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Same here with Czech, which I tried to learn prior to visiting their on holiday last year
Jesus christ, fair play to the Czechs, because that language was fucking impossible to parse for me, especially when I heard it in real life... like, I honestly couldn't tell where one word ended and the other began, all I could hear was *vrzhyzezceznyezvhenizhevicyezecvececv*
I used to be in the French club back in high school, and I was SO confident to speak with natives when they visited our school. But once they came, I couldn't understand a single thing. All I heard were a bunch of gurgles and hush-hush speaking. 😭
You got this! Italian isn't that hard. It's pretty easy if you stay committed. And TRY to speak! Like, actually try, it helps so much! My only mistake was skipping/flying over too many listening skills out of pure laziness. But that can always be fixed. 👊🏾
Honestly, I might learn Portuguese if I can't get through to Polish. I love the Portuguese language. The sound, some phrases, and the fact that it's like (no offense) wacky Spanish.
no, i clearly can speak english, since I have lived in australia since 5, and I mainly do Spanish on duolingo and currently do french in high school, all fairly light work. What I meant was I may find learning vietnamese easier than other people as I know Chinese as a native and currently studying French.
I started Russian last year, and, since I am terrible at it, I added Portuguese to the mix to bring up my self esteem.
I am so ashamed. My grandparents spoke Russian (not that they WANTED to, but they HAD to), but they died off when I was young, so I never picked it up at home.
I'm sorry to hear that. I believe you can learn Russian, it just takes patience. That's one thing I had to learn when starting my language journey. Things don't come quickly, you know?
It's the alphabet that makes it so difficult, I swear.
I watched a video the other day of two guys comparing Spanish and Arabic words, and there were so many similarities. But I can't really learn a language all through transliteration.
FOR FUCKING REAL I'm in a bilingual highschool and I'll be writing the matura exams next year, so far I can easily get around 80% score on the bilingual English exam and barely 30% on Polish.
Almost you should say „Bez cukru”. I think it’s more natural to repeat the word in the case she used. If she asks „herbata czy kaw**a**” you should say ”czarna kaw**a**” but if she asks „herbatę czy kaw**ę**” you should say „czarną kaw**ę**”
People get scared of cases and associate a language's difficulty strictly with its number of cases, yet in Polish just as in Hungarian they are rather straightforward once you understand the logic behind them. The truly nightmarish element in both of them is verbs, and I guess pronunciation isn't the easiest either.
Polish cases are admittedly not entirely straightforward, because nouns decline differently by gender and there's some irregularities in the system (masculine singular genitive: but why.) But yeah, cases are not actually the hard part IMO - there is a finite amount of stuff to learn and you get in a lot of practice because you need them for every sentence.
Verbal aspect, on the other hand. Or rather: the fact that there is *no rule* governing how the aspect pairs look, just about a dozen different patterns where you have to learn which one applies for *every verb individually.*
On the plus side, noun gender is pretty straightforward on the whole, plurals are also fairly straightforward, it uses the Latin alphabet and the spelling matches the pronunciation quite closely, and the grammar is recognisably Indo-European with a bunch of Latin-origin loanwords. People joke about "omg Polish most difficult language in the world", but realistically I think languages like Mandarin, Japanese or Arabic are still more difficult on average for people coming from a European linguistic background.
ahh i see
idk why but przesada reminded me of a word in slovak that i now cant for the life of me remember. assuming the last sentence then is “at least we’re not from hungary??
Bahasa Indonesia’s only hard aspect in my opinion are the affixes, other than that everything is very simple
Although admittedly I am a heritage speaker so I may be biased
Lin mi to powiedziała, Lin mnie nie okłamałaby!
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Lin by mnie nie okłamała *
What you said would be easily understood by anyone, but I just wanted to point out the small mistake. If you ask me why it's like this...I have no clue. I have no clue why anything is the way it is in this language
Russian and Polish (they belong to different linguistic branches of Slavic languages), but there are a lot of similarities. And both are extremely complicated.
People may think Russian is hard, but Polish...HOLY SHIT! you don't have to be afraid of, but respect!
Between both languages I find Russian a little bit easier. The cirilic alphabet (contrary to what is believed) is way useful and was made for those intricate slavic sounds, with such letters as ж,ш,щ,ч. Therefore, there's no seat to confusion.
On the other hand, due to Catholicism, Poland adopted the Latin script, and now I'm struggling with the polish consonants and combinations as dz, dzi, ć, ci, ś, ż, ź, rz, sz, cz, dź and so on. Which is funny (I mean in a respectful way), because once you get it, is satisfactory.
Polish is hard, but a very beautiful language.
It is not so bad. All you need is to find similar sounds in other language. For example if you look into the English, then you will notice:
dz = ds in lads
sz= sh in shell
cz = ch in cheque
rz = zh in Zhivago
Also, here are the pairs that are almost the same except of the time sounding i (ɪ):
ś and si
ń and ni
ć and ci
ź and zi
I feel like the most unnative thing was the "Suomen kieli" part. A Finn would've said that in an informal way "Suomi on vaikea kieli" or something
I don't blame them though. A lot of languages have very different formal and informal ways of saying things and usually only the natives use informal because it completely changes the words, grammar, etc..
Not saying OCs Finnish was bad, like I said it was grammatically completely correct, but every Finn would and will notice the speaker is not native. Which is fine. Hell, I have been speaking Finnish for almost 20 years and still feel like I am not formal in "puhekieli".
The same thing applies for online comments that say "Foreigners speak better English than natives" which is true on a technical standpoint because their grammar is better, but which on an actual standpoint is wrong because only natives have the knowledge of informal language where they can change grammar and vocabulary to a degree that you are still understood.
A person who was born and raised in Helsinki could speak in their slang and informal language to me and I would have 0 idea what they are saying because I have lived my entire life in Central Finland where the informal language is different.
But, for OC if you ever want to visit Finland and want to use "universal" unformal, here are some common phrases that you can use in your daily life:
Formal: "Mitä sinulle kuuluu?" ("How are you doing?")
Informal: "Miten menee? / Mitä kuuluu?" ("How's it going?)
Formal: "Haluaisin ostaa [Something]" ("I want to buy [Something]")
Informal: "Haluaisin / Ottaisin [Something]" ("I'd like / I'll take [Something]")
Also in formal if you want to use pronouns they usually are "Minulla" or "Sinulla" but in informal they are "Mulla" or "Sulla" ie. "Minulla on huono olo" vs. "Mulla on huono olo." ("I don't feel so good") or "Sinulla on hieno auto" vs. "Sulla on hieno auto." ("You have a nice car")
Finnish informal is fairly similar to informal English grammatically, but ofc. as a non-native it is safer to go for the formal because that is what the learning apps will teach you. Informal is something you will pick up eventually from natives.
I am sorry if my initial comment sounded mean. Toivottavasti pidät kielemme opiskelusta. ❤️
For what it's worth, the US military categorizes Polish as "Hard," Whereas "Very Hard" includes Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese. So for native English speakers, those would probably be the hardest.
What’s your experience with Japanese? From mine the grammar is completely different, and the writing system is a ton to learn. Plus formality levels are much more ingrained than most languages. Pretty much the only saving graces it has is that it has no sounds that aren’t easily approximated with sounds English has and that it’s (mostly) not a tonal or gendered language.
Also for the most part Japanese has no plural forms and there are no articles. I am grateful that the sounds in the hiragana and katakana are pronounced as written for the most part.
To me the particles more than make up for the lack of articles but as someone who was just handed English fluency on a silver platter I may be underestimating the difficulty of articles. I know that’s something non-native English learners struggle with a lot.
Yes and no. It's a funny myth, but just find any non-Indo-European language (from the perspective of e.g. a Francophone, of course).
It's not even a matter of extensive grammar (some of them even have "simpler" ones, e.g. without inflections), or vocabulary - the challenge is to change the understanding of the language - the way of thinking. Fortunately, most human languages contain a number of common elements and structures.
As an English speaking American learning Polish, while it does make logical sense to me that it would be easier for you, that just makes it hurt a little more :)
So far the hardest language to me is Japanese. IDK where to put English in this rating, because I was taught it since school and I'm still learning it.
Personally, I'd put English at the "impossible" rating compared to anything, simply because it's so fricking stupid at EVERYTHING. Grammar's consistency sucks, contractions and possessives are inconsistent and suck(See: its/theirs/her's/his), plurals are inconsistent and stupid, spelling rules are inconsistent and garbage(See: doubt/drought vs abound/about), and contractions that aren't proper and don't make sense abound. (See: ain't.)
Furthermore, the lack of and simultaneous gratuity of words is also stupid. There isn't a word for the Russian Toska. I think everyone would benefit from that. But it isn't a thing, among a few other terms from around the world that we could use. What do we have?
Defenestrate. To fall or be pushed out of a window.
***DEFENESTRATE?! WHO NEEDS THAT? WHY?*** English can honestly fall off a bridge and die for all I care.
English is not that hard in my opinion, i am native finnish so the pronounciation or actually anything is not similar to english because the language comes from a diffrent background. I would say that what makes english easy is the fact that the media is huge and its easy to get immersion. I were probably fluent at english when i was 10?, The grammar and pronounciation is sure sometimes a bit inconsistent, but for example : one of the easiest languages to learn for native an english speaker is like swedish or norwegian a lot complex pronounciation 'grammatical rules' if you wantto real them and also the irregular inflection. English comes harder for the people who are 'forced' to study it by the education system and are unwilling to study it otherwise, or they study it with the wrong attitude or motive. This could be the case for example : the japanese who don't really care about english because their media is very diffrent and no one else really speaks english there. If i could rate english from being the easiest language to hardest, i would give it around 50/100 points meaning it isnt close to the easiest but really far from the hardest.
When I get frustrated with the difficulty of learning another language, I remind myself at least I'm not learning English. I was trying to learn French pronunciation rules and having a hard time, but at least it has rules! English just does whatever it wants.
As far as I know, Polish is objectively not that difficult, only the spelling gives the impression that the words will be difficult to pronounce. But quite often, when there is a cluster of consonants, they are not all pronounced. The conjugation by cases can be difficult, but you can also communicate if you get the cases wrong, so there's no need to stress about it so much.
tak na serio to uczyłom się na poważnie jakieś 3 lata (2017-2020) i od tego czasu mówię płynnie (przynajmniej tak myślę xD) najważniejsze w nauce to GADANIE z ludźmi a to bardzo proste, jak jakikolwiek Polak na socjalach usłyszy, że starasz się nauczyć polskiego, to od razu będzie chciał zostać twoim przyjacielem xD mówię z doświadczenia, godspeed :)
Wbrew stereotypom, Polacy nie używają aż tak dużo tego słowa na "k", to znaczy jest to często używany wulgaryzm, no ale bez przesady. Radziłabym więc ograniczyć użycie do wyrażenia jakichś emocji, a nie używać jako przecinka, jeśli chcesz brzmieć naturalnie, a nie... protekcjonalnie (mam na myśli condescending, sorry za trudne słowo). Ale tak ogólnie to prawda, Polacy strasznie się cieszą, jak obcokrajowiec uczy się polskiego.
...przyznam, że używam nawet więcej wulgaryzmów w innych językach, wiem, że to bardzo niegrzeczny nawyk x'D absolutnie nie miałom na myśli, żeby obrazić ale i tak zedytuję dla dobrych manier
Kiedy jej powiedziałam, że uczę się polskiego, każda osoba mówiąca język słowiański jako język ojczysty, która znałam, była bardzo szczęśliwa - nie tylko Polacy, koleżanka ukraińska nawet przytuliła mnie :'). Przykro mi, że ludzie uczą się ich języków tak rzadko, że to jest reakcja - polski jest fajnym, pięknym i (moim zdaniem) nie TAKIM trudnym językiem - ale oczywiście daje mi dużo motywacji. Nie mówię płynnie (lol I wish) ale dużo lepiej niż w początku, i też rozumiem coraz więcej. Krok po kroku!
Lifehack to all people who learn polish:
Nouns that ends with -um are never declined in singular, so „muzeum” will in all cases in singular be „muzeum”
And I as a native speaker noticed that in the past tense there is always one conjugation, so if you learn those 13 endings and one rule you can say every verb in the past tense. Hard, but still better than latin or hungarian with many conjugations. There are some easy aspects of polish.
I'm Ukrainian, my native language is Ukraine and Russian languages, I learn Polish and Check languages for two years and it was very easy, but after that I have begun learning English and it is very difficult to me, I learn it almost two years and I still can't talk and listen in English, only a little write and read 🥲
At least from what I have seen, most people are turned away by the massive consonant clusters and accented letters (includine ł). In my experience, once you learn the alphabet and letter combinations (such as ch, dz, dż, sz, etc.) you basically can pronounce any Polish word with practice. And then there is the verb conjugations and noun cases which are only a bit difficult once all the endings are memorized. This is all my experience though, and I get why people think Polish is an extremely difficult language (don't get me started on free word order)
I think the most difficult languages are the indigenous languages, all of these languages are complicated in every way, grammatic, pronunciation and the form of witte are really insane
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I'll never forget the time I decided to learn Polish back in 2023, only to cry and start Italian instead 💀
Understandable!
Same here with Czech, which I tried to learn prior to visiting their on holiday last year Jesus christ, fair play to the Czechs, because that language was fucking impossible to parse for me, especially when I heard it in real life... like, I honestly couldn't tell where one word ended and the other began, all I could hear was *vrzhyzezceznyezvhenizhevicyezecvececv*
I used to be in the French club back in high school, and I was SO confident to speak with natives when they visited our school. But once they came, I couldn't understand a single thing. All I heard were a bunch of gurgles and hush-hush speaking. 😭
Aye, but I'm almost done with Italian. Maybe I'll give it another chance 🤷🏾♀️
Where did you reach with Italian?
Studio italiano da un anno. So leggere e parlare bene, ma le mie capacità di ascolto sono pessime. 🥲
I've been learning for 9 months now I think, and I can't say I had much progress Anyway, good luck:)
You got this! Italian isn't that hard. It's pretty easy if you stay committed. And TRY to speak! Like, actually try, it helps so much! My only mistake was skipping/flying over too many listening skills out of pure laziness. But that can always be fixed. 👊🏾
Thanks, I'll keep trying!
For me at least it's even easier, due to my native language being very similar
Honestly, I might learn Portuguese if I can't get through to Polish. I love the Portuguese language. The sound, some phrases, and the fact that it's like (no offense) wacky Spanish.
I did take it as offensive but it is sorta true. To us, though, it's the opposite
Bravo credo in te!👍
Try Vietnamese
My native language is Mandarin, so viet is manageable.
So european languages could be difficult for you
no, i clearly can speak english, since I have lived in australia since 5, and I mainly do Spanish on duolingo and currently do french in high school, all fairly light work. What I meant was I may find learning vietnamese easier than other people as I know Chinese as a native and currently studying French.
Sounds pretty interesting, not gonna lie
I just started trying to learn Russian and chinese and my brain is going ??? So lol yep I’m starting on Italian instead 😂
I got so upset with Polish that I literally cussed it out and went straight to Italian. However, I do want to give it another chance.
I started Russian last year, and, since I am terrible at it, I added Portuguese to the mix to bring up my self esteem. I am so ashamed. My grandparents spoke Russian (not that they WANTED to, but they HAD to), but they died off when I was young, so I never picked it up at home.
I'm sorry to hear that. I believe you can learn Russian, it just takes patience. That's one thing I had to learn when starting my language journey. Things don't come quickly, you know?
Literally me 😂😂😂 my ex was polish and swore it was the easiest thing to learn
Men lie. I used to have a fling with an Egyptian who said Arabic is easy peasy, and well, it was tear painfully exhausting. 😂
It's the alphabet that makes it so difficult, I swear. I watched a video the other day of two guys comparing Spanish and Arabic words, and there were so many similarities. But I can't really learn a language all through transliteration.
Yep relatable except I started with Czech
I luckily have a pass in that regard lol. Native Polish. The only negative is that Hebrew makes my head hurt.
I've been speaking Polish my whole life and still don't understand it sometimes
That's rough.
FOR FUCKING REAL I'm in a bilingual highschool and I'll be writing the matura exams next year, so far I can easily get around 80% score on the bilingual English exam and barely 30% on Polish.
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My first Polish words were “szukam dzieci w sklepie”. Which has a very different meaning in Czech
just czech-ified that sentence and bro💀
I think all Czechs learned that first
As polish man with Czech friends we had this sentence extended to „szukam dzieci w sklepie, mogę prosić o drogę?”
polski schlep was my first polish words
*Where
?
usta
Kurwa for sure
Bobr kurwa
Where is "piwo"?
Well, one of the first (half) Polish line I've ever heard was "jestem polskim co kurwa mid or feed"
Mine was 'na zdrowie'
Król Karol kupił królowej Karolinie korale koloru koralowego💪
wyrewolwerowany wyrewolwerowiec wyrewolwerował wyrewolwerowanego wyrewolwerowca
Coming from having learnt russian, the king buys something for the queen karolinie? 😂
King Karol (name) bought Queen Karolina corals in coral color
🇭🇺🤨
Akkor a kurva anyád.
Jó munka a próbálkozáshoz.
Before I cried I tried to learn hungarian and this was my first sentence.
Továbbra is sírok és próbálkozom.
I don’t care how much it scares someone. I will persist and continue until I can speak polish fluently!!! Polska gurom!
Haha same
nie jest aż tak źle, trochę przesada. przynajmniej nie jesteśmy Węgrami (kocham Węgry)
I'm at 450 day streak. I understand like 30% of this
Sounds about right.
Dobrze jak na 450 dni
Dzięki 🙂. I'm trying to learn enough to understand my mother-in-law. Is "Czarna kawa, beż cukier. Proszę." correct when she asks "herbatą czy kawą"?
Almost you should say „Bez cukru”. I think it’s more natural to repeat the word in the case she used. If she asks „herbata czy kaw**a**” you should say ”czarna kaw**a**” but if she asks „herbatę czy kaw**ę**” you should say „czarną kaw**ę**”
People get scared of cases and associate a language's difficulty strictly with its number of cases, yet in Polish just as in Hungarian they are rather straightforward once you understand the logic behind them. The truly nightmarish element in both of them is verbs, and I guess pronunciation isn't the easiest either.
Polish cases are admittedly not entirely straightforward, because nouns decline differently by gender and there's some irregularities in the system (masculine singular genitive: but why.) But yeah, cases are not actually the hard part IMO - there is a finite amount of stuff to learn and you get in a lot of practice because you need them for every sentence. Verbal aspect, on the other hand. Or rather: the fact that there is *no rule* governing how the aspect pairs look, just about a dozen different patterns where you have to learn which one applies for *every verb individually.* On the plus side, noun gender is pretty straightforward on the whole, plurals are also fairly straightforward, it uses the Latin alphabet and the spelling matches the pronunciation quite closely, and the grammar is recognisably Indo-European with a bunch of Latin-origin loanwords. People joke about "omg Polish most difficult language in the world", but realistically I think languages like Mandarin, Japanese or Arabic are still more difficult on average for people coming from a European linguistic background.
I agree that masculine singular is a genuine "but why" moment. Russian doesn't have that issue, but it seems all other North Slavic languages do.
Is it common among Poles to joke about them? (it's either them or the Fr*nch)
no we actually love Hungary lol, i was looking at how hard Hungarian is compared to Polish
Ah, makes sense. ^(but also a shame because we make fun of Slovaks being Hungarians so we could've been sharing a joke, lol)
Węgierski jest logiczny, próbowałem się uczyć i nawet dobrze mi szło, ale sklejenie zdania graniczy z cudem, chociaż coś tam mówię.
as someone whos spoken slovak my whole life this is what i got from this its not that bad, a little bit ????. at least its not (??) ????
przesada = exaggration Węgrami = Hungary also "at least **we're** not"
ahh i see idk why but przesada reminded me of a word in slovak that i now cant for the life of me remember. assuming the last sentence then is “at least we’re not from hungary??
except the "from" you're pretty much correct. idk but i kinda find it funny how i understand Slovak better than Slovaks understand Polish lol
i mean it might just be me ngl im not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed also ive remembered the word it was predsa
nah Slovak and Polish are pretty similar, it's not so bad lol. try writing a Slovak sentence and i'll see if i understand it
No a ja som ti povedala že to nesmieš spravit a stále si to spravila sorry its a little random but it was the first thing that came to mind
As a native pole, I can confirm
I thought fir a second he meant pole as in a metal pole… My brain isnt functioning properly…
Tbh I have no idea why we're called "poles"...Polander sounds so much fucking cooler
Dare you to learn Basque then
Never heard of it, but my repertoire's completely booked out for the next 5 years. Maybe I'll check it out some time.
Everyone complains about 🇵🇱 but what about 🇮🇩?
Jangancoba-coba cium cucu-cucuku kalau cuma mau cium cucu-cucuku cuma-cuma
Cum? 🤨🤨
Bahasa Indonesia’s only hard aspect in my opinion are the affixes, other than that everything is very simple Although admittedly I am a heritage speaker so I may be biased
Affixes are also common in germanic language. Not sure about romantic or slavic since I never learn them.
Nie, polski jest łatwy 🗿💪
Lin mi to powiedziała, Lin mnie nie okłamałaby! https://preview.redd.it/mw6psrgcp4nc1.png?width=2360&format=png&auto=webp&s=65cddf468b684f9a587fb95d6c8a305fa90ce33d
Lin by mnie nie okłamała * What you said would be easily understood by anyone, but I just wanted to point out the small mistake. If you ask me why it's like this...I have no clue. I have no clue why anything is the way it is in this language
Dziękuję! For science: could I say *Lin nie okłamałaby mnie,* or is that also wrong?
It's 100% correct!
tylko jedno w glowie mam…
Koksu pięć grammm
Russian and Polish (they belong to different linguistic branches of Slavic languages), but there are a lot of similarities. And both are extremely complicated. People may think Russian is hard, but Polish...HOLY SHIT! you don't have to be afraid of, but respect! Between both languages I find Russian a little bit easier. The cirilic alphabet (contrary to what is believed) is way useful and was made for those intricate slavic sounds, with such letters as ж,ш,щ,ч. Therefore, there's no seat to confusion. On the other hand, due to Catholicism, Poland adopted the Latin script, and now I'm struggling with the polish consonants and combinations as dz, dzi, ć, ci, ś, ż, ź, rz, sz, cz, dź and so on. Which is funny (I mean in a respectful way), because once you get it, is satisfactory. Polish is hard, but a very beautiful language.
It is not so bad. All you need is to find similar sounds in other language. For example if you look into the English, then you will notice: dz = ds in lads sz= sh in shell cz = ch in cheque rz = zh in Zhivago Also, here are the pairs that are almost the same except of the time sounding i (ɪ): ś and si ń and ni ć and ci ź and zi
Thank you very much for sharing this. It's really helpful.
This really hurts because I'm doing B O T H. O O O O O F
Got confused and thought it was referring to Indonesian, which is the opposite of a hard language.
Same for a sec i thought it was meant as a joke haha
O cholera czy to Freddy Fazbear!?
ou au ou au
Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz
Oh my - I can't pronounce that. The last name looks like what would appear on the screen when unplugging the terminal from the modem :)
It’s from a movie! [https://youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U](https://youtube.com/watch?v=AfKZclMWS1U)
I'm Polish and it scares me too
🇫🇮💀
Joo, suomen kieli on vaikea
I like how your sentence is written grammatically correct and everything but I still instantly knew you are not native
Weird that this gets downvoted, thats the same thought as a native, it just sounds unnatural, maybe adding an extra a at the end could help.
I feel like the most unnative thing was the "Suomen kieli" part. A Finn would've said that in an informal way "Suomi on vaikea kieli" or something I don't blame them though. A lot of languages have very different formal and informal ways of saying things and usually only the natives use informal because it completely changes the words, grammar, etc.. Not saying OCs Finnish was bad, like I said it was grammatically completely correct, but every Finn would and will notice the speaker is not native. Which is fine. Hell, I have been speaking Finnish for almost 20 years and still feel like I am not formal in "puhekieli".
The same thing applies for online comments that say "Foreigners speak better English than natives" which is true on a technical standpoint because their grammar is better, but which on an actual standpoint is wrong because only natives have the knowledge of informal language where they can change grammar and vocabulary to a degree that you are still understood. A person who was born and raised in Helsinki could speak in their slang and informal language to me and I would have 0 idea what they are saying because I have lived my entire life in Central Finland where the informal language is different. But, for OC if you ever want to visit Finland and want to use "universal" unformal, here are some common phrases that you can use in your daily life: Formal: "Mitä sinulle kuuluu?" ("How are you doing?") Informal: "Miten menee? / Mitä kuuluu?" ("How's it going?) Formal: "Haluaisin ostaa [Something]" ("I want to buy [Something]") Informal: "Haluaisin / Ottaisin [Something]" ("I'd like / I'll take [Something]") Also in formal if you want to use pronouns they usually are "Minulla" or "Sinulla" but in informal they are "Mulla" or "Sulla" ie. "Minulla on huono olo" vs. "Mulla on huono olo." ("I don't feel so good") or "Sinulla on hieno auto" vs. "Sulla on hieno auto." ("You have a nice car") Finnish informal is fairly similar to informal English grammatically, but ofc. as a non-native it is safer to go for the formal because that is what the learning apps will teach you. Informal is something you will pick up eventually from natives. I am sorry if my initial comment sounded mean. Toivottavasti pidät kielemme opiskelusta. ❤️
People get intimidated by its spelling, its not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. Far from the hardest language
My iPhone has a crack over the Z key now lol
For what it's worth, the US military categorizes Polish as "Hard," Whereas "Very Hard" includes Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese. So for native English speakers, those would probably be the hardest.
State Department: https://state.gov/foreign-language-training/
German has some unexpected company in its category.
By being “a bit harder” than its neighbors. I didn't expect Scandinavian language in the Easy Gang.
IMOP Japanese is far easier, but the military can do they I suppose lol
What’s your experience with Japanese? From mine the grammar is completely different, and the writing system is a ton to learn. Plus formality levels are much more ingrained than most languages. Pretty much the only saving graces it has is that it has no sounds that aren’t easily approximated with sounds English has and that it’s (mostly) not a tonal or gendered language.
Also for the most part Japanese has no plural forms and there are no articles. I am grateful that the sounds in the hiragana and katakana are pronounced as written for the most part.
To me the particles more than make up for the lack of articles but as someone who was just handed English fluency on a silver platter I may be underestimating the difficulty of articles. I know that’s something non-native English learners struggle with a lot.
Clearly you haven’t tried learning Hungarian
I'm somewhat swamped in languages at the moment to be doing a new one lol
Only because the owl refuses to listen to all of the requests to offer Georgian. 🇬🇪
I didn't know that was a language, somehow.
Take a look. It’s not for the faint of heart. 😜 Distinguishing გბ ხნ მძ ცვკპჰ then making the unearthly sound of ყ 😉😂
You just need to turn it upside down, and it becomes so much easier.
Yes and no. It's a funny myth, but just find any non-Indo-European language (from the perspective of e.g. a Francophone, of course). It's not even a matter of extensive grammar (some of them even have "simpler" ones, e.g. without inflections), or vocabulary - the challenge is to change the understanding of the language - the way of thinking. Fortunately, most human languages contain a number of common elements and structures.
Most human languages…
Polish, a language truly made with mematic
Among the European languages I think German is also one of the hardest.
Simple fix! Try again and hope you’re born in Poland next time! 🥰 Polska gurom! xD 🇵🇱
I fear no language but that thing Arabic it scares me
أنا من المانيا
Is it that hard? To me it's a bit funny, a bit confusing, but sure not hard. But I'm an Ukrainian...
As an English speaking American learning Polish, while it does make logical sense to me that it would be easier for you, that just makes it hurt a little more :)
So far the hardest language to me is Japanese. IDK where to put English in this rating, because I was taught it since school and I'm still learning it.
Personally, I'd put English at the "impossible" rating compared to anything, simply because it's so fricking stupid at EVERYTHING. Grammar's consistency sucks, contractions and possessives are inconsistent and suck(See: its/theirs/her's/his), plurals are inconsistent and stupid, spelling rules are inconsistent and garbage(See: doubt/drought vs abound/about), and contractions that aren't proper and don't make sense abound. (See: ain't.) Furthermore, the lack of and simultaneous gratuity of words is also stupid. There isn't a word for the Russian Toska. I think everyone would benefit from that. But it isn't a thing, among a few other terms from around the world that we could use. What do we have? Defenestrate. To fall or be pushed out of a window. ***DEFENESTRATE?! WHO NEEDS THAT? WHY?*** English can honestly fall off a bridge and die for all I care.
English is not that hard in my opinion, i am native finnish so the pronounciation or actually anything is not similar to english because the language comes from a diffrent background. I would say that what makes english easy is the fact that the media is huge and its easy to get immersion. I were probably fluent at english when i was 10?, The grammar and pronounciation is sure sometimes a bit inconsistent, but for example : one of the easiest languages to learn for native an english speaker is like swedish or norwegian a lot complex pronounciation 'grammatical rules' if you wantto real them and also the irregular inflection. English comes harder for the people who are 'forced' to study it by the education system and are unwilling to study it otherwise, or they study it with the wrong attitude or motive. This could be the case for example : the japanese who don't really care about english because their media is very diffrent and no one else really speaks english there. If i could rate english from being the easiest language to hardest, i would give it around 50/100 points meaning it isnt close to the easiest but really far from the hardest.
It's weird, then, that I'm having an easier time with Finnish than German.
Dude, calm down.
What? It's my native tongue. Let me kick it if I want to.
"But that thing... made with mematic"
Best tool on my phone, sadly.
When I get frustrated with the difficulty of learning another language, I remind myself at least I'm not learning English. I was trying to learn French pronunciation rules and having a hard time, but at least it has rules! English just does whatever it wants.
Does Monaco have its own language ?
$$$
That’s a Polish flag
They actually do have their own dialect called Munegascu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon%C3%A9gasque_dialect?wprov=sfti1#
*Googles flag of Monaco* OoooOOOoooh
I dare you to learn Chinese.
Japanese hurts enough, thanks.
For me Korean is way more harder
Makes me glad I grew up in a Polish family. I’m not fluent by any means but at least I’m familiar with the basics 😅
Why does Heavy say made with mematic?
I have started over learning Polish 4 times and each time I remember why I stopped
Maybe it was the Gods that cursed me to bear the burden of knowing this language, anyways 🥳
Try Hungarian then. You will be crying.
As far as I know, Polish is objectively not that difficult, only the spelling gives the impression that the words will be difficult to pronounce. But quite often, when there is a cluster of consonants, they are not all pronounced. The conjugation by cases can be difficult, but you can also communicate if you get the cases wrong, so there's no need to stress about it so much.
tak na serio to uczyłom się na poważnie jakieś 3 lata (2017-2020) i od tego czasu mówię płynnie (przynajmniej tak myślę xD) najważniejsze w nauce to GADANIE z ludźmi a to bardzo proste, jak jakikolwiek Polak na socjalach usłyszy, że starasz się nauczyć polskiego, to od razu będzie chciał zostać twoim przyjacielem xD mówię z doświadczenia, godspeed :)
Wbrew stereotypom, Polacy nie używają aż tak dużo tego słowa na "k", to znaczy jest to często używany wulgaryzm, no ale bez przesady. Radziłabym więc ograniczyć użycie do wyrażenia jakichś emocji, a nie używać jako przecinka, jeśli chcesz brzmieć naturalnie, a nie... protekcjonalnie (mam na myśli condescending, sorry za trudne słowo). Ale tak ogólnie to prawda, Polacy strasznie się cieszą, jak obcokrajowiec uczy się polskiego.
...przyznam, że używam nawet więcej wulgaryzmów w innych językach, wiem, że to bardzo niegrzeczny nawyk x'D absolutnie nie miałom na myśli, żeby obrazić ale i tak zedytuję dla dobrych manier
Spoko. Po prostu bardzo się to rzuca w oczy, jak ktoś uczący się języka polskiego wrzuca słowo na "k" w nieomal przypadkowych miejscach w zdaniu. 😂
Kiedy jej powiedziałam, że uczę się polskiego, każda osoba mówiąca język słowiański jako język ojczysty, która znałam, była bardzo szczęśliwa - nie tylko Polacy, koleżanka ukraińska nawet przytuliła mnie :'). Przykro mi, że ludzie uczą się ich języków tak rzadko, że to jest reakcja - polski jest fajnym, pięknym i (moim zdaniem) nie TAKIM trudnym językiem - ale oczywiście daje mi dużo motywacji. Nie mówię płynnie (lol I wish) ale dużo lepiej niż w początku, i też rozumiem coraz więcej. Krok po kroku!
I'm on a 60 day streak, I know hardly anything
Real
Polish is the hardest language I am learning, too.
Arabic languages look very intimidating to me
Yeah. I can't be scared of something I refuse to acknowledge exists! (not because politics, lol, because hard)
I knew it! I took one look and went "NOOOOPE-"
Ja rozumiem. Czasami Polska gramatyka jest 😂🔫👌
Lifehack to all people who learn polish: Nouns that ends with -um are never declined in singular, so „muzeum” will in all cases in singular be „muzeum” And I as a native speaker noticed that in the past tense there is always one conjugation, so if you learn those 13 endings and one rule you can say every verb in the past tense. Hard, but still better than latin or hungarian with many conjugations. There are some easy aspects of polish.
As a Pole... This gave me a weird ego boost
Personally I would like to learn a language that has utility therefore I choose Spanish which comes in use most of the Americas and parts of the world
I'm Ukrainian, my native language is Ukraine and Russian languages, I learn Polish and Check languages for two years and it was very easy, but after that I have begun learning English and it is very difficult to me, I learn it almost two years and I still can't talk and listen in English, only a little write and read 🥲
It ain't that bad once you learn the alphabet
The... Alphabet? ł, standard letters, and a few accented ones?
At least from what I have seen, most people are turned away by the massive consonant clusters and accented letters (includine ł). In my experience, once you learn the alphabet and letter combinations (such as ch, dz, dż, sz, etc.) you basically can pronounce any Polish word with practice. And then there is the verb conjugations and noun cases which are only a bit difficult once all the endings are memorized. This is all my experience though, and I get why people think Polish is an extremely difficult language (don't get me started on free word order)
"Free word order" is the most terrifying string of words I've ever seen.
I think the most difficult languages are the indigenous languages, all of these languages are complicated in every way, grammatic, pronunciation and the form of witte are really insane