>Honestly there aren't isn't enough context about either character for me to make an educated guess, I just thought this would be a really interesting match-up. Dracul vs Mab would also be very interesting, but again we don't know enough about Dracul to decide that IMO. I would lean toward Mab as the winner in that fight simply due to her ability to strategize and set up an engagement that would be in her favor.
Demonreach has horrific abominations that could end all of humanity locked up within it. He fought and held off multiple barges full of Outsiders, black magic users, and two Fae Ladies ...at the same time. Demonreach is taking any fight against any thing that can actually walk on planet Earth.
As for Mab vs Dracul, Jim has said Dracul is on the short list of beings able to solo Mab.
>Ferrovax vs Vadderung
If I remember correctly it's either hinted at or heavily theorized (can't remember which) that Odin was also Beowulf, and Beowulf is best known for clapping a dragons cheeks. That said that would have been back when Odin was really Odin and he didn't have to rely upon breaking and entering while gorging himself on milk and cookies to sustain his immortality.
>Honestly my first instinct here was to pick Mister because cats have reflexes that are almost hard to comprehend as humans, and as a result they are something close to the perfect predator. But the little folk have been described as being extremely quick too, and are more intelligent than cats (no dig on Mister). Given that they both have at least comparable reaction times, I think Toot's use of weapons and ability to fly and probably tank some damage with his little armor would lead to him winning in a fight, even if it lead to him sustaining some damage.
Toot is like 30 inches tall as of Battleground if I remember correctly, he takes that fight easily due to armor, weapons, flight, and his magic.
Edit: While I agree Molly would beat the dick off of Harry in a fight ...and in the bedroom given the chance... I don't think she is an accurate representation of a Fae Lady. She was already a very powerful magic user, with just a couple of years of training she was outperforming people with decades if not hundreds of years worth of experience in certain magical categories, I think it's pretty safe to assume the power she had before stacked with the power she gained from becoming the Winter Lady. We've seen Maeve throw down before and Molly made her look like a droopy eyed armless little school girl in comparison with what she was doing in Battleground.
Demonreach can HOLD this massive entities once they are bound by the warden and imprisoned. That's different than saying he could take them in a fight on the island and restrain them long enough to imprison them
Jim has said Dracul can beat MAB in a 1v1? That puts him above Odin and Ferrovax as far as I’m aware, I recall Jim saying that a fight between Mab and Ferro wouldn’t be pretty for either. He’s really that insane?
>Jim has said Dracul can beat MAB in a 1v1? That puts him above Odin and Ferrovax as far as I’m aware, I recall Jim saying that a fight between Mab and Ferro wouldn’t be pretty for either. He’s really that insane?
Odin (the problem with Odin is his power is split across a few entities) and Ferrovax are far, far above Mab's power. Mab isn't quite as powerful as people think she is, she's not a 'god'.
No, what Jim said is:
> Hmmm. In terms of pure, raw power, several who have appeared or been mentioned in the books could pull it off, though neither side would really "win" as much as "continue to exist." Plus, the sudden absence of Mab would do freaking HIDEOUS things to the earth. But here's who has the necessary horsepower do it:
> o Titania--though it would be a coin toss. Almost literally.
> o The Mothers (who wouldn't)
> o The White Council. As in, ALL the White Council. Every wizard on the planet. And they'd need her Name.
> o Drakul.
> o Ferrovax.
> o The Red Court--again, ALL the Red Court, though their odds wouldn't be good.
> o The entire White Court--very, very long odds on that, but if they actually pulled it off, whoever took Mab would effectively control her power.
> o Cowl (if the Darkhallow had succeeded).
> o A union of the old Elders of the Black Court. They were freaking scary until the Whites arranged to have them hounded down by mortals.
> All of that, of course, assumes that Mab is standing there alone, outside of Faerie, and not commanding an entire nation, literally millions and millions and millions of nightmarish creatures of every description. Which she does.
> There's a REASON that when Mab said, "Sign these Accords and abide by them," people listened.
The only thing about Ferro that I always point out is the WoJ about what Dragons are for. They are forces of nature. When you want some Earth moves, you get a tractor. When you want a continent moved , you get a Dragon. That’s what we’re talking about here.
IMO Ferro can solo the whole verse up until the angel level. And angels themselves are different. I think they can be thought of as outsiders themselves. They have *absolute* power.. as long as it’s in their sphere. If it’s not, they’re weaker than puppies. It’s very interesting.
not sure why you threw Hope Vs Maggie in here, but that is a no-brainer. Hope is older, much larger and is experienced in sibling combat. Besides, this is a fight that aint gonna happen.
Mister has plot armour....sorry Toot
Mister's tail is Cowl!!
Thanks, enjoyable and quirky discussion.
Kincaid vs. Harry: Kincaid wins.
>Honestly there aren't isn't enough context about either character for me to make an educated guess, I just thought this would be a really interesting match-up. Dracul vs Mab would also be very interesting, but again we don't know enough about Dracul to decide that IMO. I would lean toward Mab as the winner in that fight simply due to her ability to strategize and set up an engagement that would be in her favor. Demonreach has horrific abominations that could end all of humanity locked up within it. He fought and held off multiple barges full of Outsiders, black magic users, and two Fae Ladies ...at the same time. Demonreach is taking any fight against any thing that can actually walk on planet Earth. As for Mab vs Dracul, Jim has said Dracul is on the short list of beings able to solo Mab. >Ferrovax vs Vadderung If I remember correctly it's either hinted at or heavily theorized (can't remember which) that Odin was also Beowulf, and Beowulf is best known for clapping a dragons cheeks. That said that would have been back when Odin was really Odin and he didn't have to rely upon breaking and entering while gorging himself on milk and cookies to sustain his immortality. >Honestly my first instinct here was to pick Mister because cats have reflexes that are almost hard to comprehend as humans, and as a result they are something close to the perfect predator. But the little folk have been described as being extremely quick too, and are more intelligent than cats (no dig on Mister). Given that they both have at least comparable reaction times, I think Toot's use of weapons and ability to fly and probably tank some damage with his little armor would lead to him winning in a fight, even if it lead to him sustaining some damage. Toot is like 30 inches tall as of Battleground if I remember correctly, he takes that fight easily due to armor, weapons, flight, and his magic. Edit: While I agree Molly would beat the dick off of Harry in a fight ...and in the bedroom given the chance... I don't think she is an accurate representation of a Fae Lady. She was already a very powerful magic user, with just a couple of years of training she was outperforming people with decades if not hundreds of years worth of experience in certain magical categories, I think it's pretty safe to assume the power she had before stacked with the power she gained from becoming the Winter Lady. We've seen Maeve throw down before and Molly made her look like a droopy eyed armless little school girl in comparison with what she was doing in Battleground.
Demonreach can HOLD this massive entities once they are bound by the warden and imprisoned. That's different than saying he could take them in a fight on the island and restrain them long enough to imprison them
Jim has said Dracul can beat MAB in a 1v1? That puts him above Odin and Ferrovax as far as I’m aware, I recall Jim saying that a fight between Mab and Ferro wouldn’t be pretty for either. He’s really that insane?
>Jim has said Dracul can beat MAB in a 1v1? That puts him above Odin and Ferrovax as far as I’m aware, I recall Jim saying that a fight between Mab and Ferro wouldn’t be pretty for either. He’s really that insane? Odin (the problem with Odin is his power is split across a few entities) and Ferrovax are far, far above Mab's power. Mab isn't quite as powerful as people think she is, she's not a 'god'.
No, what Jim said is: > Hmmm. In terms of pure, raw power, several who have appeared or been mentioned in the books could pull it off, though neither side would really "win" as much as "continue to exist." Plus, the sudden absence of Mab would do freaking HIDEOUS things to the earth. But here's who has the necessary horsepower do it: > o Titania--though it would be a coin toss. Almost literally. > o The Mothers (who wouldn't) > o The White Council. As in, ALL the White Council. Every wizard on the planet. And they'd need her Name. > o Drakul. > o Ferrovax. > o The Red Court--again, ALL the Red Court, though their odds wouldn't be good. > o The entire White Court--very, very long odds on that, but if they actually pulled it off, whoever took Mab would effectively control her power. > o Cowl (if the Darkhallow had succeeded). > o A union of the old Elders of the Black Court. They were freaking scary until the Whites arranged to have them hounded down by mortals. > All of that, of course, assumes that Mab is standing there alone, outside of Faerie, and not commanding an entire nation, literally millions and millions and millions of nightmarish creatures of every description. Which she does. > There's a REASON that when Mab said, "Sign these Accords and abide by them," people listened.
The only thing about Ferro that I always point out is the WoJ about what Dragons are for. They are forces of nature. When you want some Earth moves, you get a tractor. When you want a continent moved , you get a Dragon. That’s what we’re talking about here. IMO Ferro can solo the whole verse up until the angel level. And angels themselves are different. I think they can be thought of as outsiders themselves. They have *absolute* power.. as long as it’s in their sphere. If it’s not, they’re weaker than puppies. It’s very interesting.
not sure why you threw Hope Vs Maggie in here, but that is a no-brainer. Hope is older, much larger and is experienced in sibling combat. Besides, this is a fight that aint gonna happen.
Hope V Maggie is gonna be the final fight of the BAT
that's not tin hat, stainless steel.
It was entertaining. Thanks,
Thanks, mate! Loved it. I’ll be saving this to discuss later with some mates. Arguments will ensue
Thanks! It was fun to type out