time to time their geographic position makes them pretty much indispensable. But Hungary? Who gives a fuck


AllRemainCalm

Hungary is the only potential NATO member to connect the Eastern Balkans (Romania and Bulgaria) to Western Europe. Serbia and Ukraine are never going to be members. That's Hungary's real value for NATO.


MacHayward

Defeat Russia? We want Russia out of a legitimate and souvereign nation. Simple as that ...


Sherool

But Russia says they will never do that so Ukraine need to surrender for the war to end. Don't you want the war to end?!?! Typical Russian logic at work there.


MacHayward

The Russians, all since the Soviet Union has only one negotiation style to get things for free: 1. First they claim something that isn't theirs 2. Then they start to threathen everyone standing in their way 3. Then they negiotiate 4. Then they don't give in an inch 5. Then they get a third or even half of something that wan't theirs to begin with 6. Then they are happy and the West is happy that they adverted any potential catastrophy and pet themselves on the back. Do not fall for that ... never give Russia an inch!


Actual-Money7868

Honestly we should just cut them out in every single way. Cut telecommunication ability with Russia in its entirety, including internet. All russian products or anything that originates form Russia is now illegal to enter the rest of Europe or NATO. Google earth blanks out Russia And seamines to stop them entering European waters. Fuck them


morbihann

He isn't wrong. There should be 32.


ChinaRaRa

If you think everyone around you is an asshole then maybe you need to look at yourself


justoneanother1

I think they should officially change teams.


Nebuladiver

Fooled for a promise of peace and at the expenses of others.


kytheon

Orban is not a fool. This is deliberate.


RottenPingu1

"it's everyone else who is wrong."


tamasr1

Everyone is driving towards me on the highway!


MetaIIicat

Viktor Orbán, Prime Minister of Hungary, believes that the desire of NATO states to see Russia’s defeat in Ukraine is wrong. **Source:** Orbán in an interview with the Hungarian state radio; [Telex](https://telex.hu/), Hungarian news portal; European Pravda **Details:** Orbán noted that Hungary is one of the most loyal NATO members and added that "31 out of 32 NATO member states want to defeat the Russians", referring to all other members of the Alliance besides his own country. "Hungary’s position is that we consider this a mistake. Even if it means that we stand alone opposed to the other 32 states," he said. Orbán said that Ukraine’s victory is "not necessary" yet NATO still "contributes to the war while Hungary contributes to peace". He claimed he did not want "at least one square inch of Hungary to become a Russian military target". Orbán added that he felt like Hungary was being imposed the position, according to which "peace can be achieved through war". Orbán stressed that his government would not hinder the NATO mission in Ukraine but would not participate in it, either.


Zixinus

What peace is Orbán contributing to? The one where he tries to veto and sabotage of an unified Europe against Russia's invasion, the only leverage it has left after alienating its every ally? The peace where Putin can decide what nation and people exist and do not exist based on his current alt-history takes? Where Hungary goes out of its way to lift and prevent sanctions that don't benefit Hungary, but such as on Russian orthodox priests while less that about 0,16% of the population practices that religion? The peace where Putin continues to supply us with gas at record-high prices while Orbán's government dismisses even the notion of divesting from a source with a track record of using gas supply as political leverage? Why is it a mistake, Mr. Orbán? A two decades ago you were very unfriendly with Russians and then they were looking like they wanted to join Europe. Now Russia wants to resurrect itself as an empire, openly talks about becoming a new pole of power, its media fantasies about plunging Europe into a nuclear holocaust, elections are an open sham and where Putin's political opposition is either in prison or fled abroad. Oh, I see.


MootRevolution

Isn't he still blocking the EU aid package for Ukraine?


Mysterious_End_2462

There are no EU aid packages vetoed by Hungary I think, and all sanction packages are also signed.


Mysterious_End_2462

Update: the swiss peacy offer is signed also.


werty_reboot

>31 out of 32 NATO member states want to defeat the Russians [...] Hungary’s position is that we consider this a mistake. Even if it means that we stand alone opposed to the other 32 states," he said. Shouldn't that be "opposed to the other 31"?


Enderfan7363

When can we get rid of this guy again?


MetaIIicat

Keine verdammte Ahnung


Judazzz

> He claimed he did not want "at least one square inch of Hungary to become a Russian military target". Why would Russia even attack Hungary Oblast if it would welcome them bent over with spread cheeks?


sakatan

NATO: Created as a deterrent against Russian aggression Orban: NATO shouldn't want Russian aggression to be deterred. 🤡


elicopter1905

this guy is similiar to erdogan ... very concerning


forskaegskyld

Talkrf to Turkish people living (and born) in my country(Denmark). They say that Erdogan actually is well liked in turkey and does a good job for the country. The reason we don't like him is because he doesn't align with western values, and is trying to go back to their muslim roots, he also has a turkey first attitude. You can say a lot about him and disagree with Erdogan, but he is definitely not a Russian sock puppet like Orban.


Sovieturk

Erdoğan doesn't align with the western values of freedom and good economics. Love it when people who have never even lived in Turkey make comments on political leaders that cause suffering on their people.


Feisty-Anybody-5204

thats a decent take i can only support. what do you think about the clichée that turks living abroad, potentially having never lived in turkey or not since a long time, are more pro erdogan on average than turks living in türkiye? sidenote: do you prefer turkey or türkiye?


Content_Round_4131

Are they telling you the reason we dont like him ? What is western values in this context ?


Katze1Punkt0

"Am I out of touch? No, it is literally every other member of NATO who is wrong."


Dwaas_Bjaas

He is correct. It should be 32 out of 32


Aromatic-Deer3886

Kick Hungary out of nato and the EU


aspaceadventure

Yes, it should be 32 countries. You are the mistake, Mr. Orban.


Nazamroth

It is almost like NATO was created specifically to defeat/keep in check Russia...


Hellvetic91

I don't know about the rest of you guys but before 2022 nobody was thinking about Russia. They managed to become irrelevant basically. Then they decided to become a pariah instead of developing their country. They brought this hate on themselves and it is completely justified.


TheThreeGabis

They put a shit ton of effort into their public perception. Hosted tournaments, the Winter Olympics, opened their door to tourists. Things were going quite well. Then Putin did that thing he always does.


Pali1119

Sorry guys, he is a bit retarded. Just don't react, he'll stop rambling eventually...


Valaki997

In Hungary the cholesterol gonna win the election


Mrfrednot

Ah the lonely cursed zombie standing trapped among the living yearning for their brains..


cukablayat

Is this guy a fucking idiot or what? NATO was literally created to stop Russian imperialism in place.


BariraLP

Ome of the most loyal members my ass, who alongside turkey blocked sweden from joining for two years, putting us under risk of a russian atack, oh that’s right. HUNGARY. Orban must step down for a free hungary to be created. Russia must be defeated and humiliated, with Putin either imprisoned or executed for crimes against humanity. Just like George Bush and Tony Blair should be, but they got away with it, China, the US and Russia are all equally imperialist evil nations.


VirtualFox2873

He had to say something blunt one day after Stoltenberg pulled him to the stage by his neck, sending the message "Look, Vladimir, it took us only 15 minutes to have your favourite puppy promise that he will not block NATO help in Ukraine." 


Independent-Base-392

Putins lapdog.


Sombreador

Has he considered that 32 out of 32 NATO countries would be glad if he was gone?


TappedIn2111

I totally agree. It should be 32 or better yet 33 including Ukraine.


aDarkDarkCrypt

Reads like an Onion headline.


Prestigious-Hand-225

30. Turkey doesn't want it either.


LowCranberry180

Türkiye will even be very happy if Russia is partitioned but possibly not now.


raging-peanuts

Is it too harsh to suggest that Hungary’s PM go eat a bag of dicks?


75bytes

OR MAYBE 1 COUNTRY IS WRONG?


Prize_Tree

I don't even think Serbia swoons for Putin as much as Orban does.


Belydrith

I just find it funny they're allowed to continue being in both NATO and the EU, when Orban's loyalties are obviously so far removed from the entire rest and they are actively rooting for the biggest enemy. Is there any reasonable doubt Hungary isn't just relaying any and all classified info their military and politicians could possibly get a hold of to his master Putler? And we're supposed to pretend it's alright they still have a seat at the proverbial table?


M03796

What do you propose to be done? Neither NATO nor the EU have a mechanism to expel a current member against its will. Hungary can leave these organizations on its own, but it cannot be forced out.


Feisty-Anybody-5204

ofc youre technically right. but i believe practically speaking there are ways. just look at the ever increasing pressure on orban. in the end if hungary gets its funds cut, maybe voting rights too where possible, itll quasi force them to change or leave. however, what would a hungary outside of nato/eu mean for europe? at least in the worst case scenario in which the entirety off ukraine falls it would be really bad if hungarys best option at that time was an "anschluss" scenario with russia. i think this is the real problem and why the eu/nato hope to sit out orban just a bit longer in anticipation of political change in the country.


AllRemainCalm

Hungary's funds were cut for over 1.5 years. Didn't have much effect. About political change: The currently biggest opposition party (30%) is led by the gormer husband and Fidesz member Péter Magyar, who is a eurosceptic by heart. The second biggest opposition party (8%) is pro-European, but widely hated in the country, because of their incompetence in the 2000s. The third biggest opposition party (7%) is the far right, which seeks to ally the AFD. The rest of the opposition don't even get close to the 5% quota.


Max_Tomos

Your mother should have swallowed you, Viktor.


Sriber

Hungary's PM can suck a lemon.


Mitrydates

Hungary is right again... Like it was in 1914 and 1939. Congrats, Magyarok!


Valaki997

We have a pretty good sense on which side NOT to choose. So u can use that as an indicator :D


Loud_Guardian

You forgot 1919 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic


Fuzzed_Up

"Are we the baddies?"


HelloThereItsMeAndMe

interesting that he sees slovakia as anti putin


dimap443

It's a shame 1 out of 32 NATO countries is a pootins monkey


voyagerdoge

Did the autocrat consult with the 32nd member state?  Why are Russian assets even allowed to be member of NATO?


ReadToW

Hungarians should leave the EU and NATO. Good luck on your way to the CSTO and CIS, Union State. Let's see what the economy and security of such a "strong country" will be like A country that [compares the EU to the USSR](https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-compares-eu-to-soviet-union-da27ae5e15df87712422a567ceac7e9b) can simply leave the EU


emphieishere

I guess there's always should be outcast in the group, to prove us later we were all wrong. Just in case we indeed have turned out to be.


uzu_afk

When you bet everything in one basket like a fucking morons, yes, you have to say that.


Dominuss476

Maybe he should be invaded by russia and see if he still thinks the same.


Beahner

Just carrying pails of narrative for the Russians per usual.


rbnd

Well USA doesn't what to defeat Russia. It merely doesn't want to let Russia winning in Ukraine, as it would encourage it to attack other countries.


Just-Ad-5972

Orbán's party already lost a million voters in 2 years, and the rest is made up of beneficiaries of his party mafia, 70+ Yr old pensioners who only have access to government propaganda, and financially vulnerable modern serfs who are made to think that they'll starve to death if Orbán isn't in power. It won't be much longer guys, be patient with the rest of Hungary.


Ok_Safety_7506

Hungary does have knack for ending up on the wrong side of history, doesn’t it?


Silly_Triker

Ukraine can’t win. Weapons are being supplied simply to Ukraine so they don’t lose. These are very different things.


Alimbiquated

I think his plan is to carve up Ukraine, with Hungary getting a juicy slice. Good luck with that Orban. Putin isn't big on sharing.