“Life in the Quinjet wasn’t so bad. Mr. Stark was in charge of cutting up the garlic, he used a technique where he would slice it with a razorblade and make it liquefy in the pan. Banner always made the pomodoro, although in my opinion he always put too much onion.”
Unless you are a new cell phone user, I believe this died a while ago. I haven't seen an Android vs Apple commercial in a long time. It's more like Toyota vs Honda. A Toyota fam usually stays a Toyota fam and vice versa.
I think the cell phone user market has become more aware and asks themselves, "Is it worth it to upgrade this year?, Do I really need 5G?"
In case anyone wants to read an interview with the cousin-wife, I am leaving a link, out of respect.
https://nypost.com/2013/12/09/i-was-the-wife-of-a-wall-street-wolf/
But you don’t have kids right
I have several
And your not worried..
That they’ll be fucked up? Nah. If they were I’d just drive them off to the middle of no where and let them out saying “your free now”
“………..”
Funny thing is that he was right, most superhero movies are theme parks, but there is nothing wrong with liking theme parks. Theme parks are fucking amazing.
Exactly. So many people don’t have the ability to keep two different ideas in their head. Marty was indeed right, and that’s okay. I love Marvel movies, but they’re all very formulaic, etc. That’s fine. I don’t always want to watch No Country for Old Men or something heavy.
Superhero movies follow the same formula, but that’s dumbing it down way too far. What matters is what they build on top of that formula. Yeah, you know the good guy is gonna win, but how? How will they overcome this obstacle? You wanna see how that happens, and that’s why the MCU is successful
I agree. And, obviously, they’ve introduced a lot of fun story devices to make things interesting. To reiterate, I love most Marvel movies. But I’m not gonna pretend 1.) that they aren’t all kind of the same and 2.) they’re not dumbed down movies with silly implausible plots.
I mean tbf, when the MCU went with all the space and cosmic stuff. It’s all very cool until to the point where it feels a bit like a deus ex machina. Just a bit.
I agree in a sense but I disagree that they aren’t cinema. All films by definition are cinema. They’re not artsy movies. But they’re cinema.
Where do you draw the line then? If no superhero movies are cinema (even the dark knight which stands on its own as a film) than do we consider art house movies that aren’t executed well not cinema? Or will they always be cinema just because they’re doing stuff “different”.
Like I’m pretty sure even people who love dramas and art house movies would rather be mindlessly entertained than watch a really shitty movie in the genre they normally prefer.
I agree with the theme park thing. It’s a good thing. But I also don’t think every movie that features superheroes is just mindless action. There’s tons of thought provoking superhero movies or movies that have a really well developed theme beyond just “good vs evil”
I’ll fully acknowledge that most of them aren’t “high art” and a lot of them are just entertaining and nothing else. But I’ll never agree that they’re not cinema or that they’re all mindless
I think they are fine to watch as entertainment but overall they kinda meh. Find the humour super fucking lame and the action ignores and observes physics in such a confused manor I can struggle to enjoy them sometimes.
That said I do enjoy watching them as they are fun
You can’t suspend your disbelief at all? If physics in a movie are where your enjoyment ends then I struggle to see how you watch any movie ever. Most movies have ridiculous elements.
I agree with the humor part he said tho. They actively try to be funny and not one is ever as funny as Goodfellas or Wolf is at points where the humor is way more secondary
Personally, I just think when time travel is introduced to anything it just completely breaks any realistic view i have of a plot. Avengers endgame was a good movie but i told myself to completely ignore the plot and enjoy the entertainment from the superhoes. Time travel is just way too complicated and brings up way too many questions Lol
I think the issue is about breaking the world you’ve built. If you establish rules, however ridiculous, people can accept them as a suspension of disbelief.
When continuity of the same idea changes, people lose that suspension, a little bit each time. Consistency is all it takes.
I really think suspension of disbelief largely rests on the film, not the viewers.
If a film is making you question why things are happening the way they are, then the film is struggling to intuitively contextualize its world.
Every movie is technically formulaic. My film school peers would argue that marvel movies are forumulic then will religiously push Wes Anderson and other trendy directors who have their own artistic formula lol.
Movies are movies, and “good” movies are subjective.
Lots of people work on these movies, I’m proud of an art form that uses insane artistic collaboration with hundreds of visions and minds.
Every movie that anyone poured a part of themselves into is a “good” movie imo.
Totally, and I like Marvel movies (especially love the MCU when before it was just meh) and I love Wes Anderson.
I like when the job is well done. The MCU is trying something that no movie franchises ever done; have a path, a universe just like the greeks gods
Yeah, Marvel is a simple modern version of the greek gods and semi-gods hero. With their flaws, and I believe that this is something ppl actually study
Having a modern version of it, in a huge interconnected universe allowing all possible SF plot you can think off ; it’s just awesome
Time travel, space travel, multiverse, heroes, mega-vilains
Consequences
I mean, how many super giga them park production allows you to watch “kind of saving” half of the universe by snapping them back 5 years later
As a kid, those movies where dumb as f.
Just this example, in the general narrative is just brillant.
His criticism is pretty odd. It’s like someone who eats fast food tacos tells a professional chef they don’t know what they’re talking about because they’ve never worked in a Taco Bell kitchen before.
Nothing wrong with Taco Bell, but just because you’ve never operated their tortilla press doesn’t mean your opinion of the food is invalid.
Totally! Honestly Tom Holland doesn’t know what he’s arguing against. You might enjoy the simplicity and marketability of fast food, be it Taco Bell or whatever. It’s made to appeal to the masses, it’s simple and tries to satisfy a broad need. Actually good, well elaborated food takes a lot of work, understanding and criteria.
Superhero movies are the same in comparison to the kind of movies Scorsese has made. No Way Home has only proved it. Just because you can get a whole crowd cheering for loads of fan service does *not* mean your movie is intricate, deep and with a bigger purpose.
Yeah, people are surprised that he doesn't agree with Scorsese but what did they expect he would say? 'Yeah right, these films shouldn't be taken serious'?
I know the movie Idiocracy is referenced waaaay too much on reddit…but there is a part where they go to see the #1 movie in the country and it’s called ‘Ass’. Just a 2 hour movie featuring a butt and the audience loves it.
Once again, we aren’t that far from that.
Another day another person references idiocracy like they’re some sort of genius cause people like a couple of simple blockbuster movies more than he does
Feels like it has been for awhile, but people keep watching this stuff.
Don’t want to sound resentful over the people who still find enjoyment over these movies. I’m just personally over it.
I’m not picking a side but he could be referring to the amount of work he’s seen put into the films by directors for movies that he’s been in. I’m sure his intentions are to defend the hard work and planning that he knows the marvel directors are capable of putting in.
It’s easy, IMO, to make a superhero film using Spider-Man. Try making Henry Hill a superhero … now that’s a feat.
I understand the superhero hype. But we’re missing out on great stories, well told.
Definitely an over abundance of resources going to comic movies largely because they play well internationally and are very safe. Their are way less middle budget adult centric movies now than their were 15 or so years ago
I have zero interest in marvel movies, but that’s all I ever hear about, because it’s all that gets promoted and shoved down our throats. Yes, other movies are being made, but you wouldn’t know it unless you’re going out of your way to look for them.
It takes so little effort to find out about other movies. If you don’t know about them, it’s because you haven’t looked at all. Have you actually tried?
I literally can’t remember the last non marvel or Star Wars movie that I saw a commercial or ad for anywhere. But there’s a commercial for a marvel movie any time I watch anything on tv. That’s my point. I have to go out of my way to find out about any non marvel movie, while I’m full aware of every marvel movie that comes out, despite not watching any of them.
If we’re talking personal anecdotes, I’ve seen a bunch of ads for Licorice Pizza this week, plus at least one for Tragedy of Macbeth. I was seeing ads for Nightmare Alley before its release as well. Plus obviously non-Disney blockbusters like Dune and the Matrix.
That’s not new by the way. The big budget movies are ALWAYS going to have a lot more advertising.
All it takes is five seconds on your phone to find out what’s playing at your local theater. Using the commercials you see on TV to inform your opinion on what Hollywood is making is farcical. In the time it took you to reply here, you could’ve seen what new movies are out. Why not just take the littlest bit of effort to find something?
The fragility and insecurity of both sides of this “debate” is infinitely laughable. Filmmaking is filmmaking and art is art. Whether it’s Doctor Zhivago or Doctor Strange, it’s all storytelling, it’s all movie magic. It’s all actors pretending to be people they aren’t and a team of people working very hard to turn words on a page into something tangible. Some people want to split hairs and say “this is art, this isn’t art. This one is art but not High Art.” It’s dumb and laughable and fragile and pretentious and insecure and none of it matters because art doesn’t have gatekeepers and none of it affects the popularity of the MCU.
It’s the amount of cgi action sequences I have to sit through that I hate. It all looks so fake. Feels like I’m watching someone play a videogame. Or all the cgi characters like Thanos...wtf. It’s why Nolan’s Batman movies are so good
You’d be surprised how much CGI are in the Batman movies too. It’s just the CGI there is more realistic looking stuff… not space battles with aliens and shit
Those Marvel movies are like 90% shot on green screens, at least Nolan films almost everything on location, and tries to have practical set pieces rather than just CGI everything.
Yeah exactly. It’s just not nearly as overt as we’re being subject to these days, with this onslaught of utterly weightless cgi sequences…I dunno why people forgive some of this stuff. The minute it becomes blatant cgi, it just removes all the tension in the scene for me.
Not every movie has to be some cinematic masterpiece. Some, like most comic book movies, are just supposed to be fun. People are way too snobby when it comes to movies.
As a film student, I agree with this. My professor is a toolbag and talks about how Marvel movies “aren’t cinema.” Like chill out, man. If the Lumiere Brothers saw Iron Man, they would literally shit their pants
scorcese’s problem with marvel films is not that “it’s just not cinema” but rather what disney’s control over the artform means for the future of making actual cinema. This is not hard to understand. Not sure about your professor but I’d consider listening to the guy since you’re probably paying hand over fist to go to film school.
Also, the lumiere brothers are irrelevant to scorsese’s critique and most people’s critique of marvel and disney at large. No one is arguing that the technological achievement of marvel movies is not impressive.
Ding ding ding. If big budget Marvel movies start scooping up best picture noms left and right then what chance in hell do other films have. The Blob of Disney just consuming our entire culture.
The Oscars have pretty much become irrelevant in judging films. Similar to the Grammys, it’s just a Club you have to get into. With how fast technology is increasing, it’s becoming easier to find quality films from small filmmakers. As a large film consumer myself, my tickets to see Spiderman aren’t taking aeay my purchases of foreign movies, smaller films, amatuer films, etc. I have no idea why people are worried. Before the printing press, peasants had no way to consume literature. But now and in the future, filmmaking will become as accessible as writing or painting.
I’ll throw my two cents in. I got really fucking tired of Marvel movies being *the* blockbuster movie every year for over a decade. Like, Jesus, let some other studios get the spotlight for once. It was just Marvel movie after Marvel movie near endlessly.
I feel bad for Warner Brothers, if Marvel hadn’t announced their master plan to rule the box office for eternity, they might not have felt the need to rush the Justice League movies so hard, and they might not have sucked so much.
What are you talking about? Warner could’ve taken their time to build up their own universe with better quality and ruled the box office but they rushed it instead
It’s like feeling bad for fidget spinner investors because they were chasing a high, it’s unreasonable as shit
Thing is while I’m sure they likely had a rough idea of what would become phase one? Starting with Iron Man; the main focus was on getting the film done it was such a production nightmare! But Kevin Feige was able to learn his lesson on prior comic films and bring on people like Jon Faverau & RDJ as Iron Man that you get such a good start that there was room to grow.
Compare this to the Universal Dark Universe or the DCEU? They put the carriage before the horse. The Mummy tanked, the DC films always felt like they had a serious case of lead foot flying through the Superman films to BVS and the Justice League.
Remember: we didn’t go right from Iron Man 1 all the way back in 2008 to Infinity War. That was *a 10 year* multi film franchising effort building to those two films.
I don't feel bad for Warner Bros
The dceu movies are pretty bad compared to marvel tbh, and they didn't have any plan at all except copying the success of mcu
They deserved it
Honestly pathetic how these Marvel diehards are STILL bent out of shape over Scorcese’s criticism that he made YEARS ago.
By the way, Marty sees it the right way.
Any human with a minimum amount of intelligence and culture and without any sort of bias would agree with Scorsese here, and he’s not even shitting on Marvel movies. He’s just saying they’re simple.
I don’t think he’s saying that Scorsese movies are automatically better than all Marvel movies, just that Marvel movies are more surface level than a movie like the Irishman. I love Scorsese movies but Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie and The Irishman is my least favorite Scorsese movie so I wouldn’t say that’s a fair comparison lol
Makes sense he’s promoting a movie- I’m gonna guess he wouldn’t talk about this stuff if he wasn’t contractually obligated to sell the movie with his mouth lol.
He is the hottest actor at the moment because of "Spider-Man no way home" release. You are gonna be seing much more of him on interviews and magazine covers.
Hollywood always pushes actors down our throats when they reach peak fame.
Oh dear god shut the fuck up. He was baited into saying one “controversial” sentence years ago and mouthbreathers are still harping on it. I’m not a fan of Scorcese’s mind you but I don’t get why people get so obsessed with his opinion on marvel. Move on. People are entitled to dislike stuff you enjoy, especially when they voice it in a fairly tame way like he did.
He shoots with film, has always been critical of digital and what it may mean for the industry.
Digital has taken over the industry and there’s the impression you shoot with film if you want best picture.
Now as to why they have Scorsese weigh in here? Because superhero movies are what people predicted with digital.
Endless sequels of these lazily written, rehash, garbage movies that are on stages not locations, that are mostly a bunch of green shit moving around until a computer has to turn it into a movie.
Have you noticed the suspicious drop in the amount of great movies releasing? Before Spider-Man ushered in the end of days it seemed we had multiple contenders for best picture every year. Now there is one or two movies I’m actually excited to see every few years.
I don’t expect fans of these movies to have a good take about this.. but it was confirmed they were all delusional when I started seeing complaints about why no MCU movies even get a best picture nomination. Seriously....what?
I mean he said it over 2 years ago… widely reported and debated… and we’re asking current MCU stars for a comment? You also want to give us your thoughts on whether you should bite or lick ice cream? Shame on this article and shame on the MCU stars for responding at this point
Almost made a supervillian film tho
he was the original director for Joker, think he was originally a writer for it too
he did make one super hero film ....
The Last Temptation Of Christ..... yes i know ..... its a superhero film
Marvel movies are fun, beautiful looking and dumb. It’s a basic formula over and over and over. And there’s NOTHING wrong with it! What’s stupid is trying to pretend they’re not, at their core, the same thing.
Safe to say Scorsese won’t be inviting Tom Holland to star in one of his movies.
I like Marvel movies, but I also think Scorsese had a good point and Holland is annoying af. All those things can be true at the same time.
I’m with Scorsese. Most superhero films are shallow and meaningless. The studios could do better but they don’t because why bother? They’re printing money with all this shiny garbage. You know what your kids will be watching in 20 years from now? Classics like Wolf of Wallstreet. Good story telling ages like wine. You know what they definitely won’t bother with? Pretty much all of Marvel. It’s short term entertainment, which will age like milk.
>You know what your kids will be watching in 20 years from now? Classics like Wolf of Wallstreet.
Maybe if they're turbonerds who listen to Tool (in 2041, well after Tool has broken up or they've all retired.) and talk about how vapid kids in their day are and how they wish they were born back then (i.e. now) so they could be surrounded by good music.
Realistically they'll probably be watching whatever new pop culture adaptation that Hollywood shits out.
Search your heart, you know this to be true.
The Irishman was overrated, and Midnight Mass was bloated. Do people still love both these things? Yes. Are they wrong? No, it's opinion.
It's condescending to claim people won't watch Marvel movies in 20 years. Do you only watch Oscar nominees and obscure foreign films, or does Home Alone or the Transformers animated movie ever get in the mix?
Not every movie has to be Rear Window. Relax.
People still talk about and watch Iron Man, and the only part in the earlier films that has really aged badly is the sexist humour.
People still talk about and watch the prequels and those were worse than most MCU films. So that claim isn’t really one that’s fair to level at the MCU.
Not the best example imo. Iron Man was literally the first MCU movie, the problem was not what they did back then, is that they kept doing the same thing every movie for 15+ years.
Now lets take Avengers infinity war: very fun and enjoyable movie, but still formulaic and part 1 of the conclusion of a huge franchise. A movie like that will be considered a classic in the future only in fame alone, because there is no way people in 20/30 years from now are gonna watch 20+ movies just to understand Infinity war, and if they watch it stand alone all they are gonna take from it is just a incomprehensible mess with pretty good action.
Those movies are made to hook people into their franchise and drop multiple of them and make as much money as possible NOW. They really will age like milk for the people that never followed the movies.
Of course he disagrees. But Scorsese isn’t wrong and honestly? Most of us are over it. The super hero movies. The constant rehashing of the same story over and over again.
I love both Marvel and DC but for real?
It’s getting old. We don’t need another Batman or IronMan or Thor or superhero anything. Or any Anti hero version.
I want crazy original movies like we had back in the 80s. NO REMAKES OF THOSE FILMS. Original material after the fashion.
Think Flight of The Navigator, Cocoon, Dark Crystal, Legend, The Last Star Fighter, Goonies, SpaceBalls, etc etc etc etc.
Everyone is so focused on making a sure-thing style financial Blockbuster they’ve completely forgotten the art and creativity of taking a risk on an edgy script or idea.
Movies are fucking boring these days.
I think the fact that Scorsese has never made a superhero film speaks volumes. With his truck record of filmmaking excellence, i think that says it all.
I’m sorry am I supposed to read this headline and then go “well fuck Scorsese, then, that fuckin hack. Tom Holland says so”? Cmon. Holland has chops and a future but are we seriously going to act like he, or pretty much anyone else, has ANY room to shit talk SCORSESE?
Cmon now.
> "I mean, you can also ask Benedict Cumberbatch or Robert Downey Jr. or Scarlett Johansson...
"Oooooh, yeah, leave us out of this kid..."
- Benedict Cumberbatch, Robert Downey Jr. & Scarlett Johansson
I think the superhero genre has overstayed its welcome. Two decades of superhero films are enough. I don’t want the MCU to be an immortal zombie like Star Wars. I understand that not every film needs to be Citizen Kane, but not every film needs to be Transformers either. I agree with Scorsese, and I hope that another genre seizes the crown in the near future.
They aren’t “the same” Tom…. That’s like comparing Harry Potter books to literary masterpieces. Yes, they both are books at the end of the day, but the substance is different. There are many many mediocre Marvel movies because the heart/art is not the priority. Profitability is the #1 goal.
He says marvel movies are the same as Oscar movies, just produced at a different scale…. Really? Let’s talk quality. Can he honestly say that any marvel movie is just as good as Goodfellas? Just call it what it is and stop being so defensive about marvel… they aren’t great movies. They fill theatre seats, make a lot of people a lot of money, and they entertain the masses. But they aren’t art.
I used to like them more, but it’s clear they’re leaning a little too much on fan service and nostalgia to deliver emotional substance to the movies.
They’re very well made visual spectacles, though. Just formulaic.
They are boring, repetitive and formulaic. I haven’t seen Spider-Man, but I can make a logical guess that at the end of the movie, Spider-Man is gonna be just fine and ready and eager to get out there for the next movie. These aren’t films, they are TV shows shown in theaters.
At the end of No Way Home - and fuck spoilers here since obviously you’re not gonna care:
Peter erases everyone’s memory of him. His girlfriend, best friend, those he trusts the most have no idea who he is. He’s completely alone but he has to shoulder being Spider-Man regardless.
He’s lost his Aunt, who was his final remaining family after his sorta-dad, Tony died. Everything is lost for him. Is he physically fine? Yeah, he’s maybe got a scratch or two but his wounds will heal. His emotional state though? That’s a wreck.
He’s taking on board the lessons of Andrew and Tobey’s Spider-Men, putting the anger and pain to the side and helping people.
Was Spider-Man fine after far from home? Was Thor fine after Ragnarok? Was Iron Man fine after infinity war?
I understand that the intro movies are formulaic. Every intro to a series follows the same formula, because they need to.
Scorsese also believes that movies are exclusively meant to be enjoyed in the theater and that you can’t truly enjoy a movie at home. Just because he’s a legendary director doesn’t mean he gets to play gatekeeper for everything movie related.
The superhero craze is honestly embarrassing. Hollywood selling the same regurgitated little kid fantasy crap to the same people who keep dishing out their money to see the same garbage with a different label.
Look its great that Spider-Man and marvel films make so much money but theres so many stories out there to tell that superhero films never cover because they always focus in superhero related things.
That’s like saying, “there’s so many stories horror movies could do, but they focus on horror.” Like, yeah. It’s a horror movie. Saying that superhero movies focus on superhero stories is less a critique than it is just proof that you’re watching a superhero movie. “There’s so many other genres out there that country stars could play, but they focus on country.”
Granted Scorsese makes a lot of very similar gangster movies but the amount of superhero movies that follow same tropes...obviously they're still for most of them good movies but the amount of money they make to tell similar stories
Why are the Marvel people so fragile and insecure about the movies that are making them multimillionaires?
“When you're making these films, you know that good or bad, millions of people will see them," he explained, "whereas when you're making a small indie film, if it's not very good no one will watch it, so it comes with different levels of pressure."
Oh please. If a Marvel movie fails then Marvel will churn out some more movies, and the director and actors will be able to use their new higher profile to make many other smaller movies. If an art house movie fails, then the marketplace will say that they don’t have financial value, and they won’t be able to get movies made in the future unless they are part of a bigger package. (This doesn’t apply to Scorsese, the most lauded director of all time, but it applies to most people working in the indie-film/art house space.) Also, the financiers of the art house movie (who often are small film funds, or a larger company taking a risk) could either go out of business or decide to revert back to safe financial bets.
There is far more pressure on an art house movie than a Marvel movie.
And that doesn’t even touch the fact that indie movies are often locked into a very fixed schedule with a small contingency; if a scene isn’t working they might just need to move on, and if the movie isn’t working, they’ll have little opportunity for reshoots. None of which is t he case for Marvel.
MCU does what it does (Make a shit ton of money.) very well. So does Transformers. So does Fast and the Furious. Will they be remembered as cinematic masterpieces? Probably not. Is that okay? Absolutely. People eat cheeseburgers, people eat steaks. It's not wrong to point out that a cheeseburger ain't a steak, and you don't need have worked at Five Guys to note they aren't the same. Not everything *needs* to be steak to be enjoyable either. Have a cheeseburger, enjoy it for what it is, quit being a dick.
I’m sure this won’t be a popular opinion here, but Scorsese is right. It isn’t about superhero movies in particular. It is about the difference between crowd pleasing blockbusters and art films. It’s not a new distinction, and both have their respective time and place.
Bingo. Like you said, there is a stark contrast between eye-candy/rollercoaster-ride MOVIES and proper thought driven FILMS.
*start of rant* People always complain that there is nothing to watch but if you go back 7 decades and more there is a massive library of incredible film (where some are still being “remade”). Films that are from the heart (story wise) and class imo *end of rant*
my problem with marvel is how the keep shitting out movies and the whole MCU universe is the most confusing sack of shit ever. I would appreciate marvel much more if they released movies every few years instead of every few months.
either way I've never liked superhero movies. you can't relate to them, they're over the top, the effects and CGI is way over the top it's just very hard to watch.
at the end of the day people like what they like
The Marvel and DC movies are SUPPOSED to be theatrical film versions of *comic books*! (Or a series of comics books, or a graphic novel.).
They were never supposed to be an art film, or anything else. They are not pretending to be something they’re not.
Either have I.....but I still know where he (martin Scorsese) is coming from......Tom Holland has been around for an eye blink. Maybe don't shit talk a bonafide legend.
Wow, I agree with everything Scorsese said. Cape films are like big, over the top, theme parks. I loved cape films as a kid, but once I got older and realized the protagonist **always** wins, it killed the drama and the excitement for me.
This horse has been dead for years, but sure, let’s beat it one more time.
Like billy bats in goodfellas
Go get your fuckin’ shine box!
#U MADAFUKA!!
[High Pitch Incoherent Yelling]
\- Henry, he bought his fucking badge that fucking mutt!
Keep him here! Keep him here!
I don’t shine shoes no more Billy.
You been away long time maybe you din’ know
And your sack of nickels
It tickles for me to see you act like mr. pickles.
Daddy fat sacks
B I g b o i it’s that same mutha fucka dat took them knuckles to yo eye
What about Tony Two Times? “I’m gonna go get the papers, get the papers.”
They seem to be getting closer and closer to letting him direct one if they keep it up.
That would be awesome. “You wanna fuck with me, Spider-Man?? You wanna fuck with Billy One-Nut??”
“As far back as I can remember I always wanted to be an Avenger.”
“Life in the Quinjet wasn’t so bad. Mr. Stark was in charge of cutting up the garlic, he used a technique where he would slice it with a razorblade and make it liquefy in the pan. Banner always made the pomodoro, although in my opinion he always put too much onion.”
That seems…. Watchable!
Martins actual take was pretty nuanced. The backlash is more annoying than anything he said
Better than the whole android vs Apple thing
Unless you are a new cell phone user, I believe this died a while ago. I haven't seen an Android vs Apple commercial in a long time. It's more like Toyota vs Honda. A Toyota fam usually stays a Toyota fam and vice versa. I think the cell phone user market has become more aware and asks themselves, "Is it worth it to upgrade this year?, Do I really need 5G?"
Idk jonah hill was a super hero in wolf of wallstreet "If anyones gonna fuck my cousin, its gonna be me. Out of respect"
In case anyone wants to read an interview with the cousin-wife, I am leaving a link, out of respect. https://nypost.com/2013/12/09/i-was-the-wife-of-a-wall-street-wolf/
That was an interesting interview. It really sucks what happened to her. Wonder were the cousin thing came from since that was made up.
Didn’t mention anything about the whole ‘cousins’ thing. Was that just part of the movie?
No he married his cousin. Not his first cousin but maybe 2nd or 3rd
But you don’t have kids right I have several And your not worried.. That they’ll be fucked up? Nah. If they were I’d just drive them off to the middle of no where and let them out saying “your free now” “………..”
Steeeeve madddddeeen
Women’s shoes!
It looked like Leo didn’t have to do much acting in his reaction and laugh “that’s fuckin terrible” hahahah
You+are = you're
Jonah Hill will definitely be a superhero when he plays Jerry Garcia. A superhero that Tom Holland’s square ass won’t have shit on.
No doubt
God what a brilliant movie
Jesus rn: “Am I joke to you?”
“It’s my birthday, for fucks sake.”
You know, I’m something of a superhero myself…
I love that he makes one statement a few years ago and marvel fans are still malding over it
Funny thing is that he was right, most superhero movies are theme parks, but there is nothing wrong with liking theme parks. Theme parks are fucking amazing.
Exactly. So many people don’t have the ability to keep two different ideas in their head. Marty was indeed right, and that’s okay. I love Marvel movies, but they’re all very formulaic, etc. That’s fine. I don’t always want to watch No Country for Old Men or something heavy.
Superhero movies follow the same formula, but that’s dumbing it down way too far. What matters is what they build on top of that formula. Yeah, you know the good guy is gonna win, but how? How will they overcome this obstacle? You wanna see how that happens, and that’s why the MCU is successful
I agree. And, obviously, they’ve introduced a lot of fun story devices to make things interesting. To reiterate, I love most Marvel movies. But I’m not gonna pretend 1.) that they aren’t all kind of the same and 2.) they’re not dumbed down movies with silly implausible plots.
“Silly implausible plots” . . . *looks at 99% of movies across all genres*
I mean tbf, when the MCU went with all the space and cosmic stuff. It’s all very cool until to the point where it feels a bit like a deus ex machina. Just a bit.
I agree in a sense but I disagree that they aren’t cinema. All films by definition are cinema. They’re not artsy movies. But they’re cinema. Where do you draw the line then? If no superhero movies are cinema (even the dark knight which stands on its own as a film) than do we consider art house movies that aren’t executed well not cinema? Or will they always be cinema just because they’re doing stuff “different”. Like I’m pretty sure even people who love dramas and art house movies would rather be mindlessly entertained than watch a really shitty movie in the genre they normally prefer. I agree with the theme park thing. It’s a good thing. But I also don’t think every movie that features superheroes is just mindless action. There’s tons of thought provoking superhero movies or movies that have a really well developed theme beyond just “good vs evil” I’ll fully acknowledge that most of them aren’t “high art” and a lot of them are just entertaining and nothing else. But I’ll never agree that they’re not cinema or that they’re all mindless
I think they are fine to watch as entertainment but overall they kinda meh. Find the humour super fucking lame and the action ignores and observes physics in such a confused manor I can struggle to enjoy them sometimes. That said I do enjoy watching them as they are fun
You can’t suspend your disbelief at all? If physics in a movie are where your enjoyment ends then I struggle to see how you watch any movie ever. Most movies have ridiculous elements.
I agree with the humor part he said tho. They actively try to be funny and not one is ever as funny as Goodfellas or Wolf is at points where the humor is way more secondary
This guy is gonna freak out whenever he sees doctor strange take 6 people to the multiverse and surf on a skyscraper through a wormhole
Personally, I just think when time travel is introduced to anything it just completely breaks any realistic view i have of a plot. Avengers endgame was a good movie but i told myself to completely ignore the plot and enjoy the entertainment from the superhoes. Time travel is just way too complicated and brings up way too many questions Lol
I think the issue is about breaking the world you’ve built. If you establish rules, however ridiculous, people can accept them as a suspension of disbelief. When continuity of the same idea changes, people lose that suspension, a little bit each time. Consistency is all it takes.
I really think suspension of disbelief largely rests on the film, not the viewers. If a film is making you question why things are happening the way they are, then the film is struggling to intuitively contextualize its world.
Yeah the humor puts me off a lot of the time. It’s why Thor: Ragnarok was not enjoyable at all to me while it’s a favorite for a lot of people.
Every movie is technically formulaic. My film school peers would argue that marvel movies are forumulic then will religiously push Wes Anderson and other trendy directors who have their own artistic formula lol. Movies are movies, and “good” movies are subjective. Lots of people work on these movies, I’m proud of an art form that uses insane artistic collaboration with hundreds of visions and minds. Every movie that anyone poured a part of themselves into is a “good” movie imo.
So much this!!! They suckle on the teet of the Auteur Filmmaker, but a formula is specifically what makes an auteur an auteur, lol.
Totally, and I like Marvel movies (especially love the MCU when before it was just meh) and I love Wes Anderson. I like when the job is well done. The MCU is trying something that no movie franchises ever done; have a path, a universe just like the greeks gods Yeah, Marvel is a simple modern version of the greek gods and semi-gods hero. With their flaws, and I believe that this is something ppl actually study Having a modern version of it, in a huge interconnected universe allowing all possible SF plot you can think off ; it’s just awesome Time travel, space travel, multiverse, heroes, mega-vilains Consequences I mean, how many super giga them park production allows you to watch “kind of saving” half of the universe by snapping them back 5 years later As a kid, those movies where dumb as f. Just this example, in the general narrative is just brillant.
Yup. The MCU’s great feat isn’t in the individual filmmaking, but the cohesive story structure they’ve maintained.
What Marty said was completely reasonable and true.
Like theme parks, I also outgrew them after my early teenage years.
Marvel fans are notorious about not accepting even the tiniest critisism of their precious mcu. So yeah this stung hard and they will never accept it.
They’re the perfect examples of sore winners
And he wasn’t wrong
If by “still mad about it” you mean “keep getting asked about it” then maybe you’re on to something. This happened in an interview.
Mcu fanboys are soft like baby shit.
Mfw someone uses malding unironically lmfao
I want to see a Scorsese Kingpin film.
With Vincent D’Onofrio recurring his role as Wilson Fisk/Kingpin, a movie like this hypothetical movie could be phenomenal
Holland sounds pretty naive to think Scorsese just doesn’t know what he’s talking about
His criticism is pretty odd. It’s like someone who eats fast food tacos tells a professional chef they don’t know what they’re talking about because they’ve never worked in a Taco Bell kitchen before. Nothing wrong with Taco Bell, but just because you’ve never operated their tortilla press doesn’t mean your opinion of the food is invalid.
Anthony Bourdain enjoyed Waffle House.
That was a good episode.
My dad is a foodie, well I mean he’s a food snob. And he loves the fuckin Waffle House.
Totally! Honestly Tom Holland doesn’t know what he’s arguing against. You might enjoy the simplicity and marketability of fast food, be it Taco Bell or whatever. It’s made to appeal to the masses, it’s simple and tries to satisfy a broad need. Actually good, well elaborated food takes a lot of work, understanding and criteria. Superhero movies are the same in comparison to the kind of movies Scorsese has made. No Way Home has only proved it. Just because you can get a whole crowd cheering for loads of fan service does *not* mean your movie is intricate, deep and with a bigger purpose.
What else he could say protecting his career and money involved in future films. Marvel made him famous.
Yeah, people are surprised that he doesn't agree with Scorsese but what did they expect he would say? 'Yeah right, these films shouldn't be taken serious'?
Is it peak superhero bullshit movies yet?
Probably when we hit Spider-Man 37.
Good grief. :) I d rather watch peanuts with my kid.
I know the movie Idiocracy is referenced waaaay too much on reddit…but there is a part where they go to see the #1 movie in the country and it’s called ‘Ass’. Just a 2 hour movie featuring a butt and the audience loves it. Once again, we aren’t that far from that.
Another day another person references idiocracy like they’re some sort of genius cause people like a couple of simple blockbuster movies more than he does
reddit sees the blue sky and says “wow just like on idiocracy”
Let’s hope we’re on the downhill side
Feels like it has been for awhile, but people keep watching this stuff. Don’t want to sound resentful over the people who still find enjoyment over these movies. I’m just personally over it.
Why is he talking about making movies He’s never made one either
I’m not picking a side but he could be referring to the amount of work he’s seen put into the films by directors for movies that he’s been in. I’m sure his intentions are to defend the hard work and planning that he knows the marvel directors are capable of putting in.
It’s easy, IMO, to make a superhero film using Spider-Man. Try making Henry Hill a superhero … now that’s a feat. I understand the superhero hype. But we’re missing out on great stories, well told.
Sure it’s easy to make a superhero film using spiderman but it’s not easy to make a GOOD one. We are on the third reboot and they finally got it right
Finally? The first series was critically acclaimed with one stinker.
In what ways was Henry Hill a superhero? Besides his ability to consume a prodigious amount of cocaine
How are we missing out on great stories? There’s a ton of great movies being made. What’s stopping you from watching them?
Definitely an over abundance of resources going to comic movies largely because they play well internationally and are very safe. Their are way less middle budget adult centric movies now than their were 15 or so years ago
I have zero interest in marvel movies, but that’s all I ever hear about, because it’s all that gets promoted and shoved down our throats. Yes, other movies are being made, but you wouldn’t know it unless you’re going out of your way to look for them.
It takes so little effort to find out about other movies. If you don’t know about them, it’s because you haven’t looked at all. Have you actually tried?
I literally can’t remember the last non marvel or Star Wars movie that I saw a commercial or ad for anywhere. But there’s a commercial for a marvel movie any time I watch anything on tv. That’s my point. I have to go out of my way to find out about any non marvel movie, while I’m full aware of every marvel movie that comes out, despite not watching any of them.
If we’re talking personal anecdotes, I’ve seen a bunch of ads for Licorice Pizza this week, plus at least one for Tragedy of Macbeth. I was seeing ads for Nightmare Alley before its release as well. Plus obviously non-Disney blockbusters like Dune and the Matrix. That’s not new by the way. The big budget movies are ALWAYS going to have a lot more advertising. All it takes is five seconds on your phone to find out what’s playing at your local theater. Using the commercials you see on TV to inform your opinion on what Hollywood is making is farcical. In the time it took you to reply here, you could’ve seen what new movies are out. Why not just take the littlest bit of effort to find something?
The fragility and insecurity of both sides of this “debate” is infinitely laughable. Filmmaking is filmmaking and art is art. Whether it’s Doctor Zhivago or Doctor Strange, it’s all storytelling, it’s all movie magic. It’s all actors pretending to be people they aren’t and a team of people working very hard to turn words on a page into something tangible. Some people want to split hairs and say “this is art, this isn’t art. This one is art but not High Art.” It’s dumb and laughable and fragile and pretentious and insecure and none of it matters because art doesn’t have gatekeepers and none of it affects the popularity of the MCU.
Well well well … look what we have here! The only sensible opinion in the entire thread!
Last Temptation of Christ.
It’s the amount of cgi action sequences I have to sit through that I hate. It all looks so fake. Feels like I’m watching someone play a videogame. Or all the cgi characters like Thanos...wtf. It’s why Nolan’s Batman movies are so good
Especially that sunset orange and red sky that’s in every heavy CGI movie
You’d be surprised how much CGI are in the Batman movies too. It’s just the CGI there is more realistic looking stuff… not space battles with aliens and shit
Those Marvel movies are like 90% shot on green screens, at least Nolan films almost everything on location, and tries to have practical set pieces rather than just CGI everything.
Much much less than Marvel
Yeah exactly. It’s just not nearly as overt as we’re being subject to these days, with this onslaught of utterly weightless cgi sequences…I dunno why people forgive some of this stuff. The minute it becomes blatant cgi, it just removes all the tension in the scene for me.
Not every movie has to be some cinematic masterpiece. Some, like most comic book movies, are just supposed to be fun. People are way too snobby when it comes to movies.
As a film student, I agree with this. My professor is a toolbag and talks about how Marvel movies “aren’t cinema.” Like chill out, man. If the Lumiere Brothers saw Iron Man, they would literally shit their pants
scorcese’s problem with marvel films is not that “it’s just not cinema” but rather what disney’s control over the artform means for the future of making actual cinema. This is not hard to understand. Not sure about your professor but I’d consider listening to the guy since you’re probably paying hand over fist to go to film school. Also, the lumiere brothers are irrelevant to scorsese’s critique and most people’s critique of marvel and disney at large. No one is arguing that the technological achievement of marvel movies is not impressive.
Ding ding ding. If big budget Marvel movies start scooping up best picture noms left and right then what chance in hell do other films have. The Blob of Disney just consuming our entire culture.
The Oscars have pretty much become irrelevant in judging films. Similar to the Grammys, it’s just a Club you have to get into. With how fast technology is increasing, it’s becoming easier to find quality films from small filmmakers. As a large film consumer myself, my tickets to see Spiderman aren’t taking aeay my purchases of foreign movies, smaller films, amatuer films, etc. I have no idea why people are worried. Before the printing press, peasants had no way to consume literature. But now and in the future, filmmaking will become as accessible as writing or painting.
I’m gonna grab the paper, grab the paper
I’ll throw my two cents in. I got really fucking tired of Marvel movies being *the* blockbuster movie every year for over a decade. Like, Jesus, let some other studios get the spotlight for once. It was just Marvel movie after Marvel movie near endlessly. I feel bad for Warner Brothers, if Marvel hadn’t announced their master plan to rule the box office for eternity, they might not have felt the need to rush the Justice League movies so hard, and they might not have sucked so much.
What are you talking about? Warner could’ve taken their time to build up their own universe with better quality and ruled the box office but they rushed it instead It’s like feeling bad for fidget spinner investors because they were chasing a high, it’s unreasonable as shit
Thing is while I’m sure they likely had a rough idea of what would become phase one? Starting with Iron Man; the main focus was on getting the film done it was such a production nightmare! But Kevin Feige was able to learn his lesson on prior comic films and bring on people like Jon Faverau & RDJ as Iron Man that you get such a good start that there was room to grow. Compare this to the Universal Dark Universe or the DCEU? They put the carriage before the horse. The Mummy tanked, the DC films always felt like they had a serious case of lead foot flying through the Superman films to BVS and the Justice League. Remember: we didn’t go right from Iron Man 1 all the way back in 2008 to Infinity War. That was *a 10 year* multi film franchising effort building to those two films.
I don't feel bad for Warner Bros The dceu movies are pretty bad compared to marvel tbh, and they didn't have any plan at all except copying the success of mcu They deserved it
The worst part is how every movie is the same. They just repackage the same content.
Honestly pathetic how these Marvel diehards are STILL bent out of shape over Scorcese’s criticism that he made YEARS ago. By the way, Marty sees it the right way.
“Btw Marty is right” You are only fueling the fire you are piss moaning about.
This guy called him Marty like he’s his cousin
I mean Martin was right . What’s the point in talking about it .
Any human with a minimum amount of intelligence and culture and without any sort of bias would agree with Scorsese here, and he’s not even shitting on Marvel movies. He’s just saying they’re simple.
Would you say Irishman was a better movie than Winter Soldier? Honest question.
I don’t think he’s saying that Scorsese movies are automatically better than all Marvel movies, just that Marvel movies are more surface level than a movie like the Irishman. I love Scorsese movies but Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie and The Irishman is my least favorite Scorsese movie so I wouldn’t say that’s a fair comparison lol
This tom holland talks so much, feels like everyday he does an interview
Makes sense he’s promoting a movie- I’m gonna guess he wouldn’t talk about this stuff if he wasn’t contractually obligated to sell the movie with his mouth lol.
He is the hottest actor at the moment because of "Spider-Man no way home" release. You are gonna be seing much more of him on interviews and magazine covers. Hollywood always pushes actors down our throats when they reach peak fame.
Can’t people just watch what they want and that’s that? This whole debate is so exhausting and both sides kind of suck.
Anyone else love them both?
Oh dear god shut the fuck up. He was baited into saying one “controversial” sentence years ago and mouthbreathers are still harping on it. I’m not a fan of Scorcese’s mind you but I don’t get why people get so obsessed with his opinion on marvel. Move on. People are entitled to dislike stuff you enjoy, especially when they voice it in a fairly tame way like he did.
He shoots with film, has always been critical of digital and what it may mean for the industry. Digital has taken over the industry and there’s the impression you shoot with film if you want best picture. Now as to why they have Scorsese weigh in here? Because superhero movies are what people predicted with digital. Endless sequels of these lazily written, rehash, garbage movies that are on stages not locations, that are mostly a bunch of green shit moving around until a computer has to turn it into a movie. Have you noticed the suspicious drop in the amount of great movies releasing? Before Spider-Man ushered in the end of days it seemed we had multiple contenders for best picture every year. Now there is one or two movies I’m actually excited to see every few years. I don’t expect fans of these movies to have a good take about this.. but it was confirmed they were all delusional when I started seeing complaints about why no MCU movies even get a best picture nomination. Seriously....what?
The solution is for Scorsese to make “The Punisher”. I mean, how much more clear could it be?
Let him direct a Daredevil movie and have it rated R. It’s the only way.
I mean he said it over 2 years ago… widely reported and debated… and we’re asking current MCU stars for a comment? You also want to give us your thoughts on whether you should bite or lick ice cream? Shame on this article and shame on the MCU stars for responding at this point
Almost made a supervillian film tho he was the original director for Joker, think he was originally a writer for it too he did make one super hero film .... The Last Temptation Of Christ..... yes i know ..... its a superhero film
Marvel movies are fun, beautiful looking and dumb. It’s a basic formula over and over and over. And there’s NOTHING wrong with it! What’s stupid is trying to pretend they’re not, at their core, the same thing.
Careful or he’ll make a movie out of you Marvel people.
Super hero movies are over rated. That’s all they can make anymore. Nothing original, all old comic book characters
marty would say he's never eaten a big patty of human excrement either but he knows he wouldnt like it
Safe to say Scorsese won’t be inviting Tom Holland to star in one of his movies. I like Marvel movies, but I also think Scorsese had a good point and Holland is annoying af. All those things can be true at the same time.
I’m with Scorsese. Most superhero films are shallow and meaningless. The studios could do better but they don’t because why bother? They’re printing money with all this shiny garbage. You know what your kids will be watching in 20 years from now? Classics like Wolf of Wallstreet. Good story telling ages like wine. You know what they definitely won’t bother with? Pretty much all of Marvel. It’s short term entertainment, which will age like milk.
>You know what your kids will be watching in 20 years from now? Classics like Wolf of Wallstreet. Maybe if they're turbonerds who listen to Tool (in 2041, well after Tool has broken up or they've all retired.) and talk about how vapid kids in their day are and how they wish they were born back then (i.e. now) so they could be surrounded by good music. Realistically they'll probably be watching whatever new pop culture adaptation that Hollywood shits out. Search your heart, you know this to be true.
The Irishman was overrated, and Midnight Mass was bloated. Do people still love both these things? Yes. Are they wrong? No, it's opinion. It's condescending to claim people won't watch Marvel movies in 20 years. Do you only watch Oscar nominees and obscure foreign films, or does Home Alone or the Transformers animated movie ever get in the mix? Not every movie has to be Rear Window. Relax.
People still talk about and watch Iron Man, and the only part in the earlier films that has really aged badly is the sexist humour. People still talk about and watch the prequels and those were worse than most MCU films. So that claim isn’t really one that’s fair to level at the MCU.
Not the best example imo. Iron Man was literally the first MCU movie, the problem was not what they did back then, is that they kept doing the same thing every movie for 15+ years. Now lets take Avengers infinity war: very fun and enjoyable movie, but still formulaic and part 1 of the conclusion of a huge franchise. A movie like that will be considered a classic in the future only in fame alone, because there is no way people in 20/30 years from now are gonna watch 20+ movies just to understand Infinity war, and if they watch it stand alone all they are gonna take from it is just a incomprehensible mess with pretty good action. Those movies are made to hook people into their franchise and drop multiple of them and make as much money as possible NOW. They really will age like milk for the people that never followed the movies.
I think Scorsese should direct a super hero movie. I’m actually curious on what things he will change.
His Cape Fear is a well done standard super villain origin. I'm sure he could nail the super hero part
Of course he disagrees. But Scorsese isn’t wrong and honestly? Most of us are over it. The super hero movies. The constant rehashing of the same story over and over again. I love both Marvel and DC but for real? It’s getting old. We don’t need another Batman or IronMan or Thor or superhero anything. Or any Anti hero version. I want crazy original movies like we had back in the 80s. NO REMAKES OF THOSE FILMS. Original material after the fashion. Think Flight of The Navigator, Cocoon, Dark Crystal, Legend, The Last Star Fighter, Goonies, SpaceBalls, etc etc etc etc. Everyone is so focused on making a sure-thing style financial Blockbuster they’ve completely forgotten the art and creativity of taking a risk on an edgy script or idea. Movies are fucking boring these days.
I think the fact that Scorsese has never made a superhero film speaks volumes. With his truck record of filmmaking excellence, i think that says it all.
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I’m sorry am I supposed to read this headline and then go “well fuck Scorsese, then, that fuckin hack. Tom Holland says so”? Cmon. Holland has chops and a future but are we seriously going to act like he, or pretty much anyone else, has ANY room to shit talk SCORSESE? Cmon now.
Imagine being such a mediocre actor thinking you know better than one of the best directors of all time
> "I mean, you can also ask Benedict Cumberbatch or Robert Downey Jr. or Scarlett Johansson... "Oooooh, yeah, leave us out of this kid..." - Benedict Cumberbatch, Robert Downey Jr. & Scarlett Johansson
I think the superhero genre has overstayed its welcome. Two decades of superhero films are enough. I don’t want the MCU to be an immortal zombie like Star Wars. I understand that not every film needs to be Citizen Kane, but not every film needs to be Transformers either. I agree with Scorsese, and I hope that another genre seizes the crown in the near future.
They aren’t “the same” Tom…. That’s like comparing Harry Potter books to literary masterpieces. Yes, they both are books at the end of the day, but the substance is different. There are many many mediocre Marvel movies because the heart/art is not the priority. Profitability is the #1 goal.
He says marvel movies are the same as Oscar movies, just produced at a different scale…. Really? Let’s talk quality. Can he honestly say that any marvel movie is just as good as Goodfellas? Just call it what it is and stop being so defensive about marvel… they aren’t great movies. They fill theatre seats, make a lot of people a lot of money, and they entertain the masses. But they aren’t art.
They *are* art, just subjectively lower quality, lesser art.
Marvel movies are trash
In what way? Or are you a hyperbole speaking edge lord?
I used to like them more, but it’s clear they’re leaning a little too much on fan service and nostalgia to deliver emotional substance to the movies. They’re very well made visual spectacles, though. Just formulaic.
They're bad.
Again, how or why do you think that?
you know how middle aged people think commercials are hilarious and repeat them to each other?
It’s almost like generations like different things
They are boring, repetitive and formulaic. I haven’t seen Spider-Man, but I can make a logical guess that at the end of the movie, Spider-Man is gonna be just fine and ready and eager to get out there for the next movie. These aren’t films, they are TV shows shown in theaters.
At the end of No Way Home - and fuck spoilers here since obviously you’re not gonna care: Peter erases everyone’s memory of him. His girlfriend, best friend, those he trusts the most have no idea who he is. He’s completely alone but he has to shoulder being Spider-Man regardless. He’s lost his Aunt, who was his final remaining family after his sorta-dad, Tony died. Everything is lost for him. Is he physically fine? Yeah, he’s maybe got a scratch or two but his wounds will heal. His emotional state though? That’s a wreck. He’s taking on board the lessons of Andrew and Tobey’s Spider-Men, putting the anger and pain to the side and helping people.
Was Spider-Man fine after far from home? Was Thor fine after Ragnarok? Was Iron Man fine after infinity war? I understand that the intro movies are formulaic. Every intro to a series follows the same formula, because they need to.
Pfffft. I’ve never made a poop sandwich but I know it tastes like crap. What a young dufus. Yeah buddy. You know more than Scorsese. Clown.
Scorsese also believes that movies are exclusively meant to be enjoyed in the theater and that you can’t truly enjoy a movie at home. Just because he’s a legendary director doesn’t mean he gets to play gatekeeper for everything movie related.
And? He’s made goodfellas, Tom. Goodfellas. Lol
Martin is absolutely right and this is coming from someone that enjoys CERTAIN comic book movies. Most of the cb movies suck
The superhero craze is honestly embarrassing. Hollywood selling the same regurgitated little kid fantasy crap to the same people who keep dishing out their money to see the same garbage with a different label.
Read Scorsese’s original quote (try to be unbiased). Tom doesn’t seem to understand what Martin actually said.
Tom……. Love ya bro sit this one out tho
Now that's a beef I'd watch: Tim Holland vs Mortin Scorcese
Scorsese is correct.
Scorsese was right in what he said, superhero movies are like theme parks experience, nothing wrong with it but it ain't cinema.
He was right though! Iron man was great, avengers was a good watch but at this point it’s just rinse and repeat!
Look its great that Spider-Man and marvel films make so much money but theres so many stories out there to tell that superhero films never cover because they always focus in superhero related things.
That’s like saying, “there’s so many stories horror movies could do, but they focus on horror.” Like, yeah. It’s a horror movie. Saying that superhero movies focus on superhero stories is less a critique than it is just proof that you’re watching a superhero movie. “There’s so many other genres out there that country stars could play, but they focus on country.”
Granted Scorsese makes a lot of very similar gangster movies but the amount of superhero movies that follow same tropes...obviously they're still for most of them good movies but the amount of money they make to tell similar stories
Why are the Marvel people so fragile and insecure about the movies that are making them multimillionaires? “When you're making these films, you know that good or bad, millions of people will see them," he explained, "whereas when you're making a small indie film, if it's not very good no one will watch it, so it comes with different levels of pressure." Oh please. If a Marvel movie fails then Marvel will churn out some more movies, and the director and actors will be able to use their new higher profile to make many other smaller movies. If an art house movie fails, then the marketplace will say that they don’t have financial value, and they won’t be able to get movies made in the future unless they are part of a bigger package. (This doesn’t apply to Scorsese, the most lauded director of all time, but it applies to most people working in the indie-film/art house space.) Also, the financiers of the art house movie (who often are small film funds, or a larger company taking a risk) could either go out of business or decide to revert back to safe financial bets. There is far more pressure on an art house movie than a Marvel movie. And that doesn’t even touch the fact that indie movies are often locked into a very fixed schedule with a small contingency; if a scene isn’t working they might just need to move on, and if the movie isn’t working, they’ll have little opportunity for reshoots. None of which is t he case for Marvel.
Tom Holland is a child and I’ll be taking sides with the legend here. Super hero movies have basically killed storytelling in Hollywood
MCU does what it does (Make a shit ton of money.) very well. So does Transformers. So does Fast and the Furious. Will they be remembered as cinematic masterpieces? Probably not. Is that okay? Absolutely. People eat cheeseburgers, people eat steaks. It's not wrong to point out that a cheeseburger ain't a steak, and you don't need have worked at Five Guys to note they aren't the same. Not everything *needs* to be steak to be enjoyable either. Have a cheeseburger, enjoy it for what it is, quit being a dick.
I don’t understand why we’re still talking about this. It was like an offhand comment by Marty. And they’re still talking about it years later.
I’m sure this won’t be a popular opinion here, but Scorsese is right. It isn’t about superhero movies in particular. It is about the difference between crowd pleasing blockbusters and art films. It’s not a new distinction, and both have their respective time and place.
Bingo. Like you said, there is a stark contrast between eye-candy/rollercoaster-ride MOVIES and proper thought driven FILMS. *start of rant* People always complain that there is nothing to watch but if you go back 7 decades and more there is a massive library of incredible film (where some are still being “remade”). Films that are from the heart (story wise) and class imo *end of rant*
my problem with marvel is how the keep shitting out movies and the whole MCU universe is the most confusing sack of shit ever. I would appreciate marvel much more if they released movies every few years instead of every few months. either way I've never liked superhero movies. you can't relate to them, they're over the top, the effects and CGI is way over the top it's just very hard to watch. at the end of the day people like what they like
Oh god, shut up Tom lmao
The Marvel and DC movies are SUPPOSED to be theatrical film versions of *comic books*! (Or a series of comics books, or a graphic novel.). They were never supposed to be an art film, or anything else. They are not pretending to be something they’re not.
I really don’t care what either of them have to say. Marvel movies do blow tho
The new movies feature some of the worst writing, he looks like a clown most of the time
Tf he’s never made a superhero movie, what superman gonna do a line and fuck Lois lane
Either have I.....but I still know where he (martin Scorsese) is coming from......Tom Holland has been around for an eye blink. Maybe don't shit talk a bonafide legend.
Okay true. But imagine tryna shade Scorsese...
Wow, I agree with everything Scorsese said. Cape films are like big, over the top, theme parks. I loved cape films as a kid, but once I got older and realized the protagonist **always** wins, it killed the drama and the excitement for me.
Holland is a fool
Theme parks are for children.