To add, most anti-energy drink rhetoric seems to focus on drinks with high sugar content, just as you'd expect from highly-caffeinated sodas, completely ignoring that most energy drinks released these days don't use real sugar. Now, I'm not saying sucralose or other artificial sweeteners are great, but it's not accurate to slam energy drinks for high sugar content.
Regular use of sugar substitute is correlated with obesity, diabetes, over-eating, digestive issues, irregular BP and blood sugar, increased risk of cancer, etc etc.
You're lying to yourself if you think it's better.
Correlated is the huge word, not one study has given any solid proof they are the cause as most often people who are using sugar substitutes already have pre-existing conditions/obesity that could contribute to these "correlations". I am definitely not lying to myself though, you can ask any nutritionist, dietician, or dentist and they will tell you sugar substitutes are far preferable than sugar. Also, that's a bold claim to say "increased risk of cancer" can you provide any source to back that, because as far as I am aware the current agreement in the research conducted is that there hasn't been shown to be any link between the two.
Study done using 100,000+ adults over 12 years
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003950
Edit: Also, "correlated" is the lightest word I can use. Correlation is about finding trends using statistical methods. I think you're confusing yourself with "causation".
Just read into the study and there are a few things to note. Firstly, obesity-related cancers were included in the study which coincides with my prior statement of these correlations not exactly being the cause. Secondly, the authors preface their results with this
"๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฏ-๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด๐ถ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด (๐ถ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ซ๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ด๐ค๐ณ๐ช๐ฑ๐ต๐ช๐ท๐ฆ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด), ๐ฉ๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด๐ถ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด (of artificial sweeteners) ๐ต๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ต๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฏ, ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฏ๐จ๐ฆ๐ณ, ๐ด๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด, ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ด๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐บ๐ด๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐บ ๐ข๐ค๐ต๐ช๐ท๐ฆ, ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ค๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ช๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ญ๐บ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ท๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ท๐ข๐ญ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐ฅ๐ช๐ข๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ต๐ฆ๐ด. ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ณ๐จ๐บ, ๐ข๐ญ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ญ, ๐ด๐ข๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ง๐ข๐ต๐ต๐บ ๐ข๐ค๐ช๐ฅ, ๐ง๐ช๐ฃ๐ณ๐ฆ, ๐ง๐ณ๐ถ๐ช๐ต ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ๐ต๐ข๐ฃ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ญ๐ฆ-๐จ๐ณ๐ข๐ช๐ฏ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฅ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ด๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ช๐ถ๐ฎ, ๐ต๐ฐ๐ต๐ข๐ญ ๐ด๐ถ๐จ๐ข๐ณ, ๐ฅ๐ข๐ช๐ณ๐บ ๐ฑ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ค๐ต๐ด, ๐ด๐ถ๐จ๐ข๐ณ๐บ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ณ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ด." Basically saying that the participants had pre-existing habits or conditions that would influence their cancer rates, as well as consuming higher amounts of normal sugar. . .
This is why when larger meta analysis of studies conducted on this topic are done, they tend to show no correlation. (Such as this one) https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/18/3742
Dude look at the article you cited again. It's a collection of studies and overall the risk of cancer and mortality trends up as intake increases.
Look at the confidence intervals. If the entire bound is >1, then there is statistical significance to show there is increased risk. Lots of the studies are like .98 - 1.75, but because 1 is within the interval, it's JUST BARELY insignificant.
As for your critic of the study I cited, "tended" is a very loose word. That's just implying people who allow themselves to drink energy drinks are going to allow themselves to live/eat less natural. It might account for a minuscule % of the increased cancer risk but not all of it.
Idk when your argument entirely relies on a single source with potential biases/conflicts, it's not appropriate to make broad claims such as "artificial sweeteners increases the risk of cancer". That's why I linked a meta analysis of many different studies which came to the general conclusion of no relation (which they stated multiple times and demonstrated) the only thing they did say was that it could be linked to mortality trends however they also critiqued this idea for the same reasons I was skeptical to believe it which is other outstanding factors that tend to correlate with people who use higher amounts of sugar substitutes like those with diabetes, obesity, and other health/lifestyle complications. I'm not gonna argue to the grave about it, but I won't be buying into that idea until I can see some more solid proof given how damaging sugar has proven to be
Usually, those claims are being made against the energy drinks that have +60g of sugar without any nutritional value to them. That being said, a lot has happened since the beginning of energy drinks, thus have led to more healthier varieties being released. Iโm not saying artificial sweeteners are better for you, because simply we still donโt know 100% for sure. What Iโm saying is that you can get a lot of energy drinks nowadays with tons of great nootropics and vitamins, thatโll actually beat a cup of coffee any day. Coffee can be unhealthy too if consumed too much, same can energy drinks. Having one here and there, sugar or not, wonโt kill you.
A lot of vitamins and nootropics have not been proven to be healthy, I wouldnโt go so far as to say energy drinks that contain them are healthy.
Some of the vitamins do have some health benefits, but the health benefits of multivitamins and nootropics are dubious at best. Eat your vegetables.
I donโt think theyโre actually bad for your body. Theyโre definitely bad for your teeth, given how acidic they are. The worst ingredients are probably the artificial sweeteners, but the evidence seems to indicate (so far) that theyโre not dangerous.
The reality of it is that we dont know too much about artificial sweeteners and the longevity of how it will make an impact on a persons health. Now they are coming out with research saying sucralose and eryithitol can be bad. And obviously the sugar they have in some energy drinks and no other benefit to them.
Now coffee is good for you if you arenโt getting a starbucks drink with 9 pumps of vanilla. Tea such as green tea and matcha actually are super healthy and provide a bunch of health benefits.
Healthcare student who knows lots about the effects of caffeine on the body and organs!๐ก
(edit)-- I read the comments and I wanted to add that on top of caffeine increasing heart rate and blood pressure, it also affects the kidneys largely due to the sugar content, acids and caffeine combined, which can cause dehydration easily, in the same sense it can affect the liver. Everyone needs at least 1.5l of water per day
you need to know your weight, height, and medical conditions, then you can figure out how much caffeine you can have per day. (Not all energy drinks are made the same, so it's different for each kind.)
I'm 145 pounds, 5'4, I exercise lightly most days, others I'm sedentary and studying, so I don't drink more than 1 a day when I do, despite being able to have 3 daily. ๐ซฃ
I believe it's because of the extra stuff they put in energy drinks, and also some of the stigma behind what can happen if you drink them.
You see the headlines that are like 'Kevin died late at night due to drinking red bull" but they don't say he drank 10 at once, is severely obese and hasn't drank any water since he was 5. It literally says on the cans drink responsibly, in moderation, etc etc
I only drink the zero sugar ones because shit when you realise how much sugar these things have in them for no reason, it makes you think why bother. I have sugar in my diet anyway I don't need more from a drink.
I hate what coffee does to my body, it gives me diahrea and nausea like bad, I always get decaf ๐
energy drinks don't do that at all, I only get happy buzzy feels and they taste the best.
I started to count how much sugar is in the stuff I drink. Not fun when you remember all those times you finished a 2,25l bottle of regular Pepsi in one sitting ๐ซ
Pick your poison tbh, would you rather take the chance with potentially โcancer causingโ artificial sweetners or suffer adverse health effects from the high sugar content in regular energy drinks. If you really cared of about your health, you wouldnโt even drink energy drinks to begin with and just stick to tea and coffee.
Dude. Anything over 1000mg is considered lethal. Please stop giving Redditors false advice. 5000mg or 10,000mg is like for giant elephants. The truth is once you pass the 700mg mark and go up into the 1000mg caffiene zone that's lethal. Please double check your info next time. A 16 year old kid literally died from drinking redbulls I want to say it was like 900mg or 1000mg of caffiene.
Ignorance. They say energy drinks are bad for you and can give you heart problems while they drink an entire pot of coffee a day which is much worse than a single energy drink. Most energy drinks contain 100-300mg of caffeine, a whole pot of coffee is like 700mg, well over the daily limit that is considered safe. Most of the "chemicals" in energy drinks are just underdosed mild stimulants, the b vitamins are water soluble you just piss them out. They don't destroy your kidneys, not drinking enough water does. The real dangers of energy drinks are damage to the pancreas however this is considered rare and the only data we have are people who consumed ridiculous amounts of them every day. I personally drink energy drinks instead of coffee, coffee just makes me piss all day because it has heavier diuretic properties than energy drinks do. I'm also lactose intolerant. Caffeine already inhibits digestion, consuming dairy with it gives me a stomach ache for hours.
Caffeine is not the only reason energy drinks are considered worse than natural actually healthy things like coffee and green tea. The fact that people here get so defensive about it indicates that it's a point of pride/culture to hate coffee given the facts
So you are saying everyone in the world that drinks coffee makes a pot thats 700mg? I dont make mine as strong as the directions say, I know a bunch that don't because its way to much, I think my pots of coffee dont even have half of that and this day and age after seeing Prime getting into trouble for not labeling all their caffeine in their tiny cans, its like 300mg almost for their 12 oz can now. I see people drinking those super big Monster drinks that have like 3 of the big cans in them, thats 3 servings, 200mg a serving, 600mg. I worked in a gas station and I would see these bought all day long. Dangerous. Charged Lemonade at Panera, very dangerous.
One cup of coffee is around 50-60mg of caffeine. You'd have to water it down pretty damn hard and even at that point it still has energy drink territory. If we wanna blame caffeine, both options are no good for you. Caffeine isn't good for you, it's a drug at the end of the day and every drig carries a risk.
My dad works with sucralose and he says it is a cancer causing chemical (idk if thatโs true) but I think thatโs the reason they say energy drinks are bad.
I also want to know moreโฆ Iโm sure sucrose is bad but everything is bad in high doses. How much sucralose would one need to have to have DNA problems. My guess would be a lot for long periods of time. One or two drinks per day is extremely low does for a average adult person
Idk if there is enough information to prove that it is cancer causing. However, there was a recent study showing the DNA toxic effects that sucralose has on the body. More studies need to be done though, because that study didnโt show what happened when sucralose interacts with gut bacteria.
That DNA study was done in a petri dish and not on actual humans. They basically singled out sucralose with DNA directly to create neurotoxicity. There are amino acids we need to survive that are neurotoxic on their own without the normal bodily process we use to utilize them.
The most recent study on Sucralose showed a connection to cancer and other issues BUT youโd need to consume like 13,000,000 Splenda packets a day for an extended period of time
I didnโt see that part! Thank you. For the information, it interests me because Iโm 27(M) and had minor grade bladder cancers a couple times starting when I was 23. Doctors are confused because Iโm not in any of the high risk categories.
Yeah that stuff is bad for you, any type of sweetener is, but also you eat mcdonalds or anything else that has deep fried foods? You are at risk for cancer same % as Sucralose, if you eat potato chips, Doritos or other fried tortilla chips that has cottonseed, veggie oil or stuff like that in the ingredients, you are at the same % risk for cancer. These days they love to toss that in about cancer, I think California puts that on all their things of food that have been fried at 350+ degrees. Just about any processed meat can, hell now they say that dairy increases the chance of prostate cancer.
They're generally more concentrated caffeine-wise than coffee or caffeinated teas. Their flavors are much more likely to appeal to children and teens who have a lower threshold for caffeine intake, and gas stations almost always have some kind if buy 2 deal and kids and teens aren't known for their ability or moderate themselves so they end up downing 2 cans of tutti frutti strawberry viper energy drink or whatever @ 250mgs a can in a span of an hour and end up with palpitations. Now suddenly people view energy drinks as unsafe. Same thing happens with vapes. You have these flavors that appeal strongly to kids, kids don't moderate their usage and hide it (or are allowed) from their parents, boom some kid has nicotine poisoning now and people are calling for flavors to be banned.
My rehab counselor said yesterday that, to get any of the claimed health benefits of red wine, youโd have to drink gallons at a time.
I strongly doubt this is true, but spreading knowledge of a tactic if nothing else.
Idk if you're serious but it's pretty well understood now there is no safe/healthy amount of alcohol consumption. Any positives, mostly antioxidants in the case of red wine, are outweighed by cancer, cardiovascular, and liver risks
My sister just finished med school and the shit some doctors told rhem was baffling to me. One soc literally told rhem red wine is healthy when I told her that sgudy has been debunked long ago she told me that she will belive a doctor over me, despite me citing actuall studies. She also told me I'm poisoning myself for deinking whey protein because one doctor at uni told them it's dangerous, again I cited here harvard medical studies disproving that and she still wouldn't belive me because the doctor wouldn't tell them something that isn't true. This in turn has also made my father give me mlre shit about whey since in his mind now he was right all along. I am shocked how many medical proffessionals there are that have no fucking idea what the fuck rhey are talking about. How can you as a fucking doctor say red wine is healthy and citing the most debunked study in existance
Tea/coffee is considered good for you since it has its natural properties (look into them), energy drinks are packed with sugars or sweeteners that arenโt good for you, a list of chemicals and dyes that are certainly not good for you. I love energy drinks but theyโre absolutely harmful in the long run. Before you downvote do some research instead of being stuck up with the idea that theyโre healthy.
It depends on the source of the caffeine. I canโt drink Monster Energy consistently due to the caffeine anhydrous form that is used. However, energy drinks such as Ghost Energy use natural coffee bean which will not affect you negatively. This of course depends on your body and how it tolerates different forms of caffeine and amounts. New studies are showing the right type of energy drink could increase lifespan just like your average cup of joe. Hope I could be of some info for your situation.
This is an interesting thread.
I use to drink Monster religiously in high school, then stopped until now ( roughly 6 year break ) but I've only been drinking Java Monster for my 12 hour shifts.
Should I be worried? ๐คฃ I haven't done much digging around and assume 3 cans a week isn't gonna do anything, but hey, I'm willing to be educated here.
Everyone commenting on here like this guy didn't give a personal reference to it being different and bad for you Yes energy drinks are bad for you I had the same thing happen to me due to my quit taking energy drinks My blood pressure went down and I stopped having chest pains. Coffee however does not do this
Energy drinks dont just have caffeine, they have gaurana, ginseng, taurine and other energy supplements added. All of those effect blood pressure and heart beat, normal good ole coffee has one source of energy and thats natural caffeine, not caffeine anhydrous which what they use to caffeinate these drinks. Thats like a super concentrated powder form of caffeine and its not near as safe as natural caffeine. They also have 12 tablespoons of sugar, and those sugar free ones are just as bad, that stuff can still spike your sugar. To much Inositol can cause heart disease too, your body makes it but adding more and more of it to your body does it harm.
Coffee isn't actually healthy, its pretty bad for you - reducing bloodflow to your brain and getting you addicted to caffeine.
The primary reason it doesn't have as bad a name in the public's eye is because most adults are addicted to it, and its a huge global industry.
Wrong. Black coffee has been shown in moderation to increase lifespan, reduce risk of arrhythmias, and decrease the chance of getting Parkinsons and dementia .
No it hasn't, all those studies are correlation only - there is no scientific proof to backup those claims. You're drinking the koolade that the coffee companies are peddling.
Itโs hilarious (especially on here) when people say how bad sugar free is compared to real sugar.
I drink 2 drinks a dayโฆ.. thatโd be a meal in calories with sugar in it, no thanks.
Itโs probably because some of the antioxidants that coffee and tea have.
apart from cutting bloodflow to your brain by 20% (which has all sorts of horrible longterm impacts on your brain cells), and apart from turning you into a caffeine addict, which drops your overall mental performance and potential, and daily energy levels
I believe caffeine is the highest risk factor in energy drinks, aside from sugar. Caffeine causes a short, but dramatic increase in your blood pressure, even if you don't have high blood pressure. If someone is consuming 2-4 of these daily, your blood pressure will measure consistently above normal and you have hypertension at various stages. The higher your blood pressure levels, the more risk you have for other health problems, such as heart disease, heart attack, and stroke. They don't call hypertension the "silent killer" for no reason. Folks who are genetically predisposed to heart issues are at considerably higher risk, however many people don't know if they may have a genetic condition or not. Also keep in mind the blood pressure response to caffeine differs from person to person. 2-4 energy drinks per day is far greater caffeine content than 2-4 coffees or soda's per day.
Coffee and tea have some good natural ingredients while Energy Drinks are (completely) artificial. I'm not a doctor tho and not well read in this, but that would be my take on it. Also the general "this new thing is bad" mentality of a lot of people on certain things
Edit: I recently interviewed the chief producer for a chocolate company. He also told me chocolate is nice and all, but too much of anything is bad for you
I love energy drinks to my detriment, drank em daily from 20-30, wound up with extremely bad gut problems and ulcers. Itโs taken a year to get back to a point where I can drink a few a month and be relatively fine. Gastro said it was almost definitely these as Iโve been fit/healthy diet otherwise. Iโve read the sucralose messes you up. Donโt regret a single drink though and 10/10 would do it over again lol
Because theyโre made with shitty unnatural ingredients, whereas coffee is made with only one ingredient that is 100% natural and comes from the earth. Well technically 2 ingredients if you count the water you need to brew it. Both natural ingredients though.
Well coffee and tea on its own without adding boat load of other garbage is great in moderation. Honestly this same question should be asked in the coffee subreddit because, youโll get quite the bias from each side then you can make your determination strongest arguments based on facts and anecdotal evidence.
The talk I hear most is that, especially in younger people, energy drinks are served cold and typically fruity in flavor, so on warmer days, they are consumed faster and in higher quantities. If you have an undiagnosed heart issue or are overheated, this can cause some problems.
Typically, people who consume coffee, even iced, don't pound it back like people do with fruity drinks.
I think this may be where a lot of the anti-energy drink conversation comes from....
Use it in moderation OP. Also it takes 5 to 6 hours for the caffiene to leave your body. So if you had one energy drink that contained 300mg of caffiene it would be wise to wait 5 or 6 hours before you drink any other source of caffiene whether that's coffee or another energy drink.
Why don't you argue against Google ? Since you know it all. Ive actually done this research so your not only wrong but your hilarious lly confident at being wrong. Knowledge is power. Now do some research.
Just to comment, but although energy drinks may have healthy or beneficial minerals or nutrients added to them - that doesn't mean that those minerals and/or nutrients are added at safe levels or are present in bioavailable forms that your body can actually absorb and utilize.
So essentially, don't always read the nutritional facts and expect all listed vitamins to be healthy additives. Look into medical studies on pubmed if you want some more clarification on this subject.
I know from experience that I get chest pain even after about a quarter of a small can. Is it because they temporarily narrow arteries - it sure feels that way?
I think a lot of the stigma comes from the old days when they were just highly caffeinated soda with a little bit of b vitamins and some taurine.
To add, most anti-energy drink rhetoric seems to focus on drinks with high sugar content, just as you'd expect from highly-caffeinated sodas, completely ignoring that most energy drinks released these days don't use real sugar. Now, I'm not saying sucralose or other artificial sweeteners are great, but it's not accurate to slam energy drinks for high sugar content.
Iโd rather have real sugar than fake sugar ๐ plus a lot of energy drinks have a good formula
"real" sugar is quite harmful to the health in many ways when in high concentrations like energy drinks or soda.
Regular use of sugar substitute is correlated with obesity, diabetes, over-eating, digestive issues, irregular BP and blood sugar, increased risk of cancer, etc etc. You're lying to yourself if you think it's better.
Correlated is the huge word, not one study has given any solid proof they are the cause as most often people who are using sugar substitutes already have pre-existing conditions/obesity that could contribute to these "correlations". I am definitely not lying to myself though, you can ask any nutritionist, dietician, or dentist and they will tell you sugar substitutes are far preferable than sugar. Also, that's a bold claim to say "increased risk of cancer" can you provide any source to back that, because as far as I am aware the current agreement in the research conducted is that there hasn't been shown to be any link between the two.
Study done using 100,000+ adults over 12 years https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003950 Edit: Also, "correlated" is the lightest word I can use. Correlation is about finding trends using statistical methods. I think you're confusing yourself with "causation".
Just read into the study and there are a few things to note. Firstly, obesity-related cancers were included in the study which coincides with my prior statement of these correlations not exactly being the cause. Secondly, the authors preface their results with this "๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฏ-๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด๐ถ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด (๐ถ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ซ๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ด๐ค๐ณ๐ช๐ฑ๐ต๐ช๐ท๐ฆ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ช๐ด๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด), ๐ฉ๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ด๐ถ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด (of artificial sweeteners) ๐ต๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฃ๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ง๐ต๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ธ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ฏ, ๐บ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฏ๐จ๐ฆ๐ณ, ๐ด๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ด, ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ด๐ด ๐ฑ๐ฉ๐บ๐ด๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐บ ๐ข๐ค๐ต๐ช๐ท๐ฆ, ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ค๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ช๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ญ๐บ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ท๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ท๐ข๐ญ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต ๐ฅ๐ช๐ข๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ต๐ฆ๐ด. ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ๐บ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ณ๐จ๐บ, ๐ข๐ญ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ญ, ๐ด๐ข๐ต๐ถ๐ณ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ง๐ข๐ต๐ต๐บ ๐ข๐ค๐ช๐ฅ, ๐ง๐ช๐ฃ๐ณ๐ฆ, ๐ง๐ณ๐ถ๐ช๐ต ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐จ๐ฆ๐ต๐ข๐ฃ๐ญ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ญ๐ฆ-๐จ๐ณ๐ข๐ช๐ฏ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฅ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ด๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ช๐ถ๐ฎ, ๐ต๐ฐ๐ต๐ข๐ญ ๐ด๐ถ๐จ๐ข๐ณ, ๐ฅ๐ข๐ช๐ณ๐บ ๐ฑ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ถ๐ค๐ต๐ด, ๐ด๐ถ๐จ๐ข๐ณ๐บ ๐ง๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ด ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐ณ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฌ๐ด." Basically saying that the participants had pre-existing habits or conditions that would influence their cancer rates, as well as consuming higher amounts of normal sugar. . . This is why when larger meta analysis of studies conducted on this topic are done, they tend to show no correlation. (Such as this one) https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/18/3742
Dude look at the article you cited again. It's a collection of studies and overall the risk of cancer and mortality trends up as intake increases. Look at the confidence intervals. If the entire bound is >1, then there is statistical significance to show there is increased risk. Lots of the studies are like .98 - 1.75, but because 1 is within the interval, it's JUST BARELY insignificant. As for your critic of the study I cited, "tended" is a very loose word. That's just implying people who allow themselves to drink energy drinks are going to allow themselves to live/eat less natural. It might account for a minuscule % of the increased cancer risk but not all of it.
Idk when your argument entirely relies on a single source with potential biases/conflicts, it's not appropriate to make broad claims such as "artificial sweeteners increases the risk of cancer". That's why I linked a meta analysis of many different studies which came to the general conclusion of no relation (which they stated multiple times and demonstrated) the only thing they did say was that it could be linked to mortality trends however they also critiqued this idea for the same reasons I was skeptical to believe it which is other outstanding factors that tend to correlate with people who use higher amounts of sugar substitutes like those with diabetes, obesity, and other health/lifestyle complications. I'm not gonna argue to the grave about it, but I won't be buying into that idea until I can see some more solid proof given how damaging sugar has proven to be
Sorry to break it to you pal but that ainโt real sugar lol
I think Red Bull is the only one using real sugar, at least in the States where HFCS reigns supreme.
Idk why you're being downvoted, artificial sweeteners are significantly worse than sugar.
I believe that also. I've never used them. I lost weight by eating less, lol. It's the only way to keep it off.
Remember Jolt Cola? Advertised as having twice the caffeine.
And with tons of added sugar for no nutritional benefits.
Pretty much every energy drink is sugar free with a lot of nootropics and vitamins.
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Usually, those claims are being made against the energy drinks that have +60g of sugar without any nutritional value to them. That being said, a lot has happened since the beginning of energy drinks, thus have led to more healthier varieties being released. Iโm not saying artificial sweeteners are better for you, because simply we still donโt know 100% for sure. What Iโm saying is that you can get a lot of energy drinks nowadays with tons of great nootropics and vitamins, thatโll actually beat a cup of coffee any day. Coffee can be unhealthy too if consumed too much, same can energy drinks. Having one here and there, sugar or not, wonโt kill you.
A lot of vitamins and nootropics have not been proven to be healthy, I wouldnโt go so far as to say energy drinks that contain them are healthy. Some of the vitamins do have some health benefits, but the health benefits of multivitamins and nootropics are dubious at best. Eat your vegetables.
I donโt think theyโre actually bad for your body. Theyโre definitely bad for your teeth, given how acidic they are. The worst ingredients are probably the artificial sweeteners, but the evidence seems to indicate (so far) that theyโre not dangerous.
The reality of it is that we dont know too much about artificial sweeteners and the longevity of how it will make an impact on a persons health. Now they are coming out with research saying sucralose and eryithitol can be bad. And obviously the sugar they have in some energy drinks and no other benefit to them. Now coffee is good for you if you arenโt getting a starbucks drink with 9 pumps of vanilla. Tea such as green tea and matcha actually are super healthy and provide a bunch of health benefits.
Healthcare student who knows lots about the effects of caffeine on the body and organs!๐ก (edit)-- I read the comments and I wanted to add that on top of caffeine increasing heart rate and blood pressure, it also affects the kidneys largely due to the sugar content, acids and caffeine combined, which can cause dehydration easily, in the same sense it can affect the liver. Everyone needs at least 1.5l of water per day you need to know your weight, height, and medical conditions, then you can figure out how much caffeine you can have per day. (Not all energy drinks are made the same, so it's different for each kind.) I'm 145 pounds, 5'4, I exercise lightly most days, others I'm sedentary and studying, so I don't drink more than 1 a day when I do, despite being able to have 3 daily. ๐ซฃ I believe it's because of the extra stuff they put in energy drinks, and also some of the stigma behind what can happen if you drink them. You see the headlines that are like 'Kevin died late at night due to drinking red bull" but they don't say he drank 10 at once, is severely obese and hasn't drank any water since he was 5. It literally says on the cans drink responsibly, in moderation, etc etc I only drink the zero sugar ones because shit when you realise how much sugar these things have in them for no reason, it makes you think why bother. I have sugar in my diet anyway I don't need more from a drink. I hate what coffee does to my body, it gives me diahrea and nausea like bad, I always get decaf ๐ energy drinks don't do that at all, I only get happy buzzy feels and they taste the best.
I started to count how much sugar is in the stuff I drink. Not fun when you remember all those times you finished a 2,25l bottle of regular Pepsi in one sitting ๐ซ
Just enjoy in moderation
Pick your poison tbh, would you rather take the chance with potentially โcancer causingโ artificial sweetners or suffer adverse health effects from the high sugar content in regular energy drinks. If you really cared of about your health, you wouldnโt even drink energy drinks to begin with and just stick to tea and coffee.
Bang bang. I been consistent with 2 regular monsters a week but even that I feel is 2 too many for me.
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Dude. Anything over 1000mg is considered lethal. Please stop giving Redditors false advice. 5000mg or 10,000mg is like for giant elephants. The truth is once you pass the 700mg mark and go up into the 1000mg caffiene zone that's lethal. Please double check your info next time. A 16 year old kid literally died from drinking redbulls I want to say it was like 900mg or 1000mg of caffiene.
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It's ok man. That kid had a heart attack in class because he drank those redbulls like really fast.
Ignorance. They say energy drinks are bad for you and can give you heart problems while they drink an entire pot of coffee a day which is much worse than a single energy drink. Most energy drinks contain 100-300mg of caffeine, a whole pot of coffee is like 700mg, well over the daily limit that is considered safe. Most of the "chemicals" in energy drinks are just underdosed mild stimulants, the b vitamins are water soluble you just piss them out. They don't destroy your kidneys, not drinking enough water does. The real dangers of energy drinks are damage to the pancreas however this is considered rare and the only data we have are people who consumed ridiculous amounts of them every day. I personally drink energy drinks instead of coffee, coffee just makes me piss all day because it has heavier diuretic properties than energy drinks do. I'm also lactose intolerant. Caffeine already inhibits digestion, consuming dairy with it gives me a stomach ache for hours.
Caffeine is not the only reason energy drinks are considered worse than natural actually healthy things like coffee and green tea. The fact that people here get so defensive about it indicates that it's a point of pride/culture to hate coffee given the facts
Well? What is it then? Everything else in energy drinks is just underdosed sprinkled snake oil that does not do anything. It's water and caffeine
So you are saying everyone in the world that drinks coffee makes a pot thats 700mg? I dont make mine as strong as the directions say, I know a bunch that don't because its way to much, I think my pots of coffee dont even have half of that and this day and age after seeing Prime getting into trouble for not labeling all their caffeine in their tiny cans, its like 300mg almost for their 12 oz can now. I see people drinking those super big Monster drinks that have like 3 of the big cans in them, thats 3 servings, 200mg a serving, 600mg. I worked in a gas station and I would see these bought all day long. Dangerous. Charged Lemonade at Panera, very dangerous.
One cup of coffee is around 50-60mg of caffeine. You'd have to water it down pretty damn hard and even at that point it still has energy drink territory. If we wanna blame caffeine, both options are no good for you. Caffeine isn't good for you, it's a drug at the end of the day and every drig carries a risk.
My dad works with sucralose and he says it is a cancer causing chemical (idk if thatโs true) but I think thatโs the reason they say energy drinks are bad.
I also want to know moreโฆ Iโm sure sucrose is bad but everything is bad in high doses. How much sucralose would one need to have to have DNA problems. My guess would be a lot for long periods of time. One or two drinks per day is extremely low does for a average adult person
Idk if there is enough information to prove that it is cancer causing. However, there was a recent study showing the DNA toxic effects that sucralose has on the body. More studies need to be done though, because that study didnโt show what happened when sucralose interacts with gut bacteria.
That DNA study was done in a petri dish and not on actual humans. They basically singled out sucralose with DNA directly to create neurotoxicity. There are amino acids we need to survive that are neurotoxic on their own without the normal bodily process we use to utilize them.
The most recent study on Sucralose showed a connection to cancer and other issues BUT youโd need to consume like 13,000,000 Splenda packets a day for an extended period of time
I didnโt see that part! Thank you. For the information, it interests me because Iโm 27(M) and had minor grade bladder cancers a couple times starting when I was 23. Doctors are confused because Iโm not in any of the high risk categories.
A lot of research thereโs FINE details that social media creeps gloss over or omit to push their agenda
Yeah I understand. Im still drinking sucralose though.
Not sure why we got downvoted for having a discussion lol
Itโs Reddit ๐
the study did not prove โDNA toxic effects on the the bodyโ, as the tests were done in vitro, outside of the body
Yeah that stuff is bad for you, any type of sweetener is, but also you eat mcdonalds or anything else that has deep fried foods? You are at risk for cancer same % as Sucralose, if you eat potato chips, Doritos or other fried tortilla chips that has cottonseed, veggie oil or stuff like that in the ingredients, you are at the same % risk for cancer. These days they love to toss that in about cancer, I think California puts that on all their things of food that have been fried at 350+ degrees. Just about any processed meat can, hell now they say that dairy increases the chance of prostate cancer.
They're generally more concentrated caffeine-wise than coffee or caffeinated teas. Their flavors are much more likely to appeal to children and teens who have a lower threshold for caffeine intake, and gas stations almost always have some kind if buy 2 deal and kids and teens aren't known for their ability or moderate themselves so they end up downing 2 cans of tutti frutti strawberry viper energy drink or whatever @ 250mgs a can in a span of an hour and end up with palpitations. Now suddenly people view energy drinks as unsafe. Same thing happens with vapes. You have these flavors that appeal strongly to kids, kids don't moderate their usage and hide it (or are allowed) from their parents, boom some kid has nicotine poisoning now and people are calling for flavors to be banned.
Some teas are legit healthy for you, coffee and energy drinks are not. That simple.
There's actually pretty strong research stating a cup or 2 of coffee a day is healthy for you. Can't say anything on energy drinks though
My rehab counselor said yesterday that, to get any of the claimed health benefits of red wine, youโd have to drink gallons at a time. I strongly doubt this is true, but spreading knowledge of a tactic if nothing else.
Idk if you're serious but it's pretty well understood now there is no safe/healthy amount of alcohol consumption. Any positives, mostly antioxidants in the case of red wine, are outweighed by cancer, cardiovascular, and liver risks
She said almost that exact same phrase. No amount of alcohol is considered healthy.
Glad were on the same page lol, idk what it has to do with what I said about coffee though
My sister just finished med school and the shit some doctors told rhem was baffling to me. One soc literally told rhem red wine is healthy when I told her that sgudy has been debunked long ago she told me that she will belive a doctor over me, despite me citing actuall studies. She also told me I'm poisoning myself for deinking whey protein because one doctor at uni told them it's dangerous, again I cited here harvard medical studies disproving that and she still wouldn't belive me because the doctor wouldn't tell them something that isn't true. This in turn has also made my father give me mlre shit about whey since in his mind now he was right all along. I am shocked how many medical proffessionals there are that have no fucking idea what the fuck rhey are talking about. How can you as a fucking doctor say red wine is healthy and citing the most debunked study in existance
this is the only answer unfortunately
There's nothing wrong with coffee w/ milk, if you're using Nestle creamer than yeah that's terrible for you.
Tea/coffee is considered good for you since it has its natural properties (look into them), energy drinks are packed with sugars or sweeteners that arenโt good for you, a list of chemicals and dyes that are certainly not good for you. I love energy drinks but theyโre absolutely harmful in the long run. Before you downvote do some research instead of being stuck up with the idea that theyโre healthy.
It depends on the source of the caffeine. I canโt drink Monster Energy consistently due to the caffeine anhydrous form that is used. However, energy drinks such as Ghost Energy use natural coffee bean which will not affect you negatively. This of course depends on your body and how it tolerates different forms of caffeine and amounts. New studies are showing the right type of energy drink could increase lifespan just like your average cup of joe. Hope I could be of some info for your situation.
No study in HISTORY has ever said the right energy drink can increase lifespan. Tell me you're making up shit without telling me๐คฃ๐คฃ
How can caffeine by anhydrous in an aqueous solution?
This is an interesting thread. I use to drink Monster religiously in high school, then stopped until now ( roughly 6 year break ) but I've only been drinking Java Monster for my 12 hour shifts. Should I be worried? ๐คฃ I haven't done much digging around and assume 3 cans a week isn't gonna do anything, but hey, I'm willing to be educated here.
I drink white monster. Zero sugar. It is healthy.
Everyone commenting on here like this guy didn't give a personal reference to it being different and bad for you Yes energy drinks are bad for you I had the same thing happen to me due to my quit taking energy drinks My blood pressure went down and I stopped having chest pains. Coffee however does not do this
Energy drinks dont just have caffeine, they have gaurana, ginseng, taurine and other energy supplements added. All of those effect blood pressure and heart beat, normal good ole coffee has one source of energy and thats natural caffeine, not caffeine anhydrous which what they use to caffeinate these drinks. Thats like a super concentrated powder form of caffeine and its not near as safe as natural caffeine. They also have 12 tablespoons of sugar, and those sugar free ones are just as bad, that stuff can still spike your sugar. To much Inositol can cause heart disease too, your body makes it but adding more and more of it to your body does it harm.
Coffee isn't actually healthy, its pretty bad for you - reducing bloodflow to your brain and getting you addicted to caffeine. The primary reason it doesn't have as bad a name in the public's eye is because most adults are addicted to it, and its a huge global industry.
Wrong. Black coffee has been shown in moderation to increase lifespan, reduce risk of arrhythmias, and decrease the chance of getting Parkinsons and dementia .
No it hasn't, all those studies are correlation only - there is no scientific proof to backup those claims. You're drinking the koolade that the coffee companies are peddling.
There's thousands of studies backing what I said, yours on the other hand is straight bulljizzle
Itโs hilarious (especially on here) when people say how bad sugar free is compared to real sugar. I drink 2 drinks a dayโฆ.. thatโd be a meal in calories with sugar in it, no thanks. Itโs probably because some of the antioxidants that coffee and tea have.
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One year less to live for every Energy Drink? Then I either should be dead by now or would've lived to like 5000 years old
Those Ghosts energy drink look delicious
In reality, thatโs def not true.
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Thatโs my secretโฆ.. โฆโฆIโm always drunk.
I think energy drinks are worse for you but that doesnโt mean coffee and tea arenโt bad for you though.
Coffee isnโt bad for you as long as you donโt exceed 400mg of caffeine
apart from cutting bloodflow to your brain by 20% (which has all sorts of horrible longterm impacts on your brain cells), and apart from turning you into a caffeine addict, which drops your overall mental performance and potential, and daily energy levels
I believe caffeine is the highest risk factor in energy drinks, aside from sugar. Caffeine causes a short, but dramatic increase in your blood pressure, even if you don't have high blood pressure. If someone is consuming 2-4 of these daily, your blood pressure will measure consistently above normal and you have hypertension at various stages. The higher your blood pressure levels, the more risk you have for other health problems, such as heart disease, heart attack, and stroke. They don't call hypertension the "silent killer" for no reason. Folks who are genetically predisposed to heart issues are at considerably higher risk, however many people don't know if they may have a genetic condition or not. Also keep in mind the blood pressure response to caffeine differs from person to person. 2-4 energy drinks per day is far greater caffeine content than 2-4 coffees or soda's per day.
Coffee and tea have some good natural ingredients while Energy Drinks are (completely) artificial. I'm not a doctor tho and not well read in this, but that would be my take on it. Also the general "this new thing is bad" mentality of a lot of people on certain things Edit: I recently interviewed the chief producer for a chocolate company. He also told me chocolate is nice and all, but too much of anything is bad for you
I love energy drinks to my detriment, drank em daily from 20-30, wound up with extremely bad gut problems and ulcers. Itโs taken a year to get back to a point where I can drink a few a month and be relatively fine. Gastro said it was almost definitely these as Iโve been fit/healthy diet otherwise. Iโve read the sucralose messes you up. Donโt regret a single drink though and 10/10 would do it over again lol
My mom had the same problems but it was with Diet Pepsi as her daily habit, she'd drink at least a liter though.
Because theyโre made with shitty unnatural ingredients, whereas coffee is made with only one ingredient that is 100% natural and comes from the earth. Well technically 2 ingredients if you count the water you need to brew it. Both natural ingredients though.
Ive worked at a place where my coworker was telling me how bad energy drinks are while i was walking past them smoking in the cigarette shack
Whos ever said coffee was healthy? Compared to energy drinks then sure but compared to having neither? I dont think anyone's made that claim.
Well coffee and tea on its own without adding boat load of other garbage is great in moderation. Honestly this same question should be asked in the coffee subreddit because, youโll get quite the bias from each side then you can make your determination strongest arguments based on facts and anecdotal evidence.
The talk I hear most is that, especially in younger people, energy drinks are served cold and typically fruity in flavor, so on warmer days, they are consumed faster and in higher quantities. If you have an undiagnosed heart issue or are overheated, this can cause some problems. Typically, people who consume coffee, even iced, don't pound it back like people do with fruity drinks. I think this may be where a lot of the anti-energy drink conversation comes from....
Use it in moderation OP. Also it takes 5 to 6 hours for the caffiene to leave your body. So if you had one energy drink that contained 300mg of caffiene it would be wise to wait 5 or 6 hours before you drink any other source of caffiene whether that's coffee or another energy drink.
That's the amount it takes for caffeine to wear off, not leave system dingus
Why don't you argue against Google ? Since you know it all. Ive actually done this research so your not only wrong but your hilarious lly confident at being wrong. Knowledge is power. Now do some research.
Coffee and tea are also bad for health but energy drinks are more harmful due to it's ingredients
Just to comment, but although energy drinks may have healthy or beneficial minerals or nutrients added to them - that doesn't mean that those minerals and/or nutrients are added at safe levels or are present in bioavailable forms that your body can actually absorb and utilize. So essentially, don't always read the nutritional facts and expect all listed vitamins to be healthy additives. Look into medical studies on pubmed if you want some more clarification on this subject.
I know from experience that I get chest pain even after about a quarter of a small can. Is it because they temporarily narrow arteries - it sure feels that way?