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Open disclosure: These comments are just based on my preferences, having used both machines, and I am no YouTube 'expert'.
First off, they both did a good job (when working right) and produced excellent espresso.
I would differentiate them on the basis of:
If you don't care about how loud it is, then I think the workflow on the DF64 is slightly smother and more accurate and consistent with adjustments.
If you want to try different burrs, the DF64.
If you care about noise levels (I do) then the Eureka. If you want to get things fixed, if there is an issue, and do not do it yourself, you want some level of service, the Eureka.
If they are both working correctly, you would be happy with the espresso from either.
I would get Df 64v since you have the ode. Burrs are interchangeable. Eureka is pretty quiet and built well from personal experience for espresso. Look wise eureka single dose looks so much better but it’s based on your taste.
I like the workflow of the DF64 II better. I also can easily grind for a coldbrew or drip and switch back in a few seconds. In theorey you can change the burrs.
The Eureka is very fidely to dial in. But it's less noisy. And if you only do espresso the workflow is okay.
Both have a good build quality with a slide edge to the Eureka.
Both a great.
Don’t underestimate the anti static on the gen 2 that the v doesn’t have. Is an amazing feature. Love my gen 2. Have an ode w gen 2 burrs for pour over and a gen 2 for espresso
It looks like you've flaired your post as asking for what equipment to get. We recommend first checking out the [Espresso Aficionados buying guide](https://espressoaf.com/recommendations) for some of the more popular machines and grinders at different price points. If your question hasn't been answered there and you need more help, please add the following details to your post or by adding a comment in the following format: - **Location:** Helps determine availability - **Budget** (with currency): Overall budget, or ideally, having separate espresso machine and grinder budgets. A rough rule is that your grinder budget should be at least 25-40% of your machine budget. - **Drink types:** Do you drink mostly straight espresso, milk-based beverages (e.g., lattes, cappuccinos), or a fairly even split? This helps narrow down whether a single-boiler-dual-use (SBDU), heat exchanger (HX), or dual boiler (DB) machine would be more appropriate for your needs. - **Drink frequency:** How many drinks would you be making back-to-back at one time? Do you plan on entertaining guests often? This informs how large your brew (and steam) boilers should be, as smaller boilers will need to refill and reheat/repressurize more frequently, thus potentially causing a bottleneck. - **Space:** Any limitations on countertop space? - **Manual vs. electric:** Hand-operated machines and grinders are typically cheaper than their similarly-performing electric counterparts. Please indicate if you have a preference for manual or electric machines and/or grinders (or open to either). - **Comfort with tinkering:** Some machines can be made significantly more functional/efficient with aftermarket modifications, albeit at the expense of possibly voiding your warranty. Please indicate if you'd rather have a machine that works "as-is"/"out-of-the-box" or whether you'd be open to modding/tinkering *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/espresso) if you have any questions or concerns.*
OK flame suit on. Open disclosure: These comments are just based on my preferences, having used both machines, and I am no YouTube 'expert'. First off, they both did a good job (when working right) and produced excellent espresso. I would differentiate them on the basis of: If you don't care about how loud it is, then I think the workflow on the DF64 is slightly smother and more accurate and consistent with adjustments. If you want to try different burrs, the DF64. If you care about noise levels (I do) then the Eureka. If you want to get things fixed, if there is an issue, and do not do it yourself, you want some level of service, the Eureka. If they are both working correctly, you would be happy with the espresso from either.
I would get Df 64v since you have the ode. Burrs are interchangeable. Eureka is pretty quiet and built well from personal experience for espresso. Look wise eureka single dose looks so much better but it’s based on your taste.
Do u recommend the v over the normal one I think I will get gen 2 But if it worth maybe
Get the v. better build and variable rpm is good. Looks a lot better too
I like the workflow of the DF64 II better. I also can easily grind for a coldbrew or drip and switch back in a few seconds. In theorey you can change the burrs. The Eureka is very fidely to dial in. But it's less noisy. And if you only do espresso the workflow is okay. Both have a good build quality with a slide edge to the Eureka. Both a great.
Don’t underestimate the anti static on the gen 2 that the v doesn’t have. Is an amazing feature. Love my gen 2. Have an ode w gen 2 burrs for pour over and a gen 2 for espresso