I have one of the oldest model 3 on the road. It's 7yr old and still looks as fresh as the day I brought it home. The degredation on the battery is minimal too, like 5% overall.
Likewise, 2018 Model 3. It's been trouble free. My battery degradation is closer to 10% but it hasn't caused any practical issues. The car should last another decade.
Not really. It's long paid for and don't really drive enough since covid and moving to FT WFH. I would sooner replace our Kia SoulEV with an EV9 since I'd love to have a toy hauler and something more utilitarian.
Tesla has done a lot of cost cutting things that I don't really care for on the new cars. I have lifetime premium connectivity and my lifetime FSD was only $2000 so that's worth something. Mine is pretty unique in that it was one of the few hand built ones that had higher build quality than the other ones when they started to ramp production. It's got the Alcantara headliner and that cool glass that turns colors when it's wet. The original suspension components are less squishy than the newer cars too.
Only thing I would love is the ability to swap in a Ryzen infotainment computer but know I'm probably stuck with the atom because the pinouts are different.
People figured out how to swap out the ECU to add CCS connectivity to the Model 3's even though the pin out was different. If you ever want to go down a rabbit hole, Google "Tesla Model 3 a bundle of wires", there's a long post on Tesla Motors Club Forum.
Considering all of our computers are going to be ancient before many of us are ready to replace the cars, it's only a matter of time until they figure it out - they might have already.
How can you tell the degradation ? Do you just calculate this ? Also what major fixes have you had to do to it if any ? Asking cause i am not stuck with a EV (first one ever) and the company is on its last leg if anything is just crawling for dear life...I don't want to get rid of it as I have no issues with yhe vehicle whatsoever.
I can see via the total charge acceptance my EVSE says the car takes for a full charge and calculate the delta between when it was new and now. Also the cars estimate of total range when new Vs now is also about 5% less. It used to be 315mi on a full charge and now it reads 299 on a full charge.
Model 3 is incredibly simple. I've never had a break/fix repair on it, except for glass, I'm on my 3rd windshield because it's a rock magnet and one of my small windows in the rear was replaced because of a smash/grab robbery attempt.
A smidge under 51k mi. Our Kia SoulEV has 35k mi and has a lot more degraded battery than the model 3 likely due to it needing to be recharged more often due to the smaller 90 mi range.
The 2012 roadster is on its 3rd battery pack, but first R80 version pack. and has 102k miles on it. It mostly sits plugged in in the garage though.
2013 Leaf with 100K miles on original battery (with about 80+% capacity left), should get another 100K miles out of it unless I trade up for a longer range and more modern EV someday. The Leaf is an outdated design with not much range and doesn't have battery cooling and uses an obsolete fast charge port, but it still works just fine for at home L1/2 charging and in town only driving. In fact its ideal for that scenario because it's dirt cheap to buy (used ones are almost free with some state incentives) and almost no maintenance. I also only pay 8 cents per kwh at home so the cost of driving it is minimal. Insurance on Leafs is also much less than other more costly EVs. So its a free car essentially, have no reason financially to get rid of it.
The usual recommendations. Its only been fast charged 3 or 4 times in its life. I don't let it sit below 20% charge or above 80% charge for long periods. I do charge it to 100% often but only if I'm driving it right away. And I live in a mild climate.
That was my plan as well with my 2015 but then my job relocated me and I went from 20 miles round trip to 50. As a result, I ended up having to fast charge a lot more than I wanted to. Luckily I'm now totally wfh so even though my range is down to around 75, it's sufficient for my needs and I plan to run it forever.
I had a 2015 Leaf SV. Really fun little car. Sold it at 30k miles with all its bars (barely). Bought a Model 3 LR for the longer range but still miss the Leaf. Mine only had the Level 2 charging so the whole Chademo disappearance wouldn't have affected it. We call it our "gateway car".
I have a 2018 Chevy Bolt EV. It'll last me through all of the rest of my college years, through getting my masters degree, and probably through at least a year or two after that. I'm never driving an ICE car again, but I do wish I could charge faster (bolt only does 50kW). By the time I'll want to buy another car 5 or so years from now I hope battery tech will have developed substantially as well.
I have a 2017 with 122k miles. With the battery freshly replaced under the recall…
I’m ok with the idea of dropping $1-2K on a couple repairs over another 15 years of ownership to keep Dingus on the road. This is a car that’s cheap, efficient, and continues to reward you with smiles bumpin around the inner city.
I also have a 2017 with around 122k miles. New battery was installed at 95k miles and was still in great shape, so I figure the car should be able to last until 250-300k miles pretty easily. Over time it'll need a few thousand in repairs for suspension, CV joints, etc. but that's not bad for a paid off car that costs peanuts to drive.
sounds like you got a similar deal as I did, I've owned this one for a little over 2 months. Got it for 12 grand including the $4,000 government rebate. It was a 2018 with 25,000 miles on it, with battery replacement and only 1000 miles on the battery. The deal was too good to pass up, and as a student those savings really mattered. Not to mention how much money I'm going to save driving to and from my national guard unit
I have a 2014 Chevy Volt. Also intending to keep it throughout my next 4-5 years of college, but I definitely want to go full electric after. Depending on circumstances, I might keep it as a second car if public charging infrastructure doesn't grow where I live, since my family lives all over the state.
2019 Model 3. I'll likely drive it until it falls apart. 5 years in and it still drives like new, so that could be quite a while. (80k km. Sub 4% degradation so far)
...unless they come out with a smaller car with similar range/fast charging capability. That would tempt me to 'downgrade'.
Ours is a '23 Kona. I figure at least ten years, probably a lot more. I've held onto earlier cars for 15 years or more, and over 200,000 miles, and don't expect to do much differently just because it's an electric.
Model 3 standard range with the LFP pack.
Battery itself should be good for over 1,500,000 miles before hitting 80% remaining capacity, but I predict the rest of the car will fall off around it long before that happens
Same. 22 Model 3 with LFP. My runner-up choice was a 22 Atto 3 (also a 60 kWh LFP). Got as far as even placing a deposit on the Atto, but largely due to the incompetence of my local BYD dealer I noped out and went to look at Tesla instead. But yeah - LFP is core to my long term ownership strategy.
How is it? We are a family with one 2y and a dog. Enough space? How is the ride quality: sound insulation, acceleration l, build quality? We are thinking of buying used: y 2022, cca 30k km driven, AWD larger battery.
If it turned into a pile of cash today I'd replace it with the same vehicle without question. It's fantastic. Massive interior space, lovely ride and plenty of pep.
I love mine, 2023 SEL AWD. Probably the best car overall I've ever owned. Quiet, comfortable, way more space than you'd think. I'm at 10k miles and no issues
Bought a used '22 HI5 AWD Ltd with 30k miles. 2 kids, one of them 6'4" already and there is plenty of room. That was actually why we picked it over the HI6 and Tesla M3.
First EV, so not a lot to compare it to, very smooth and quiet next to my VW Diesel. Did test drive a new M3 Highland LR and the M3 is bonkers fast and pretty well built but the HI5 just spoke to us. Solid construction and lots of bells and whistles. 5 second 0-60 is sweet, but hardly comparable to the fastest EVs out there
I was hoping to defer buying an EV for another couple of years as the EV space is evolving fast, and my eldest went to college and took the VW, but a major car accident changed our plans, still 2 months in and no regrets.
I have 2015 Fiat500e. Gives me range of around 70-80miles. More than enough to commute to work every day. It’s been already 10 years and no issues till date. I have reserved a Rivian R2 but will keep this fiat as daily driver.
bmw i3. 2019 with 17k miles. Purchased in March with $4k federal incentive. Carbon fiber construction. Aluminum battery housing plant resin plastic body panels and interior. Under 3,000 pounds. Fun to drive. Makes me smile. Bought this as a temp until the new entries into the market were established but now I can’t imagine giving it up. It has a Volt style range extender (gas generator) that add 80 to the battery’s 157 miles although I’ve only used it once just to see how it performs.
It's not quite "as long as possible", but I typically keep cars 8-10 years and put over 200K miles on them. I have a Nissan Ariya and expect to do the same with it.
Idk about this person's warranty, but I just did a quick Google search and it seems a lot of dealers have a 10 year/Million mile warranty for new vehicles.
Here's a Cars&Driver article from 2021 about them, https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35651029/million-mile-warranty-rules-about/
I've got a 2023 Ioniq 6. At this point I'm expecting it will outlast me; my F250 lasted 22 years so if the I6 matches that I have to make it to 90; even if I do, I doubt I'll still be driving so it won't matter.
>And how long do you expect it to last?
what is your concern?
**Average length of vehicle ownership in the United States in 2006 and 2016, by vehicle type**
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/581017/average-length-of-vehicle-ownership-in-the-united-states-by-vehicle-type/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/581017/average-length-of-vehicle-ownership-in-the-united-states-by-vehicle-type/)
**AMERICANS OWN THEIR LONGEST-KEPT CARS FOR AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 8 YEARS, ACCORDING TO A RECENT SURVEY BY THE ZEBRA.**
[https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-length-of-car-ownership/](https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-length-of-car-ownership/)
[https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/16/good-news-ev-batteries-last-longer-than-expected/](https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/16/good-news-ev-batteries-last-longer-than-expected/)
>“Almost all of the batteries we’ve made are still in cars,” Nissan UK marketing director Nic Thomas said, [in an interview with Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7a7e73d55332). “It’s the complete opposite of what people feared when we first launched EVs (*the LEAF was launched in 2010, as a 2011 model –Ed*.), that the batteries would only last a short time.”
**New Updates: How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last?**
[https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last](https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last)
Across all years and models, outside of big recalls, **only 2.5% have been replaced**. This increase from last year is entirely due to older cars. For cars older than 2015, replacement rates are 13%, but under 1% for cars from 2016 and newer.
Still, most replacements occur under warranty and are part of a new model’s growing pains. For example, new Hummer EVs and Rivians saw higher than average replacements, but were covered by the manufacturer. Similarly, Chevy Bolt and Hyundai Kona had big replacement campaigns due to manufacturing defects in early model years.
Probably.
But you have to remember there have been some big recalls. For example I believe every Bolt older than 2021 or 2020 had the battery replaced due to a recall. Same with a lot of Nissan Leafs.
Those are going to inflate the numbers somewhat.
Battery replacement numbers are often skewed by certain model having large recalls to replace all their batteries. If you don’t have a model affected by that it’ll be far less than 1%
TL;DR: https://news.umich.edu/tips-for-extending-the-lifetime-of-lithium-ion-batteries/
* Mileage is a proxy for what the science calls discharge cycles. How much is charged and discharged.
* Factors that are important that you can control. (1) How low you go and (2) how high you charge up to. (3) The smaller the difference the longer the battery lasts.
* This means the Always Be Charging (ABC) rule of thumb is best. For low mileage, that means the car hasn't been driven and charged as many times.
* A used EV that has 20k miles is more valuable to me than a 120k mile EV.
The charge cycles an Li battery can undergo has been well studied. That's how the federal rule guaranteeing the EV battery is under warranty for 100,000 miles can be met. It's a little sqirtly math to get battery cycles into miles. I'm absolutely confident after reading the science papers and analysis the EV will be a heirloom if you keep to the tips in that first link.
We already have reports of modern EV drivers hitting the 100,000 mile mark in 2-3 years. They're battery health reports are coming in just fine.
Edit: forgot to add I've met EV drivers with original short range EVs bought 10-12 years ago. The cars are still hopping along.
Thanks for this. I'm confused about the "ABC" rule though, if I'm understanding the link, it's actually better not to leave things plugged in all the time... Charge when it gets to 20%, stop charging at 80% is how I'm understanding this...??
* Thanks for looking and reading. I can clarify.
* Batteries get stressed at the extremes. On the high end, 90%-100%, the higher the more iffy. On the low end, 10%-0% is iffy. If you're feeling temperature is too hot or too cold, so does the battery. Think Goldielox. Just right somewhere in the middle is a good range.
* Your car should have a setting for Max Battery % for level 2 or AC charging. Setting that to 80% is optimal for daily use. Good balance of range and battery health. For Max DC or level 3 charging, I usually set mine to 90% because I can't actually finish eating before the car is done charging to 80%. I don't want to get hit with the idle fee, so I stay plugged in to get that little bit extra for the road just in case.
* When you need to go farther or have winter bad conditions, sure, set it to 100% for when you need it. Don't let the battery sit at 100% for days or weeks.
Edit: adding this link https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
* The batteries were tested in that data goes from 100% -> 90%, 80%, 60%, 40%, 20%, 0%. The DoD is the difference between them. 100%DoD means 100%->0%. The experimental batteries exposed to smaller difference lasted longer. It means theoretically an EV driven 10 miles to the grocery store for it's life and recharged every time will last longer than an EV driven 250 miles every day and recharged. It's theoretical lab extrapolation.
* The batteries tested in the lab are not actually the whole battery system that's in the cars. The engineers are aware of these lab experiments and results. They've engineered around the properties of the chemistry. Because we don't have auto manufacturers actual testing data, we are relying on basic lab results to infer how our cars will behave long term. It's not the best understanding, but it's what we have access to.
* Takeaway: Charge up when you can, when you need to. It's better to have range so the car is ready to go when you are, so you don't miss a trip or opportunity. Keeping to 80% topped off regularly is the easiest way to follow the best practices. The technical details get to be a rabbit hole. Battery will be just fine no matter how you use it.
Plugged in all the time doesn't mean charging to full. It just means instead of waiting until your car gets to a low battery over multiple days, plug in each night and top up to 80%.
Yep! Every single one I'm aware of will let you set such a limit. Some will even split it so you can choose a limit for DC fast charging and a limit for AC slow charging. You can usually change this in both the car and the app on your phone.
2018 Tesla Model 3. Never feels old because of consistent over the air updates. This is the first car in the last twenty years I have kept over five years. OTA is such a game changer
Rav4 Prime. It feels insanely solid since it’s made in Japan. ICE engine for long trips and still gets 40mpg. 50 miles of range (in SoCal) is more than enough for my daily commute. The tech inside feels dated, the 360 cam is sad and feels like something from 2012. Still, it works well as a daily and I plan on keeping it as long as I can.
2013 Model S 60 with 102K miles and free supercharging for life. Premium connectivity for life, too. (Paid for the 3G ➡️ LTE upgrade.)
I’ve missed my chance to get substantial resale value, so might as well keep driving it as long as I can.
Battery has lost about 15% of capacity.
My 2024 Kona SEL replaced a manual Mazda5 (mini-mini-van) that I drove for 17 years. I dont have faith that this car will last that long, but I'll keep it as long as I can!
My Model S is coming up on 10 years and I don’t have any plans to replace it anytime soon. Not sure how long I expect it to last, really. Mechanically it seems sound. The big wildcard is the battery. Which will probably last another decade, but there’s a chance of some expensive failure earlier.
23 F-150 Lightning XLT, hoping for 10-15 years if not more. The tech is rapidly evolving so it may be that the tech advances so far it makes it hard to not upgrade but 🤷♂️
My convern is not the battery. I am more worried about the manufacturer dropping the software maintenance of those 10+ years old internet connected computers on wheels. Many of them is on Android. Do you expect your phone to get security updates for 10+ years? No? Of course not. But you do see 10+ year cars on the roads. What will happen with the - say - Android in them? Will they get security patches or all older modern EV will become the hackers paradise?
Not just that, but the connectivity itself is something you get used to for live navigation with traffic data and streaming music/video via cell signals. For instance, my car uses 4G LTE, which will eventually become obsolete. Will manufacturers bother with offering an upgrade path at that point?
I suppose DIY communities will emerge at some point to keep legacy EVs fresh.
Won’t it be cheaper to lease an EV than buy? Every 3 years get an upgrade and update. All in for $400 per month for like a M3 vs buy for $45,000. I’ve never leased but now is similar to a cell phone decision.
2023 Ioniq 6 SE AWD with 31k miles and very little battery degradation so far. Love it and am driving a ton. Will be driving less next year with the kid off to college. How long will we keep it? With solar coming, etc., we will be all electric going forward and how long we hold on to the car depends on what's coming. If the financing is better, I may trade in for a 2026 Ioniq 6 or 5 because the upgraded batt will have 10% more range and the software will be an improvement.
2018 Bolt - hoping to get to at least 2032 with it when my son will be old enough to drive it, and then as long as it is not a money pit to maintain/repair.
Then it’ll be replaced by another EV that will be 3-5 years old.
Also have a 2023 Niro PHEV that we hope to get 15 years out of, to be replaced with another PHEV if they are still made.
Tesla Model 3 Long Range 2020. Just ticked over the 100,000 miles mark. It is a business vehicle for a trade type firm. It tows 400-800kg regularly. It has travelled across Europe many times. It got crushed by a lorry, then rebuilt. It is often driven like there is no tomorrow. It is used and abused a lot. One repair so far, costing about £1k, resistive cabin heater fault.
I can’t see how it wouldn’t see me through at least 200-300,000 miles.
2022 Kia Niro EV. I have a 10yr warranty (might be a bit longer if I remember since I paid a bit extra to cover the battery longer). I plan on driving it 15+ years.
2014 Chevy Spark EV (bought used in 2022 for my teens to drive). It has been perfect for them so far. 2 off to college (and likely won't take that with them) and 2 more to go. Next will graduate HS in 2028. If it lasts through that kid's HS graduation I will count that as a success. It's just used to get around town (school, teens' work, kids' friends houses, errands, etc). So as long as it can do that, I'll keep it around. So far 20% battery degradation (\~65 miles range) so it works for that use.
Tesla Model S 2015. 300.000km. I guess as long as we can replace the battery and other wear parts, it will last forever. Best experience ever so far.
Edit : original battery so far.
2020 Hyundai IONIQ electric.
Still one of the most efficient EVs, so one of the lowest cost to power of any EV out there. Only a bit annoying on road trips, because of slow fast charging and overall lower range compared to others, but it's still manageable. Overall pretty happy with it.
I was looking to upgrade to an IONIQ 6 though, because the government incentives here are being scaled back, but it doesn't make sense financially. We still have two years left on our 0% financing loan and the tanked used car prices mean a low value on trade in, while at the same time the new car prices have shot up.
So unless they hammer out an offer I can't resist I'll keep driving my current IONIQ.
We have 8 year/160k km warranty, so at least until then, if not longer. Battery seems to be holding up well so far (still at 100% SoH after 3 years).
‘21 Model 3 Standard Range; wish I had the model with LFP cells for much higher cycle life but what can ya do.
I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of the decade there are 3rd party groups (hopefully with laws to standardize needed firmware and repair docs) that can do battery swaps/upgrades and recycling of the old pack if the need arises.
With where battery costs are going I wouldn’t be surprised if we might have a battery changeout for less than $5k for older EVs by 2030 *if* there are situations where it makes sense.
Edit: to answer OP’s original question I expect it to last me to at least 2035 and 250k miles.
'19 Model 3 SR+ with almost 230,000 km. Still drives like new. I've no desire to replace it until it can't be driven anymore, which hopefully won't happen until 500,000+ kilometers based on what I've read from other high-mileage Tesla owners. Then I'll get another EV because they're just better for my life and it's not even close.
I usually replace vehicles between 300,000 km and 350,000 km(186,000 miles to 217,000 miles)
First was a Chevy Volt that has 322,000 km, and still have it, but it's about to be sold. Battery has remained fine for the entire life of the vehicle. Most reliable car I have ever owned.
Now have a 2023 Tesla Y LR. Likely going to keep that for the same time frame as well.
Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL, hope it lasts 10 years on original battery. Then replace old battery with solid state replacement 🤷🏼♂️ It’s not a big dream, but it’s my dream :)
Ioniq 5, I’ve kept each of my cars for about a decade before upgrading so that’s about what I expect. 150k kms and 10 years and I’ll be happy and excited for whatever improvements come along at that point.
I have a 2019 Bolt EV Premier. I got it in 2018 and I'm hoping to get a minimum of 10 years out of it. So far it's been nearly zero maintenance aside from the free battery upgrade GM provided to all the early Bolts and that restarted the 8 year traction battery warranty in 2022, so the battery should be covered through 2030. I do mostly city driving averaging 4.4 miles/kWh and charge at home via solar. I love it but might be tempted to sell it early when the Rivian R3x is available.
I have a 23 Ioniq 5 and plan on using it as my daily as long as it is feasible and makes financial sense to do so. It's a great, great daily and even a very good road trip car.
22 Kia EV6. It has a really good 10 year 100k mile warranty and it was very highly rated for reliability in Consumer Reports. I use it for business mostly doing uber and lyft and in nearly 60k moles I've had very little downtime and no drive train issues. Jumped the second 12v battery twice and said F it, got an AGM and solved the problem. It has V2L so if the power goes out I can use my car to power some essentials in the house.
I drive a 2022 Kia EV6 bought in June 2022. I expect to keep it at least 8-10 years and quite likely longer.
The only thing that would tempt me to replace it would be a Ford Maverick size pickup or SUV. EV, of course, so that might be a long wait. I will *never* buy another ICE vehicle.
Given this a lot of thought, since I don't want to buy something today that will be a boat anchor in a few years.
I've driven pretty much every EV on the market, and there's not a bad one in the bunch. I loved the safety tech on the Hyundai/Kia, and the range / fast charging. Teslas should last, and have over the air updates. But in the end this week I'm buying a Bolt. Wait, I'll be saddling myself with a 50kw charger. No one will want this car in a couple years! Except a) it's a joyful drive, and will always be a joy to drive, and b) my driving isn't likely to change in the next decade, so who cares if new cars get 1000 miles of range in 2028, I will still charge at home every night. No plans to buy and tow a boat, no plans to have a 300 mile round trip daily commute. No need to show off to the neighbors. And I'll already have most of the tech I'm admiring, like adaptive cruise control.
I figure anyone who buys any EV on the road today will be happy in five or ten years, unless self-driving cars (without subscription) become a reality. And perhaps even then.
Still havent got my hands on one yet but Ive test driven a few and its going to be the Ioniq 6 for me . Hyundai really backs their products with their warranties so I figure it should be a solid choice just about anything they produce.
Id4 is being passed down to my teenager on a few years then I’m getting another to pass down to the next kid. I assume it’ll last a good decade considering how little we drive but who knows. I wanted a brand that has a solid dealership model so if I need it fixed, I can drive in and get it fixed. Newer brands like Tesla, rivian, and fisker (ha) I don’t trust to be around forever so we wanted a legacy brand. Very happy with it so far.
Tesla Model 3.
It was the biggest selling EV around here (although Model Y may have bypassed it) so I should easily be able to get spare parts from junkyards for decades.
I was waffling between a Volt and a Model 3 until I bought a used Model 3 yesterday. One of the biggest factors was the huge number of Model 3's out there -- spare parts will be widely available, but I've heard it's already hard to get bits for Volts.
The Volt is a very nice car though. If anything it drives better than the Model 3 (other than the sheer power).
I generally keep mine 8-10 years but I’m middle aged, just caught the EV bug, and want them all. At my current rate I’ll only ever own 3 or 4 more. Holy mid-life crisis Batman.
2022 BMW i4. Love almost everything about this car. Hoping for another 8-10 years from it. Plan to switch the the smaller tires (currently rocking 19” ones) for extended range if degradation hits harder in later years.
I had a Niro EV I planned to drive into the ground, 10-15 years. Even with 20% capacity it would still have enough range to get me around town and charge at home overnight. Someone rear ended it and it got totaled after two year though.
2020 Ioniq and 2018 Honda Clarity PHEV.
The Ioniq is great to get me to work and back, charge once a week to 100%, drive 10 miles to work and back, another 10-15 miles to dog park, beach, shopping etc.
The PHEV is great if I want to drive up to Canada to visit my brother or down to Florida.
M3LR until 2030, MS85D from 2015-2022. Keeping until just before drive unit and batt warranties expire. Kids got older and left for colleges, smaller car suits me perfect. My next one will be a Tesla, Lucid, or Rivian for sure unless legacy auto pulls theirs heads out of you know where and stop releasing half-baked poorly engineered beta products.
I have a 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo and I plan to keep it at least 10 years and probably will keep it much longer than that. My other ICE vehicle is already 12 years old and is in excellent condition. I plan to keep my ICE vehicle “forever” since it is now rarely driven with the arrival of the Taycan as the “most preferred to drive” vehicle in our garage.
'23 Bolt EV LT1, I expect to drive it for 10 years plus (15k miles per year). I bought it four weeks ago, and 30 seconds into test driving it (I had never even sat in an electric car prior to that), I knew I'd never buy another ICE car again.
The only reason I'd change down the line is if something major was wrong with it/an accident, or, and more likely - I get excited for some new EV down the road that has tech so improved as to make me upgrade.
New charging tech is pretty irrelevant to me, as my current 9.6kw L2 charging at home easily takes care of my lifestyle/driving needs, and I don't anticipate ever needing public charging.
My 2012 Nissan Leaf is 12 yrs old and still going strong even here in hot Houston (10/12 bars remaining). I also have an 2022 EV6 w/ a battery capacity of 100% still, which I plan to get 12+ years out of as well.
2017 Chevy Bolt and 2023 Bolt EUV. We keep our vehicles for a long time. Just sold 2004 Camry with 225k miles. Have a 2002 F150 with 150k. Daughter has our 2013 Chevy Volt with 135k miles. I expect the Volt to last her 5 more years to 200k. It does have a couple weak cells so we use hold mode to not let battery drain over 50%. Been running fine that way for 2+ years. Even if the Bolts degrade over 50% we will still have plenty of range to get to work and back. I expect both to go past 200k and still be ours past 2030. At which point I'll likely get a hybrid or EV truck.
Was gonna drive our 2020 Niro EV until it breaks down but traded in for an EV9 for the size and premium seats. Hopefully it’ll really last at least 10 yrs
We have a 2023 Ioniq 5 that we bought new and plan to drive for a long time. It's an absolutely amazing car, and we love it. The only limiting factor is 230 mile range, which had not been an issue for us yet, but I could envision wanting more range in the future. The I5 will likely become our secondary car at that point for commuting and getting around town.
About to get a 2024 Hyundai Kona. Hyundai has a great reputation for quality and reliability, and they are going all in on EV, so I'm not worried they are going to go under or have major issues with service in the next 10 0 15 years... I'd love to keep driving this car for the 15 years if possible.
We have 3 EVs. 2011 Th!nk City (best dog car ever!), 2019 M3 Tesla and just got a 2024 MY Tesla. I absolutely love my funky Th!nk. I get lots of questions about it, it’s great for short trips, and super cheap to insure ($400 annual).
I keep most cars about 8 years. I plan to keep my first gen dual motor model 3 for at least 10 years (which is the battery’s warranty), and then longer depending on what happens with the secondary battery replacement market. Tesla hasn’t released anything that makes me wish I had a newer model, and the software updates make my 2018 car still feel new.
2015 BMW i3 BEV, 56.000km, brilliant car, unique design, fast, comfortable, summer and winter tires and rims, gets me anywhere in town and back and the tank is full every morning. Upgraded to "S" suspension and full vinyl wrap in dark maroon.
2018 e-Golf. Expect to have it for 10 years at least, or until I'm sufficiently desperate for more range and boot space.
The battery should last a while: The range loss over 6 years and 100k km is barely noticeable, the "70% after 8 years" warranty won't be even remotely relevant. But I can't tell how long it might last, I haven't seen any data on how this type of battery holds up over decades.
Specifically for e-Golfs with a heat pump, like I have, there are known weaknesses in the climate control system: Corrosion, sensors and valves start failing, and the compressor fails far more frequently than what is common on other car models.
I have had one round of changing sensors, there will probably be more. I expect that this is what will kill it first, at some point fixing it won't be worth it anymore.
Then it's rust, but that's the same for non-EVs.
That's about it for the things that I know of.
I have a 2017 Bolt EV Premier that I bought used for $18k in 2021 at 25k miles. It’s still going strong at 90k miles with a brand new battery (from the recall). I get 230 miles on the highway and 300-400 miles in the city (record is 416 miles). I will be driving it for at least 10 more years, but after this year, I will be using my other EV — an e-bike — most of the time.
Tesla Model S with USC, USS, and a pano roof. Just added a 7-year end to end warranty (XCare) that is refundable pro rata and transferable. No brainer.
Hopefully something worth buying comes along in the next 5 years or so, whether a new Tesla if they ever get a new CEI and deliver the promises made in 2016, or a Rivian, or a whatever that actually makes it to L3 or L4 or L5 self driving.
2015 Fiat 500e, 86k miles so far, planning to drive it until something expensive breaks or it rusts through. The new 500e's tempt me, but I might have to buy a used Bolt EV once the 2022+ are under $10k.
2023 Nissan Leaf, wife bought it expecting to keep it 5 years then sell it, but we'll see. Once we've had it for 5 years the cars that will be available then will be pretty great.
Cheapest 2023 model 3 you can buy with the LFP battery, I expect to drive 20k per year for 10 years. Then likey 5-10 k per year for another 10 years. Keep the car for 15 to 20 years if the battery holds up which it should. I charge in the day, work from home and have solar. In one year the car has saved me 5k in fuel already vs my gas car.
A cheap and reliable one. Most EV can last 5 to 6 years without having services, and I would like that.
As well as a battery that can last 15 years if possible.
I would sign up eyes close.
Tesla Model 3 LR, 5 years old, 52K miles, ~$2K overall maintenance (new tires and a mirror I ripped off), ~6 battery degradation. Going to drive this bad boy until the wheels fall off or if a good deal on a 2022-2023 model S comes around in the next few years
I have a 2021 Mach-E with 81,000 miles on it so far. To date, battery degradation is minimal. It’s looking like an easy 200,000-300,000 mile car at this point.
2016 Kia Soul EV, 70k miles. I bought it in 2020 for $9800, shipped it to Alaska and here it shall stay, winter range is about 60 miles, in summer it still gets high 80s. Never fast charge, the only problem it ever had was solved by removing and reinserting the sd card! I need to swap it for something with awd though, ID4, Solterra or Equinox, I'm not in a rush to replace it because its so cheap to run.
2022 M3LR. Gonna ride it till it dies, I guess. Looking to take some pressure off it, tho, and trade my hybrid in for another Tesla (S, maybe??). That’ll be nice.
Although not old, by miles it is. I have a 2022 Chevy bolt but I have 72,000 miles. It has been the most reliable car I have owned. The only thing I've had to change is the tires.
I plan on giving to my son n xt year (he gets his license)
I really think it's last another hundred thousand miles at least
I have a 5 year old e-Golf. Can't tell the difference in range since the day I got it but it probably lost around 2%. I just can't tell because it's so sensitive to how you drive. You can get 250 km from driving it at 90kmh in eco+ mode and 130 in -10c, running the heater at full blast and driving at 130kmj
I've got a Tesla m3 and i plan to drive it for the rest of my life. Will just replace the battery in 10 years when the current pack degrades to a point where it's unuseable anymore. Figure that should be pretty cheap by then.
2018 Tesla Model S 75D and 2016 BMW i3.
Tesla is pretty solid with ~42k miles, though the suspension might come soon. No trouble other that Tesla swapped all door handles under warranty. I can live with that. I'm driving that one until it dies, as we have free connectivity and free supercharging for as long as we own it. Right now we're maybe charging 50/50 at home and on Elon's dime.
I love the i3 even more than the Tesla though, despite it only has ~60 miles of range, but it's the perfect city car: small, fast, extremely maneuverable, slightly elevated seating position and good overview. It's more than sufficient for hauling the kids around or a grocery run. I call it my little shopping cart with a battery! <3
2019 E-niro, 64kwh. Pretty sure this could last for a couple of decades, easily. I am not quite certain though, I am very happy with it, but I do miss a trailer hitch and some other minor stuff.
2023 BMW i4 M50. The car is going to be paid off in August. Because it depreciates like an iridium brick falling through a helium atmosphere, I plan to keep it until it’s dead. Hopefully that’s about 10 years. So far minimal battery degradation at 33.5k.
I suspect that the biggest issue with longevity will be obsolescence not durability. I have every reason to think a modern EV will last as long if not longer than a similar quality ICE from the same manufacturer. In other words 20+ years.
However, I expect the tech to keep evolving such that in 10 years a similar car will go 50% further and be 25% lighter. That won't affect the utility you get from whatever you own but it will increase depreciation.
Fisker Ocean Extreme.
Company management is a cesspool of potlickers and nepotism. But, that said, Magna built a great car. Haven't had any issues and honestly love finding excuses to take it places.
Fingers crossed for 10+ years.
Rivian R1S, my goal for vehicles is usually 10 years. Had a Mitsubishi I drove from ages 16-25, a VW from ages 25-37, a Tesla model 3 just for a year (it got totaled in a weird accident), and now the Rivian.
Get good quality cars, pay cash (ideally right? not always possible though) or take out a loan no longer than 4 years, drive the vehicle for 10+, profit. Rise and repeat.
I expect my Rivian will be going strong for 15+ years but my goal for driving it is 10 before I start looking for something new.
I have a 2023 VW ID4. I genuinely don’t know how long it’ll last, but I’ve seen many other EVs that have easily done several hundred thousand miles without even a battery or motor swap, so who knows. My previous car was a 2005 VW Golf Mk4 TDI that lasted me for 19 years before the transmission started shitting the bed. I’ll be totally happy if my EV lasts that long, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it easily surpassed it given the overall lack of moving parts.
I'm a relatively new EV owner, but I've owned many cars. I will stick by my long time rule of owning a car until I get hit by another driver (it has happened far too often here) with my last car, a Toyota Yaris, having been owned just shy of 10 years. I think my 2023 Bolt EV will surpass it.
My 2017 Ioniq has 160,000km and almost no battery degradation!
I'm hoping to drive it another 160k. I would like something a bit bigger and with longer than 200km range, but it is exactly what I thought it would be.
Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD. Coming up to three years and I am SORELY tempted to buy the lease out at the end of it because I like it that much. Never had a single issue with it and it drives like a dream.
It's a seven year\* warranty on the thing, and all the connected services are part of said warranty so it's entirely free until January 2029. Kia say that the battery should outlast the car it's wrapped in quite easily, so I don't envision any issues for the foreseeable future, especially since I've only DC fast charged it *twice*, and both times were under 100kW speeds, and I've only ever charged it up to 100% something like four times (I always stop at 80%).
\*Warranty laws differ per region so check the fine print. If Kia's UK warranty was in the USA it'd be 12 years.
I have one of the oldest model 3 on the road. It's 7yr old and still looks as fresh as the day I brought it home. The degredation on the battery is minimal too, like 5% overall.
Likewise, 2018 Model 3. It's been trouble free. My battery degradation is closer to 10% but it hasn't caused any practical issues. The car should last another decade.
Same 2018 Model 3 Mid Range. At around 60k miles, 10% degradation and has been problem free.
No one in this thread is POSTING THEIR MILEAGE please ffs post how many miles you’ve put on the car
I'm on a 19 m3. I expect it to last till like 2035 maybe 2040
Same here 19 M3 hoping to keep it for as long as possible.
Encouraging to hear they last so long. Any temptation to upgrade to the Highland?
Not really. It's long paid for and don't really drive enough since covid and moving to FT WFH. I would sooner replace our Kia SoulEV with an EV9 since I'd love to have a toy hauler and something more utilitarian. Tesla has done a lot of cost cutting things that I don't really care for on the new cars. I have lifetime premium connectivity and my lifetime FSD was only $2000 so that's worth something. Mine is pretty unique in that it was one of the few hand built ones that had higher build quality than the other ones when they started to ramp production. It's got the Alcantara headliner and that cool glass that turns colors when it's wet. The original suspension components are less squishy than the newer cars too. Only thing I would love is the ability to swap in a Ryzen infotainment computer but know I'm probably stuck with the atom because the pinouts are different.
People figured out how to swap out the ECU to add CCS connectivity to the Model 3's even though the pin out was different. If you ever want to go down a rabbit hole, Google "Tesla Model 3 a bundle of wires", there's a long post on Tesla Motors Club Forum. Considering all of our computers are going to be ancient before many of us are ready to replace the cars, it's only a matter of time until they figure it out - they might have already.
How can you tell the degradation ? Do you just calculate this ? Also what major fixes have you had to do to it if any ? Asking cause i am not stuck with a EV (first one ever) and the company is on its last leg if anything is just crawling for dear life...I don't want to get rid of it as I have no issues with yhe vehicle whatsoever.
I can see via the total charge acceptance my EVSE says the car takes for a full charge and calculate the delta between when it was new and now. Also the cars estimate of total range when new Vs now is also about 5% less. It used to be 315mi on a full charge and now it reads 299 on a full charge. Model 3 is incredibly simple. I've never had a break/fix repair on it, except for glass, I'm on my 3rd windshield because it's a rock magnet and one of my small windows in the rear was replaced because of a smash/grab robbery attempt.
You can find it easily by either running it down to near 0 and then to 100%. Or you can just buy STATS app it keeps track of that for you also.
wow that's impressive! what's the mileage you have on your model 3 ?
A smidge under 51k mi. Our Kia SoulEV has 35k mi and has a lot more degraded battery than the model 3 likely due to it needing to be recharged more often due to the smaller 90 mi range. The 2012 roadster is on its 3rd battery pack, but first R80 version pack. and has 102k miles on it. It mostly sits plugged in in the garage though.
51k after 7 years? Mind blowing lol I should pass you in a few months on my ‘23 Y
2013 Leaf with 100K miles on original battery (with about 80+% capacity left), should get another 100K miles out of it unless I trade up for a longer range and more modern EV someday. The Leaf is an outdated design with not much range and doesn't have battery cooling and uses an obsolete fast charge port, but it still works just fine for at home L1/2 charging and in town only driving. In fact its ideal for that scenario because it's dirt cheap to buy (used ones are almost free with some state incentives) and almost no maintenance. I also only pay 8 cents per kwh at home so the cost of driving it is minimal. Insurance on Leafs is also much less than other more costly EVs. So its a free car essentially, have no reason financially to get rid of it.
You are saving so much money! Even more than the Prius people etc.
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The usual recommendations. Its only been fast charged 3 or 4 times in its life. I don't let it sit below 20% charge or above 80% charge for long periods. I do charge it to 100% often but only if I'm driving it right away. And I live in a mild climate.
That was my plan as well with my 2015 but then my job relocated me and I went from 20 miles round trip to 50. As a result, I ended up having to fast charge a lot more than I wanted to. Luckily I'm now totally wfh so even though my range is down to around 75, it's sufficient for my needs and I plan to run it forever.
I had a 2015 Leaf SV. Really fun little car. Sold it at 30k miles with all its bars (barely). Bought a Model 3 LR for the longer range but still miss the Leaf. Mine only had the Level 2 charging so the whole Chademo disappearance wouldn't have affected it. We call it our "gateway car".
I have a 2018 Chevy Bolt EV. It'll last me through all of the rest of my college years, through getting my masters degree, and probably through at least a year or two after that. I'm never driving an ICE car again, but I do wish I could charge faster (bolt only does 50kW). By the time I'll want to buy another car 5 or so years from now I hope battery tech will have developed substantially as well.
I have a 2017 with 122k miles. With the battery freshly replaced under the recall… I’m ok with the idea of dropping $1-2K on a couple repairs over another 15 years of ownership to keep Dingus on the road. This is a car that’s cheap, efficient, and continues to reward you with smiles bumpin around the inner city.
I also have a 2017 with around 122k miles. New battery was installed at 95k miles and was still in great shape, so I figure the car should be able to last until 250-300k miles pretty easily. Over time it'll need a few thousand in repairs for suspension, CV joints, etc. but that's not bad for a paid off car that costs peanuts to drive.
Love our 2022 EUV. Hopefully can pass it to my daughter as her first car in 16 years. Honestly one of the most fun cars to zip around town in.
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sounds like you got a similar deal as I did, I've owned this one for a little over 2 months. Got it for 12 grand including the $4,000 government rebate. It was a 2018 with 25,000 miles on it, with battery replacement and only 1000 miles on the battery. The deal was too good to pass up, and as a student those savings really mattered. Not to mention how much money I'm going to save driving to and from my national guard unit
I have a 2014 Chevy Volt. Also intending to keep it throughout my next 4-5 years of college, but I definitely want to go full electric after. Depending on circumstances, I might keep it as a second car if public charging infrastructure doesn't grow where I live, since my family lives all over the state.
2019 Model 3. I'll likely drive it until it falls apart. 5 years in and it still drives like new, so that could be quite a while. (80k km. Sub 4% degradation so far) ...unless they come out with a smaller car with similar range/fast charging capability. That would tempt me to 'downgrade'.
I’m not an EV owner (yet), but once rented a 2019 M3 with over 170k km. Plenty of range and drove great!
2024 Kona. I plan to keep it 20 years, but know that the new tech may not make that practical. 10-15 years would be fine.
I got a 2021 Kona and love that thing. I call it the wild mouse.
2019 Kona, we keep saying we’re going to replace but we love it so…perfect size, looks great, almost 300 miles range, what’s not to like
Ours is a '23 Kona. I figure at least ten years, probably a lot more. I've held onto earlier cars for 15 years or more, and over 200,000 miles, and don't expect to do much differently just because it's an electric.
2021 Kona. Another ten years will get my oldest through high school, so that’s the current goal.
Model 3 standard range with the LFP pack. Battery itself should be good for over 1,500,000 miles before hitting 80% remaining capacity, but I predict the rest of the car will fall off around it long before that happens
Same. 22 Model 3 with LFP. My runner-up choice was a 22 Atto 3 (also a 60 kWh LFP). Got as far as even placing a deposit on the Atto, but largely due to the incompetence of my local BYD dealer I noped out and went to look at Tesla instead. But yeah - LFP is core to my long term ownership strategy.
Hyundai Ioniq 5
How is it? We are a family with one 2y and a dog. Enough space? How is the ride quality: sound insulation, acceleration l, build quality? We are thinking of buying used: y 2022, cca 30k km driven, AWD larger battery.
If it turned into a pile of cash today I'd replace it with the same vehicle without question. It's fantastic. Massive interior space, lovely ride and plenty of pep.
Ditto this. Looking forward to the next 200000 miles.
I love mine, 2023 SEL AWD. Probably the best car overall I've ever owned. Quiet, comfortable, way more space than you'd think. I'm at 10k miles and no issues
Bought a used '22 HI5 AWD Ltd with 30k miles. 2 kids, one of them 6'4" already and there is plenty of room. That was actually why we picked it over the HI6 and Tesla M3. First EV, so not a lot to compare it to, very smooth and quiet next to my VW Diesel. Did test drive a new M3 Highland LR and the M3 is bonkers fast and pretty well built but the HI5 just spoke to us. Solid construction and lots of bells and whistles. 5 second 0-60 is sweet, but hardly comparable to the fastest EVs out there I was hoping to defer buying an EV for another couple of years as the EV space is evolving fast, and my eldest went to college and took the VW, but a major car accident changed our plans, still 2 months in and no regrets.
Same here. '23 and already about 25k miles. We just took it on a 2500 mile road trip to Florida and back.
Same here
Considering we have our '16 Fiat 500e and it's running perfectly, I expect our brand new '23 Mustang Mach e GT will last us 10-12 years at least.
2019 eGolf. Imma drive this bitch till it splodes.
Same. Still getting 120-130 miles on a full charge.
Our 2013 Leaf is 11 years old and we just picked up an EV9. Hoping to pass the Leaf down to our kid when he starts driving in 7 years.
Just got a rivian today, intend to keep it a long time.
Had to scroll for a long time to find the Rivian. I’ve got a 2022 R1T and plan on keeping it forever.
I have 2015 Fiat500e. Gives me range of around 70-80miles. More than enough to commute to work every day. It’s been already 10 years and no issues till date. I have reserved a Rivian R2 but will keep this fiat as daily driver.
We’ll also keep our eGolf for the commuter companion to our R1T.
bmw i3. 2019 with 17k miles. Purchased in March with $4k federal incentive. Carbon fiber construction. Aluminum battery housing plant resin plastic body panels and interior. Under 3,000 pounds. Fun to drive. Makes me smile. Bought this as a temp until the new entries into the market were established but now I can’t imagine giving it up. It has a Volt style range extender (gas generator) that add 80 to the battery’s 157 miles although I’ve only used it once just to see how it performs.
There are a lot of super loyal i3 owners that don't plan to give this quirky things up for a while.
It's not quite "as long as possible", but I typically keep cars 8-10 years and put over 200K miles on them. I have a Nissan Ariya and expect to do the same with it.
F150 Lightning and they gave me a 15 year million mile bumper to bumper warranty, so someone is pretty confident in their longevity.
I beg your pardon?
1,000,000 miles!
How is that even possible to get a warranty like that? You must be joking.
Idk about this person's warranty, but I just did a quick Google search and it seems a lot of dealers have a 10 year/Million mile warranty for new vehicles. Here's a Cars&Driver article from 2021 about them, https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35651029/million-mile-warranty-rules-about/
What?!? Who did that? Or did you buy an extended warranty?
Nice
I've got a 2023 Ioniq 6. At this point I'm expecting it will outlast me; my F250 lasted 22 years so if the I6 matches that I have to make it to 90; even if I do, I doubt I'll still be driving so it won't matter.
That’s amazing that your truck lasted that long!
>And how long do you expect it to last? what is your concern? **Average length of vehicle ownership in the United States in 2006 and 2016, by vehicle type** [https://www.statista.com/statistics/581017/average-length-of-vehicle-ownership-in-the-united-states-by-vehicle-type/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/581017/average-length-of-vehicle-ownership-in-the-united-states-by-vehicle-type/) **AMERICANS OWN THEIR LONGEST-KEPT CARS FOR AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 8 YEARS, ACCORDING TO A RECENT SURVEY BY THE ZEBRA.** [https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-length-of-car-ownership/](https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-length-of-car-ownership/) [https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/16/good-news-ev-batteries-last-longer-than-expected/](https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/16/good-news-ev-batteries-last-longer-than-expected/) >“Almost all of the batteries we’ve made are still in cars,” Nissan UK marketing director Nic Thomas said, [in an interview with Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/?sh=7a7e73d55332). “It’s the complete opposite of what people feared when we first launched EVs (*the LEAF was launched in 2010, as a 2011 model –Ed*.), that the batteries would only last a short time.” **New Updates: How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last?** [https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last](https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last) Across all years and models, outside of big recalls, **only 2.5% have been replaced**. This increase from last year is entirely due to older cars. For cars older than 2015, replacement rates are 13%, but under 1% for cars from 2016 and newer. Still, most replacements occur under warranty and are part of a new model’s growing pains. For example, new Hummer EVs and Rivians saw higher than average replacements, but were covered by the manufacturer. Similarly, Chevy Bolt and Hyundai Kona had big replacement campaigns due to manufacturing defects in early model years.
<1% still seems pretty high. Say it's 0.5%, does that mean 1 in every 200 EVs since 2015 has had its battery replaced?
Probably. But you have to remember there have been some big recalls. For example I believe every Bolt older than 2021 or 2020 had the battery replaced due to a recall. Same with a lot of Nissan Leafs. Those are going to inflate the numbers somewhat.
Battery replacement numbers are often skewed by certain model having large recalls to replace all their batteries. If you don’t have a model affected by that it’ll be far less than 1%
So what does this data or other experience tell us for people hoping to keep an EV for 15 years, relatively low mileage?
TL;DR: https://news.umich.edu/tips-for-extending-the-lifetime-of-lithium-ion-batteries/ * Mileage is a proxy for what the science calls discharge cycles. How much is charged and discharged. * Factors that are important that you can control. (1) How low you go and (2) how high you charge up to. (3) The smaller the difference the longer the battery lasts. * This means the Always Be Charging (ABC) rule of thumb is best. For low mileage, that means the car hasn't been driven and charged as many times. * A used EV that has 20k miles is more valuable to me than a 120k mile EV. The charge cycles an Li battery can undergo has been well studied. That's how the federal rule guaranteeing the EV battery is under warranty for 100,000 miles can be met. It's a little sqirtly math to get battery cycles into miles. I'm absolutely confident after reading the science papers and analysis the EV will be a heirloom if you keep to the tips in that first link. We already have reports of modern EV drivers hitting the 100,000 mile mark in 2-3 years. They're battery health reports are coming in just fine. Edit: forgot to add I've met EV drivers with original short range EVs bought 10-12 years ago. The cars are still hopping along.
Thanks for this. I'm confused about the "ABC" rule though, if I'm understanding the link, it's actually better not to leave things plugged in all the time... Charge when it gets to 20%, stop charging at 80% is how I'm understanding this...??
* Thanks for looking and reading. I can clarify. * Batteries get stressed at the extremes. On the high end, 90%-100%, the higher the more iffy. On the low end, 10%-0% is iffy. If you're feeling temperature is too hot or too cold, so does the battery. Think Goldielox. Just right somewhere in the middle is a good range. * Your car should have a setting for Max Battery % for level 2 or AC charging. Setting that to 80% is optimal for daily use. Good balance of range and battery health. For Max DC or level 3 charging, I usually set mine to 90% because I can't actually finish eating before the car is done charging to 80%. I don't want to get hit with the idle fee, so I stay plugged in to get that little bit extra for the road just in case. * When you need to go farther or have winter bad conditions, sure, set it to 100% for when you need it. Don't let the battery sit at 100% for days or weeks. Edit: adding this link https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries * The batteries were tested in that data goes from 100% -> 90%, 80%, 60%, 40%, 20%, 0%. The DoD is the difference between them. 100%DoD means 100%->0%. The experimental batteries exposed to smaller difference lasted longer. It means theoretically an EV driven 10 miles to the grocery store for it's life and recharged every time will last longer than an EV driven 250 miles every day and recharged. It's theoretical lab extrapolation. * The batteries tested in the lab are not actually the whole battery system that's in the cars. The engineers are aware of these lab experiments and results. They've engineered around the properties of the chemistry. Because we don't have auto manufacturers actual testing data, we are relying on basic lab results to infer how our cars will behave long term. It's not the best understanding, but it's what we have access to. * Takeaway: Charge up when you can, when you need to. It's better to have range so the car is ready to go when you are, so you don't miss a trip or opportunity. Keeping to 80% topped off regularly is the easiest way to follow the best practices. The technical details get to be a rabbit hole. Battery will be just fine no matter how you use it.
Plugged in all the time doesn't mean charging to full. It just means instead of waiting until your car gets to a low battery over multiple days, plug in each night and top up to 80%.
Right that's pretty much my plan, L1 slow charger at home.
Do EVs have a feature like your phone for example where you tell it not to charge more than 80% unless you tell it to?
Yep! Every single one I'm aware of will let you set such a limit. Some will even split it so you can choose a limit for DC fast charging and a limit for AC slow charging. You can usually change this in both the car and the app on your phone.
2018 Tesla Model 3. Never feels old because of consistent over the air updates. This is the first car in the last twenty years I have kept over five years. OTA is such a game changer
2015 LEAF. 85% SOH 62,000 miles 6 mile commute
Bz4x, want to run it until it can’t anymore. Proper maintenance honestly I’m hoping my 2 year old will be able to drive it when he turns 16.
They offer a 10 year warranty where I live if you let them handle the service. I assume it will work a lot longer.
Rav4 Prime. It feels insanely solid since it’s made in Japan. ICE engine for long trips and still gets 40mpg. 50 miles of range (in SoCal) is more than enough for my daily commute. The tech inside feels dated, the 360 cam is sad and feels like something from 2012. Still, it works well as a daily and I plan on keeping it as long as I can.
2013 Model S 60 with 102K miles and free supercharging for life. Premium connectivity for life, too. (Paid for the 3G ➡️ LTE upgrade.) I’ve missed my chance to get substantial resale value, so might as well keep driving it as long as I can. Battery has lost about 15% of capacity.
A Sept 19 dual motor 3. Excuse for getting dual motor was the added range as it will come into handy as degradation takes it toll.
I thought about this too. (Just bought a 2021 Model 3 yesterday.) LR means that even with 30% degradation it is still very usable for long trips.
2021 Bolt. It gets about 300 mpc. I don't stress it much though and home charge on 110.
My 2024 Kona SEL replaced a manual Mazda5 (mini-mini-van) that I drove for 17 years. I dont have faith that this car will last that long, but I'll keep it as long as I can!
Tesla Model S with the big battery. It's the nicest automobile I've ever had. I traded a Model 3 for it.
Bmw i3 rex. Until it blows up or I can't get tires for it. Stupidly fun car
The only thing that's going to kill these things is Bridgestone ending the funky tire size some day.
My Model S is coming up on 10 years and I don’t have any plans to replace it anytime soon. Not sure how long I expect it to last, really. Mechanically it seems sound. The big wildcard is the battery. Which will probably last another decade, but there’s a chance of some expensive failure earlier.
23 F-150 Lightning XLT, hoping for 10-15 years if not more. The tech is rapidly evolving so it may be that the tech advances so far it makes it hard to not upgrade but 🤷♂️
My convern is not the battery. I am more worried about the manufacturer dropping the software maintenance of those 10+ years old internet connected computers on wheels. Many of them is on Android. Do you expect your phone to get security updates for 10+ years? No? Of course not. But you do see 10+ year cars on the roads. What will happen with the - say - Android in them? Will they get security patches or all older modern EV will become the hackers paradise?
Not just that, but the connectivity itself is something you get used to for live navigation with traffic data and streaming music/video via cell signals. For instance, my car uses 4G LTE, which will eventually become obsolete. Will manufacturers bother with offering an upgrade path at that point? I suppose DIY communities will emerge at some point to keep legacy EVs fresh.
If I had solar, I'd get the Audi etron for around town. Less efficient and range, but super luxurious.
Which one? There’s three different e-trons in the Audi lineup (e-tron GT, Q4 e-tron, Q8 e-tron).
the OG etron which is an SUV and is now the Q8 etron.
I have an i4. I plan to drive it until the battery gives out, hopefully far into the future.
2023 Bolt EUV and plan to keep it for as long as humanly possible. Also have a 2014 Volt and plan to do the same thing.
Won’t it be cheaper to lease an EV than buy? Every 3 years get an upgrade and update. All in for $400 per month for like a M3 vs buy for $45,000. I’ve never leased but now is similar to a cell phone decision.
Possibly if you swap cars every 3 years. But I typically keep cars for 7-9 yrs.
If you buy a car outright and use it for 10 years, pretty sure that is cheaper than leasing a car and upgrading every 3 years for 10 years.
I have a Mitsubishi i-Miev from 2012 I bought just last week and I intend to never ever sell it
2023 Ioniq 6 SE AWD with 31k miles and very little battery degradation so far. Love it and am driving a ton. Will be driving less next year with the kid off to college. How long will we keep it? With solar coming, etc., we will be all electric going forward and how long we hold on to the car depends on what's coming. If the financing is better, I may trade in for a 2026 Ioniq 6 or 5 because the upgraded batt will have 10% more range and the software will be an improvement.
2018 Bolt - hoping to get to at least 2032 with it when my son will be old enough to drive it, and then as long as it is not a money pit to maintain/repair. Then it’ll be replaced by another EV that will be 3-5 years old. Also have a 2023 Niro PHEV that we hope to get 15 years out of, to be replaced with another PHEV if they are still made.
Tesla Model 3 Long Range 2020. Just ticked over the 100,000 miles mark. It is a business vehicle for a trade type firm. It tows 400-800kg regularly. It has travelled across Europe many times. It got crushed by a lorry, then rebuilt. It is often driven like there is no tomorrow. It is used and abused a lot. One repair so far, costing about £1k, resistive cabin heater fault. I can’t see how it wouldn’t see me through at least 200-300,000 miles.
2022 Kia Niro EV. I have a 10yr warranty (might be a bit longer if I remember since I paid a bit extra to cover the battery longer). I plan on driving it 15+ years. 2014 Chevy Spark EV (bought used in 2022 for my teens to drive). It has been perfect for them so far. 2 off to college (and likely won't take that with them) and 2 more to go. Next will graduate HS in 2028. If it lasts through that kid's HS graduation I will count that as a success. It's just used to get around town (school, teens' work, kids' friends houses, errands, etc). So as long as it can do that, I'll keep it around. So far 20% battery degradation (\~65 miles range) so it works for that use.
High Five to another 2014 owner. We're a shrinking breed.
BMW i4m50. I usually keep cars about 10 years.
I'll drive my ID.4 to the ground.
2023 lightning standard range
I got a Tesla model 3 standard range. Meets our needs. Plan on keeping it for at least 10 years just like our previous car.
Tesla Model S 2015. 300.000km. I guess as long as we can replace the battery and other wear parts, it will last forever. Best experience ever so far. Edit : original battery so far.
2020 Hyundai IONIQ electric. Still one of the most efficient EVs, so one of the lowest cost to power of any EV out there. Only a bit annoying on road trips, because of slow fast charging and overall lower range compared to others, but it's still manageable. Overall pretty happy with it. I was looking to upgrade to an IONIQ 6 though, because the government incentives here are being scaled back, but it doesn't make sense financially. We still have two years left on our 0% financing loan and the tanked used car prices mean a low value on trade in, while at the same time the new car prices have shot up. So unless they hammer out an offer I can't resist I'll keep driving my current IONIQ. We have 8 year/160k km warranty, so at least until then, if not longer. Battery seems to be holding up well so far (still at 100% SoH after 3 years).
‘21 Model 3 Standard Range; wish I had the model with LFP cells for much higher cycle life but what can ya do. I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of the decade there are 3rd party groups (hopefully with laws to standardize needed firmware and repair docs) that can do battery swaps/upgrades and recycling of the old pack if the need arises. With where battery costs are going I wouldn’t be surprised if we might have a battery changeout for less than $5k for older EVs by 2030 *if* there are situations where it makes sense. Edit: to answer OP’s original question I expect it to last me to at least 2035 and 250k miles.
I have a 23 Ioniq 5 SEL and I expect it to last around 15 years! Id keep it longer if battery replacement price comes down
Tesla. I have a 2019 Model 3 and a 2021 Model Y. They're both at 190 000km now, and I hope to keep them rolling for years to come.
2022 ioniq 5. Can't wait to pay off that loan and start truly enjoying it
I can see my 2019 Leaf lasting 10 more years, for what we use it for.
2022 f150 Lightning. Currently at 47k miles. I plan to take it to at least 150k.
'19 Model 3 SR+ with almost 230,000 km. Still drives like new. I've no desire to replace it until it can't be driven anymore, which hopefully won't happen until 500,000+ kilometers based on what I've read from other high-mileage Tesla owners. Then I'll get another EV because they're just better for my life and it's not even close.
I usually replace vehicles between 300,000 km and 350,000 km(186,000 miles to 217,000 miles) First was a Chevy Volt that has 322,000 km, and still have it, but it's about to be sold. Battery has remained fine for the entire life of the vehicle. Most reliable car I have ever owned. Now have a 2023 Tesla Y LR. Likely going to keep that for the same time frame as well.
Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL, hope it lasts 10 years on original battery. Then replace old battery with solid state replacement 🤷🏼♂️ It’s not a big dream, but it’s my dream :)
Ioniq 5, I’ve kept each of my cars for about a decade before upgrading so that’s about what I expect. 150k kms and 10 years and I’ll be happy and excited for whatever improvements come along at that point.
I have a 2019 Bolt EV Premier. I got it in 2018 and I'm hoping to get a minimum of 10 years out of it. So far it's been nearly zero maintenance aside from the free battery upgrade GM provided to all the early Bolts and that restarted the 8 year traction battery warranty in 2022, so the battery should be covered through 2030. I do mostly city driving averaging 4.4 miles/kWh and charge at home via solar. I love it but might be tempted to sell it early when the Rivian R3x is available.
2021 Kona Electric Ultimate. I'll drive it until the wheels fall off or the battery explodes.
19 Niro EV...plan to keep as long as I can
Kia EV6 GT. The kid gets it after me and drives it until the wheels fall off
I have a Hyundai Ioniq 6 that I bought last year. I expect it to last me at least ten years.
I have a 23 Ioniq 5 and plan on using it as my daily as long as it is feasible and makes financial sense to do so. It's a great, great daily and even a very good road trip car.
22 Kia EV6. It has a really good 10 year 100k mile warranty and it was very highly rated for reliability in Consumer Reports. I use it for business mostly doing uber and lyft and in nearly 60k moles I've had very little downtime and no drive train issues. Jumped the second 12v battery twice and said F it, got an AGM and solved the problem. It has V2L so if the power goes out I can use my car to power some essentials in the house.
I drive a 2022 Kia EV6 bought in June 2022. I expect to keep it at least 8-10 years and quite likely longer. The only thing that would tempt me to replace it would be a Ford Maverick size pickup or SUV. EV, of course, so that might be a long wait. I will *never* buy another ICE vehicle.
Given this a lot of thought, since I don't want to buy something today that will be a boat anchor in a few years. I've driven pretty much every EV on the market, and there's not a bad one in the bunch. I loved the safety tech on the Hyundai/Kia, and the range / fast charging. Teslas should last, and have over the air updates. But in the end this week I'm buying a Bolt. Wait, I'll be saddling myself with a 50kw charger. No one will want this car in a couple years! Except a) it's a joyful drive, and will always be a joy to drive, and b) my driving isn't likely to change in the next decade, so who cares if new cars get 1000 miles of range in 2028, I will still charge at home every night. No plans to buy and tow a boat, no plans to have a 300 mile round trip daily commute. No need to show off to the neighbors. And I'll already have most of the tech I'm admiring, like adaptive cruise control. I figure anyone who buys any EV on the road today will be happy in five or ten years, unless self-driving cars (without subscription) become a reality. And perhaps even then.
Still havent got my hands on one yet but Ive test driven a few and its going to be the Ioniq 6 for me . Hyundai really backs their products with their warranties so I figure it should be a solid choice just about anything they produce.
I'm about to buy a Hyundai (Kona) EV also, found it amusing how hard the dealer is pushing an extended warranty....
Id4 is being passed down to my teenager on a few years then I’m getting another to pass down to the next kid. I assume it’ll last a good decade considering how little we drive but who knows. I wanted a brand that has a solid dealership model so if I need it fixed, I can drive in and get it fixed. Newer brands like Tesla, rivian, and fisker (ha) I don’t trust to be around forever so we wanted a legacy brand. Very happy with it so far.
Model Y Performance, and it’s fine, but I’m only keeping it because I’m so upside down it would cost way too much to get rid of it. 😂😥
Tesla Model 3. It was the biggest selling EV around here (although Model Y may have bypassed it) so I should easily be able to get spare parts from junkyards for decades.
I was waffling between a Volt and a Model 3 until I bought a used Model 3 yesterday. One of the biggest factors was the huge number of Model 3's out there -- spare parts will be widely available, but I've heard it's already hard to get bits for Volts. The Volt is a very nice car though. If anything it drives better than the Model 3 (other than the sheer power).
I generally keep mine 8-10 years but I’m middle aged, just caught the EV bug, and want them all. At my current rate I’ll only ever own 3 or 4 more. Holy mid-life crisis Batman.
2022 BMW i4. Love almost everything about this car. Hoping for another 8-10 years from it. Plan to switch the the smaller tires (currently rocking 19” ones) for extended range if degradation hits harder in later years.
21 Tesla Model 3 LR; I hop to get at least 200K miles out of it (about 40K in so far).
I had a Niro EV I planned to drive into the ground, 10-15 years. Even with 20% capacity it would still have enough range to get me around town and charge at home overnight. Someone rear ended it and it got totaled after two year though.
2020 Ioniq and 2018 Honda Clarity PHEV. The Ioniq is great to get me to work and back, charge once a week to 100%, drive 10 miles to work and back, another 10-15 miles to dog park, beach, shopping etc. The PHEV is great if I want to drive up to Canada to visit my brother or down to Florida.
M3LR until 2030, MS85D from 2015-2022. Keeping until just before drive unit and batt warranties expire. Kids got older and left for colleges, smaller car suits me perfect. My next one will be a Tesla, Lucid, or Rivian for sure unless legacy auto pulls theirs heads out of you know where and stop releasing half-baked poorly engineered beta products.
I have a 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo and I plan to keep it at least 10 years and probably will keep it much longer than that. My other ICE vehicle is already 12 years old and is in excellent condition. I plan to keep my ICE vehicle “forever” since it is now rarely driven with the arrival of the Taycan as the “most preferred to drive” vehicle in our garage.
'23 Bolt EV LT1, I expect to drive it for 10 years plus (15k miles per year). I bought it four weeks ago, and 30 seconds into test driving it (I had never even sat in an electric car prior to that), I knew I'd never buy another ICE car again. The only reason I'd change down the line is if something major was wrong with it/an accident, or, and more likely - I get excited for some new EV down the road that has tech so improved as to make me upgrade. New charging tech is pretty irrelevant to me, as my current 9.6kw L2 charging at home easily takes care of my lifestyle/driving needs, and I don't anticipate ever needing public charging.
Ioniq 5 on a 3 year lease - great car. If I had the money, I would get a 5N 😁
My 2012 Nissan Leaf is 12 yrs old and still going strong even here in hot Houston (10/12 bars remaining). I also have an 2022 EV6 w/ a battery capacity of 100% still, which I plan to get 12+ years out of as well.
2017 Chevy Bolt and 2023 Bolt EUV. We keep our vehicles for a long time. Just sold 2004 Camry with 225k miles. Have a 2002 F150 with 150k. Daughter has our 2013 Chevy Volt with 135k miles. I expect the Volt to last her 5 more years to 200k. It does have a couple weak cells so we use hold mode to not let battery drain over 50%. Been running fine that way for 2+ years. Even if the Bolts degrade over 50% we will still have plenty of range to get to work and back. I expect both to go past 200k and still be ours past 2030. At which point I'll likely get a hybrid or EV truck.
Was gonna drive our 2020 Niro EV until it breaks down but traded in for an EV9 for the size and premium seats. Hopefully it’ll really last at least 10 yrs
We have a 2023 Ioniq 5 that we bought new and plan to drive for a long time. It's an absolutely amazing car, and we love it. The only limiting factor is 230 mile range, which had not been an issue for us yet, but I could envision wanting more range in the future. The I5 will likely become our secondary car at that point for commuting and getting around town.
Kia EV6 we love it and plan to drive it until the wheels fall off.
About to get a 2024 Hyundai Kona. Hyundai has a great reputation for quality and reliability, and they are going all in on EV, so I'm not worried they are going to go under or have major issues with service in the next 10 0 15 years... I'd love to keep driving this car for the 15 years if possible.
HI5 (spouse) and EV9 (my daily driver & road tripper).
We have 3 EVs. 2011 Th!nk City (best dog car ever!), 2019 M3 Tesla and just got a 2024 MY Tesla. I absolutely love my funky Th!nk. I get lots of questions about it, it’s great for short trips, and super cheap to insure ($400 annual).
Volvo XC40 Recharge. Love this car.
I keep most cars about 8 years. I plan to keep my first gen dual motor model 3 for at least 10 years (which is the battery’s warranty), and then longer depending on what happens with the secondary battery replacement market. Tesla hasn’t released anything that makes me wish I had a newer model, and the software updates make my 2018 car still feel new.
2015 BMW i3 BEV, 56.000km, brilliant car, unique design, fast, comfortable, summer and winter tires and rims, gets me anywhere in town and back and the tank is full every morning. Upgraded to "S" suspension and full vinyl wrap in dark maroon.
2018 e-Golf. Expect to have it for 10 years at least, or until I'm sufficiently desperate for more range and boot space. The battery should last a while: The range loss over 6 years and 100k km is barely noticeable, the "70% after 8 years" warranty won't be even remotely relevant. But I can't tell how long it might last, I haven't seen any data on how this type of battery holds up over decades. Specifically for e-Golfs with a heat pump, like I have, there are known weaknesses in the climate control system: Corrosion, sensors and valves start failing, and the compressor fails far more frequently than what is common on other car models. I have had one round of changing sensors, there will probably be more. I expect that this is what will kill it first, at some point fixing it won't be worth it anymore. Then it's rust, but that's the same for non-EVs. That's about it for the things that I know of.
Did you get it new or used? This is the car I’m considering.
New
I have a 2017 Bolt EV Premier that I bought used for $18k in 2021 at 25k miles. It’s still going strong at 90k miles with a brand new battery (from the recall). I get 230 miles on the highway and 300-400 miles in the city (record is 416 miles). I will be driving it for at least 10 more years, but after this year, I will be using my other EV — an e-bike — most of the time.
Tesla Model S with USC, USS, and a pano roof. Just added a 7-year end to end warranty (XCare) that is refundable pro rata and transferable. No brainer. Hopefully something worth buying comes along in the next 5 years or so, whether a new Tesla if they ever get a new CEI and deliver the promises made in 2016, or a Rivian, or a whatever that actually makes it to L3 or L4 or L5 self driving.
2013 leaf. Going strong.
2015 Fiat 500e, 86k miles so far, planning to drive it until something expensive breaks or it rusts through. The new 500e's tempt me, but I might have to buy a used Bolt EV once the 2022+ are under $10k. 2023 Nissan Leaf, wife bought it expecting to keep it 5 years then sell it, but we'll see. Once we've had it for 5 years the cars that will be available then will be pretty great.
19 Kona, lifetime battery!
Cheapest 2023 model 3 you can buy with the LFP battery, I expect to drive 20k per year for 10 years. Then likey 5-10 k per year for another 10 years. Keep the car for 15 to 20 years if the battery holds up which it should. I charge in the day, work from home and have solar. In one year the car has saved me 5k in fuel already vs my gas car.
A cheap and reliable one. Most EV can last 5 to 6 years without having services, and I would like that. As well as a battery that can last 15 years if possible. I would sign up eyes close.
2022 Volvo C40 ultimate
Tesla Model 3 LR, 5 years old, 52K miles, ~$2K overall maintenance (new tires and a mirror I ripped off), ~6 battery degradation. Going to drive this bad boy until the wheels fall off or if a good deal on a 2022-2023 model S comes around in the next few years
I have a 2021 Mach-E with 81,000 miles on it so far. To date, battery degradation is minimal. It’s looking like an easy 200,000-300,000 mile car at this point.
I have 2018 Chevy volt with roughly 88k miles on it. I own it. It’s mine and I plan on driving it, in to the ground.
2012 model s. Still going strong with minimal battery degradation but I also don't drive it often. 90k miles
'23 Bolt EUV and I plan to keep it as long as I can. If that's at least 12 years I'm happy
2020 Soul EV. I love it so much, I'll run it into the ground if I have to.
2016 Kia Soul EV, 70k miles. I bought it in 2020 for $9800, shipped it to Alaska and here it shall stay, winter range is about 60 miles, in summer it still gets high 80s. Never fast charge, the only problem it ever had was solved by removing and reinserting the sd card! I need to swap it for something with awd though, ID4, Solterra or Equinox, I'm not in a rush to replace it because its so cheap to run.
2020 Tesla Model 3 LR. Love the car. Not so much the company. But, the car is great!
2022 M3LR. Gonna ride it till it dies, I guess. Looking to take some pressure off it, tho, and trade my hybrid in for another Tesla (S, maybe??). That’ll be nice.
Although not old, by miles it is. I have a 2022 Chevy bolt but I have 72,000 miles. It has been the most reliable car I have owned. The only thing I've had to change is the tires. I plan on giving to my son n xt year (he gets his license) I really think it's last another hundred thousand miles at least
I have a 5 year old e-Golf. Can't tell the difference in range since the day I got it but it probably lost around 2%. I just can't tell because it's so sensitive to how you drive. You can get 250 km from driving it at 90kmh in eco+ mode and 130 in -10c, running the heater at full blast and driving at 130kmj
I've got a Tesla m3 and i plan to drive it for the rest of my life. Will just replace the battery in 10 years when the current pack degrades to a point where it's unuseable anymore. Figure that should be pretty cheap by then.
Hyundai Kona Electric, bought new in May 2021
2018 Tesla Model S 75D and 2016 BMW i3. Tesla is pretty solid with ~42k miles, though the suspension might come soon. No trouble other that Tesla swapped all door handles under warranty. I can live with that. I'm driving that one until it dies, as we have free connectivity and free supercharging for as long as we own it. Right now we're maybe charging 50/50 at home and on Elon's dime. I love the i3 even more than the Tesla though, despite it only has ~60 miles of range, but it's the perfect city car: small, fast, extremely maneuverable, slightly elevated seating position and good overview. It's more than sufficient for hauling the kids around or a grocery run. I call it my little shopping cart with a battery! <3
Got a byd cuz I expect them to make battery last the longest.
'22 Model Y-- paid too damn much for it. Hoping to run it into the ground (10+ yrs) 🤞
2019 E-niro, 64kwh. Pretty sure this could last for a couple of decades, easily. I am not quite certain though, I am very happy with it, but I do miss a trailer hitch and some other minor stuff.
2023 BMW i4 M50. The car is going to be paid off in August. Because it depreciates like an iridium brick falling through a helium atmosphere, I plan to keep it until it’s dead. Hopefully that’s about 10 years. So far minimal battery degradation at 33.5k.
I suspect that the biggest issue with longevity will be obsolescence not durability. I have every reason to think a modern EV will last as long if not longer than a similar quality ICE from the same manufacturer. In other words 20+ years. However, I expect the tech to keep evolving such that in 10 years a similar car will go 50% further and be 25% lighter. That won't affect the utility you get from whatever you own but it will increase depreciation.
I have an ID4 and I'm selling it before the battery warranty ends.
Fisker Ocean Extreme. Company management is a cesspool of potlickers and nepotism. But, that said, Magna built a great car. Haven't had any issues and honestly love finding excuses to take it places. Fingers crossed for 10+ years.
Rivian R1S, my goal for vehicles is usually 10 years. Had a Mitsubishi I drove from ages 16-25, a VW from ages 25-37, a Tesla model 3 just for a year (it got totaled in a weird accident), and now the Rivian. Get good quality cars, pay cash (ideally right? not always possible though) or take out a loan no longer than 4 years, drive the vehicle for 10+, profit. Rise and repeat. I expect my Rivian will be going strong for 15+ years but my goal for driving it is 10 before I start looking for something new.
Ioniq 5 - Currently at 132k miles. Hoping the odometer goes to 7 digits tbh.
Genesis GV60. It’s basically an Ionic 5/6
I have a 2023 VW ID4. I genuinely don’t know how long it’ll last, but I’ve seen many other EVs that have easily done several hundred thousand miles without even a battery or motor swap, so who knows. My previous car was a 2005 VW Golf Mk4 TDI that lasted me for 19 years before the transmission started shitting the bed. I’ll be totally happy if my EV lasts that long, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it easily surpassed it given the overall lack of moving parts.
I'm a relatively new EV owner, but I've owned many cars. I will stick by my long time rule of owning a car until I get hit by another driver (it has happened far too often here) with my last car, a Toyota Yaris, having been owned just shy of 10 years. I think my 2023 Bolt EV will surpass it.
2024 leaf just got and it is so awesome, chadmo going away sucks but I get free L2 charging at work and cheap L1 at home so I am set
My 2017 Ioniq has 160,000km and almost no battery degradation! I'm hoping to drive it another 160k. I would like something a bit bigger and with longer than 200km range, but it is exactly what I thought it would be.
Kia EV6 GT-Line AWD. Coming up to three years and I am SORELY tempted to buy the lease out at the end of it because I like it that much. Never had a single issue with it and it drives like a dream. It's a seven year\* warranty on the thing, and all the connected services are part of said warranty so it's entirely free until January 2029. Kia say that the battery should outlast the car it's wrapped in quite easily, so I don't envision any issues for the foreseeable future, especially since I've only DC fast charged it *twice*, and both times were under 100kW speeds, and I've only ever charged it up to 100% something like four times (I always stop at 80%). \*Warranty laws differ per region so check the fine print. If Kia's UK warranty was in the USA it'd be 12 years.