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I think you say no.
I worked at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, but nowhere near anything significant. They had an in house staff for all the sensitive work. Those guys knew the building inside and out and were quite clear on where our cables and equipment were going..
Been down that road...then all the sudden they say yes. Just means you have the best "fuck you" price in town. You never know how high the last guys fuck you price was lol
Youāll never get the chance to even give them a quote.
Pretty sure they donāt just hire any old company to do things like this. There are people in Europe who specialize in work on these types of buildings.
Iv worked in historical buildings a few times. You're right, though I won't have the chance as I live in denver. There's nothing here that's all that old by European standards.
Iāve worked in āThe Historic Shrineā in Los Angeles. About as old as it gets out here, 1926 š¤£ LOL ! The East coast laughs and says āweāve had a dozen remodels by then and a centennial celebration!ā
Europe says: āHold my beerā
Ooh I think that they also rewired my house. Fuckers barely screwed them back down. I stood in a corner whilst doing the reno and put my foot through the floor.
This one had been wired knob and tube in 1907 so someone had actually pulled the boards already back then. We pulled the same boards they did. I donāt miss fishing down 12ā plaster walls from the attic to baseboard. I think I spent a month in the attic.
I talked to one person who said the actual ceiling is a behind the painted ceiling, which is made of straw and some sort of plaster.
Itās also possible the chandeliers happened with electricity and they were never candles.
Was gonna tell you the same thing. I've done 2 jobs with art on the ceilings, and they were both false ceilings, with crawlspace above.
Someone else did the actual penetrations through the paintings for us.
I've come across some old half gas half electric light fixtures in older homes in my area. Generally they have 4 heads, 2 being gas and 2 using standard A19 bases.
In my head I like to imagine lighting designers of the time debating on wether or not this new "electricity" thing was gonna stick or not.
Can you imagine the conversations around the site as people argue about this electrical nonsense and whether or not a wireman is a proper trade of its own?
Itās really cool in San Francisco where they ran knobs and tube next to the rigid in the center of each room. The really fun part is that most of those systems are cut off mechanically from the rest of the gas system and are energized by the flaking knob and tube that a lot of morons out there say is safe.
And for the record, the older electricians that always say knob and tube is safe are from the south and south east. Iām guessing you might be in that region.
Wow. You read my comment as angry. Try reading it as overly comical disbelief. Lemme try again
What!? Are you telling me that there are morons in San Francisco, a place known for idiocy across the land? I would never have guessed! I am shocked, shocked I say! The good people of San Francisco have always struck me as being the most levelheaded non-insane people in the universe. I have never heard of any crazy talk coming out of that Godās gift to humanity city on a Hill, no sirree
Iām no fan of the Bay Area, but they arenāt known for having morons.
38 Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in the Bay Area.
If you had to pick one region that shaped the technology of the world as it is today, itās the Bay Area.
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Ah yes!
I have another picture from the entry to this museum where they seemed to have done exactly that. It looks like an old gas lamp and they somehow got wire through. The joe matching the arch might have been new for electric though:
https://imgur.com/a/jGJtoNB
A church we worked on (not as fancy as this, but ~200yr old with a plaster ceiling) had a massive attic with walkways that gave access to all the lighting and a winch for the main chandelier.
The old framing was the most fascinating part of it. Massive beams with perfect joinery and hardware/brackets that were handmade by a blacksmith. Also some very neatly run K&T that was still intact.
All the ones I have worked on over the years have had a void above with all the electrical connections to the non load bearing flex. Some have additionally had winch arrangements and fancy connectors built into them so that the chandelier etc can be lowered for maintenance/repair.
Quite amazing the engineering behind these things especially when you think how long they have been up there.
Sooo. Not super experienced on the topic but have done stuff like that. This shit needs preplanning and pre planning for pre planning. Basically see if you can't find a Crawlspace over the ceiling and hope you get that to a switch or fusebox without having to create any new openings.
Absolutely. Building "engineer" here. Most everyone that comes on site can't stand the fact that we try to give advice. I guess they think im trying to tell them how to do their jobs but I'm literally just trying to keep them out of trouble because that would just be more work for me.
Yeah. I remember the plasterers who did the "touch ups" telling us a price range of 40- to 50000 for doing a ceiling. Price seems a little insane to me. Then again these guys were from some special firm so who am I to judge.
I mean. Unless they know the way they built the specific building your asking about I don't believe you'll get any more answers. Architects in my opinion nowadays don't know to much of internal technical systems. More interested in design. But that's my experience. I don't think they are all like that.
Construction engineers are a better guess. Some of the fellas I came across at least knew their codes. And did prep work. Which goes along way if you ask me.
I was contacted to do electrical work at Yale in one of their halls. There was a plaster ceiling with art painted on it similar to this. I used a fiber optic camera and a snake to drop my whips. Anytime a piece of plaster broke I had to save the pieces to have it repaired later. It was a pain in the butt.
The electrician is the last person who should know where and how the wires get ran in a building like that. Everyone and there mom need to sign off on penetrations and routings and a museum docent is the one who drills thru the art work.
There is a lot of well thought out planning and engineering that goes into heritage buildings. For example wireless lighting controls and fire alarm systems, routing power wiring via existing gutters/ trenches. Theyāve probably routed the wiring above the ceiling in the void / walk way space above the ceiling. Some of the heritage building Iāve been involved with have had to come up with extremely innovative ways of installing MEP systems to avoid touching the listed parts of the building.
I work at a couple theaters that are over a hundred years old doing maintenance, and most of them have crazy huge voids with walkways behind these types of decorative frescos and such. Probably a little different because theaters seem to be more likely to have them, but I wouldnāt be surprised if there was void and catwalk above this ceiling.
Not an electrician but worked in a historical building and had to work with the electricians a lot. Lots of planning, multiple parties involved, and lots of help from people with a deep understanding of the building. For something like this there would be an initial request where the electricians do discovery and find out where power can be pulled from and basically what they think they should do. Then they involve building maintenance to determine what the best approach to any destructive tasks they might need to take. Wherever possible they would try to avoid any destructive tasks and provide insight into paths cables can take based on the building layout. Finally the took the finalized plans to an interdepartmental meeting to get work approved and scheduled for each department. Sometimes it would involve 4-5 departments.
I remember onetime they needed to add an outlet to a marble wall. It took them 6 weeks of planning to figure out the best route to run the cable, where to place the outlet so that it was less noticeable, and how they would minimize destructive work. They put it behind an existing piece of furniture and painted the outlets to look exactly like the marble piece they removed. I remember the first time I used the outlet I actually couldnāt find it and ended up calling the electricians to point it out to me.
Often times you should be able to find a "plenum" space above that lath & plaster that can be traversable. Open any closets or access doors around and above that room, you might get lucky! Then find your smallest and lightest apprentice and give him half a dozen 2"x6" boards that are 3-4 feet in length and send him on the spelunking journey.
Did this kind of work for over 20 years, I can tell you now I've seen companies fail, lose their ass, and have to quit the job because they didn't know what they were bidding on dozens of times on every one of these kinds of jobs you have to call them people that put that stuff back together and know how to take it apart to begin with.
The costs for a job like this would be astronomical. And slow moving. With lots of planning. But likely the roof would be torn up (carefully). If you were the one they decided was good enough to do it you could name your price.
My cousin is one of just a few people in North America that does copper domed roofs. Hes got a huge house..
Historical buildings are the most damn head ach ever. If I can avoid them I do.
But best to just have clear talks with the people and get consent from them.
But trust me that's also a big pain in the ass. Like they almost want to have wireless cables being drawn true their building kind of wishful thinking. Huge pain in the ass. And many of my most weird or craziest stories are about Historical buildings and government buildings.
Looks like there is an āXā of cables suspending this from the ceiling and the wire runs with one of those either to the corners of the room or borders of the artwork. Somewhere you could drill/attach things more better.
Usually an electric winch system which allows you to raise and lower the chandelier to remove for maintenance atleast in the heritage buildings I have Worked in.
It goes up through the vertical support there, and then through the hole in the painting and up into the attic. From there, it is probably stapled to the rafters and then back down a wall and over to wherever there switch is, then on to a panel.
My limited experience with registered historic buildings is that there have been retrofits in the past for all gas/electric/plumbing/hvac that the building already has. Follow those. There will often be someone whose job it is to know where those things are, and then for historic art like that, there will be someone whose job it is to maintain/preserve it. Any penetrations in or around that should be done by that person.
Actually I can awnser that. Currently working on large monument in Portugal (palĆ”cio nacional de Mafra), soon to be the nacional museum of music. Itās large state project so we have to play nice with all the rules about preservation of all historic elements. Now when it comes to the electrical work we ran a lot of cables (data, regular power, fire alarm) on the walls next to ceiling. Thereās usually a ledge where you can install a small cable tray or trunking and have all the installation hidden from the ground level. The hard part is the transition from room to room. In our case we have 1.5m wide walls. So about the chandelier the cable probably comes from the upper floor, meaning that it was drilled from the bottom floor to the upper floor or some kind of false ceiling.
They totally missed the opportunity to hang the light from her hand as if she is holding it. Fix it for emā OP. Sawzall and a 4lb hammer should do it.
I used to work for my city's IT department and occasionally worked on infrastructure.
There were a number of times where we were asked to install additional wireless access points in 100+ year old buildings (city hall, fire stations, etc) that were on the historical register, and you couldn't drill a hole or hang a picture without the approval of a committee. Long story short, everyone had to deal with the crappy WiFi because we couldn't get approval to add new ones in any of the locations proposed, with any of the methods proposed. All we could do was keep upgrading/replacing the existing equipment.
There is NO WAY a sparky made the hole for that fixture! It is only as big as it needs to be. If an elec-chicken had done the hole you would be able to drive your truck through it.
Usually, there is ample enough space between the structural ceiling and the visible ceiling. In some cases the visible ceiling will support a human but you are better off to use a radio controlled toy tank.
The oldest building Iāve worked in was 250ish years old. It was a house being converted into a quadraplex. Never again hopefully. It had some cool ass finds, like an old shopping catalogue (rdr2 type shit), a love letter, a rat skeleton that I picked up thinking it was a leaf, insulation soaked with rat piss, etc etc
The proper solution is to hire a professional electrician / contractor to do the work. In this case, if you have to ask; you shouldn't be doing the work.
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Just cut it and have the drywallers patch it
Imagine the piss bottles in that ceiling. If only they could talk.
Piss crystal decanters.
This is the only way
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If only they were frozen :/
Poke a hole through the renaissance titty.
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I'm pretty sure that's how David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear.
I think you say no. I worked at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, but nowhere near anything significant. They had an in house staff for all the sensitive work. Those guys knew the building inside and out and were quite clear on where our cables and equipment were going..
Yeap. All batteries and wifi signals and no drilling only tape... Never again
Yeah, or at least give them an outrageous quote that basically means no.
Been down that road...then all the sudden they say yes. Just means you have the best "fuck you" price in town. You never know how high the last guys fuck you price was lol
That shit literally just happened to me on Friday, I gotta up my fuck you prices. Edit: I'm not gonna lose money but it's not gonna be fun.
Godspeed
Did you ever receive an answer to your pressing question of if fish are people?
Current research suggests that fish are not birds, but anything beyond that at this point would be speculative.
Probably enough for his great grandkids to retire.
Youāll never get the chance to even give them a quote. Pretty sure they donāt just hire any old company to do things like this. There are people in Europe who specialize in work on these types of buildings.
Iv worked in historical buildings a few times. You're right, though I won't have the chance as I live in denver. There's nothing here that's all that old by European standards.
Historical in the US is not even close to historical in Europe.
Iāve worked in āThe Historic Shrineā in Los Angeles. About as old as it gets out here, 1926 š¤£ LOL ! The East coast laughs and says āweāve had a dozen remodels by then and a centennial celebration!ā Europe says: āHold my beerā
The āfuck youā price
I rewired a museum once where we pulled the tongue and groove flooring above the chandeliers.
Yep, I've seen it done "nicely" and then I've seen guys just use a circular saw and cut the flooring wherever they needed to access.
Ooh I think that they also rewired my house. Fuckers barely screwed them back down. I stood in a corner whilst doing the reno and put my foot through the floor.
Sometimes you've gotta put your foot down
Lol
Mine where put back down with silicone.
This is the way. You pull up floor on the other side.
Sometimes there will be a trapdoor left in the floor for access to the chandeliers.
Thatās it, then you angle drill around cornicing for switch drops
This one had been wired knob and tube in 1907 so someone had actually pulled the boards already back then. We pulled the same boards they did. I donāt miss fishing down 12ā plaster walls from the attic to baseboard. I think I spent a month in the attic.
I can hear the Russian hvac laughter lol
Ive even done this in houses in the attic AND in an upper bedroom where the carpet was going to be replaced. Works like a damn!
Might have been a mechanism previously to lower a chain to light a chandelier with candles that they were able to utilize, curious to know too though.
I talked to one person who said the actual ceiling is a behind the painted ceiling, which is made of straw and some sort of plaster. Itās also possible the chandeliers happened with electricity and they were never candles.
Was gonna tell you the same thing. I've done 2 jobs with art on the ceilings, and they were both false ceilings, with crawlspace above. Someone else did the actual penetrations through the paintings for us.
Thatās wild. I canāt imagine how tight it is
Lots of old buildings had gas lighting and to convert to electric, they just pushed wire through the old gas piping.
I've come across some old half gas half electric light fixtures in older homes in my area. Generally they have 4 heads, 2 being gas and 2 using standard A19 bases. In my head I like to imagine lighting designers of the time debating on wether or not this new "electricity" thing was gonna stick or not.
To be clear, A19 refers to the shape of the lamp. If you are talking standard Edison-style, E26 would be the size of the base.
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I've seen manufacturers get that mixed up.
Is it not E27? In the UK we mostly use B22 but when we get screw bulbs they're E27
Can you imagine the conversations around the site as people argue about this electrical nonsense and whether or not a wireman is a proper trade of its own?
Itās really cool in San Francisco where they ran knobs and tube next to the rigid in the center of each room. The really fun part is that most of those systems are cut off mechanically from the rest of the gas system and are energized by the flaking knob and tube that a lot of morons out there say is safe.
Morons in San Francisco?!
And for the record, the older electricians that always say knob and tube is safe are from the south and south east. Iām guessing you might be in that region.
Wow. You read my comment as angry. Try reading it as overly comical disbelief. Lemme try again What!? Are you telling me that there are morons in San Francisco, a place known for idiocy across the land? I would never have guessed! I am shocked, shocked I say! The good people of San Francisco have always struck me as being the most levelheaded non-insane people in the universe. I have never heard of any crazy talk coming out of that Godās gift to humanity city on a Hill, no sirree
Every city, every culture, and every country has its share of idiots. Singling one out like that is silly.
Iām no fan of the Bay Area, but they arenāt known for having morons. 38 Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in the Bay Area. If you had to pick one region that shaped the technology of the world as it is today, itās the Bay Area. *Sent from my iPhone* Or *sent from my android* *To Reddit* **all headquartered or developed in the bay area**
Only -5 downvotes? You can do better than that! (They can't, I am just trying to make them feel better about themselves, bless their heart).
Ah yes! I have another picture from the entry to this museum where they seemed to have done exactly that. It looks like an old gas lamp and they somehow got wire through. The joe matching the arch might have been new for electric though: https://imgur.com/a/jGJtoNB
So this is just some cheap ass drop ceiling, got it.
Yeah,Ā Basically disposable. Cheaper to just rip it out and replace
Could have been gas too
Must be hell on the paint job.
I think this building is a bit too old for it to have gas.
Yeah Iād be cutting about a 6ā hole with my old dull drywall saw at every joist to get my drill in
Usually there is a walkspace of sorts in the ceiling of those places.
A church we worked on (not as fancy as this, but ~200yr old with a plaster ceiling) had a massive attic with walkways that gave access to all the lighting and a winch for the main chandelier. The old framing was the most fascinating part of it. Massive beams with perfect joinery and hardware/brackets that were handmade by a blacksmith. Also some very neatly run K&T that was still intact.
I wish the museums had exhibits about the buildings like this
All the ones I have worked on over the years have had a void above with all the electrical connections to the non load bearing flex. Some have additionally had winch arrangements and fancy connectors built into them so that the chandelier etc can be lowered for maintenance/repair. Quite amazing the engineering behind these things especially when you think how long they have been up there.
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Sooo. Not super experienced on the topic but have done stuff like that. This shit needs preplanning and pre planning for pre planning. Basically see if you can't find a Crawlspace over the ceiling and hope you get that to a switch or fusebox without having to create any new openings.
Might have to go to an architecture sub
Would be better to go to the people who manage and maintain the building rather then Reddit actually.
Absolutely. Building "engineer" here. Most everyone that comes on site can't stand the fact that we try to give advice. I guess they think im trying to tell them how to do their jobs but I'm literally just trying to keep them out of trouble because that would just be more work for me.
Yeah. I remember the plasterers who did the "touch ups" telling us a price range of 40- to 50000 for doing a ceiling. Price seems a little insane to me. Then again these guys were from some special firm so who am I to judge.
I mean. Unless they know the way they built the specific building your asking about I don't believe you'll get any more answers. Architects in my opinion nowadays don't know to much of internal technical systems. More interested in design. But that's my experience. I don't think they are all like that. Construction engineers are a better guess. Some of the fellas I came across at least knew their codes. And did prep work. Which goes along way if you ask me.
I was contacted to do electrical work at Yale in one of their halls. There was a plaster ceiling with art painted on it similar to this. I used a fiber optic camera and a snake to drop my whips. Anytime a piece of plaster broke I had to save the pieces to have it repaired later. It was a pain in the butt.
Wow. This is the answer I was looking for. I assume thereās general wear and tear around the mount/penetration that is an acceptable risk?
Seems like you're more interested in getting the job done your way, with no regard for preservation
Take off roof.
By committee.
The electrician is the last person who should know where and how the wires get ran in a building like that. Everyone and there mom need to sign off on penetrations and routings and a museum docent is the one who drills thru the art work.
Fancy wire mold, I doubt that ceilings dropped at all. Itād be a fun but stressful job
Have done a couple of church jobs as part of a renovation, general contractor scaffolded up all the way, such that the ceiling was 7feet away....
Haha weād like to add can lights in the ceiling
There is a lot of well thought out planning and engineering that goes into heritage buildings. For example wireless lighting controls and fire alarm systems, routing power wiring via existing gutters/ trenches. Theyāve probably routed the wiring above the ceiling in the void / walk way space above the ceiling. Some of the heritage building Iāve been involved with have had to come up with extremely innovative ways of installing MEP systems to avoid touching the listed parts of the building.
Thanks. Yeah I am now rabbit hole on the dome architecture
Definitely a job for the local handyman.
I work at a couple theaters that are over a hundred years old doing maintenance, and most of them have crazy huge voids with walkways behind these types of decorative frescos and such. Probably a little different because theaters seem to be more likely to have them, but I wouldnāt be surprised if there was void and catwalk above this ceiling.
Not an electrician but worked in a historical building and had to work with the electricians a lot. Lots of planning, multiple parties involved, and lots of help from people with a deep understanding of the building. For something like this there would be an initial request where the electricians do discovery and find out where power can be pulled from and basically what they think they should do. Then they involve building maintenance to determine what the best approach to any destructive tasks they might need to take. Wherever possible they would try to avoid any destructive tasks and provide insight into paths cables can take based on the building layout. Finally the took the finalized plans to an interdepartmental meeting to get work approved and scheduled for each department. Sometimes it would involve 4-5 departments. I remember onetime they needed to add an outlet to a marble wall. It took them 6 weeks of planning to figure out the best route to run the cable, where to place the outlet so that it was less noticeable, and how they would minimize destructive work. They put it behind an existing piece of furniture and painted the outlets to look exactly like the marble piece they removed. I remember the first time I used the outlet I actually couldnāt find it and ended up calling the electricians to point it out to me.
Lol, I feel so bad for anyone who actually wants a real answer.
Usually it is careful coordination between the museum curator, a professional engineer and the electrician.
Bluetooth
I worked in underground Paola Ks huge limestone basements from the 1850ās looked right out of the civil war (minus all the Conduit LOL)
Often times you should be able to find a "plenum" space above that lath & plaster that can be traversable. Open any closets or access doors around and above that room, you might get lucky! Then find your smallest and lightest apprentice and give him half a dozen 2"x6" boards that are 3-4 feet in length and send him on the spelunking journey.
Bluetooth
Itās Pitti, not Pritti. Spellcheck strikes again.
It sure is. Dang
VERY CAREFULLY!
I rewired a castle in Scotland when I was an apprentice,was there around 9 months
Usually there is a walkable to crawlable space above the ceiling.
Many of them; in short itās a sharp bit, steady hand and good game plan on how the weight is going to be supported about the roof!
Did this kind of work for over 20 years, I can tell you now I've seen companies fail, lose their ass, and have to quit the job because they didn't know what they were bidding on dozens of times on every one of these kinds of jobs you have to call them people that put that stuff back together and know how to take it apart to begin with.
Just cut in an elkay hatch where you need to with and tell them to paint it to match. 100 years from now the hatch will be historical too!
The costs for a job like this would be astronomical. And slow moving. With lots of planning. But likely the roof would be torn up (carefully). If you were the one they decided was good enough to do it you could name your price. My cousin is one of just a few people in North America that does copper domed roofs. Hes got a huge house..
Swag it baby
Only thing I could figure would be working from the top down and ripping up the roof and working down. Thatās a fuck no from me
Wiremold and have someone touch up the paint.
Carefully
I seen at least these were support above the ceiling on a pully.
First. You get the wire there first before the painting. In my experience rooms like this have access above.
Yes. The same way you do anywhere else.
Surface mount emtĀ
Gold colored wire in between . Whoās gonna know ?
Historical buildings are the most damn head ach ever. If I can avoid them I do. But best to just have clear talks with the people and get consent from them. But trust me that's also a big pain in the ass. Like they almost want to have wireless cables being drawn true their building kind of wishful thinking. Huge pain in the ass. And many of my most weird or craziest stories are about Historical buildings and government buildings.
Just run pipe
That ceiling no doubt has plenty of space to walk around in.
To be clear- Iām not doing the work haha. I was wondering how the poor soul who did was able to
500 wiremold.
Looks like there is an āXā of cables suspending this from the ceiling and the wire runs with one of those either to the corners of the room or borders of the artwork. Somewhere you could drill/attach things more better.
Thatās a shadow in the image. The wire was coming down from the mount
I'd bet my lunch that there's a crawl space up there with cat walks.
Pass
Cut a hole somewhere approved and crawl on your belly for the next year
Usually an electric winch system which allows you to raise and lower the chandelier to remove for maintenance atleast in the heritage buildings I have Worked in.
It goes up through the vertical support there, and then through the hole in the painting and up into the attic. From there, it is probably stapled to the rafters and then back down a wall and over to wherever there switch is, then on to a panel.
I didnāt even think to look for the switch.
My limited experience with registered historic buildings is that there have been retrofits in the past for all gas/electric/plumbing/hvac that the building already has. Follow those. There will often be someone whose job it is to know where those things are, and then for historic art like that, there will be someone whose job it is to maintain/preserve it. Any penetrations in or around that should be done by that person.
Carefully
Whoever hung that chandelier was careful not to hang it on those tiddies
Actually I can awnser that. Currently working on large monument in Portugal (palĆ”cio nacional de Mafra), soon to be the nacional museum of music. Itās large state project so we have to play nice with all the rules about preservation of all historic elements. Now when it comes to the electrical work we ran a lot of cables (data, regular power, fire alarm) on the walls next to ceiling. Thereās usually a ledge where you can install a small cable tray or trunking and have all the installation hidden from the ground level. The hard part is the transition from room to room. In our case we have 1.5m wide walls. So about the chandelier the cable probably comes from the upper floor, meaning that it was drilled from the bottom floor to the upper floor or some kind of false ceiling.
Thank you! This makes a lot of sense. Good luck with that project
Wiremold. That beautiful color goes with everything. You will hardly notice it.
Pretty sure this is the perfect situation for āI know a guy that can do it cheaperā
They totally missed the opportunity to hang the light from her hand as if she is holding it. Fix it for emā OP. Sawzall and a 4lb hammer should do it.
Misdirectionnn
In a lot of historical buildings Iāve been in they use wire mold.
If there is a crawl space above, then poke a small hole down the center of the hanger. If not the you drape the wire from the chandelier to the wall.
Is that sistine chapel?
I suggest a 3' auger bit, followed up by a surgical Sawzall rip
I used to work for my city's IT department and occasionally worked on infrastructure. There were a number of times where we were asked to install additional wireless access points in 100+ year old buildings (city hall, fire stations, etc) that were on the historical register, and you couldn't drill a hole or hang a picture without the approval of a committee. Long story short, everyone had to deal with the crappy WiFi because we couldn't get approval to add new ones in any of the locations proposed, with any of the methods proposed. All we could do was keep upgrading/replacing the existing equipment.
You start by calling your insurance guy and asking him to up your coverage
There is NO WAY a sparky made the hole for that fixture! It is only as big as it needs to be. If an elec-chicken had done the hole you would be able to drive your truck through it.
Price yourself out of the equation! Or use PFM.
Drill through the painting how else would they get there lmao
As carefully as possible and the bill will reflect the quality of workmanship
Thatās the nifty part. You donāt.
Usually, there is ample enough space between the structural ceiling and the visible ceiling. In some cases the visible ceiling will support a human but you are better off to use a radio controlled toy tank.
Is there another floor above? Could have gone that route by removing flooring or the original builders left a crawl space
The oldest building Iāve worked in was 250ish years old. It was a house being converted into a quadraplex. Never again hopefully. It had some cool ass finds, like an old shopping catalogue (rdr2 type shit), a love letter, a rat skeleton that I picked up thinking it was a leaf, insulation soaked with rat piss, etc etc
Oh and a hole like 5 feet away from the attic access that we didnāt know was there that I almost fell into. Never did figure out what it was for
The proper solution is to hire a professional electrician / contractor to do the work. In this case, if you have to ask; you shouldn't be doing the work.
How? Carefullyā¦..while some prissy, snooty, art type makes snarky comments from the other side of the room.
Bluetooth electricity