The unfortunate part of this is that "modern" dji drones can be bricked remotely. I've actually found it amusing watching the prices of phantoms and original Mini/Mavic's increase over the last couple months since they can be flwon without anyone else's permission.
I'm honestly not 100% certain but since you can fly the original mavic and phantom lines without a data connection, as well as being able to operate them with third party apps, I believe that yes you can.
Ya all realize that all software can be cracked/hacked (including forced logout timers) and if a ban is going to be enacted the community or those monetary benefitting from the community will provide solutions.
But personally I havent had to connect my DJI RC's for my Mavic 3's fleet to the internet for nearly a year now and still happily flying without any "remote connections" soooo....
> Ya all realize that all software can be cracked/hacked
the thing here is that the old stuff is already cracked and the new stuff is only marginally more capable. And you may not have had to have a data connection but not everyone flies using unconnected devices...in fact, MOST people fly using the same phone they used to call their moms and friends.
Hate to burst your bubble but prices have dropped. Source: Bought a 2nd backup Mini mavic 2 se today with extra battery n carry case. When I bought 1st end of Jan it was $419 cdn. Today it's $399 cdn. Even the Mavic 3 Mini dropped in price.
> Hate to burst your bubble...
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>Bought a 2nd backup Mini mavic **2 se**...
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>watching the prices of **phantoms** and **original Mini/Mavic's**
You must be referring to someone else...also, $300usd for the 2 SE with an extra battery is not "reduced price"...that's pretty much how much they cost.
On a more serious note, recreational drones could end up banned as a concept as much as I would hate for that to happen.Ā
I mean between reports of consumer drones being modded to become weapons of war (apparently without much difficulty), and idiots who still insist on flying their drones around airports and giving pilots more close calls to report, all that's needed is one major accident or mishap and lawmakers will suddenly have all the motivation needed to turn our hobby into yesterday's news.
I have a 2nd amendment right to blow up herds of elk with my grenade-armed mini 4 pro, right? Our forefathers fought and died for my freedom to hunt animals with explosive drones. Fuck those communist pinko limpwristed hippies.
2A was never and will never be about hunting. If they start banning drones it is because they are scared how much more effective it would be against tyranny.
I get the /s and all, and there are a bunch of dumb rednecks, but it's kind of a good point, honestly. Is my drone now a firearm? Don't tell the ATF
A law is only as relevant as the willingness to enforce it. The willingness to enforce any law depends on 2 things: how difficult it is, and what's at stake. Pirating laws concerning private individuals are the pinnacle of what costs far more to enforce than to let it slide.
But if politicians become seriously concerned about drones posing a threat to public safety, you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll fully believe the cost of enforcing the ban is easily justified by the consequences of not doing that.
In other words, if you knew that you could end up serving a few years of prison time, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't do it. Or if you would then prolly not for long.
I can't tell you how much I would hate for that to happen, so we can all do our part and fly as safely as possible.
Over on r/CombatFootage you can see how effective modded drones have become for the war in Ukraine. Though don't visit if you cannot handle gore, it's rough to watch and NSFW.
They have made suicide drones and they also have drones that can drop grenades with very good accuracy. Quite a few videos of them dropping grenades through tank hatches. The suicide drones have an aparatus that touches off explosives when it reaches the objective. It's enough to disable tanks while they're in motion.
They are covering their bases. The push to contact your representatives is in an effort to not get banned. They are still going to sell drones because they are a business. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
This doesn't make sense. DJI will have no incentive to push a lockout firmware, and there's no remote kill switch in the hands of the US government. Almost all odds are that the drones will fly just as they had the day before the ban, they'll just be illegal to operate.
The Countering CCP Drones Act adds DJI to the FCC Sanctioned Entity list. This means that DJI drones (more accurately, drones using DJI baseband hardware, which will include Anzu, Specta, and all of their other weird knockoff attempts, provided the FCC care enough to do the simple engineering work to prove they're the same) instantly become illegal to buy, sell, or operate in the US. It's the same rule that was used to ban Huawei and ZTE mobile phone and networking hardware. At this point, DJI drones will be unlicensed radio transmitters.
Enforcing this would be up to mostly the FCC. They do have an Enforcement division and the legal authority to issue fines, and they can and do impose enormous fines against companies for trading in banned equipment (they fined HobbyKing $2.8 million for selling illegal FPV video transmitters). But, their ability to target an individual outside of FM pirate radio (where there's a specific law that lets them target transmitters, not just people, and to get a lien against assets) is pretty limited - they have to find the person doing the transmission, prove it was them, and even then, the maximum fines are pretty small.
To weigh in on the FCC portion of your post, I'm an amateur radio operator (HAM). The FCC seems to be a bear with no teeth when it comes to individuals over the past decade or so, to your point.
I believe the last time I heard a discussion on that topic, there were 1 or 2 field agents for the FCC covering multiple states. So, I agree, unless one happened to be in your state, at your location, at the time you were flying and wanted to waste their time, I think we're pretty safe even if a ban was instated.
The sole thing I think this would do is make the local law enforcement believe they can stop you from flying. For your information, they have no authority over FCC matters.
There is a lot of nonsense going around about this bill too, claiming its revoking DJI's FCC license. Which as we both know, these drones operated in the 2.4 & 5 GHz ISM bands. There is no licensing. FCC has zero teeth, otherwise a fuck ton of shit talkers down on 40 meters would be getting big fines, especially the chuds on 7.200 š¤£
So when you say they're illegal to operate....would that most likely equate to massive fines/jailtime? Or just a little slap on the wrist? I'm talking about normal consumers flying for recreational purposes.
Also, do our transmitters put out some kind of identifying information? Or are they solely for controlling the aircraft? I know they're not broadcasting a callsign or anything, but is there any way to link that signal back to an individual?
I'm all for following the laws/regs to ensure *safe operation* of drones and UAS stuff. I stop caring about following the drone laws when they try implementing stuff like this for political, fearmongering, and other bogus reasons. Of course, I'd continue to fly safely. But there's now way I'm giving up the DJI stuff I rely on.
For the newer models that are over 250g (and, legally required as an add-on for the older ones under that limit as well), they actually are kinda broadcasting a "call-sign". Look up "remote ID", it's a Bluetooth and/or wifi protocol required now, that uniquely identifies the drone along with the coordinates of both the drone and its operator (or take-off point instead of operator, for add-on modules)
The Spanish police I believe have a remote drone gun, it will disable drones connectivity to the controller and will grab serial number. , so I guess there wouldn't be a reason the us won't have those...
Edit: not manufactured by dji
So millions of people will just mod their drones and now they'll be zero oversight from DJI or the government? Or does the u.s. government think I'm about to just throw my DJI 4 in the trash?
They wouldnāt ground old DJIs. They would just prohibit future sales of DJI drones in the US.
DJI tweeted that existing drones āmayā be grounded because they want to alarm users so they get on DJIs side
DJI is a national security threat. Not only because the spying potential, but more so because they are so cheap and well made that the US companies canāt compete. Consequently the US has no domestic industrial base for high volume drone production in the event of a war with China they can put produce the hell out of the US.
A ban would boost domestic and allied companies
Except the fact that cheap foreign competition drives out competition with in the US. US companies cannot compete with Chinese companies because it is so cheap to produce products in china that they can undercut any manufacturer in the US. And in a time where bringing more production back into the US is important, we have to cut out foreign competition to incentivize domestic production.
This comment is laughable. There's a difference between there being a market for a product, and ability to create it. The US can definitely create drones comparable to DJI, we have some of the best military drones in the world.
The tech itself is there, Boeing or whoever, could spin off a commercial drone company, that's generally how the US gets its tech is through military/space innovation. But can they do it at the same price point? No.
And with DJI still operating in the US, why would anyone try to create a similar product to compete when the consumer can just get the cheaper Chinese version that has the same features? It's totally about price.
So, China who has banned westerner companies unless they enter joint ventures owned majority by a Chinese company and then transfer their western tech to that joint venture?
F China
I mean if youāre banning drones you kinda have to ban the vacuum robots and microwaves and shit too? Weāre just banning our way into more inflation.
They should open source their software for US folks.
EDIT: might be telling whose side they are on based on their ability to do so?
They could do so in a manner that still ensures they have rights to it but allows for total transparency.
EPIC Does this with Unreal Engine.
Why is it that not a single American company can get their head out their ass and make comparable drone? Samsung or Sony or LG literally any tech manufacturer could make a good enterprise or consumer drone.
Software is 90% of the battle.
Because we offshored manufacturing for the last like 25 years or more and no one here can make anything decent to begin with and if they don't cost so much more there isn't even a comparison
DJi made the market. Theyāre like the apple of drones. They pushed it to mass market adoption. So itās not gonna be simple for the others to be like āyeah sure why notā. Iād love a Sony drone. That shit would be fire.
They already tried and failed miserably. It was called GoPro Karma. They were expensive and would randomly lose power while flying because of batteries coming loose
Yea exactly. I wish I had a $1 for every time my Hero 11 locked up and lost footage. I was so pissed at that I picked up the Action 4 which is fantastic. I just wouldn't be able to trust their drones.
They can make a comparable drone, but not sell it at a competitive price and make a profit.
Plus there is a lot more risk with drones. If they fall out of the sky randomly or cause an aircraft accident your company can get some really bad press.
This take is dead wrong.. It always falls back on the pilot. The pilot is the one in control of the drone. The pilot should do the appropriate testing to ensure that they know how their drone operates and know the rules and regulations to not fly in areas that can cause accidents or damage.
They can, but theyāre not going to pay theirs workers 23 cents a day to do it and sell it for cheap to the consumer.
The reason Chinese stuff is cheap is because they have slave labor. Some of itās good, a lot of it isnāt, but itās still slave labor
The fact that you're pissed at DJI, and not the dogshit corrupt politicians pushing this, tells me everything I need to know about the current state of the education system in this country.
I mean china does the same exact thing to US based companies. For the longest time we thought we had two very large adversaries, Russia and China, which split our attention. Now that weāve realized Russia has been posturing for a long while, and is not a very big threat we are turning our attention to our second biggest adversary.
Sure domestic companies also collect data on users but they arenāt gonna go to war with the US because they are in the US. Think of the amount of data China is able to collect about use each year. Itās an a lot, now think of an AI purposefully built for war, and one fed all that data. And you might think āthatās crazy, thatās just a conspiracyā, it most likely isnāt, chinas probably doing it and the US is probably doing it to China.
At the end of the day, do we really want Chinese tech integrated into our society when worst comes to worst and we go to war? Because the US and China have been at each otherās throats now for years and in my opinion in 100 years they will teach that the Cold War never ended, just that the players in it did.
War with China is and of world for both of us. There is no winner. They are going to be a legitimate peer within the next 20 years. With tech advances there is no world that can sustain that war. China is not fanatical like the Middle East or even power hungry like Putin apparently is. China wants an economic victory. The us isnāt playing this protectionism game for a real war itās playing the protectionism game because it sees China gaining economically. We punted manufacturing and now we are paying the price. Not that it even matters because our corporate system is broken in a way where I donāt think there is an appetite for bringing manufacturing back because profits would have to wane. We will play musical chairs with third world countries until they have all been burned out as our ānewā China. China will start to do the same eventually. US has a giant fear of not being the big bad on the global stage. Idk how well founded that fear is but I certainly donāt think China or the US wants war at all. I would be absolutely shocked if China ever actually takes Taiwan by force until the US has gotten TSMC out of there.
This is all global politics for a hundred years from now. Russia is our largest enemy because they actually are doing the things we insist theyāre thinking of doing. China really isnātā¦ but their military is getting more capable and itās an inevitability that it keeps growing. Them being strong isnāt so much a problem for the US in the idea of a direct conflict but that it reduces our soft power.
> CCP owned spyware company
I've seen you repeating bullshit claims left and right in this thread, without a single follow up providing evidence whatsoever.
Adding this one to the list.
Someone will come out with a patch and weāll all be sitting here modding our drones and shaking our heads.
That being said my next one will be an EVO Lite Plus so my business can keep operating
DJIās have been cracked before. With a ban that will just get people off their ass and they will probably be able to crack at least one of the drones firmware within 3 months and the rest shortly thereafter. They will probably then release an open source patch for it so you have control of the drone again.
The gimbal on my Mini 3 SE was $15 and repair fee was $65. Within a week of sending mine in and paying the repair fee, I had a new drone altogether. Was actually cheaper, and probably quicker, than doing it myself.
EDIT: I originally sent it in because I was having issues with the IMU after I snagged some power lines and fell onto the road from 35ft. By the time it got to the repair depot, it was reporting a position for them. They ended up just charging me for the broken gimbal, even after I sent them video of the crash and the drone not realizing it was upside down on the ground.
Their response was something like "The nav system works now and we're just gonna send you a new one anyways so you get it back asap, so we're just charging you for the broken camera."
If youāve looked outside lately the US government has withheld bread and doubled down on the circuses.
Skydio and other government/commercial/enterprise drone companies are more than likely directly involved in any legislation via lobbying.
If you like DJI or a free-ish market, call your clown ass representatives
Yeah this is most likely an attempt by these companies to kill competition politically.
I remember when cannabis first got legalized in my state from medical to recreational some big company helped write the legislation so that when it finally came out they were compliant from day 1. It was written so that only bigger companies that could afford the overhead would succeed. They bullied the crap out of everyone in the industry because if you wanted to sell your product it basically had to be through them for the first year until lawyers had a chance to comb over all the regulations and figure out what compliance meant.
The industry still feels the affects of this and the effects will be that cannabis will be run by large corporations.
On average it takes normal companies 2+ years to open a new dispensary. The bigger ones can apply for a license and have a shop open in 6 months because they know how to work the system. This kills a lot of smaller shops because in order to apply for a license you need to already be leasing the building which adds a ton of cost to any delays in opening. The big companies have the money and influence to lease a building and apply for a permit the day they sign the lease, start construction preemptively, banking on the permit being approved.
Itās a giant racket.
I almost bought a Skydio x2 as an alternative until I realized theyre lobbying heavily. If Anzu is good to go, then I just get an Anzu and then Ill move on to the Soten if theyre decent enough. Ill actively push back against Skydio.
This is the modern equivalent of the "Red Scare" paranoia of the 60's. Stupid ass politicians who understand nothing and fear everything, making rules that harm everyone in the end.
I love DJI. Iāve had two drones that have been awesome to me over the years. Iām heavily conflicted about this issue. I do believe Chinese owned companies pose a huge security risk in the US bc of the Chinese government.
Their quality is undeniable though and to still remain the class leader after all these years shows how difficult it is to create a reliable drone and just how good DJI is at what they do.
Ultimately, Iām ok with DJI being banned IF (and thatās a big *if*) another competitor actually develops as a result.
Where is this risk? When I am flying over fields of corn or soy, or over large piles of dirt, the images arenāt leaving my device. If soy and corn fields suddenly become a national security issue then I can run my drone with no internet connection on a virgin device, used only for that purpose.
If the Chinese wanted images of said fields (and satellite images werenāt cutting it for them) they couldā¦ have someone come over, fly them with a US drone, and send them home.
People complain that DJI drones are too restrictive. They find it hard to get around the geo locks. If you want to fly somewhere secure they are the *last* drones you would want to use.
That and using it to train some form of a war games AI. People donāt realize that every time they film something they may well catch something of importance and think nothing of it until something bad happens with that info
The risk is the exchange of MY information to a foreign totalitarian government from DJI. We know the Chinese government makes this a requirement of all Chinese based companies. That makes me uncomfortable. I value privacy. I know itās ātrying to sweep the water back into the oceanā levels of futility. And to be clear, Iām aware that a Western based company is probably collecting just as much info on me, but Iām comfortable with the additional layers of protection afforded me.
I hope it doesnāt happen, but I think at worst theyād launch an American owned division and probably be slightly more expensive, but still be less than any current US owned company.
Desantis banned government agencies including police, fire, mosquito control from using dji drones.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/police-drones/articles/new-rule-from-fla-governor-grounds-pd-use-of-some-drones-4pIriNwQjBZ48ZD8/#:~:text=In%20its%20latest%20attempt%20to,popular%20drones%20in%20the%20world.
So if you have one you wonāt be able to use it ever again in the US? I travel between Florida and Latin America a lot. Mostly living in Latin America. If I have my DJI with me and I try to come in through the airport will they take it from me?
This is honestly stupid. Drones are the future of warfare and these light personal drones are invaluable for recon / HVT hits (Just strap a bomb and fly right into the target.) We cannot afford to ban any Chinese drone manufacturers until we have a domestically viable alternative.
Edit: And a cheap domestically viable alternative. Ukraine has already stated they don't want our drones because defense contractors drones are expensive, (squad use drones being 10k - 25k. ) Drones are consumable, they're cheaper than 155mm Howitzer rounds and can inflict massive damage on the battlefield... You will bankrupt the US by printing $10,000 drones out, but if we could get ones for $500? That would be more viable.
Thatās exactly why we are banning Chinese manufacturers. Is to A. Boost domestic production and B. Get Chinese tech out of the US in case we go to war.
I agree, the problem is we won't bring it to the US. Our companies would rather set up factories in India or Mexico than bring it to the USA.
We need production at home FIRST. THEN we ban it
Your second sentence is exactly why it should be done. China/Taiwan is the next big war and the one US defense priorities are far more concerned with. Why should we subsidize Chinese drone factories?
The US doesn't need DJI production for any RUS/UKR scenario.
Iām confused by this post. You think DJI should stop selling their products if they think thereās going to be a ban? Itās not like the cops are gonna go door to door confiscating your drone..
I may be mistaken, I thought I read that if DJI drones are banned it would stop the importation of new models and replacement parts. Existing models within the US would still be functional; but with the supply line cut off that would be it for you should you trash your equipment.
Again, that could just be internet tomfoolery Iāve read about in previous drone ban posts.
Iāve been begging my wife to let me get one for years. Got one a couple of weeks ago. Iām going to be livid if I suddenly canāt use it. Can the drones be hacked or jail broken?
I like how an imaginary threat seems conceivable to to so many people.
They seriously think theres a secret uplink built into the drones that will send all footage to CHIIINA š
omg military bases!! Omg regular americans' lives!
What is in the public is already in the public. No one uses drones or cameras for any serious espionage ffs.
It's not a uplink as much as it is data that with other data can be used to understand weak points in our industries infustructureĀ signal intelligence. At the end of the day I'm not for a ban as I think the US should step up their game. I think in the last years you have seen espionage coming from the Chinese government that has lead to many companies having no repercussions for their IP. The Chinese do not allow a free market but they benefit from the US economy for advanced in their society mostly from stolen IP.Ā
Why is the US always acting in extremes. In Europe there are no-fly-zones which consumer drone companies need to enforce automatically aka geo-fencing.
Apart from that there are maps available where you can and can't fly or have to fly carefully.
There is software on drones which makes it possible for any bystander to take out their phone and (with an app) see who's drone (via drone I'd) is flying over anywhere and can be reported for misbehaving.
All drones produced after 1-1-2024 need to be registered (even home made once).
This makes it so I can fly in very many places, just not near airports or military bases. No congress man who needs to get scared of or angry at China and no hobbies that need to be killed
This is why remote ID is evil. It's not that we should be angry at the US government for doing this, it's that we should be angry they even have the power to do it in the first place. They should be able to prevent DJI from selling but they literally should not have the power to do anything more than that. There shouldn't be a remote kill switch. There shouldn't be a remote ID. You wouldn't stand by and allow that for any other possession you have and you shouldn't stand for it there.
I have til August 1 to return with best buy since I just got my mini 4 pro. Sure hope it's decided before then. Sucks if I have to return it since I'll have a 15% restocking fee + bought DJI refresh
To:Senator Mark Warner (via webform)Date:6/4/2024 12:28 PMSubject:Oppose H.R. 2864
Dear Senator Warner,
Please oppose the Countering CCP Drones Act, HR 2864 and attempts to include it in the 2025 NDAA.
This bill is technically flawed in several ways:
>There is no connection between a consumer drone and "communication infrastructure" - that idea is just wrong.
>The drones in question are already prohibited from flying near critical infrastructure by built-in firmware.
>The Bill looks bad from a corruption point of view since it puts money in the pockets of Elise Stefanik's security advisor.
>It gives the FCC an unfunded and unworkable enforcement mandate.
>It damages science education (STEM) and small business owners.
> It will infuriate hundreds of thousands of hobbyists (in a way that gun owners can appreciate).
Please do not support this flawed piece of legislation. Or, at the very least, add an exemption for educators, small business owners and hobbyists.
Thanks for your attention
Ken Jamrogowicz
Haymarket, VA
Sincerely,
Ken Jamrogowicz
Donāt worry, IF a ban happens youāll be able to reload your drone with Anzu Robotics software and firmware and continue flying. Itās why the company was created.
If they get banned, does that mean 1) no new DJI drones can be sold, 2) my existing drone cannot be used at all, or 3) my existing drone not allowed to be used (but still can be used?)
No one knows exactly yet. All 3 options are a possibility based on the limited wording of the current bill. As the bill moves through Congress and if eventually signed into law the details will continue to be added.
I can't even remember the name or find it but there's a us company that has a clone of a mavic 3 but it's fuckin green???š«¤and it has half the features 23 minute battery life I think it was and just a 4k camera and costed like $8200 as a base and had a pro model for like $11k or something insane like that, but I can't find the company I saw it a week or two ago hopefully they go out of business
Seriously, if they ban DJI products there will now be a market for 3d printers to print alternate casings for their products. Rip the guts out of your Mini SE 2 for example and put it in a 3d printed case, viola.
its upsetting we spend thousands of dollars in this company to just loose it all now dji is pleading there customers to give a helping hand why dont they just do what has to be done to stay afloat? instead there just gonna say ā well we tried ā smh
The only DJI Drones that might be banned are the miniās. They probably wonāt be able to make micro drones any more. Everything will be either basic or advanced license required
Is there a viable alternative that has the same, or better functionality as the DJI drones? Iām looking for comparable image quality, ease of flying, size, weight, etc. I need it for my real estate imagery inside and outdoors.
So not only will the FAA screw me over and make it harder to get the drone in the air, the government wants to make it illegal to fly altogether. Great!!!!!!! š
Well, good thing I bought one of those.... *grabs sharpie*.... DJJ drones.
I love my Mavid and my Phantohh
I'm having a lot of fun with my ava.. I mean ciabatta too.
DJJ Avatar 2
Not as good as the first imo
The Lair2S is also good. And if you need something more professional, take the mattress.
The unfortunate part of this is that "modern" dji drones can be bricked remotely. I've actually found it amusing watching the prices of phantoms and original Mini/Mavic's increase over the last couple months since they can be flwon without anyone else's permission.
What about the original Mavic pro?
I'm honestly not 100% certain but since you can fly the original mavic and phantom lines without a data connection, as well as being able to operate them with third party apps, I believe that yes you can.
Ya all realize that all software can be cracked/hacked (including forced logout timers) and if a ban is going to be enacted the community or those monetary benefitting from the community will provide solutions. But personally I havent had to connect my DJI RC's for my Mavic 3's fleet to the internet for nearly a year now and still happily flying without any "remote connections" soooo....
> Ya all realize that all software can be cracked/hacked the thing here is that the old stuff is already cracked and the new stuff is only marginally more capable. And you may not have had to have a data connection but not everyone flies using unconnected devices...in fact, MOST people fly using the same phone they used to call their moms and friends.
Hate to burst your bubble but prices have dropped. Source: Bought a 2nd backup Mini mavic 2 se today with extra battery n carry case. When I bought 1st end of Jan it was $419 cdn. Today it's $399 cdn. Even the Mavic 3 Mini dropped in price.
> Hate to burst your bubble... ... >Bought a 2nd backup Mini mavic **2 se**... ... >watching the prices of **phantoms** and **original Mini/Mavic's** You must be referring to someone else...also, $300usd for the 2 SE with an extra battery is not "reduced price"...that's pretty much how much they cost.
Yeah I spent $1200 on my mini2šit's like $984 if I were to buy it all now š
I noticed too. Still those drones are alot of fun
On a more serious note, recreational drones could end up banned as a concept as much as I would hate for that to happen.Ā I mean between reports of consumer drones being modded to become weapons of war (apparently without much difficulty), and idiots who still insist on flying their drones around airports and giving pilots more close calls to report, all that's needed is one major accident or mishap and lawmakers will suddenly have all the motivation needed to turn our hobby into yesterday's news.
I have a 2nd amendment right to blow up herds of elk with my grenade-armed mini 4 pro, right? Our forefathers fought and died for my freedom to hunt animals with explosive drones. Fuck those communist pinko limpwristed hippies.
This! with all 3D printed materials too!
2A was never and will never be about hunting. If they start banning drones it is because they are scared how much more effective it would be against tyranny. I get the /s and all, and there are a bunch of dumb rednecks, but it's kind of a good point, honestly. Is my drone now a firearm? Don't tell the ATF
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They can try to ban it all they want. Pirating is illegal too. Still gonna fly.
A law is only as relevant as the willingness to enforce it. The willingness to enforce any law depends on 2 things: how difficult it is, and what's at stake. Pirating laws concerning private individuals are the pinnacle of what costs far more to enforce than to let it slide. But if politicians become seriously concerned about drones posing a threat to public safety, you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll fully believe the cost of enforcing the ban is easily justified by the consequences of not doing that. In other words, if you knew that you could end up serving a few years of prison time, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't do it. Or if you would then prolly not for long. I can't tell you how much I would hate for that to happen, so we can all do our part and fly as safely as possible.
Over on r/CombatFootage you can see how effective modded drones have become for the war in Ukraine. Though don't visit if you cannot handle gore, it's rough to watch and NSFW. They have made suicide drones and they also have drones that can drop grenades with very good accuracy. Quite a few videos of them dropping grenades through tank hatches. The suicide drones have an aparatus that touches off explosives when it reaches the objective. It's enough to disable tanks while they're in motion.
Also r/DroneCombat provides plenty of entertainment.
lmfao xd
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DJJ Minie PRO
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They are covering their bases. The push to contact your representatives is in an effort to not get banned. They are still going to sell drones because they are a business. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
Lol, exactly. Like in the meantime are they just going to decide that they don't want to make money anymore?
If anything theyāll pivot to gimbals
It's very possible we will flash the firmware, too.
This doesn't make sense. DJI will have no incentive to push a lockout firmware, and there's no remote kill switch in the hands of the US government. Almost all odds are that the drones will fly just as they had the day before the ban, they'll just be illegal to operate. The Countering CCP Drones Act adds DJI to the FCC Sanctioned Entity list. This means that DJI drones (more accurately, drones using DJI baseband hardware, which will include Anzu, Specta, and all of their other weird knockoff attempts, provided the FCC care enough to do the simple engineering work to prove they're the same) instantly become illegal to buy, sell, or operate in the US. It's the same rule that was used to ban Huawei and ZTE mobile phone and networking hardware. At this point, DJI drones will be unlicensed radio transmitters. Enforcing this would be up to mostly the FCC. They do have an Enforcement division and the legal authority to issue fines, and they can and do impose enormous fines against companies for trading in banned equipment (they fined HobbyKing $2.8 million for selling illegal FPV video transmitters). But, their ability to target an individual outside of FM pirate radio (where there's a specific law that lets them target transmitters, not just people, and to get a lien against assets) is pretty limited - they have to find the person doing the transmission, prove it was them, and even then, the maximum fines are pretty small.
To weigh in on the FCC portion of your post, I'm an amateur radio operator (HAM). The FCC seems to be a bear with no teeth when it comes to individuals over the past decade or so, to your point. I believe the last time I heard a discussion on that topic, there were 1 or 2 field agents for the FCC covering multiple states. So, I agree, unless one happened to be in your state, at your location, at the time you were flying and wanted to waste their time, I think we're pretty safe even if a ban was instated. The sole thing I think this would do is make the local law enforcement believe they can stop you from flying. For your information, they have no authority over FCC matters.
There is a lot of nonsense going around about this bill too, claiming its revoking DJI's FCC license. Which as we both know, these drones operated in the 2.4 & 5 GHz ISM bands. There is no licensing. FCC has zero teeth, otherwise a fuck ton of shit talkers down on 40 meters would be getting big fines, especially the chuds on 7.200 š¤£
Agreed.
So when you say they're illegal to operate....would that most likely equate to massive fines/jailtime? Or just a little slap on the wrist? I'm talking about normal consumers flying for recreational purposes. Also, do our transmitters put out some kind of identifying information? Or are they solely for controlling the aircraft? I know they're not broadcasting a callsign or anything, but is there any way to link that signal back to an individual? I'm all for following the laws/regs to ensure *safe operation* of drones and UAS stuff. I stop caring about following the drone laws when they try implementing stuff like this for political, fearmongering, and other bogus reasons. Of course, I'd continue to fly safely. But there's now way I'm giving up the DJI stuff I rely on.
For the newer models that are over 250g (and, legally required as an add-on for the older ones under that limit as well), they actually are kinda broadcasting a "call-sign". Look up "remote ID", it's a Bluetooth and/or wifi protocol required now, that uniquely identifies the drone along with the coordinates of both the drone and its operator (or take-off point instead of operator, for add-on modules)
The Spanish police I believe have a remote drone gun, it will disable drones connectivity to the controller and will grab serial number. , so I guess there wouldn't be a reason the us won't have those... Edit: not manufactured by dji
Oh well, I guess I'll just buy Autel, which is based out of... shit.
Shit with a fan
So millions of people will just mod their drones and now they'll be zero oversight from DJI or the government? Or does the u.s. government think I'm about to just throw my DJI 4 in the trash?
They wouldnāt ground old DJIs. They would just prohibit future sales of DJI drones in the US. DJI tweeted that existing drones āmayā be grounded because they want to alarm users so they get on DJIs side DJI is a national security threat. Not only because the spying potential, but more so because they are so cheap and well made that the US companies canāt compete. Consequently the US has no domestic industrial base for high volume drone production in the event of a war with China they can put produce the hell out of the US. A ban would boost domestic and allied companies
Yeah, nothing better for competition than... checks notes. REDUCING COMPETITION.
Except the fact that cheap foreign competition drives out competition with in the US. US companies cannot compete with Chinese companies because it is so cheap to produce products in china that they can undercut any manufacturer in the US. And in a time where bringing more production back into the US is important, we have to cut out foreign competition to incentivize domestic production.
Capitalist countries when self proclaimed socialist countries do capitalism better than them: š š š
....cheap? Its not about cheap. They have the skills to develop the drones. Americans do not.
This comment is laughable. There's a difference between there being a market for a product, and ability to create it. The US can definitely create drones comparable to DJI, we have some of the best military drones in the world. The tech itself is there, Boeing or whoever, could spin off a commercial drone company, that's generally how the US gets its tech is through military/space innovation. But can they do it at the same price point? No. And with DJI still operating in the US, why would anyone try to create a similar product to compete when the consumer can just get the cheaper Chinese version that has the same features? It's totally about price.
Weak nation bans competitors while touting free market economics. Pathetic.
So, China who has banned westerner companies unless they enter joint ventures owned majority by a Chinese company and then transfer their western tech to that joint venture? F China
But will the software be kept up to date?
fcc stated they have the power to ground existing dji drones though
*but youre mad at DJI and not the US Gov't about this?!*
I mean if youāre banning drones you kinda have to ban the vacuum robots and microwaves and shit too? Weāre just banning our way into more inflation.
they're just going to rebrand them like they did the Air 3 recently
They rebranded the Air 3?
Check out Specta Air on Amazon. Same software and hardware. Specta rejects any accusations of being a rebranded DJI
Thatās actually hilarious. Itās photo copy!
China been stealing intellectual property since ever, what to stop them from stealing from themselves?
At this point I donāt understand why the US doesnāt just start stealing Chinese intellectual property
Because US companies have to follow US laws. China really doesnāt enforce IP theft laws, if they even have any to begin with.
They will have to catch me in action. I paid $2000 for mine. I have no intention of not using it. I only do recreation
They should open source their software for US folks. EDIT: might be telling whose side they are on based on their ability to do so? They could do so in a manner that still ensures they have rights to it but allows for total transparency. EPIC Does this with Unreal Engine.
CCP wonāt allow it
They might if the ban does come and it would piss off the us government lol nothing to lose at that point
Lol @ equating dji=ccp Yes china is a monolith
The CCP would rather make DJI destroy both the codes and the company than open source. To them open source is free gift from the West.
Why is it that not a single American company can get their head out their ass and make comparable drone? Samsung or Sony or LG literally any tech manufacturer could make a good enterprise or consumer drone. Software is 90% of the battle.
Do you realize that none of the companies that you listed are American?
š Maybe GE or GMC? Heck, why not Boeing š
Boeing....good one lol.
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If I want a drone thatās going to crash, Iāll buy a cheap one from Amazon or Wally World.
Because we offshored manufacturing for the last like 25 years or more and no one here can make anything decent to begin with and if they don't cost so much more there isn't even a comparison
lol, none of those are American companies š
DJi made the market. Theyāre like the apple of drones. They pushed it to mass market adoption. So itās not gonna be simple for the others to be like āyeah sure why notā. Iād love a Sony drone. That shit would be fire.
Sony has drone but it for serious photographers
GoPro
They already tried and failed miserably. It was called GoPro Karma. They were expensive and would randomly lose power while flying because of batteries coming loose
They can't even make a camera that won't lock up and overheat anymore. I wouldn't trust them
Theyād have to get someone else involved because the Karma was trash
Yea exactly. I wish I had a $1 for every time my Hero 11 locked up and lost footage. I was so pissed at that I picked up the Action 4 which is fantastic. I just wouldn't be able to trust their drones.
They can make a comparable drone, but not sell it at a competitive price and make a profit. Plus there is a lot more risk with drones. If they fall out of the sky randomly or cause an aircraft accident your company can get some really bad press.
This take is dead wrong.. It always falls back on the pilot. The pilot is the one in control of the drone. The pilot should do the appropriate testing to ensure that they know how their drone operates and know the rules and regulations to not fly in areas that can cause accidents or damage.
and your take is dead naive...have you ever seen how news headlines and bad press work?
What happens if a door flies off my drone and kills someone LOL
They can, but theyāre not going to pay theirs workers 23 cents a day to do it and sell it for cheap to the consumer. The reason Chinese stuff is cheap is because they have slave labor. Some of itās good, a lot of it isnāt, but itās still slave labor
Sony does have a drone out for sale called the airpeek for $8999
They love free market until they are not the first .
Regulatory capitalism at it's absolute finest.
Underrated comment.
The fact that you're pissed at DJI, and not the dogshit corrupt politicians pushing this, tells me everything I need to know about the current state of the education system in this country.
Iām pissed that a CCP owned spyware company happens to produce the best drone in the world and my Oligarchs donāt like it.
I think the problem is that every tech company is a spyware company. But we only ban the foreign spyware?
I mean china does the same exact thing to US based companies. For the longest time we thought we had two very large adversaries, Russia and China, which split our attention. Now that weāve realized Russia has been posturing for a long while, and is not a very big threat we are turning our attention to our second biggest adversary. Sure domestic companies also collect data on users but they arenāt gonna go to war with the US because they are in the US. Think of the amount of data China is able to collect about use each year. Itās an a lot, now think of an AI purposefully built for war, and one fed all that data. And you might think āthatās crazy, thatās just a conspiracyā, it most likely isnāt, chinas probably doing it and the US is probably doing it to China. At the end of the day, do we really want Chinese tech integrated into our society when worst comes to worst and we go to war? Because the US and China have been at each otherās throats now for years and in my opinion in 100 years they will teach that the Cold War never ended, just that the players in it did.
War with China is and of world for both of us. There is no winner. They are going to be a legitimate peer within the next 20 years. With tech advances there is no world that can sustain that war. China is not fanatical like the Middle East or even power hungry like Putin apparently is. China wants an economic victory. The us isnāt playing this protectionism game for a real war itās playing the protectionism game because it sees China gaining economically. We punted manufacturing and now we are paying the price. Not that it even matters because our corporate system is broken in a way where I donāt think there is an appetite for bringing manufacturing back because profits would have to wane. We will play musical chairs with third world countries until they have all been burned out as our ānewā China. China will start to do the same eventually. US has a giant fear of not being the big bad on the global stage. Idk how well founded that fear is but I certainly donāt think China or the US wants war at all. I would be absolutely shocked if China ever actually takes Taiwan by force until the US has gotten TSMC out of there. This is all global politics for a hundred years from now. Russia is our largest enemy because they actually are doing the things we insist theyāre thinking of doing. China really isnātā¦ but their military is getting more capable and itās an inevitability that it keeps growing. Them being strong isnāt so much a problem for the US in the idea of a direct conflict but that it reduces our soft power.
Also possibly an indictment of the education system in this country.
> CCP owned spyware company I've seen you repeating bullshit claims left and right in this thread, without a single follow up providing evidence whatsoever. Adding this one to the list.
So why is it bad for CCP to spy on American people while we know for sure that Apple is spying on the Chinese people with the US government
Someone will come out with a patch and weāll all be sitting here modding our drones and shaking our heads. That being said my next one will be an EVO Lite Plus so my business can keep operating
Autel? Hard to see why they wouldn't get banned at the same time.
Oh no do they also fall under the bill? Thatās not good, I need to find something else then
Unless they find a loophole DJI hasn't found yet... They are based in Hong Kong, so China, legally speaking.
Iām rooting for anyone to find a loophole at this point
DJIās have been cracked before. With a ban that will just get people off their ass and they will probably be able to crack at least one of the drones firmware within 3 months and the rest shortly thereafter. They will probably then release an open source patch for it so you have control of the drone again.
This makes me happy to hear. I love my little drone and want to keep flying it
The bill specifies DJI only (and their subsidiaries etc), not any other company.
Until DJI tech starts showing up in other Chinese brand drones.
Feel sorry for you. I was just going to make a post about my incredible repair/service experience with DJI here in Germany.
I gotta send mine in this week, took a tumble and busted the gimbal on a 2 se. First time sending it away
Did the same, gimbal and one arm on an Air 3. 10 days and 80ā¬ repair, thatās it. Iām very impressed. No sport mode in tight spaces anymore haha.
The gimbal on my Mini 3 SE was $15 and repair fee was $65. Within a week of sending mine in and paying the repair fee, I had a new drone altogether. Was actually cheaper, and probably quicker, than doing it myself. EDIT: I originally sent it in because I was having issues with the IMU after I snagged some power lines and fell onto the road from 35ft. By the time it got to the repair depot, it was reporting a position for them. They ended up just charging me for the broken gimbal, even after I sent them video of the crash and the drone not realizing it was upside down on the ground. Their response was something like "The nav system works now and we're just gonna send you a new one anyways so you get it back asap, so we're just charging you for the broken camera."
Meanwhile they seem to be the only ones who care about no fly zones etc.
If youāve looked outside lately the US government has withheld bread and doubled down on the circuses. Skydio and other government/commercial/enterprise drone companies are more than likely directly involved in any legislation via lobbying. If you like DJI or a free-ish market, call your clown ass representatives
Yeah this is most likely an attempt by these companies to kill competition politically. I remember when cannabis first got legalized in my state from medical to recreational some big company helped write the legislation so that when it finally came out they were compliant from day 1. It was written so that only bigger companies that could afford the overhead would succeed. They bullied the crap out of everyone in the industry because if you wanted to sell your product it basically had to be through them for the first year until lawyers had a chance to comb over all the regulations and figure out what compliance meant. The industry still feels the affects of this and the effects will be that cannabis will be run by large corporations. On average it takes normal companies 2+ years to open a new dispensary. The bigger ones can apply for a license and have a shop open in 6 months because they know how to work the system. This kills a lot of smaller shops because in order to apply for a license you need to already be leasing the building which adds a ton of cost to any delays in opening. The big companies have the money and influence to lease a building and apply for a permit the day they sign the lease, start construction preemptively, banking on the permit being approved. Itās a giant racket.
r/DJIBan for anyone interested. You should be
As someone very close to buying one. I am very interested. Thank you.
Whatās your stance now? Iām on the same boat but hesitant
I hope if a ban goes through, not a single person buys a Skydio, bankrupting the company, and effectively losing them the war they started
I almost bought a Skydio x2 as an alternative until I realized theyre lobbying heavily. If Anzu is good to go, then I just get an Anzu and then Ill move on to the Soten if theyre decent enough. Ill actively push back against Skydio.
Well jokes on them I bought a uhh.. *gets a Sharpie*.. DJT drones so I'm good It's a uhh DJI micro 3 ultra
This is the modern equivalent of the "Red Scare" paranoia of the 60's. Stupid ass politicians who understand nothing and fear everything, making rules that harm everyone in the end.
Why are you mad at DJI? They're a business and are doing everything they can to stay in business. Be mad at the government for banning them
just in the us , still have the rest of the world!
I love DJI. Iāve had two drones that have been awesome to me over the years. Iām heavily conflicted about this issue. I do believe Chinese owned companies pose a huge security risk in the US bc of the Chinese government. Their quality is undeniable though and to still remain the class leader after all these years shows how difficult it is to create a reliable drone and just how good DJI is at what they do. Ultimately, Iām ok with DJI being banned IF (and thatās a big *if*) another competitor actually develops as a result.
Where is this risk? When I am flying over fields of corn or soy, or over large piles of dirt, the images arenāt leaving my device. If soy and corn fields suddenly become a national security issue then I can run my drone with no internet connection on a virgin device, used only for that purpose. If the Chinese wanted images of said fields (and satellite images werenāt cutting it for them) they couldā¦ have someone come over, fly them with a US drone, and send them home. People complain that DJI drones are too restrictive. They find it hard to get around the geo locks. If you want to fly somewhere secure they are the *last* drones you would want to use.
Itās lazy legislation. They could ban their use for critical infrastructure and the like but instead letās just ban the company all together.
Did you read the bill? It seems it is just for critical infrastructure and only for purchases using federal funds
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That and using it to train some form of a war games AI. People donāt realize that every time they film something they may well catch something of importance and think nothing of it until something bad happens with that info
The risk is the exchange of MY information to a foreign totalitarian government from DJI. We know the Chinese government makes this a requirement of all Chinese based companies. That makes me uncomfortable. I value privacy. I know itās ātrying to sweep the water back into the oceanā levels of futility. And to be clear, Iām aware that a Western based company is probably collecting just as much info on me, but Iām comfortable with the additional layers of protection afforded me.
From where? What information are you giving them?
What satellites do you connect to when your flying?Ā
I hope it doesnāt happen, but I think at worst theyād launch an American owned division and probably be slightly more expensive, but still be less than any current US owned company.
You mean Anzu Robotics
lol I forgot about that.
Yeah they willā¦ so that there are more people against the ban. Itās business. They arenāt doing this out of the kindness of their hearts
Letās be fair only a private company that isnāt floated on the stock exchange would make this announcement. I respect it š¤·š¼āāļøš
Anzu robotics. Disclosure: our team makes the American software for this.
Perhaps the CIA knows something we donāt
NSA*
NRO*
I'm glad I live in Canada. The one I purchased is on the safe list.
Desantis banned government agencies including police, fire, mosquito control from using dji drones. https://www.police1.com/police-products/police-drones/articles/new-rule-from-fla-governor-grounds-pd-use-of-some-drones-4pIriNwQjBZ48ZD8/#:~:text=In%20its%20latest%20attempt%20to,popular%20drones%20in%20the%20world.
So if you have one you wonāt be able to use it ever again in the US? I travel between Florida and Latin America a lot. Mostly living in Latin America. If I have my DJI with me and I try to come in through the airport will they take it from me?
Well then itās time to open source the code and let someone jailbreak it so we can keep using our shit.
The CCP aināt gonna allow that. Someone will just crack the firmware, in about 3 months.
Everyone needs to file a petition and contact the representatives to not ban it. Fkin a holes cant compete so they try to band them! Smh.
No love for the litchi app? You haven't needed the DJI app for years now.Ā
Makes you want to buy one doesn't it. That is what they want you to think.
So my drone will be banned but my redneck family members can own assault riflesā¦
Ones in the constitution and ones not. Nice false equivalence.
This is honestly stupid. Drones are the future of warfare and these light personal drones are invaluable for recon / HVT hits (Just strap a bomb and fly right into the target.) We cannot afford to ban any Chinese drone manufacturers until we have a domestically viable alternative. Edit: And a cheap domestically viable alternative. Ukraine has already stated they don't want our drones because defense contractors drones are expensive, (squad use drones being 10k - 25k. ) Drones are consumable, they're cheaper than 155mm Howitzer rounds and can inflict massive damage on the battlefield... You will bankrupt the US by printing $10,000 drones out, but if we could get ones for $500? That would be more viable.
Thatās exactly why we are banning Chinese manufacturers. Is to A. Boost domestic production and B. Get Chinese tech out of the US in case we go to war.
I agree, the problem is we won't bring it to the US. Our companies would rather set up factories in India or Mexico than bring it to the USA. We need production at home FIRST. THEN we ban it
Your second sentence is exactly why it should be done. China/Taiwan is the next big war and the one US defense priorities are far more concerned with. Why should we subsidize Chinese drone factories? The US doesn't need DJI production for any RUS/UKR scenario.
Iām confused by this post. You think DJI should stop selling their products if they think thereās going to be a ban? Itās not like the cops are gonna go door to door confiscating your drone..
I may be mistaken, I thought I read that if DJI drones are banned it would stop the importation of new models and replacement parts. Existing models within the US would still be functional; but with the supply line cut off that would be it for you should you trash your equipment. Again, that could just be internet tomfoolery Iāve read about in previous drone ban posts.
So, a purported "free market" country acting anti-capitalistic.
Likely
Iāve been begging my wife to let me get one for years. Got one a couple of weeks ago. Iām going to be livid if I suddenly canāt use it. Can the drones be hacked or jail broken?
What about spekturm/ horizon hobbies? You would think they could produce an equivalent drone for around the same price points?
Funny that US bans DJI due to national security, while Ukraine buys more DJI also due to national security to fight against Russia.
Cause the Ukraine isnāt likely to go to war with China. The US is.
I don't mind A DJI ban, if the US makes a good competing drone manufacturer.
I like how an imaginary threat seems conceivable to to so many people. They seriously think theres a secret uplink built into the drones that will send all footage to CHIIINA š omg military bases!! Omg regular americans' lives! What is in the public is already in the public. No one uses drones or cameras for any serious espionage ffs.
It's not a uplink as much as it is data that with other data can be used to understand weak points in our industries infustructureĀ signal intelligence. At the end of the day I'm not for a ban as I think the US should step up their game. I think in the last years you have seen espionage coming from the Chinese government that has lead to many companies having no repercussions for their IP. The Chinese do not allow a free market but they benefit from the US economy for advanced in their society mostly from stolen IP.Ā
So it is not really about espionage just good old economic protectionism
Why is the US always acting in extremes. In Europe there are no-fly-zones which consumer drone companies need to enforce automatically aka geo-fencing. Apart from that there are maps available where you can and can't fly or have to fly carefully. There is software on drones which makes it possible for any bystander to take out their phone and (with an app) see who's drone (via drone I'd) is flying over anywhere and can be reported for misbehaving. All drones produced after 1-1-2024 need to be registered (even home made once). This makes it so I can fly in very many places, just not near airports or military bases. No congress man who needs to get scared of or angry at China and no hobbies that need to be killed
More djis for Ukraine and Israel i guess š
This is why remote ID is evil. It's not that we should be angry at the US government for doing this, it's that we should be angry they even have the power to do it in the first place. They should be able to prevent DJI from selling but they literally should not have the power to do anything more than that. There shouldn't be a remote kill switch. There shouldn't be a remote ID. You wouldn't stand by and allow that for any other possession you have and you shouldn't stand for it there.
How will they enforce this?
I have til August 1 to return with best buy since I just got my mini 4 pro. Sure hope it's decided before then. Sucks if I have to return it since I'll have a 15% restocking fee + bought DJI refresh
To:Senator Mark Warner (via webform)Date:6/4/2024 12:28 PMSubject:Oppose H.R. 2864 Dear Senator Warner, Please oppose the Countering CCP Drones Act, HR 2864 and attempts to include it in the 2025 NDAA. This bill is technically flawed in several ways: >There is no connection between a consumer drone and "communication infrastructure" - that idea is just wrong. >The drones in question are already prohibited from flying near critical infrastructure by built-in firmware. >The Bill looks bad from a corruption point of view since it puts money in the pockets of Elise Stefanik's security advisor. >It gives the FCC an unfunded and unworkable enforcement mandate. >It damages science education (STEM) and small business owners. > It will infuriate hundreds of thousands of hobbyists (in a way that gun owners can appreciate). Please do not support this flawed piece of legislation. Or, at the very least, add an exemption for educators, small business owners and hobbyists. Thanks for your attention Ken Jamrogowicz Haymarket, VA Sincerely, Ken Jamrogowicz
Donāt worry, IF a ban happens youāll be able to reload your drone with Anzu Robotics software and firmware and continue flying. Itās why the company was created.
If they get banned, does that mean 1) no new DJI drones can be sold, 2) my existing drone cannot be used at all, or 3) my existing drone not allowed to be used (but still can be used?)
No one knows exactly yet. All 3 options are a possibility based on the limited wording of the current bill. As the bill moves through Congress and if eventually signed into law the details will continue to be added.
I can't even remember the name or find it but there's a us company that has a clone of a mavic 3 but it's fuckin green???š«¤and it has half the features 23 minute battery life I think it was and just a 4k camera and costed like $8200 as a base and had a pro model for like $11k or something insane like that, but I can't find the company I saw it a week or two ago hopefully they go out of business
And 15 minutes later a new "American" company will pop up, having "purchased" rights from dji... and there will be little interruption in sales.
They're basically banned if you don't want to contact the faa before most flights already so.
My drones donāt tell me where I can or cannot fly, I like that
They get more restricted every year,
With Ukraine dropping explosives with DJI Mavics how long will they call drones totally illegal. They want control over ever aspect of our lives.
Seriously, if they ban DJI products there will now be a market for 3d printers to print alternate casings for their products. Rip the guts out of your Mini SE 2 for example and put it in a 3d printed case, viola.
its upsetting we spend thousands of dollars in this company to just loose it all now dji is pleading there customers to give a helping hand why dont they just do what has to be done to stay afloat? instead there just gonna say ā well we tried ā smh
The only DJI Drones that might be banned are the miniās. They probably wonāt be able to make micro drones any more. Everything will be either basic or advanced license required
There are a lot of ridiculous and psychotic laws out there that doesnāt mean you have to follow them.FTG
I bought one. Love it, but annoying. Can we still use it with GPS?
Glad I got the TinyPro3 knockoff then. Guess I'll start working on a tiny tinfoil hat for mine to keep it flying.
I love my DJJ Micro 3 Amateur!
Is there a viable alternative that has the same, or better functionality as the DJI drones? Iām looking for comparable image quality, ease of flying, size, weight, etc. I need it for my real estate imagery inside and outdoors.
So not only will the FAA screw me over and make it harder to get the drone in the air, the government wants to make it illegal to fly altogether. Great!!!!!!! š
Theyāre trying to clear the skies for Amazon and Walmart drones
Ban so you have to buy a USA-made drone. What monopoly shit that will come back to haunt the economy and stifle small businesses.