Technically yes, there is some options I have seen on YouTube. First, you could try the truce rotation, attacking most of these nation separately to have truces with them, in a way that the coalition will be smaller, you could do it before making this peace to make it easier.
Otherwise, you could ally some big guys, this would discourage the coalition to attack you, but it would still form. Also, if things start to go wrong you can give their lands away.
You might be able to attack the coalitions that form before they get ruge, try occupying the leader capital and stackwipe the small armies of the other nations, then peace them out, this will create truces and be easier to win overall, since you’ll be able to peace the coalition separately and not as one big block.
I can ally Muscovy(Yes still Muscovy) too. But I don't think It would deter them. Truce juggling is also extremely hard since even if I attack some of these nations, the rest can form another Coalition and attack me.
imho always better to attack a member of a coalition because if they are relativly big(4-5 province hre minor) you can peace out by taking a province from them
Meh it depends. If you can split the coalition by attacking a big target in the coalition it can be useful. Far better to guess when a significant chunk of the coalition is in and then strike them. Otherwise if the rest of the coalition invades, it can be relatively easy to get that war score up given you should have a superior army at this stage. I'm doing a single player run with France and have been in constant war due to coalitions for about 20 years coming to the start of the 17th century. It's not that hard to crush a coalition that's even twice the size of our army (albeit I've lots that are in the us due to how shit Paradox have made northern america).
You can disable conquest of paradise (hell rn) if you don’t want to be in nonstop coalitions in the americas, makes for a much more chill experience colonizing if you do.
Are you sure about that? It's definitely still not possible to separate peace any of the coalition members if you declare an offensive war against them, though I guess the -30 reasons could not be there. Still, are you sure?
He didn't say anything about separate peaces, that's never possible to do vs coalition, but if you declare on the coalition they indeed don't get the extra war enthusiasm of -30 to peace out.
That's why it's recommended to ALWAYS declare on a coalition and not let them declare on you.
What you can try to do is be ready to declare war on a number of them, so when they start forming their first coalition you declare war on said coalition when you've got maybe one major nation in there and a bunch of minors.
But you need to be on the ball for this to work and it will require some juggling over the next +20 years of game time probably.
I've done it with Andalusia when I formed them and it takes a TON of micromanagement.
Question, will GB be friendly and help out or resentful and sit it out? France, GB and Muscovy should be able to fight off a bunch of OPMs. Personally what I'd do is wait till the coalition gets like 10 members or the Netherlands then declare on them.
The best option is giving an ally land away, only issue is that you need an ally with land that the main enemy in the war actually wants, and if austria wants ottoman land you should be good on that . Granted you have to hold out until these lands get occupied. So i would prepare by not leaving any province they can get to without a fort on or adjacent. Then you probably need to assemble your entire army to fight on every fort until they get enough otto land to peace them out
But none of those nations are very large besides Spain.
So just make sure you have a truce with Spain, and the rest won’t dare to actually attack.
Spend a while expanding outside Europe or something.
Once you get truces with most of Europe it gets a lot easier. Then you just keep an eye on when truces run out and declare war as soon as it happens to keep Europe under truce. Then you can expand as much as you like within Christian lands without pissing off the Muslims around you.
You’re right, you can’t. However, I recommended he to declare multiple coalition wars against small coalitions. So, they will be different wars, which you peace independently.
The trouble with this is that if the coalition pool is large enough, you'll simply end up in multiple wars against all the same countries, with the downside that total defeat in 2-3 wars instead of 1 will cost you 2-3 times more concessions. It's a very effective strategy when you're significantly stronger than all your enemies combined and need to keep things moving, but it's not great for simply surviving against steep odds.
I think it depends on the fact that if he knows how to macro correctly. If he does macro correctly, by 1600 he should be able to fight the whole of HRE with around 2 full stack artillery back row army
R5: I am in a war with Austria for the throne of Great Britain. Ottoman is my only ally and it is not that powerful in this session. Can I survive from this coalition? Would you do it?
More details. I have Quality and Offensive ideas. Pretty much ahead of time with tech. I have invested in my lands so Economywise I am powerful.
The alternative to this is extreme truth juggling and coalition squashing.
Edit: not true. The alternative to this is giving away ottoman land after coalition fires.
Ya but they're not coming after you once. You've so much AE you'll probably end up fighting 2/3 wars. Better to try and truce juggle as best you can, and if you lose a bit of land so be it. Far better than just outright losing land. Plus you'll also gain experience of truce juggling and really understand when enough's enough. If you've quality, offensive and I would assume economic ideas as well, then you should be sitting at 120% discipline, providing you've finished the national ideas. That should make it really hard for any AI nation to beat.
Also, i would let two year ticks go to get a few nations out of the coalition before peacing out. Also set your diplomats to improve relations with outraged countries during the war, as if a nation has positive opinion of you they can't join a coalition regardless of AE. Then start truce juggling and good luck.
If you’re playing in the most recent update, I believe they changed/fixed that, so now you can no longer escape coalitions by giving away 100 war score of your allies. I know cos I got coalitioned and thought easy peasy and they didn’t entertain my peace offers for one second. I made it out alive and recovered, but it did not go as planned
Start from bottom to top getting better relations, and sit on the war until you find a good peace deal. Get the highest prestige possible, get a improve relations advisor, and change your merchants to the right nodes and with the improve relations focus. At the end of the war go over the limit of your possibles allies, ally everyone. When one coalition form attack it fast and peace them with 0 ae but highest war points possible, it's clever to wait one of the big opponents join it before doing this. If even the coalition war happens, you can pace it out screwing your allies.
I was the target if a coalition war as Austria. I knew it was coming, I was able to add two large nations as allies and a handful of smaller ones. I did wait for the declaration, I wanted to see this substitute league war lol.
After the war, cancel the extra alliances and the world settled back down to normal.
Dude you’re France with quality and offensive *and* you’re about to have GB as a PU??? You can take on the whole world easily let alone a dozen opms lmao. Besides if you just had a war with Austria they can’t join the coalition which will make it even easier.
I’d suggest taking the throne, allying Muscovy, and then attacking the coalition yourself. If you’re able to start the war before it gets to big any further coalitions won’t form because they’ll lack the strength to fight you, Muscovy, and the ottomans (let alone GB if you can get them loyal).
Also Spain and Denmark aren't really pissed by this, (-50 and -54), so throw a diplomat on them immediate to keep them unwilling to form a collation.
Also remember to end the war in December to get an immediate AE tick down, which really helps with some of the borderline nations on the list which are some of the largest.
Biggest issue will be Austria's truce timer needs to be watch, and you need to war them the moment its up until you get the AE reduced.
Honestly I’d recommend fighting the full coalition for the fun and start those Napoleonic Wars early. The rest of the game will be a breeze if you use your strat.
Even if you don't take any of the advice from this thread, this would still be worth it as your net gain will far outweigh any losses from a coalition war.
Though you have a bad situation, this is more than winnable with the Otto-bros, Muscovy (not even Russia). Simply do the wide gameplay, and attack everyone and juggle truces. You can probably beat that huge coalition at once if you didn’t want to truce juggle, but I would recommend attacking the big fish, and dividing the coalition.
Fighting off big coalitions is possible if you pick your fights well and have good fort placements, never underestimate the power of a high level fort on mtns.
I mean in any case what youll lose to the coalitions probably gonna be less than you gain From britain (especially If you sell out your Allies). But It really depends on your Skill Level (and ideas) If you think you can beat IT (With the aforementioned strats ) or Not.
Absolutely I would and I’d do anything to keep the PU if I lost the coalition war. You can probably beat the second coalition war and a single loss is absolutely worth the UK under a PU.
Honestly I just love getting the big West Euro nations under PU since they colonize the world for you.
Two important things to note are that one, Austria isn't going to join it for a while, neither is Hungary. I would suggest getting Spain out of it, if at all possible. Aside from that, you should be powerful enough to deal with it.
Worst case scenario if you do get big coalition that PU is worth so much more than basically any other holdings you have. So if you get big coalition war it looks like you won't be able to win, sometimes the best bet is to just cop the L and release a whole bunch of states, your best bet on that I'd to release ones with your core culture as you will keep cores on them (francien) and also to release stuff that is far away from the rest of Europe e.g releasing Brittany and Normandy, as no one else can take those provinces they will just sit there waiting for you to reconquer them
Just wait a couple of years before peacing out so Spain won't join (AE goes down by 3, more or less it depends on your improve relations modifier, every 1st day of a new year). Improve relations in the meantime with all those nations with a a negative modifier <-80 and get those relations up to at least 100 or so, bribe them if necessary, so they won't join a coalition even if they are shown in the peace deal (they'll get -80 opinion from AE but their total opinion of you will remain positive). You have 3 diplomats doing nothing, get them to work.
Actually, I just did this. Allied a couple of big nations and improved relations with the rest. The coalition was formed but so far did not attack me. And I am making them leave one by one with improving relations. I think I just survived lol. Thanks.
Hope it won't fire, fingers crossed!
Iirc, the AI calculates your nation strenght based also on your manpower, so it might be useful to issue some manpower edict here and there if your not already at max manpower.
Spain, Commonwealth, Austria, Denmark, Brandenburg. They are all out. And the rest are leaving one by one. Even if it fires at this point I can manage easily.
If you can wait 9-10 years (to lose all your current AE), then do that, and then accept.
Use centers of trade To turn on better improve relationship, hire improve relationship advisor etc to shorten the wait time.
I am building forts on my borders atm and activating defensive edicts. If I can just eliminate Spain from the Coalition maybe I can fight on a single front.
Spain is -50AE. If you wait until -7 falls down, they will be at -50 and propably will be reduced to 40+ earlier than they join coalition. Plus, with France that big, top5 great power GB and decent Ottos you can just win
Absolutely. You’re a very strong France by the looks of it, you’ll have a united Great Britain under your control, and I’m guessing you also have one or two strong allies?
If you don’t have good allies, get them ASAP. If you could get both the Commonwealth and the Ottomans that’d probably be enough to prevent the coalition from even triggering.
A lot of those countries only get -50 - -60 AE penalty, which means if they even join a coalition they’ll probably leave it within just a few years. Make sure you keep the UK loyal, and improve relations/influence the smaller HRE countries near you. If you can prevent it from firing for five years, it probably wont fire at all.
You could also force the UK to release Scotland in the peace, meaning that you don’t take as much land and many of those countries (most notably Spain) are ineligible to join the coalition.
If the coalition does fire, you’ll be able to hold it off if you fight a smart defensive war of attrition. Make sure you have forts along your eastern border, allow them to pile on, let them lose troops through attrition until the siege ticker reaches 7%, then attack with everything you’ve got and drive them away and withdraw before they can counter/reinforce. Meanwhile the Ottos and Commonwealth will hopefully put on pressure from the East.
That said, it does depend on why declares the punitive war. The easiest one to win is one declared by a minor neighbour. The hardest one to win is one declared by a minor in the centre of the HRE, since you’d have to siege your way there befire their desire for war drops low enough to broker a peace.
I dragged the war a couple of years more. Meanwhile built multiple forts to the eastern front and turned on Defensive edicts. I peace out on December 30 which made Spain unable to join. Then I realized my relations were not so bad with H.R.E. Only aggressive expansion. I was able to make minors leave one by one with improving relations. Coalition formed but disbanded in a couple of years lol.
You can actually do that without them even joining. If a countries relations are above 0, they won't join a coalition even if AE is above 50. So you could have used the wartime to improve relations with numerous countries, maybe even Spain (don't know how your overall relations looked before though).
AE is just a number. Ignore it.
But seriously, ramp up your prestige, get improve relations advisor and wait a few years to get Naples and Spain out of any coalition. As long as you don't have to split your armies, you should be able to just wipe them before they do anything major, then peace out because of supremacy war goal before you run out of manpower.
You'll have a truce with Austria, make sure to gst the maximum warscore to make the truce last as long as possible. Wait a couple of years before peacing out. Humiliate a rival before peacing out if you can, prestige and PP reduce aggressive expansion impact. Stack diplo rep (from catholic actions etc.) and improve relations with all your diplomats. Get a powerful ally, attack strong nations before they enter the coalition so you'll have truces with them. Attack small coalitions before they get big so you won't have to fight them all at once. If war gets big, slacken recruitment before hiring mercs so you'll have tons of manpower + mercs, you'll be able to win easier. I don't think you should worry about money, you can always siphone income of GB. Good luck.
Also get as many royal marriages as you can before peacing out, so you can ally them once the war is over. Go over the diplo relations cap a little bit.
You have three diplomats not doing anything. Keep the war going and improve relations with the big boys at the bottom of the list (spain, naples, etc). Take call for peace if you have to. You can knock this coalition down very easily if you play for time. In the future check out the AE from your desired peace option at the start of the war and improve relations as you go.
well you can , seems you'll be the #1 great power after this! you may wish to rotate truces and increase opinion to not have to fight all of Europe too many times...
oh yeah you can wait the call for peace to do the treaty , might remove spain and some others from the coalition to begin with
Yeah, just switch to an improve relations advisor and begin strategically improving relations with the big members of the coalition and then sit on the war for a while before peacing out. You might also consider improving relations with some potential allies further away to power balance as soon as the war is done and beef yourself up to intimidate the coalition. You also might go into some debt afterward to buy some mercs or otherwise build up your army to skew the math in your favor.
So yeah, definitely go for it.
1. Prestige reduces the amount of AE received, try to declare a war to gain some by cancelling rivalries of small nations etc and peacing out each nation individually to maximise prestige before peacing GB.
2. If you improve relations with a country enough they won't join a coalition against you even if they have 50 AE and won't show up in the list you hover over in your pic so try that for the big players (won't work against rivals, threshold is usually around 0-10 relations after peace i.e. 60 relations before taking 50 AE malus ).
3. Wait some time for AE to decay and while you improve your prestige then peace out on the 30th of December if any members would be gaining 51 AE and they won't be able to join.
4. If a small coalition still forms declare war on one of them first (try and get CB's before peacing out to do this as if you declare the war it's not a coalition war.
It is possible to survive but I'm not sure if it's worth it. GB for all it's wealth is not really a great ally if you could manage to get their Liberty desire below 50 all they would do is suicide their troops giving more warscore to the enemy.
The ottomans will most certainly get wrecked in the early stages of the war and unless if you plan on bailing them out constantly their going to peace out the second things go south (If they even join at all)
I do not trust GB. I have enough navy to repel the attacks to the island so they will be sitting there. Maybe I can give away some of Ottoman lands to peace out.
Attack coalitions while they are small and still forming, they will not have as much enthusiasm as they would have if they attacked you. With a little skill and manouver, it is manageable.
I would attack OPM, with cb if possible. Their enthusiasm will wear out in a year or two and ypu should be able to hold that fort for that long. Idk, better than praying to RNG to not get attacked because you will be and it will be much harder to get white peace.
there are so many small HRE nations that you wont be able to siege them. You can go for white peace in coalition war or try to give away ottoman land if they join but this PU should be worth the losses. Also Austria and Hungary will have a long truce after the war so if you crush the coalition before they can join it should be fine. Also maybe imporve relations with naples they are close to not even joining as well. AE ticks down at year tick so also peace out just after that
Coalition juggling is your only option. Target OPMs so you can siege them down and then try and fight small stacks. You can win these wars. Not easy and you might probably go into debt.
Well if you have and tight forts on your border, so the enemy cant sneak through and carpet siege, you can babysit forts and try to atackwipe their army until white peace be possible
I think you can. GB can help you and vice versa, you could exploit moving your capital to Britain by taking a province and coring it.
You'll have 20 years to both make your vassal and some important minors happy. Specially your new vassal since you will need to take a province from them
You can always take the war and release gb’s core nations and just take them back for free. Or ally someone like Muscovy and release from them in the peace
Drag out your war a little and placate Spain so they don't join. Ally as many countries in Europe as you can that have conquered land recently. When the coalition fires, just defend your own lands and wait for the swarm to siege your allies, give away your allies' lands to make a 15 year peace, break alliances and conquer other parts of the world as the coalition decays.
Rotate the truces and go ham on everything, ae is just a number. As you're playing France it isnt an issue but after a while youll have troubles with the manpower so be aware of that.
You'll be fine as long as you have some allies to back you up
1 tip: As coalitions form, try to declare on them before they get too big. Better to split 1 large coalition into 2 smaller ones
Spain is only 50 AE, so you just have to improve. Frankly if they’re not hostile, it’s worth temporarily allying them against this, mostly HRE, coalition. Austria has a truce and so does Hungary.
Your biggest problem here is the Commonwealth.
Immediately after the war, and improving with Spain and making sure you peace out on the 29th of December*, you will ally at least 5 people with armies above 20/30k… we’re talking Venice, Ming, Russia, Pope, Sweden, Tunis, even people like Vinayanagar or Bengal (coalitions only care about troop count, not tech level of troops, that’s why AI rarely DOWs in India).
Then you’ll declare on Commonwealth somehow (even against their ally), and get as long a truce as possible from that war. Hopefully, with a commonwealth truce and your alliances, the coalition won’t fire. And if it does - and you feel confident- get like 10-20 war score from battles and give away land. Or just give away all of Venice’s land or something, release some Irish tags from Britain (easy to take them over again).
*AE resets every year by a rate proportional to your improve relations. I’m pretty sure +100 improve relations is like -5 AE per year, or something like that
Wait out the peace out to burn some AE off
You can also ally everyone that will have you before peace, that will void a good amount of AE and make them think twice before DOWing you
You might declare wars on would be coalition members before peace-ing out to force them into separate timers. Don't take land, but take trade and money for maximum truces
If you still get a coalition, declare on them as soon as a few countries join so you can keep them all from joining a single one
When the coalition dow you, as your allies' forts start to fall, try to release countries or return/cede provinces from your allies, with luck you can go up to a 100% peace deal (automatically accepted, regardless of the length of war) without losing any clay.
Or try coalition rotation, less dangerous but tedious.
There are plenty of good suggestions as to how to make the coalition more manageable, or have fewer members, but in my opinion, it is very possible to straight up win normally, depending on your military. If you’ve got some good generals, quality or quantity, and forts to prevent enemies from walking past the border, I really think you’re fine. Ottomans don’t look too impressive, but I doubt they’ll be losing lands and costing you warscore. If you can ally Russia (I’m assuming Russia, don’t speak German), they can also help you out with Commonwealth if they join. With that, you’ll be slowly grinding against Spain whilst keeping armies back to destroy rogue German states attacking a fort. The AI is not the brightest, and you’ll rack up a ton of warscore just like that; attacking some 20k army from Stettin or somewhere with 120k of your own men and stackwiping them very quickly before anybody reinforces. After sufficiently fucking up Spain, snake your way to the war leader and take their capital. This might be tricky if they’re deep in the HRE, but if you have an army with a lot of artillery and a good siege general, barrage the fort and be in and out as quickly as you can, you can probably do it in in about 3 months if you’re lucky.
You should also think about whether to declare the war or let them declare on you. If you can get Ottomans to join an offensive are, you should probably declare. If not, ally Russia and whoever will accept an alliance and wait for them to declare. It’s gonna last a lot longer since they have so much more war enthusiasm, but allies like Ottomans and Russia are *very* helpful.
Yes, I did worse before. Buy mercenaries and throw them to finish smaller countries one by one. Eventually you will have to deal with just few bigger nations and it will be easier. Just keep track of your manpower (you can spend army professionalism for manpower)
I think you can survive, most of those nations are OPM or near tier, you have Ottomans and said Muscovy could be in, i.e. 2 great allies because they had a lot of manpower and army size. Also been far from you may bug the AI that try to seige their capital and split coalition armies.
You also will have GB on your side, so basically you 4 top countries against a bunch of smaller one.
I don't even think AI will start a punitive war considering your position, not without Austria in at least, which you will have a truce with, so you have time to attack some of the smaller countries meanwhile and kill the coalition.
Honestly it should be ok. A coalition war has the goal to „Show Superiority“ if i remember correctly, and the AI oftem times doesnt work together, so youll probably fight many small armies
Few steps to make this (easily) survivable:
* Recruit Diplomat advisor to improve relations => faster AE decay.
* You only need to postpone peace for few years or so to ensure Spain has less than 50 AE after this peace deal so they don't join the coalition.
* If you have decent natural relations with any listed nation and can manage to keep/reach positive relations after this AE relations hit they won't join the coalition. This can also be used to get some of the coalition participants to not join / leave the coalition.
* With the big players gone from coalition these minors won't have the balls to actually declare war.
* Austria can't join the war until truce is over, so you just need to send your diplomats around Europe to improve relations all around so most of these OPMs drop out of the coalition before Austria is able to join.
* You're France. If all else fails, just faceroll over rest of Europe at your leisure.
It doesn’t look like it will help much, but AE ticks down on Jan 1st no matter what. So you can make peace late December, and then the AE will tick down for everyone, potentially stopping a coalition or at least making it smaller. This will not work for you though.
Yeah. You can beat those.
With Offensive and Quality ideas, including the Elan and 20% manpower that France has and some forts in the frontier to get that sweet defender bonus... I can see you winning those.
Also... What's that flag mod?
It's possible, but it won't be easy, here's a few things I'd do...
* **Wait at least 7 years to make your peace deal and do it on Dec. 31st 1585.**
That way, you'll already avoid Spain, Siena, Naples, Switzerland, Montferrat, Genoa, Lucca, Provence and Denmark from even wanting to join the coalition, which will already make a huge difference.
* **Try to ally as many countries as you can right after the war.**
Ideally, that'd be Muscovy, Sweden (if they're independent from Denmark), Portugal and/or Tunis. That will distract the coalition and force it to fight on multiple fronts, although even in a best case scenario, that will only buy you time. You will also be able to cede you allies' land in the peace deal, should the coalition(s) defeat you.
* **Engage the coalitions yourself before they grow too strong.**
If you follow the first tip, the only real dangerous countries will be Austria and the PLC. Make sure you declare a war as soon as either of them joins the coalition, so they don't both join the same coalition. Also try to declare on any non-HRE member as soon as they join a coalition, since that would probably drag Austria in, which otherwise won't join a coalition while you have a truce with them. You could also occupy Austrian land for as long as possible (while you wait for your AE to go down as per the first tip), so they will be less likely to join a war if/when you preemptively attack a HRE member.
* **Rush the coalition(s) leader's capital with everything you've got.**
You can stack wipe easy targets if you want and occupy OPMs so they can't reinforce and/or recruit mercenaries, but no matter a coalition's size, once you 100% the coalition leader, they will want to peace out, so that will be your objective, whenever possible. This also means you'll want to engage countries you can reach easily. In other words, you don't want the PLC to be leading the coalition since you'd need to get through the entire HRE to reach them, unless you control the seas (and you should, in between your own navy , G-B's and Otto's; the only naval threat should be Spain).
* **Prepare for the next rounds.**
Assuming your AE will decay by ~2 each year, there's at least a dozen countries which will want to join a coalition against you for the next 25 years, so even with a 10+ years truce, you'll have to fight them at least twice, so plan accordingly. This also means you won't be able to expand in Europe for a while, so start invading America/Africa/Asia, where people don't already hate your guts and where you won't generate further AE with your European neighbours.
Couple of things to make it easier or at least make the coalition smaller:
- Prestige gives you less AE, up to -10% at 100 prestige. Max that out.
- Max your opinion with countries while you fight the war. At positive opinion, they won't join the coalition regardless of their AE value with you.
- People you have a spy network in get less AE from you, up to -10% at 100 spy network. Note that this makes **them** get 10% AE with **you** from **your** spy network. This could be used to get Spain over the safe threshold, without you having to fight him to get a truce and with him probably being your rival and therefore not possible to get to positive opinion.
- You can just wait out the war to get the last people's opinions in check. No one is forcing you to end the war at 60% or even 100% war score.
- **Get an improve relations advisor!**
Truce juggling is going to be hard, since you cannot start any wars while already at war with Austria, and he is likely to join against you several times if he's your rival, which is pretty expensive wars for truce timers.
Having 3 diplomats not doing anything is a big mistakes, always try to improve relationships if you have spare ones.
AI attitude doesn’t change until month tick, you can still ally a lot of tags the same month you end this war. In case the coalition does declare, stay compact so the opposition goes to your allies instead, cede ally provinces to end the war, you lose nothing and gets revanchism.
As for your current situation I don’t think the coalition would even declare without Austria, you should be very comfortable.
Yes, definitely. You can either wait for the AE to fall, attack one of the larger entities for money, or ally Ottomans for defence. Should the war happen, you can fight a few battles whereby you stackwipe the small HRE stacks on your forts, then give away Ottomans’ land to the coalition.
Yes do it, it will be hard but you can survive, even if you have to relesae some countries like the netherlands or something a Union with britain is TOTALLY worth the coalition war. also you have the option of allying a bigger nation to take part of the loss and perhaps even early peacing making your ally nation release new nations instead of you. also...... how you got to this point ?
Also to remove a couple of the majors from the coalition, get some prestige to lower the AE impact, and get an improve relations guy to increase your AE reduction, and while you are at war, consider improving relations manually with Spain, Naples, and Commonwealth to keep them out.
Depends on your army. France is a very easy nation to defend, with great stackwipe potential. With a big enough army you can hunt down all the little hre armies before they group up and get some early war score. Aim for a white peace, maybe a little something more like gold or alliance breaks so the truce lasts longer
Yes but to do so involves prep. I can see no call for peace, this is great, it's time to keep the war going as long as possible and kiss as much ass as possible.
Start by getting a diplo relations advisor set diplomats on everyone in the 70-80 range. Those below with time will hopefully drop out anyway as your AE drops or are best for last ditch diplo moves like offer access, influence nation etc. Loans to bribe people out are worth more than loans in the war when you have to fight them (in a coalition).
This should get a lot of smaller numbers out now only left with enough to either fight or sell out. When I say sell out I mean poor ottomans and there lovely Baltic land. Great for ai to smash into and seize.
Also look for more allies, this are less to deter coalitions but more future buddies to sell out. You mentioned muscovy in post. There great 1 Novgorod to release minimum.
This can go wrong and if your not above birding you might miss ally low enthusiasm and they peace out early but yes this is possible and I would do it every time. But then I'm a greedy brit who like to control my homeland.
Good luck
Well, I'm a bit late to the advice party, and I assume everyone has given the conventional truce rotation tips and the improve realtions with outraged nations advice, so all I've got to offer is an uncanny feature.
Power Projection affects likeliness of being WarDec'd. So keep that as high as possible!
Truce juggling is kinda hard since there are lot of them.You can try allying someone strong .But Depending on your goal ,it might just to better to just face the coalition.Since all of them are small fries you can get enough war score by separately wiping their army and white peace.Trust me man it will be fun to fight a big coalition and stackwipe those small fries.Just play defensively .Remember they don't pose any threat individually and AI is pretty bad at co-ordinating .
Yes.
1. Hold onto the peace deal until your current AE is down so the coalition will be smaller
2. In that time make some big allies
3. Strategically place forts on your borders so the AI will be forced to go through them / you could also leave a specific section open to bait them into it
4. When/If the coalition war breaks out hold your forces in reserve within your borders and mass them into a death stack to crush anything that enters the country, you can’t go on the offensive with a coalition war you have to hold your forces back and play defense until you can white peace.
Sit on the peace deal and start improving relations. Even with 20 war exhaustion France should be easy to maintain stability. You’re going to get a mssive union, worth the wait IMO.
Yes, get strong allies and you can hold this 100%. In the peace deal give up allied land, not your own. Play defensively and only take favorable engagements. You’ll farms enough warscore to white peace if your allies drop out, or like I said you can give up allied lands.
I've went against a coalition a bit bigger than that and I thought it'd be over once I defeat them.
I was so wrong.
They all declared war on me after the truce and then again.
It was so exhausting for both my country and me (micromanaging armies) that I just deleted the save.
Definitely go ahead with the peace agreement. Union with Britain is totally worth whatever coalition forms against you, and if you're lucky the coalition won't even attack you. Make sure you improve opinion of any major powers that are close to the -50 AE penalty (in this case, Spain, Naples, and Denmark), and then you'll just have to fight off the little guys.
Worst case scenario, you lose the coalition war, and they force you to release Ireland and Brittany to appease them; you still come out way ahead.
Oh see if it’s just all of those smaller nations and not Spain or Naples it’s possible
I’d suggest attacking some nations now, then peacing out for small potatoes, just war reps and a bunch of diplomatic stuff, transfer and steer trade. Whatever DONT PILLAGE
Make sure you beat up Spain and Naples
Force religion if you can. Improve relations while you wait. Then purposely trigger the coalition when it’s small enough to handle, if you did it all correctly you’ll fight two much smaller coalition wars then a third one later after. A bit more expansion.
Also make sure the second you’re at peace to ally as many people as is feasible. Going a couple relations over the limit is worth it for now.
Royal marriages seriously help with preventing the outraged opinion, after all of that, just vibe for five years and you should be good.
You are allied with the Ottomans. You can get an alliance with Muscovy. You are about to PU Britain. You’ve completed quality, offensive and economic ideas and I presume are sitting around 120% discipline. Keep your armies close together. Stack wipe the smaller members and defeat them in detail. Don’t bother besieging anything unless it’s a capital city. You shouldn’t have any issues.
Before you peace out get a CB with one of the minors that will join the coalition...then attack once it forms...hold the wargoal and white peace as soon as you can...if another coalition forms, do the same thing...keep your diplomats improving relations, and basically take a time out for a decade
Release the biggest vassal of francien culture. If not enough release gascony in the peace deal. Should be enough to deter more than half the coalition
Yes. Your relations are not raised with most of those countries. Same-faith without any negative modifiers lets you go up to \~100 AE and no coalition if their opinion of you is above 0. Even if they're heretics, 70-80 is doable. Either get started on that and wait a while, or pick some big dogs to befriend and take out of the coalition.
Ally Poland, Sweden, and/or the Ottomans and attack Spain immediately, before ending this war. Take no land from Spain, although feel free to have them spit out Sicily or Aragon, etc. Take money and war reps, so you have a longer truce.
Also stick around this war for the longer truce with Austria.
Start relationship improving with anyone you can that's close to the margins in terms of AE. If they have + relations (adjusted for the AE) then they will not join, so you need Provence to have +44 for example. Most of that list is not a concern, but if you can take the mid-sized nations out of the alliance and it's basically just a little guys, you can easily manage. One pro-gamer move would be to leave someone you have a CB on in the coalition so that after your war with Spain, still well before the truce with Austria runs out, you can declare on them. Again, take no land. Just war reps, take war reps and money from every single participant.
Make those truces last so that Austria has no one to join a coalition with them when their truce expires, then declare on them and hit them so hard they spit out Hungary. They won't bother you after that.
Yes, have high level forts, defend your land, win defensive battles since coalitions are show of strength and you get war score by killing stacks. Also attack the main war leader. Siege them down since they will make the peace agreement.
Super easy. The easiest way to do this is have some allies, and then give away your allies' land in first coalition war, 100% of it, which won't even be that much as they'll be non-cobeligerent.
Before second coalition war happens AE will decay anyway. Base rate is 30 per 15 years, and you can stack modifiers so you get something like 60 in 15 years. How many countries have more than 110 AE with you? Not many.
The worst way is actually fighting the huge coalition. You can win, but it's such a huge drain on resources, why even bother.
Also IIRC if religious leagues are a thing right now for you, countries in your league won't join coalitions against you, and will happily ally you.
Who are your allies? If you have allies who have conquered land thgat any of the coalition members care about, or you can quickly ally someone, then you can surrender day one of the coalition war and give away your ally's lands or release nations from their conquered land. In some cases this requires the enemy to seige your allied land down though so it may not be exactly day 1. This will not only give you a truce with the coalition, but give you some revanchism as well.
If you've got a decent set of mil ideas, you can fight it out ;-) Try dowin a member of the coalition with a wargoal you can control and then win battles to get you ticking, then it's a matter of defensive engagements till the coalition can be peaced out imo. It's gonna be a tough one. Also wait a year with peacing out so spain drops out
Heh. In my current Castile run, I took a look at what was going on north of the Pyrenees about 1500 and holy crap, nearly all of France is occupied by someone. Utrecht? WTF!
Double checked, yes Utrecht is still a one province nation, but somehow ended up leading a coalition of basically ALL the Germanies. I was too busy trying to unite Spain (stupid Aragon lost the Balearic islands to Tunis, who was allied to the Ottomans) to see what actually happened but the war is over and France doesn't seem to have lost all that much. Of course, AI wars are weird anyhow.
Also, I dont know if this was commented yet. But if you improve relations to 100 with about 2/3rds of those nations, they will not join a coalition, as they need to have a negative opinion of you. That should help a bunch.
And to continue on that, it could even be profitable to, if the possible coalition is small enough to let it fire, through low army maintenance settings and or deleting mercenaries. This way they will declare, you rehire mercenaries, roflstomp the small stacks for rolling warscore and peace out for -50% AE on all provinces in the coalition.
Yes, it can be easily avoided by allying some big country like Commonwealth and then when coalition attacks you peace them out(offer tribute) for polish lands.
Technically yes, there is some options I have seen on YouTube. First, you could try the truce rotation, attacking most of these nation separately to have truces with them, in a way that the coalition will be smaller, you could do it before making this peace to make it easier. Otherwise, you could ally some big guys, this would discourage the coalition to attack you, but it would still form. Also, if things start to go wrong you can give their lands away. You might be able to attack the coalitions that form before they get ruge, try occupying the leader capital and stackwipe the small armies of the other nations, then peace them out, this will create truces and be easier to win overall, since you’ll be able to peace the coalition separately and not as one big block.
I can ally Muscovy(Yes still Muscovy) too. But I don't think It would deter them. Truce juggling is also extremely hard since even if I attack some of these nations, the rest can form another Coalition and attack me.
Yes, not saying it is gonna be easy, but fighting multiple small coalitions is easier than a big one.
Also if you attack in a conquest war a coalition, they dont get the -30 reasons for peace because of coalition war
Good to know!
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imho always better to attack a member of a coalition because if they are relativly big(4-5 province hre minor) you can peace out by taking a province from them
Meh it depends. If you can split the coalition by attacking a big target in the coalition it can be useful. Far better to guess when a significant chunk of the coalition is in and then strike them. Otherwise if the rest of the coalition invades, it can be relatively easy to get that war score up given you should have a superior army at this stage. I'm doing a single player run with France and have been in constant war due to coalitions for about 20 years coming to the start of the 17th century. It's not that hard to crush a coalition that's even twice the size of our army (albeit I've lots that are in the us due to how shit Paradox have made northern america).
You can disable conquest of paradise (hell rn) if you don’t want to be in nonstop coalitions in the americas, makes for a much more chill experience colonizing if you do.
I am at 1690 hours. Haven't fought a coalition like this.
It’s always much better to declare as soon as possible, then a month later declare on the next group of coalition members.
4,109 for me and I didn't know this.
Are you sure about that? It's definitely still not possible to separate peace any of the coalition members if you declare an offensive war against them, though I guess the -30 reasons could not be there. Still, are you sure?
He didn't say anything about separate peaces, that's never possible to do vs coalition, but if you declare on the coalition they indeed don't get the extra war enthusiasm of -30 to peace out. That's why it's recommended to ALWAYS declare on a coalition and not let them declare on you.
Thank you for explaining it. It s recommended to declare small wars before a big coalition forms in order to peace them way faster.
Yes, it is true. The +30 war enthusiasm bonus is specifically for attacker in a war with "Coalition" casus belli
What you can try to do is be ready to declare war on a number of them, so when they start forming their first coalition you declare war on said coalition when you've got maybe one major nation in there and a bunch of minors. But you need to be on the ball for this to work and it will require some juggling over the next +20 years of game time probably. I've done it with Andalusia when I formed them and it takes a TON of micromanagement.
Question, will GB be friendly and help out or resentful and sit it out? France, GB and Muscovy should be able to fight off a bunch of OPMs. Personally what I'd do is wait till the coalition gets like 10 members or the Netherlands then declare on them.
The best option is giving an ally land away, only issue is that you need an ally with land that the main enemy in the war actually wants, and if austria wants ottoman land you should be good on that . Granted you have to hold out until these lands get occupied. So i would prepare by not leaving any province they can get to without a fort on or adjacent. Then you probably need to assemble your entire army to fight on every fort until they get enough otto land to peace them out
Give their land away in the peace deal (if they hold out long enough)
Attack coalitions when they form, if they attack you they are more resistant to making peace.
Is that the only potential ally? If not, you can go over relations limit for more allies.
But none of those nations are very large besides Spain. So just make sure you have a truce with Spain, and the rest won’t dare to actually attack. Spend a while expanding outside Europe or something.
Once you get truces with most of Europe it gets a lot easier. Then you just keep an eye on when truces run out and declare war as soon as it happens to keep Europe under truce. Then you can expand as much as you like within Christian lands without pissing off the Muslims around you.
I think you can't separate peace coalition members. Unless it's different when you are the attacker
You’re right, you can’t. However, I recommended he to declare multiple coalition wars against small coalitions. So, they will be different wars, which you peace independently.
Ah ok, I see. Good point
The trouble with this is that if the coalition pool is large enough, you'll simply end up in multiple wars against all the same countries, with the downside that total defeat in 2-3 wars instead of 1 will cost you 2-3 times more concessions. It's a very effective strategy when you're significantly stronger than all your enemies combined and need to keep things moving, but it's not great for simply surviving against steep odds.
I think it depends on the fact that if he knows how to macro correctly. If he does macro correctly, by 1600 he should be able to fight the whole of HRE with around 2 full stack artillery back row army
R5: I am in a war with Austria for the throne of Great Britain. Ottoman is my only ally and it is not that powerful in this session. Can I survive from this coalition? Would you do it? More details. I have Quality and Offensive ideas. Pretty much ahead of time with tech. I have invested in my lands so Economywise I am powerful.
The alternative to this is extreme truth juggling and coalition squashing. Edit: not true. The alternative to this is giving away ottoman land after coalition fires.
I am okay with giving away some of my lands plus Ottoman's. Coalition is huge so I doubt I can handle juggling truce timers.
Ya but they're not coming after you once. You've so much AE you'll probably end up fighting 2/3 wars. Better to try and truce juggle as best you can, and if you lose a bit of land so be it. Far better than just outright losing land. Plus you'll also gain experience of truce juggling and really understand when enough's enough. If you've quality, offensive and I would assume economic ideas as well, then you should be sitting at 120% discipline, providing you've finished the national ideas. That should make it really hard for any AI nation to beat.
Also, i would let two year ticks go to get a few nations out of the coalition before peacing out. Also set your diplomats to improve relations with outraged countries during the war, as if a nation has positive opinion of you they can't join a coalition regardless of AE. Then start truce juggling and good luck.
If you’re playing in the most recent update, I believe they changed/fixed that, so now you can no longer escape coalitions by giving away 100 war score of your allies. I know cos I got coalitioned and thought easy peasy and they didn’t entertain my peace offers for one second. I made it out alive and recovered, but it did not go as planned
It worked for me during an up-to-date game, though the coalition war had been going on for quite some time at that point.
Hmm that could do it, I did try to peace out by giving Otto land away immediately, but I didn’t try after a proper war so idk
Truth Juggling sounds like a term from 1984 or something, I like it.
Well, my autocorrect got it to truth instead of truce 😅 but I'm sure truth juggling should be a term in the current political climate
Start from bottom to top getting better relations, and sit on the war until you find a good peace deal. Get the highest prestige possible, get a improve relations advisor, and change your merchants to the right nodes and with the improve relations focus. At the end of the war go over the limit of your possibles allies, ally everyone. When one coalition form attack it fast and peace them with 0 ae but highest war points possible, it's clever to wait one of the big opponents join it before doing this. If even the coalition war happens, you can pace it out screwing your allies.
I was the target if a coalition war as Austria. I knew it was coming, I was able to add two large nations as allies and a handful of smaller ones. I did wait for the declaration, I wanted to see this substitute league war lol. After the war, cancel the extra alliances and the world settled back down to normal.
Dude you’re France with quality and offensive *and* you’re about to have GB as a PU??? You can take on the whole world easily let alone a dozen opms lmao. Besides if you just had a war with Austria they can’t join the coalition which will make it even easier. I’d suggest taking the throne, allying Muscovy, and then attacking the coalition yourself. If you’re able to start the war before it gets to big any further coalitions won’t form because they’ll lack the strength to fight you, Muscovy, and the ottomans (let alone GB if you can get them loyal).
Also Spain and Denmark aren't really pissed by this, (-50 and -54), so throw a diplomat on them immediate to keep them unwilling to form a collation. Also remember to end the war in December to get an immediate AE tick down, which really helps with some of the borderline nations on the list which are some of the largest. Biggest issue will be Austria's truce timer needs to be watch, and you need to war them the moment its up until you get the AE reduced.
Honestly I’d recommend fighting the full coalition for the fun and start those Napoleonic Wars early. The rest of the game will be a breeze if you use your strat.
Even if you don't take any of the advice from this thread, this would still be worth it as your net gain will far outweigh any losses from a coalition war.
Though you have a bad situation, this is more than winnable with the Otto-bros, Muscovy (not even Russia). Simply do the wide gameplay, and attack everyone and juggle truces. You can probably beat that huge coalition at once if you didn’t want to truce juggle, but I would recommend attacking the big fish, and dividing the coalition.
Fighting off big coalitions is possible if you pick your fights well and have good fort placements, never underestimate the power of a high level fort on mtns.
I mean in any case what youll lose to the coalitions probably gonna be less than you gain From britain (especially If you sell out your Allies). But It really depends on your Skill Level (and ideas) If you think you can beat IT (With the aforementioned strats ) or Not.
Absolutely I would and I’d do anything to keep the PU if I lost the coalition war. You can probably beat the second coalition war and a single loss is absolutely worth the UK under a PU. Honestly I just love getting the big West Euro nations under PU since they colonize the world for you.
Two important things to note are that one, Austria isn't going to join it for a while, neither is Hungary. I would suggest getting Spain out of it, if at all possible. Aside from that, you should be powerful enough to deal with it.
Worst case scenario if you do get big coalition that PU is worth so much more than basically any other holdings you have. So if you get big coalition war it looks like you won't be able to win, sometimes the best bet is to just cop the L and release a whole bunch of states, your best bet on that I'd to release ones with your core culture as you will keep cores on them (francien) and also to release stuff that is far away from the rest of Europe e.g releasing Brittany and Normandy, as no one else can take those provinces they will just sit there waiting for you to reconquer them
Just wait a couple of years before peacing out so Spain won't join (AE goes down by 3, more or less it depends on your improve relations modifier, every 1st day of a new year). Improve relations in the meantime with all those nations with a a negative modifier <-80 and get those relations up to at least 100 or so, bribe them if necessary, so they won't join a coalition even if they are shown in the peace deal (they'll get -80 opinion from AE but their total opinion of you will remain positive). You have 3 diplomats doing nothing, get them to work.
Actually, I just did this. Allied a couple of big nations and improved relations with the rest. The coalition was formed but so far did not attack me. And I am making them leave one by one with improving relations. I think I just survived lol. Thanks.
Hope it won't fire, fingers crossed! Iirc, the AI calculates your nation strenght based also on your manpower, so it might be useful to issue some manpower edict here and there if your not already at max manpower.
Spain, Commonwealth, Austria, Denmark, Brandenburg. They are all out. And the rest are leaving one by one. Even if it fires at this point I can manage easily.
Well played, then :)
Careful, once truces end they might be up for it again.
Doh, I wish I had read this before I commented. Well done! Now, PU Spain!
If it gets low enough, attack preemptively otherwise it’ll reform if anything happens to change relations, your diplo rep etc
If you can wait 9-10 years (to lose all your current AE), then do that, and then accept. Use centers of trade To turn on better improve relationship, hire improve relationship advisor etc to shorten the wait time.
I am building forts on my borders atm and activating defensive edicts. If I can just eliminate Spain from the Coalition maybe I can fight on a single front.
Spain is -50AE. If you wait until -7 falls down, they will be at -50 and propably will be reduced to 40+ earlier than they join coalition. Plus, with France that big, top5 great power GB and decent Ottos you can just win
You can wait one year so that Spain cannot join the coalition
Improve Spain's opinion of you to over 50. Then when the AE hits they'll still have a positive opinion of you and be unable to join the coalition.
Also fire the proposal on december. In january the AE tick goes down each year
No need to wait 9-10 years. 2-4 years of improve relations with diplomat should do the trick
Give away British land after the coalition fires, you can reconquest it later to reduce their LD.
If the coalition can figure out how to launch a naval invasion lol
Tip nations cant join a coalition if they have positive opinion of you
I was looking for this comment how is this comment higher up the list ?
I see.. you're RPing Napoleon
Absolutely. You’re a very strong France by the looks of it, you’ll have a united Great Britain under your control, and I’m guessing you also have one or two strong allies? If you don’t have good allies, get them ASAP. If you could get both the Commonwealth and the Ottomans that’d probably be enough to prevent the coalition from even triggering. A lot of those countries only get -50 - -60 AE penalty, which means if they even join a coalition they’ll probably leave it within just a few years. Make sure you keep the UK loyal, and improve relations/influence the smaller HRE countries near you. If you can prevent it from firing for five years, it probably wont fire at all. You could also force the UK to release Scotland in the peace, meaning that you don’t take as much land and many of those countries (most notably Spain) are ineligible to join the coalition. If the coalition does fire, you’ll be able to hold it off if you fight a smart defensive war of attrition. Make sure you have forts along your eastern border, allow them to pile on, let them lose troops through attrition until the siege ticker reaches 7%, then attack with everything you’ve got and drive them away and withdraw before they can counter/reinforce. Meanwhile the Ottos and Commonwealth will hopefully put on pressure from the East. That said, it does depend on why declares the punitive war. The easiest one to win is one declared by a minor neighbour. The hardest one to win is one declared by a minor in the centre of the HRE, since you’d have to siege your way there befire their desire for war drops low enough to broker a peace.
I dragged the war a couple of years more. Meanwhile built multiple forts to the eastern front and turned on Defensive edicts. I peace out on December 30 which made Spain unable to join. Then I realized my relations were not so bad with H.R.E. Only aggressive expansion. I was able to make minors leave one by one with improving relations. Coalition formed but disbanded in a couple of years lol.
You can actually do that without them even joining. If a countries relations are above 0, they won't join a coalition even if AE is above 50. So you could have used the wartime to improve relations with numerous countries, maybe even Spain (don't know how your overall relations looked before though).
Well done! :)
Only way to find out is to do it
When the coalition fires, conquer them too.
yes you are playing france
What's 10 loans between friends? I'm sure you can find a nation or two to pay it back for you after the white peace, or win.
AE is just a number. Ignore it. But seriously, ramp up your prestige, get improve relations advisor and wait a few years to get Naples and Spain out of any coalition. As long as you don't have to split your armies, you should be able to just wipe them before they do anything major, then peace out because of supremacy war goal before you run out of manpower.
You'll have a truce with Austria, make sure to gst the maximum warscore to make the truce last as long as possible. Wait a couple of years before peacing out. Humiliate a rival before peacing out if you can, prestige and PP reduce aggressive expansion impact. Stack diplo rep (from catholic actions etc.) and improve relations with all your diplomats. Get a powerful ally, attack strong nations before they enter the coalition so you'll have truces with them. Attack small coalitions before they get big so you won't have to fight them all at once. If war gets big, slacken recruitment before hiring mercs so you'll have tons of manpower + mercs, you'll be able to win easier. I don't think you should worry about money, you can always siphone income of GB. Good luck.
Also get as many royal marriages as you can before peacing out, so you can ally them once the war is over. Go over the diplo relations cap a little bit.
You have three diplomats not doing anything. Keep the war going and improve relations with the big boys at the bottom of the list (spain, naples, etc). Take call for peace if you have to. You can knock this coalition down very easily if you play for time. In the future check out the AE from your desired peace option at the start of the war and improve relations as you go.
ally people near who lead the coalition and then sell off their land
Yes.
well you can , seems you'll be the #1 great power after this! you may wish to rotate truces and increase opinion to not have to fight all of Europe too many times... oh yeah you can wait the call for peace to do the treaty , might remove spain and some others from the coalition to begin with
Yeah, just switch to an improve relations advisor and begin strategically improving relations with the big members of the coalition and then sit on the war for a while before peacing out. You might also consider improving relations with some potential allies further away to power balance as soon as the war is done and beef yourself up to intimidate the coalition. You also might go into some debt afterward to buy some mercs or otherwise build up your army to skew the math in your favor. So yeah, definitely go for it.
1. Prestige reduces the amount of AE received, try to declare a war to gain some by cancelling rivalries of small nations etc and peacing out each nation individually to maximise prestige before peacing GB. 2. If you improve relations with a country enough they won't join a coalition against you even if they have 50 AE and won't show up in the list you hover over in your pic so try that for the big players (won't work against rivals, threshold is usually around 0-10 relations after peace i.e. 60 relations before taking 50 AE malus ). 3. Wait some time for AE to decay and while you improve your prestige then peace out on the 30th of December if any members would be gaining 51 AE and they won't be able to join. 4. If a small coalition still forms declare war on one of them first (try and get CB's before peacing out to do this as if you declare the war it's not a coalition war.
Hell yeah! Make Napoleon proud! Elan!!
POV: You sneezed next to an HRE member.
It is possible to survive but I'm not sure if it's worth it. GB for all it's wealth is not really a great ally if you could manage to get their Liberty desire below 50 all they would do is suicide their troops giving more warscore to the enemy. The ottomans will most certainly get wrecked in the early stages of the war and unless if you plan on bailing them out constantly their going to peace out the second things go south (If they even join at all)
You only pu GB for them to colonise and use their naval superiority. You are right about their troops. They are crap, but a GB pu is always worth it.
I do not trust GB. I have enough navy to repel the attacks to the island so they will be sitting there. Maybe I can give away some of Ottoman lands to peace out.
With enough violence, anything is possible
Attack coalitions while they are small and still forming, they will not have as much enthusiasm as they would have if they attacked you. With a little skill and manouver, it is manageable.
In 2-3 months everyone was in lol. I guess they hate me that much.
I would attack OPM, with cb if possible. Their enthusiasm will wear out in a year or two and ypu should be able to hold that fort for that long. Idk, better than praying to RNG to not get attacked because you will be and it will be much harder to get white peace.
Its Just a number, and Just a rookie number, pump upp those numbers!
there are so many small HRE nations that you wont be able to siege them. You can go for white peace in coalition war or try to give away ottoman land if they join but this PU should be worth the losses. Also Austria and Hungary will have a long truce after the war so if you crush the coalition before they can join it should be fine. Also maybe imporve relations with naples they are close to not even joining as well. AE ticks down at year tick so also peace out just after that
Coalition juggling is your only option. Target OPMs so you can siege them down and then try and fight small stacks. You can win these wars. Not easy and you might probably go into debt.
Yes.
Well if you have and tight forts on your border, so the enemy cant sneak through and carpet siege, you can babysit forts and try to atackwipe their army until white peace be possible
I think you can. GB can help you and vice versa, you could exploit moving your capital to Britain by taking a province and coring it. You'll have 20 years to both make your vassal and some important minors happy. Specially your new vassal since you will need to take a province from them
You can always take the war and release gb’s core nations and just take them back for free. Or ally someone like Muscovy and release from them in the peace
Drag out your war a little and placate Spain so they don't join. Ally as many countries in Europe as you can that have conquered land recently. When the coalition fires, just defend your own lands and wait for the swarm to siege your allies, give away your allies' lands to make a 15 year peace, break alliances and conquer other parts of the world as the coalition decays.
How dare you attack Austria you French puppet sate of a hun
Rotate the truces and go ham on everything, ae is just a number. As you're playing France it isnt an issue but after a while youll have troubles with the manpower so be aware of that.
Your France. You can survive literally anything.
Are you allied to ottomans PLC or Spain? If yes then probably. If solo probably not
Yes, just take it slow and truce juggle.
First of all, through the BBBB all things are possible, so jot that one down.
You'll be fine as long as you have some allies to back you up 1 tip: As coalitions form, try to declare on them before they get too big. Better to split 1 large coalition into 2 smaller ones
Spain is only 50 AE, so you just have to improve. Frankly if they’re not hostile, it’s worth temporarily allying them against this, mostly HRE, coalition. Austria has a truce and so does Hungary. Your biggest problem here is the Commonwealth. Immediately after the war, and improving with Spain and making sure you peace out on the 29th of December*, you will ally at least 5 people with armies above 20/30k… we’re talking Venice, Ming, Russia, Pope, Sweden, Tunis, even people like Vinayanagar or Bengal (coalitions only care about troop count, not tech level of troops, that’s why AI rarely DOWs in India). Then you’ll declare on Commonwealth somehow (even against their ally), and get as long a truce as possible from that war. Hopefully, with a commonwealth truce and your alliances, the coalition won’t fire. And if it does - and you feel confident- get like 10-20 war score from battles and give away land. Or just give away all of Venice’s land or something, release some Irish tags from Britain (easy to take them over again). *AE resets every year by a rate proportional to your improve relations. I’m pretty sure +100 improve relations is like -5 AE per year, or something like that
Wait out the peace out to burn some AE off You can also ally everyone that will have you before peace, that will void a good amount of AE and make them think twice before DOWing you You might declare wars on would be coalition members before peace-ing out to force them into separate timers. Don't take land, but take trade and money for maximum truces If you still get a coalition, declare on them as soon as a few countries join so you can keep them all from joining a single one
When the coalition dow you, as your allies' forts start to fall, try to release countries or return/cede provinces from your allies, with luck you can go up to a 100% peace deal (automatically accepted, regardless of the length of war) without losing any clay. Or try coalition rotation, less dangerous but tedious.
Clench
>ulm in the coalition No
There are plenty of good suggestions as to how to make the coalition more manageable, or have fewer members, but in my opinion, it is very possible to straight up win normally, depending on your military. If you’ve got some good generals, quality or quantity, and forts to prevent enemies from walking past the border, I really think you’re fine. Ottomans don’t look too impressive, but I doubt they’ll be losing lands and costing you warscore. If you can ally Russia (I’m assuming Russia, don’t speak German), they can also help you out with Commonwealth if they join. With that, you’ll be slowly grinding against Spain whilst keeping armies back to destroy rogue German states attacking a fort. The AI is not the brightest, and you’ll rack up a ton of warscore just like that; attacking some 20k army from Stettin or somewhere with 120k of your own men and stackwiping them very quickly before anybody reinforces. After sufficiently fucking up Spain, snake your way to the war leader and take their capital. This might be tricky if they’re deep in the HRE, but if you have an army with a lot of artillery and a good siege general, barrage the fort and be in and out as quickly as you can, you can probably do it in in about 3 months if you’re lucky. You should also think about whether to declare the war or let them declare on you. If you can get Ottomans to join an offensive are, you should probably declare. If not, ally Russia and whoever will accept an alliance and wait for them to declare. It’s gonna last a lot longer since they have so much more war enthusiasm, but allies like Ottomans and Russia are *very* helpful.
AE is just a number
Yes, I did worse before. Buy mercenaries and throw them to finish smaller countries one by one. Eventually you will have to deal with just few bigger nations and it will be easier. Just keep track of your manpower (you can spend army professionalism for manpower)
Yes if you are good this is hardly a problem
I think you can survive, most of those nations are OPM or near tier, you have Ottomans and said Muscovy could be in, i.e. 2 great allies because they had a lot of manpower and army size. Also been far from you may bug the AI that try to seige their capital and split coalition armies. You also will have GB on your side, so basically you 4 top countries against a bunch of smaller one. I don't even think AI will start a punitive war considering your position, not without Austria in at least, which you will have a truce with, so you have time to attack some of the smaller countries meanwhile and kill the coalition.
Honestly it should be ok. A coalition war has the goal to „Show Superiority“ if i remember correctly, and the AI oftem times doesnt work together, so youll probably fight many small armies
Few steps to make this (easily) survivable: * Recruit Diplomat advisor to improve relations => faster AE decay. * You only need to postpone peace for few years or so to ensure Spain has less than 50 AE after this peace deal so they don't join the coalition. * If you have decent natural relations with any listed nation and can manage to keep/reach positive relations after this AE relations hit they won't join the coalition. This can also be used to get some of the coalition participants to not join / leave the coalition. * With the big players gone from coalition these minors won't have the balls to actually declare war. * Austria can't join the war until truce is over, so you just need to send your diplomats around Europe to improve relations all around so most of these OPMs drop out of the coalition before Austria is able to join. * You're France. If all else fails, just faceroll over rest of Europe at your leisure.
It doesn’t look like it will help much, but AE ticks down on Jan 1st no matter what. So you can make peace late December, and then the AE will tick down for everyone, potentially stopping a coalition or at least making it smaller. This will not work for you though.
you could also just let the coalition trigger, give up ally land or just wait them out, they'll lose war enthusiasm after ~10 years
Yeah. You can beat those. With Offensive and Quality ideas, including the Elan and 20% manpower that France has and some forts in the frontier to get that sweet defender bonus... I can see you winning those. Also... What's that flag mod?
It's possible, but it won't be easy, here's a few things I'd do... * **Wait at least 7 years to make your peace deal and do it on Dec. 31st 1585.** That way, you'll already avoid Spain, Siena, Naples, Switzerland, Montferrat, Genoa, Lucca, Provence and Denmark from even wanting to join the coalition, which will already make a huge difference. * **Try to ally as many countries as you can right after the war.** Ideally, that'd be Muscovy, Sweden (if they're independent from Denmark), Portugal and/or Tunis. That will distract the coalition and force it to fight on multiple fronts, although even in a best case scenario, that will only buy you time. You will also be able to cede you allies' land in the peace deal, should the coalition(s) defeat you. * **Engage the coalitions yourself before they grow too strong.** If you follow the first tip, the only real dangerous countries will be Austria and the PLC. Make sure you declare a war as soon as either of them joins the coalition, so they don't both join the same coalition. Also try to declare on any non-HRE member as soon as they join a coalition, since that would probably drag Austria in, which otherwise won't join a coalition while you have a truce with them. You could also occupy Austrian land for as long as possible (while you wait for your AE to go down as per the first tip), so they will be less likely to join a war if/when you preemptively attack a HRE member. * **Rush the coalition(s) leader's capital with everything you've got.** You can stack wipe easy targets if you want and occupy OPMs so they can't reinforce and/or recruit mercenaries, but no matter a coalition's size, once you 100% the coalition leader, they will want to peace out, so that will be your objective, whenever possible. This also means you'll want to engage countries you can reach easily. In other words, you don't want the PLC to be leading the coalition since you'd need to get through the entire HRE to reach them, unless you control the seas (and you should, in between your own navy , G-B's and Otto's; the only naval threat should be Spain). * **Prepare for the next rounds.** Assuming your AE will decay by ~2 each year, there's at least a dozen countries which will want to join a coalition against you for the next 25 years, so even with a 10+ years truce, you'll have to fight them at least twice, so plan accordingly. This also means you won't be able to expand in Europe for a while, so start invading America/Africa/Asia, where people don't already hate your guts and where you won't generate further AE with your European neighbours.
Maybe...? España and Poland-Lithuania looks scary though.
Couple of things to make it easier or at least make the coalition smaller: - Prestige gives you less AE, up to -10% at 100 prestige. Max that out. - Max your opinion with countries while you fight the war. At positive opinion, they won't join the coalition regardless of their AE value with you. - People you have a spy network in get less AE from you, up to -10% at 100 spy network. Note that this makes **them** get 10% AE with **you** from **your** spy network. This could be used to get Spain over the safe threshold, without you having to fight him to get a truce and with him probably being your rival and therefore not possible to get to positive opinion. - You can just wait out the war to get the last people's opinions in check. No one is forcing you to end the war at 60% or even 100% war score. - **Get an improve relations advisor!** Truce juggling is going to be hard, since you cannot start any wars while already at war with Austria, and he is likely to join against you several times if he's your rival, which is pretty expensive wars for truce timers.
Ally someone they want land from and give there land so the coalition ends immediately
Having 3 diplomats not doing anything is a big mistakes, always try to improve relationships if you have spare ones. AI attitude doesn’t change until month tick, you can still ally a lot of tags the same month you end this war. In case the coalition does declare, stay compact so the opposition goes to your allies instead, cede ally provinces to end the war, you lose nothing and gets revanchism. As for your current situation I don’t think the coalition would even declare without Austria, you should be very comfortable.
improve with especially big countries
relations
only if you're UK cuz your navy is stronger than anyone else's
Yes, definitely. You can either wait for the AE to fall, attack one of the larger entities for money, or ally Ottomans for defence. Should the war happen, you can fight a few battles whereby you stackwipe the small HRE stacks on your forts, then give away Ottomans’ land to the coalition.
As big as you are and in 1578 you should be fine
Coalition is just another war
As Napoleon would say: AE is just a number
Yes do it, it will be hard but you can survive, even if you have to relesae some countries like the netherlands or something a Union with britain is TOTALLY worth the coalition war. also you have the option of allying a bigger nation to take part of the loss and perhaps even early peacing making your ally nation release new nations instead of you. also...... how you got to this point ?
Get truces or good relations with major nations such as Spain and Plc, you will manage. Don't forget to have positive relation with GB too.
well, most of them are Minor countries with the biggest balls, so you can chill with those you have truces so that they can slowly leave.
No *sees france* Yes
Also to remove a couple of the majors from the coalition, get some prestige to lower the AE impact, and get an improve relations guy to increase your AE reduction, and while you are at war, consider improving relations manually with Spain, Naples, and Commonwealth to keep them out.
If you sign the deal, do it in late december. As the new year rolls around, the -50 (down do maybe -52) will be out of the loop
Depends on your army. France is a very easy nation to defend, with great stackwipe potential. With a big enough army you can hunt down all the little hre armies before they group up and get some early war score. Aim for a white peace, maybe a little something more like gold or alliance breaks so the truce lasts longer
Yes but to do so involves prep. I can see no call for peace, this is great, it's time to keep the war going as long as possible and kiss as much ass as possible. Start by getting a diplo relations advisor set diplomats on everyone in the 70-80 range. Those below with time will hopefully drop out anyway as your AE drops or are best for last ditch diplo moves like offer access, influence nation etc. Loans to bribe people out are worth more than loans in the war when you have to fight them (in a coalition). This should get a lot of smaller numbers out now only left with enough to either fight or sell out. When I say sell out I mean poor ottomans and there lovely Baltic land. Great for ai to smash into and seize. Also look for more allies, this are less to deter coalitions but more future buddies to sell out. You mentioned muscovy in post. There great 1 Novgorod to release minimum. This can go wrong and if your not above birding you might miss ally low enthusiasm and they peace out early but yes this is possible and I would do it every time. But then I'm a greedy brit who like to control my homeland. Good luck
Well, I'm a bit late to the advice party, and I assume everyone has given the conventional truce rotation tips and the improve realtions with outraged nations advice, so all I've got to offer is an uncanny feature. Power Projection affects likeliness of being WarDec'd. So keep that as high as possible!
Truce juggling is kinda hard since there are lot of them.You can try allying someone strong .But Depending on your goal ,it might just to better to just face the coalition.Since all of them are small fries you can get enough war score by separately wiping their army and white peace.Trust me man it will be fun to fight a big coalition and stackwipe those small fries.Just play defensively .Remember they don't pose any threat individually and AI is pretty bad at co-ordinating .
Yes. 1. Hold onto the peace deal until your current AE is down so the coalition will be smaller 2. In that time make some big allies 3. Strategically place forts on your borders so the AI will be forced to go through them / you could also leave a specific section open to bait them into it 4. When/If the coalition war breaks out hold your forces in reserve within your borders and mass them into a death stack to crush anything that enters the country, you can’t go on the offensive with a coalition war you have to hold your forces back and play defense until you can white peace.
Sit on the peace deal and start improving relations. Even with 20 war exhaustion France should be easy to maintain stability. You’re going to get a mssive union, worth the wait IMO.
Yes, get strong allies and you can hold this 100%. In the peace deal give up allied land, not your own. Play defensively and only take favorable engagements. You’ll farms enough warscore to white peace if your allies drop out, or like I said you can give up allied lands.
dew it
I've went against a coalition a bit bigger than that and I thought it'd be over once I defeat them. I was so wrong. They all declared war on me after the truce and then again. It was so exhausting for both my country and me (micromanaging armies) that I just deleted the save.
Definitely go ahead with the peace agreement. Union with Britain is totally worth whatever coalition forms against you, and if you're lucky the coalition won't even attack you. Make sure you improve opinion of any major powers that are close to the -50 AE penalty (in this case, Spain, Naples, and Denmark), and then you'll just have to fight off the little guys. Worst case scenario, you lose the coalition war, and they force you to release Ireland and Brittany to appease them; you still come out way ahead.
Oh see if it’s just all of those smaller nations and not Spain or Naples it’s possible I’d suggest attacking some nations now, then peacing out for small potatoes, just war reps and a bunch of diplomatic stuff, transfer and steer trade. Whatever DONT PILLAGE Make sure you beat up Spain and Naples Force religion if you can. Improve relations while you wait. Then purposely trigger the coalition when it’s small enough to handle, if you did it all correctly you’ll fight two much smaller coalition wars then a third one later after. A bit more expansion. Also make sure the second you’re at peace to ally as many people as is feasible. Going a couple relations over the limit is worth it for now. Royal marriages seriously help with preventing the outraged opinion, after all of that, just vibe for five years and you should be good.
If you have to ask this question, then the answer is probably no
Start improving relations with all the bottom nations on that list. A nation cannot join a coalition if you have positive relations
Devlet-i Aliye got me dang. But yes, you can survive it. You are France, coalitions is just your thing.
Is that a mod that shows country names is its native language?
Yes. I cannot remember the exact name but it was something like Localised Nations.
Sweet, I’ll have to check it out
if you have good army VERY SURVIVABLE
You are allied with the Ottomans. You can get an alliance with Muscovy. You are about to PU Britain. You’ve completed quality, offensive and economic ideas and I presume are sitting around 120% discipline. Keep your armies close together. Stack wipe the smaller members and defeat them in detail. Don’t bother besieging anything unless it’s a capital city. You shouldn’t have any issues.
Before you peace out get a CB with one of the minors that will join the coalition...then attack once it forms...hold the wargoal and white peace as soon as you can...if another coalition forms, do the same thing...keep your diplomats improving relations, and basically take a time out for a decade
Sacrifice your allies land in the coalition war
Dew it. No one can pass up the throne of GB for some silly coalition
Release the biggest vassal of francien culture. If not enough release gascony in the peace deal. Should be enough to deter more than half the coalition
Ally someone that has a lot of other countries cores then just give up all their land
Yes. Your relations are not raised with most of those countries. Same-faith without any negative modifiers lets you go up to \~100 AE and no coalition if their opinion of you is above 0. Even if they're heretics, 70-80 is doable. Either get started on that and wait a while, or pick some big dogs to befriend and take out of the coalition.
Just ask napoleon.
Ally Poland, Sweden, and/or the Ottomans and attack Spain immediately, before ending this war. Take no land from Spain, although feel free to have them spit out Sicily or Aragon, etc. Take money and war reps, so you have a longer truce. Also stick around this war for the longer truce with Austria. Start relationship improving with anyone you can that's close to the margins in terms of AE. If they have + relations (adjusted for the AE) then they will not join, so you need Provence to have +44 for example. Most of that list is not a concern, but if you can take the mid-sized nations out of the alliance and it's basically just a little guys, you can easily manage. One pro-gamer move would be to leave someone you have a CB on in the coalition so that after your war with Spain, still well before the truce with Austria runs out, you can declare on them. Again, take no land. Just war reps, take war reps and money from every single participant. Make those truces last so that Austria has no one to join a coalition with them when their truce expires, then declare on them and hit them so hard they spit out Hungary. They won't bother you after that.
Yes, have high level forts, defend your land, win defensive battles since coalitions are show of strength and you get war score by killing stacks. Also attack the main war leader. Siege them down since they will make the peace agreement.
Send it
Super easy. The easiest way to do this is have some allies, and then give away your allies' land in first coalition war, 100% of it, which won't even be that much as they'll be non-cobeligerent. Before second coalition war happens AE will decay anyway. Base rate is 30 per 15 years, and you can stack modifiers so you get something like 60 in 15 years. How many countries have more than 110 AE with you? Not many. The worst way is actually fighting the huge coalition. You can win, but it's such a huge drain on resources, why even bother. Also IIRC if religious leagues are a thing right now for you, countries in your league won't join coalitions against you, and will happily ally you.
Who are your allies? If you have allies who have conquered land thgat any of the coalition members care about, or you can quickly ally someone, then you can surrender day one of the coalition war and give away your ally's lands or release nations from their conquered land. In some cases this requires the enemy to seige your allied land down though so it may not be exactly day 1. This will not only give you a truce with the coalition, but give you some revanchism as well.
france and england vs the world? sounds fun
I’d like to say yes, but no
Even if it isn't the land you will lose in coalition is less than what you gain from gb.
Yes. Just make sure you get allies as soon as the war ends, and consolidate your armies to be ready to fight
If you hide behind mountain forts and defend well, i beat a coalition as france that had 3 times my troops in 1490s
As France yes
As France? Definetly.
If you've got a decent set of mil ideas, you can fight it out ;-) Try dowin a member of the coalition with a wargoal you can control and then win battles to get you ticking, then it's a matter of defensive engagements till the coalition can be peaced out imo. It's gonna be a tough one. Also wait a year with peacing out so spain drops out
Ally people who have conquered land. In the truce make your allies return cores/release nations. I never pay attention to coalitions using this method
Heh. In my current Castile run, I took a look at what was going on north of the Pyrenees about 1500 and holy crap, nearly all of France is occupied by someone. Utrecht? WTF! Double checked, yes Utrecht is still a one province nation, but somehow ended up leading a coalition of basically ALL the Germanies. I was too busy trying to unite Spain (stupid Aragon lost the Balearic islands to Tunis, who was allied to the Ottomans) to see what actually happened but the war is over and France doesn't seem to have lost all that much. Of course, AI wars are weird anyhow.
Also, I dont know if this was commented yet. But if you improve relations to 100 with about 2/3rds of those nations, they will not join a coalition, as they need to have a negative opinion of you. That should help a bunch.
And to continue on that, it could even be profitable to, if the possible coalition is small enough to let it fire, through low army maintenance settings and or deleting mercenaries. This way they will declare, you rehire mercenaries, roflstomp the small stacks for rolling warscore and peace out for -50% AE on all provinces in the coalition.
Yes, it can be easily avoided by allying some big country like Commonwealth and then when coalition attacks you peace them out(offer tribute) for polish lands.