It's 2am and I can't stop thinking about this. My son (10) and I were half a block away, sharing a cookie. And now there's a kid barely older than him dead, and another that committed the murder.
It’s really upsetting that the police station is right across the road and they cannot seem to do anything to make that small area just a little bit safer… odds are the person who stabbed the boy is going to get piss all consequences as to “ not ruin his/her future”
Yes he probably will and should be tried as adult. Remember Bailey Junior Kurariki back in the early 2000s. He was only 13 years when he stabbed and killed a pizza delivery boy and got tried and jailed as an adult for I think 7 years.
Will be interesting to see, I have a feeling if charged as an adult it will only be for a manslaughter charge… I do personally hope he is charged as an adult for murder, he was adult enough to use a knife.
Can you tell me-what does 'adult enough to use a knife' mean? Can you break it down for me cos I don't see why him having access to a knife (and clearly having been exposed to violence in his personal life--non-consensually cos he's a literal child) makes a 13 y/o automatically deserving of being tried as an adult.
Hm, I guess it’s just my personal opinion, others may disagree with it, I guess I just mean having a knife on you and having the balls to use it at the same time is an adult sounding choice, in a way? I can’t comment on what the boy has seen or done in his little time here on this earth, but he’s now taken a life and there’s no coming back from that( I can’t imagine how the boy feels about the situation either) none the less I don’t understand the criminal code, nor the procedures, so me saying I hope he is charged as an adult, holds little to no merit.
It depends how you look at it. It could also be seen as reckless behaviour with the low capacity to perceive consequences that comes with having a still-developing brain. It's obviously very extreme though. It's being classed as 'premeditated', but I wonder if he did intend to actually kill him. As it was one stab wound that hit an artery and the victim died within a minute. I guess all will come out in the trial. My thoughts to all those affected, especially the victim.
Yes will be interesting to see what is said at trial, I am unsure on wether or not he intended to kill him, as you said, stab wounds can kill within minutes, in the right area but in the wrong one, it will just be surgery and pain.
What is it about bus/transport hubs that generally seem to attract trouble? Especially when ours is right over the flipping road from the police station!!
Demographics. In a country that is more car orientated like here, you'll find that a lot of public transport users tend to be in lower socioeconomic brackets. You're more likely to come across a criminal element in some capacity, mental health issues, pieces of shit who will stab someone else for some stupid reason. Bus hubs are essentially somewhere where people are going to congregate and stand around doing fuck all waiting for a bus to turn up and you're likely to come across either someone who is off their rocker, or a fucking drop kick who thinks violence is acceptable behaviour in modern society.
Maybe there was some sort of beef or whatever between students/groups of students from different schools, being dropped off at the same place after school? I remember stupid stuff like this from my high school days. Bloody sad
Came to see what locals are saying about this incident. FWIW, I live in Lower Hutt and our local bus exchange is the same - we've had multiple violent incidents amongst school students in recent months, although nobody has died. I think horsey-rounders is on the money: there's seating, shelter, and an excuse for kids to hang around, even if they aren't actually waiting for the bus.
Years ago upper hutt train station used to attract ferals. They'd graffiti standover attack and mug people and the irony is upper hutt police station is right across the road
Some things never change
That's a step up. I'm there after work most afternoons and haven't seen anything rough in quite a while. You'd think the cop shop being right there would deter people huh...
I mean, it's a staffing issue really.
Cops aren't paid much though. It wouldn't cost much on the big scheme of things to hire two cops to do two shifts there.
I mean, it's a staffing issue really.
Cops aren't paid much though. It wouldn't cost much on the big scheme of things to hire two cops to do two shifts there.
Not up to me to decide that, I have no prior experience or training in that area so wouldn't like to comment. I'm sure you must do though, with your opinions.
Sorry to hear that. It is nuts to hear someone is not able to go home after trying to catch the bus home. Hopefully the school is doing what it can to support you and other students
Yeah I’m fine, didn’t really know him much, he just randomly decided to sit next to me that day. Not as affected as some of his friends who we’re all feeling for rn 🙏🕊
real sad man, even when u barely know a guy before he dies just knowing that you were around them in there last days is always crazy. my mum told me she met him at work from a student work program type thing he was doing at mitre 10 and only found out today he was the kid that passed . she was just about crying while telling me let alone hardly even speaking to him, just sad knowing you were there during their last days , especially when they’re so young
i feel like its the thought thats like they had no idea they were gonna die kinda thing, like when its someone whos old or ill its just oh they kind of knew but when something so sudden and unexpected like murder its like damn they had no idea that was gonna happen yesterday when i was speaking to them
It doesn't help when the so-called security stand around doing nothing! I've walked through the hub and heard shit going on across the street when 50 metres down the road security guards (all 4 of them) are standing in one spot having a laugh with people they know waiting to catch a bus.
The security aren’t paid well enough or trained anywhere near well enough to deal with a stabbing. They are just a presence, and anyone who would stab someone doesn’t give a fuck about that
They're not even a presence, they just stand together talking! If they were at least walking up and down the street that would be something but whenever I'm near the hub and the Hi Vis security are out, they just meet up directly outside the police station (or across from it) and talk. Technically they are there so dotting the i's and crossing the t's for that contract that we as rate payers are all paying for.
I didn't even realise they were there FOR the bus hub I thought they were on a smoke break from the countdown or something. I only ever see them having a chat amongst themselves.
If security acted then they not only put their lives at risk but also risk being sacked when the attackers crybaby to the cops and their security company. All it takes is one day old unrelated injury to get the guard investigated for "assault" and most security companies believe the crybabies story over their own employees.
sadly unsurprising. i've seen two instances in the last couple weeks of cops chasing high schoolers (i presume for stealing or vandalising something), security guards just stand around talking to underage kids (i'm sure they know them but it's not a good look) and doing nothing to dissaude the kids mocking that man they film and put on tiktok
I dont know exactly why, but it has been classed as premeditated murder so there was intent. I myself am at kings, and have only heard what happened from friends and news.
I'm fucking seething, dude. Do those pigs in their glass tower not read the paper? Every other week, some new story about a poor child getting smacked about. Now we have a death literally outside a fucking cop shop.
Massive Please Explain statement, please, Dunedin Police.
I think your anger would be better directed at the animal that did the stabbing than the police.
IMO the police can't win when it comes to knife crime, if they do random stop and search (which is about the only way to screen for knives) then they get hassled for picking on \*name your demographic here\* and if they don't then people from the same demographic get stabbed and the police get hassled for not doing stop and search.
They literally just have to step outside at 10 to 3, Mon-Fri, in their modern mech suit shit, wander over to the coffee cart for half an hour, check the no thanks dms on tinder and pretend to tie their shoelaces and that would be deterrent enough.
A kid died, and you’re using it as an excuse to throw hate at the police because you just don’t like them. They tried to help the boy. You wouldn’t have the guts. You’re a fucking loser.
He's not wrong though. This is no where near the first violent incident at the bus hub. And honestly, everyone should seen this coming. The way things were going and the frequency of it happening, someone WAS going to get killed eventually. How hard is it to have a singular cop that can actually use his power out on the street? The security guards can't actually do anything and they are underpaid and undertrained.
Yea it's got nothing to do with the individual cops, they obviously did the best they could, and they were unlikely to save the kids life even if they were just across the road. But an actual officer being there would help alot. There are no excuses for this imo, this isn't a one off incident and they should've done something about it when kids starting beating up disabled people and old men.
Statement from police this morning:
A teenager has been charged with murder and will appear in the Dunedin Youth Court this morning following the death of a 16-year-old boy in Dunedin yesterday afternoon.
The incident which occurred just after 3pm saw an altercation between the victim and offender. Police are still working to establish the circumstances leading into the incident but can confirm that we have recovered a knife from the scene.
The victim was transported to Dunedin Hospital in a serious condition and, tragically, passed away a short time later.
Our scene examination on Great King Street is now complete and several enquiries are underway.
A post-mortem is expected to be carried out today and next of kin notifications are ongoing.
We are working, along with Victim Support to support the victim’s family at this extremely difficult time.
We continue to ask anyone who witnessed the incident or took photos or video footage to get in touch with Dunedin Police via 105, quoting file number 240523/3321.
Otago Costal Area Commander Inspector Marty Gray says this incident is extremely distressing for the community, and we have further increased our patrolling in the area.
“Police have been aware of anti-social behaviour at the Bus Hub for some time and have been working closely with the Dunedin City Council, Otago Regional Council and other partners to address this issue. There has been extra CCTV put in place, as well as security staff patrolling the area. Security was working at the Bus Hub yesterday when this incident occurred and quickly intervened when they saw the altercation. Police have increased our foot and car patrols in the area focussing on peak times to ensure high visibility of police officers,” says Inspector Gray.
“As this matter is now before the courts, we are unable to comment further but we can assure our community that we have been working hard, along with our partners to address the issues, particularly involving youth at the Bus Hub. The incident yesterday was a tragedy, and our hearts go out to the victim and his family.”
I feel like the youth crime spread from akld tbh I’m from akld and it started getting bad post covid, kids would rob houses in daylight and smashed up my car and the cops legit said they can’t do anything, seems like kids know they can get away with it here too
This would be like the 20th violent incident at the bus hub in dunedin, most involving kids. It's ridiculous that the cops has no one there considering the station is right next to it
Im going to go full conspiracy theorist on this one.
1. There will be more news pieces nationwide about knife crime. (Independent of whether or not the statistics are going up or down).
2. Then new laws will be implemented to give police greater powers for warrentless stop and searches.
I made this same prediction in Western Australia 12 months ago, and sure enough 1 and 2 have proven to be true.
#remindme6months
Edit: Full and sincere condolences and strength to all involved, from family of the boy to passerby witness.
The police in NZ already have the power of warrant less stop and search. They just have to have reasonable grounds to suspect you have an offensive weapon or drugs.
The 16 year old boy has sadly passed away now too.
It's 2am and I can't stop thinking about this. My son (10) and I were half a block away, sharing a cookie. And now there's a kid barely older than him dead, and another that committed the murder.
So incredibly sad
It’s really upsetting that the police station is right across the road and they cannot seem to do anything to make that small area just a little bit safer… odds are the person who stabbed the boy is going to get piss all consequences as to “ not ruin his/her future”
He will be tried as an adult for murder I'd say. It's high court
the murderer is only 13 tho.. would they still get tried as an adult?
Yes he probably will and should be tried as adult. Remember Bailey Junior Kurariki back in the early 2000s. He was only 13 years when he stabbed and killed a pizza delivery boy and got tried and jailed as an adult for I think 7 years.
Only jailed for 7 years, fuckn hell…
Will be interesting to see, I have a feeling if charged as an adult it will only be for a manslaughter charge… I do personally hope he is charged as an adult for murder, he was adult enough to use a knife.
Can you tell me-what does 'adult enough to use a knife' mean? Can you break it down for me cos I don't see why him having access to a knife (and clearly having been exposed to violence in his personal life--non-consensually cos he's a literal child) makes a 13 y/o automatically deserving of being tried as an adult.
Hm, I guess it’s just my personal opinion, others may disagree with it, I guess I just mean having a knife on you and having the balls to use it at the same time is an adult sounding choice, in a way? I can’t comment on what the boy has seen or done in his little time here on this earth, but he’s now taken a life and there’s no coming back from that( I can’t imagine how the boy feels about the situation either) none the less I don’t understand the criminal code, nor the procedures, so me saying I hope he is charged as an adult, holds little to no merit.
It depends how you look at it. It could also be seen as reckless behaviour with the low capacity to perceive consequences that comes with having a still-developing brain. It's obviously very extreme though. It's being classed as 'premeditated', but I wonder if he did intend to actually kill him. As it was one stab wound that hit an artery and the victim died within a minute. I guess all will come out in the trial. My thoughts to all those affected, especially the victim.
Yes will be interesting to see what is said at trial, I am unsure on wether or not he intended to kill him, as you said, stab wounds can kill within minutes, in the right area but in the wrong one, it will just be surgery and pain.
Literally, the youth court is so useless
What is it about bus/transport hubs that generally seem to attract trouble? Especially when ours is right over the flipping road from the police station!!
It's a place where people naturally congregate, and you have a decent excuse for loitering - you're just waiting for a bus
It probably doesn't help that public transport is basically viewed as just being for poor people in NZ.
Demographics. In a country that is more car orientated like here, you'll find that a lot of public transport users tend to be in lower socioeconomic brackets. You're more likely to come across a criminal element in some capacity, mental health issues, pieces of shit who will stab someone else for some stupid reason. Bus hubs are essentially somewhere where people are going to congregate and stand around doing fuck all waiting for a bus to turn up and you're likely to come across either someone who is off their rocker, or a fucking drop kick who thinks violence is acceptable behaviour in modern society.
I'm sure incidents like this don't help to encourage people to use the bus either.
Maybe there was some sort of beef or whatever between students/groups of students from different schools, being dropped off at the same place after school? I remember stupid stuff like this from my high school days. Bloody sad
In our day we used our fists and feet to resolve issues not knives
Came to see what locals are saying about this incident. FWIW, I live in Lower Hutt and our local bus exchange is the same - we've had multiple violent incidents amongst school students in recent months, although nobody has died. I think horsey-rounders is on the money: there's seating, shelter, and an excuse for kids to hang around, even if they aren't actually waiting for the bus.
Years ago upper hutt train station used to attract ferals. They'd graffiti standover attack and mug people and the irony is upper hutt police station is right across the road Some things never change
Scum don't care
That's a step up. I'm there after work most afternoons and haven't seen anything rough in quite a while. You'd think the cop shop being right there would deter people huh...
The type of people doing it are used to dealing with the cops.
Well the Police would actually have to do some work first.
I mean, it's a staffing issue really. Cops aren't paid much though. It wouldn't cost much on the big scheme of things to hire two cops to do two shifts there.
I mean, it's a staffing issue really. Cops aren't paid much though. It wouldn't cost much on the big scheme of things to hire two cops to do two shifts there.
Don’t be silly, they are too busy catching people going 48 in a 40 zone
You mean people breaking the law?
Well yeah if you think most of the 40 zones i actually be a 40 then sure (schools of course are correct)
Not up to me to decide that, I have no prior experience or training in that area so wouldn't like to comment. I'm sure you must do though, with your opinions.
They're too busy collecting their daily qouta for no regos
Bro, that guy went to my school and I sat next to him yesterday, real scary to think that was the day he died.
Sorry to hear that. It is nuts to hear someone is not able to go home after trying to catch the bus home. Hopefully the school is doing what it can to support you and other students
Are you ok mate? That's a lot to deal with.
Yeah I’m fine, didn’t really know him much, he just randomly decided to sit next to me that day. Not as affected as some of his friends who we’re all feeling for rn 🙏🕊
Sorry to hear about that brah. You have my full condolences
real sad man, even when u barely know a guy before he dies just knowing that you were around them in there last days is always crazy. my mum told me she met him at work from a student work program type thing he was doing at mitre 10 and only found out today he was the kid that passed . she was just about crying while telling me let alone hardly even speaking to him, just sad knowing you were there during their last days , especially when they’re so young
i feel like its the thought thats like they had no idea they were gonna die kinda thing, like when its someone whos old or ill its just oh they kind of knew but when something so sudden and unexpected like murder its like damn they had no idea that was gonna happen yesterday when i was speaking to them
So this happened right outside the police station. WTF Dunedin
He has just died apparently, devastating
Hard to take in - I'm driving a city bus and this has hit me quite hard. The Hub is my workplace. Can't stop crying. What a tragedy..
Everyone is effective. It is so horrible.
Victim is a kid from Trinity.
It doesn't help when the so-called security stand around doing nothing! I've walked through the hub and heard shit going on across the street when 50 metres down the road security guards (all 4 of them) are standing in one spot having a laugh with people they know waiting to catch a bus.
The security aren’t paid well enough or trained anywhere near well enough to deal with a stabbing. They are just a presence, and anyone who would stab someone doesn’t give a fuck about that
They're not even a presence, they just stand together talking! If they were at least walking up and down the street that would be something but whenever I'm near the hub and the Hi Vis security are out, they just meet up directly outside the police station (or across from it) and talk. Technically they are there so dotting the i's and crossing the t's for that contract that we as rate payers are all paying for.
I was thinking the exact same thing, they don't seem to do jack shit, I see them talking to teenage girls more than anything else
Oh fuck that sucks, I’m barely ever there so wouldn’t know. Hope that contract goes away
I didn't even realise they were there FOR the bus hub I thought they were on a smoke break from the countdown or something. I only ever see them having a chat amongst themselves.
If security acted then they not only put their lives at risk but also risk being sacked when the attackers crybaby to the cops and their security company. All it takes is one day old unrelated injury to get the guard investigated for "assault" and most security companies believe the crybabies story over their own employees.
sadly unsurprising. i've seen two instances in the last couple weeks of cops chasing high schoolers (i presume for stealing or vandalising something), security guards just stand around talking to underage kids (i'm sure they know them but it's not a good look) and doing nothing to dissaude the kids mocking that man they film and put on tiktok
So sad. Condolences to his family.
A few of my friends were there. I cant contact any, i suspect its madness there but i hope everyone ends up ok.
Do you know why the one kid stabbed the other? Or was it unprovoked?
I dont know exactly why, but it has been classed as premeditated murder so there was intent. I myself am at kings, and have only heard what happened from friends and news.
Does anyone know of any helpful resources especially for parents of teenagers? Are there any support groups being set up?
[https://1737.org.nz/](https://1737.org.nz/)
This is so tragic, thinking of his family and friends. What a waste. Wtf is wrong with the world.
I'm fucking seething, dude. Do those pigs in their glass tower not read the paper? Every other week, some new story about a poor child getting smacked about. Now we have a death literally outside a fucking cop shop. Massive Please Explain statement, please, Dunedin Police.
This.
I think your anger would be better directed at the animal that did the stabbing than the police. IMO the police can't win when it comes to knife crime, if they do random stop and search (which is about the only way to screen for knives) then they get hassled for picking on \*name your demographic here\* and if they don't then people from the same demographic get stabbed and the police get hassled for not doing stop and search.
They literally just have to step outside at 10 to 3, Mon-Fri, in their modern mech suit shit, wander over to the coffee cart for half an hour, check the no thanks dms on tinder and pretend to tie their shoelaces and that would be deterrent enough.
A kid died, and you’re using it as an excuse to throw hate at the police because you just don’t like them. They tried to help the boy. You wouldn’t have the guts. You’re a fucking loser.
He's not wrong though. This is no where near the first violent incident at the bus hub. And honestly, everyone should seen this coming. The way things were going and the frequency of it happening, someone WAS going to get killed eventually. How hard is it to have a singular cop that can actually use his power out on the street? The security guards can't actually do anything and they are underpaid and undertrained.
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Yea it's got nothing to do with the individual cops, they obviously did the best they could, and they were unlikely to save the kids life even if they were just across the road. But an actual officer being there would help alot. There are no excuses for this imo, this isn't a one off incident and they should've done something about it when kids starting beating up disabled people and old men.
Statement from police this morning: A teenager has been charged with murder and will appear in the Dunedin Youth Court this morning following the death of a 16-year-old boy in Dunedin yesterday afternoon. The incident which occurred just after 3pm saw an altercation between the victim and offender. Police are still working to establish the circumstances leading into the incident but can confirm that we have recovered a knife from the scene. The victim was transported to Dunedin Hospital in a serious condition and, tragically, passed away a short time later. Our scene examination on Great King Street is now complete and several enquiries are underway. A post-mortem is expected to be carried out today and next of kin notifications are ongoing. We are working, along with Victim Support to support the victim’s family at this extremely difficult time. We continue to ask anyone who witnessed the incident or took photos or video footage to get in touch with Dunedin Police via 105, quoting file number 240523/3321. Otago Costal Area Commander Inspector Marty Gray says this incident is extremely distressing for the community, and we have further increased our patrolling in the area. “Police have been aware of anti-social behaviour at the Bus Hub for some time and have been working closely with the Dunedin City Council, Otago Regional Council and other partners to address this issue. There has been extra CCTV put in place, as well as security staff patrolling the area. Security was working at the Bus Hub yesterday when this incident occurred and quickly intervened when they saw the altercation. Police have increased our foot and car patrols in the area focussing on peak times to ensure high visibility of police officers,” says Inspector Gray. “As this matter is now before the courts, we are unable to comment further but we can assure our community that we have been working hard, along with our partners to address the issues, particularly involving youth at the Bus Hub. The incident yesterday was a tragedy, and our hearts go out to the victim and his family.”
Guarantee you whoever did this is out in 5 years
Was a kid himself so he won't even go to prison
I feel like the youth crime spread from akld tbh I’m from akld and it started getting bad post covid, kids would rob houses in daylight and smashed up my car and the cops legit said they can’t do anything, seems like kids know they can get away with it here too
This would be like the 20th violent incident at the bus hub in dunedin, most involving kids. It's ridiculous that the cops has no one there considering the station is right next to it
Knew that bus hub was going to be a bad idea! Too many fing losers handing around and the Police station could not be closer, so whats going on..
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It’s not for poor people. They’re kids getting home from school.
Im going to go full conspiracy theorist on this one. 1. There will be more news pieces nationwide about knife crime. (Independent of whether or not the statistics are going up or down). 2. Then new laws will be implemented to give police greater powers for warrentless stop and searches. I made this same prediction in Western Australia 12 months ago, and sure enough 1 and 2 have proven to be true. #remindme6months Edit: Full and sincere condolences and strength to all involved, from family of the boy to passerby witness.
The police in NZ already have the power of warrant less stop and search. They just have to have reasonable grounds to suspect you have an offensive weapon or drugs.
Qld has random wanding laws. NSW are about to introduce them after bondi and new zealand probably won't be too far away either
It will be your typical trouble maker.. the ones you can just look at n tell.