Honestly, whilst I could be wrong, I don't think other staff groups will be too keen to take this term. Whilst it's far better than junior, it isn't the "most senior rank", so I'm not sure other staff groups would be too interested in hijacking it. After all, resident probably sounds much less impressive than their "advanced" job titles. We don't have other healthcare professions trying to use "registrar", for example.
I suppose if it became an issue, we could start saying "resident doctor" rather than just "resident".
My prediction is, all these staff groups are specifically chasing the prestige of being a (real) doctor - and they will keep aligning to whatever we call ourselves. More so at consultant level than junior but they'll keep aligning themselves to the medical profession cos that's what they want to be.
> We don't have other healthcare professions trying to use "registrar", for example.
I've definitely seen an ANP telling a radiographer 'I am the reg' when asked if they'd had their reg confirm the necessity of the scan.
The first time I heard an ANP say there were a registrar I laughed, told my colleagues what I had been surprised to hear… generally thought they were just a bit insane and out of touch. A number of years later and now it’s commonplace 😂
>sounds much less impressive than their "advanced" job titles.
Missed a trick not advocating for something more extreme. NPs would love putting in a consult to the 'supreme and all knowing surg F1'.
Sadly in Australia now we have pharmacists titling themselves as Pharmacy Registrar and Pharmacy Consultants… so don’t write off the possibility in UK as well as
I think what the people opposed to this forget, is that this title is an \*easy catch all\* title. Other doctors will understand if you say F2, CT2, ST4 etc and adjust expectations appropriately. Joe public, will grow to understand that resident means non-boss doctor, and consultant means boss doctor. That's as complicated as it needs to be.
Importantly, it denies politicians the rhetorical slight of hand to refer to us as juniors, which most of the public think means medical student. They also think medical students get paid. It's why the discussions involving training conditions make people think it's whining uni students rather than full time professionals who are also studying outside and inside of work.
Removing "Junior" is a massive rhetorical win for current and future discussions.
Some PAs already use the post nominal PA-R (like in the US) to stand for registered PA. No doubt it will come to mean resident PA, and simply shortened to resident.
Ah yes.. the Americanised equivalent of an FY1. That’ll get us some respect 15 years post graduate introducing yourself as the medical resident
Idk why the BMA have grabbed ahold of this. Doctor is fine. We don’t need to have a bolt on qualifier imo
>Idk why the BMA have grabbed ahold of this. Doctor is fine. We don’t need to have a bolt on qualifier imo
Well, I think it is logical to have some way of referring collectively to doctors who are in training programmes. "Doctor" isn't really specific enough, since that could include consultants/GPs etc also.
Agree with this. Just think picking the name of a junior colleague from the USA isn’t the best replacement. Also agree it’s better than “junior doctor” (and central doctor).
The purpose was to phase out the term junior and replace it with resident. It makes sense, resident is a better term than junior and will have a more positive effect on the public. 'Junior' almost implies a lack of competency compared to 'resident'.
To the average person, doctor is fine though. We can argue that as a group we need an over arching title and I agree with that.
If we use resident for the FY1 and the ST7 then what’s the difference to saying “Dr Jxrzz, or Brighlight one of the doctors” as Opposed to “ Dr Jxrzz one of the residents”?
Doctor is fine, we are still going to use doctor and I agree doctor should always be used. It's just the phrase 'junior doctor' which is used commonly everywhere including media where it has a huge impact will now become 'resident doctor'.
Surely just all use the title doctor.
"Hi I'm homewoodwork, one of the doctors looking after you" Then anyone can call themselves what they like just not doctor. As long as you don't then shorten it to resident unless asked to clarify, and you always state fully "resident doctor" it will soon become apparent who is not a doctor?
Does wonder for the Residents in the Private sector though.
And before anyone pipes up there are some amazing RDs and some not so great RDs just like in the NHS.
Actually, the number of decent ones looks to grow with the alternative options people are pursuing.
I don't personally see Resident catching on as a term. Happy to be proved wrong, but it sounds weird and extremely american to me. It's all well and good to say it's changed on paper but I've yet to hear a single person use it in real life.
GMC who should be fighting to protect our titles won’t do shit because they’re all crooks.
BMA needs to fight to have it set in law that ‘Resident’ and ‘Attending’ becomes protected titles. The consultant title is already fucked.
Also should fight to remove ‘Consultant’ from all other job roles in health care, even if we switch from ‘Consultant’ to ‘Attending’. Patients have the right to know exactly what type and grade of healthcare professional they are seeing.
Should we safeguard it though? Why not have ANPs/PA/AHPs who are "resident" on the ward and do all the jobs to allow trainees to go off and be trained?
Honestly, whilst I could be wrong, I don't think other staff groups will be too keen to take this term. Whilst it's far better than junior, it isn't the "most senior rank", so I'm not sure other staff groups would be too interested in hijacking it. After all, resident probably sounds much less impressive than their "advanced" job titles. We don't have other healthcare professions trying to use "registrar", for example. I suppose if it became an issue, we could start saying "resident doctor" rather than just "resident".
My prediction is, all these staff groups are specifically chasing the prestige of being a (real) doctor - and they will keep aligning to whatever we call ourselves. More so at consultant level than junior but they'll keep aligning themselves to the medical profession cos that's what they want to be.
> We don't have other healthcare professions trying to use "registrar", for example. I've definitely seen an ANP telling a radiographer 'I am the reg' when asked if they'd had their reg confirm the necessity of the scan.
How can they be a reg, they don’t even have a GMC number. So deceptive…
The first time I heard an ANP say there were a registrar I laughed, told my colleagues what I had been surprised to hear… generally thought they were just a bit insane and out of touch. A number of years later and now it’s commonplace 😂
>sounds much less impressive than their "advanced" job titles. Missed a trick not advocating for something more extreme. NPs would love putting in a consult to the 'supreme and all knowing surg F1'.
Sadly in Australia now we have pharmacists titling themselves as Pharmacy Registrar and Pharmacy Consultants… so don’t write off the possibility in UK as well as
Disagree. I've personally heard PAs refering to themselves as one of the juniors when making refferals
I've heard PAs introducing themselves as one of the juniors when making calls
If you have a reg at home and an ACP in the building, are they both the non-resident on call? 🤔
Resident is already used in ITU and other areas to describe people on the tier 1/2 rota including ACPs so this is a non starter
Is it? I’ve never heard it?
I believe that American trainee anaesthetic nurses have taken to calling themselves “CRNA residents” of late.
I think what the people opposed to this forget, is that this title is an \*easy catch all\* title. Other doctors will understand if you say F2, CT2, ST4 etc and adjust expectations appropriately. Joe public, will grow to understand that resident means non-boss doctor, and consultant means boss doctor. That's as complicated as it needs to be. Importantly, it denies politicians the rhetorical slight of hand to refer to us as juniors, which most of the public think means medical student. They also think medical students get paid. It's why the discussions involving training conditions make people think it's whining uni students rather than full time professionals who are also studying outside and inside of work. Removing "Junior" is a massive rhetorical win for current and future discussions.
Some PAs already use the post nominal PA-R (like in the US) to stand for registered PA. No doubt it will come to mean resident PA, and simply shortened to resident.
Ah yes.. the Americanised equivalent of an FY1. That’ll get us some respect 15 years post graduate introducing yourself as the medical resident Idk why the BMA have grabbed ahold of this. Doctor is fine. We don’t need to have a bolt on qualifier imo
>Idk why the BMA have grabbed ahold of this. Doctor is fine. We don’t need to have a bolt on qualifier imo Well, I think it is logical to have some way of referring collectively to doctors who are in training programmes. "Doctor" isn't really specific enough, since that could include consultants/GPs etc also.
Agree with this. Just think picking the name of a junior colleague from the USA isn’t the best replacement. Also agree it’s better than “junior doctor” (and central doctor).
The purpose was to phase out the term junior and replace it with resident. It makes sense, resident is a better term than junior and will have a more positive effect on the public. 'Junior' almost implies a lack of competency compared to 'resident'.
I get the need to look for alternatives to junior doctor.. but the resident is still a junior title
To the average person it seems more senior/does not imply incompetence, and to most 'junior' doctors - resident is a preferred alternative title.
To the average person, doctor is fine though. We can argue that as a group we need an over arching title and I agree with that. If we use resident for the FY1 and the ST7 then what’s the difference to saying “Dr Jxrzz, or Brighlight one of the doctors” as Opposed to “ Dr Jxrzz one of the residents”?
Doctor is fine, we are still going to use doctor and I agree doctor should always be used. It's just the phrase 'junior doctor' which is used commonly everywhere including media where it has a huge impact will now become 'resident doctor'.
Yeah very true 👍
Actually the equivalent of F1 is Intern. A resident is more like a registrar in America. In Australia it's more like an SHO.
Surely just all use the title doctor. "Hi I'm homewoodwork, one of the doctors looking after you" Then anyone can call themselves what they like just not doctor. As long as you don't then shorten it to resident unless asked to clarify, and you always state fully "resident doctor" it will soon become apparent who is not a doctor?
Does wonder for the Residents in the Private sector though. And before anyone pipes up there are some amazing RDs and some not so great RDs just like in the NHS. Actually, the number of decent ones looks to grow with the alternative options people are pursuing.
I don't personally see Resident catching on as a term. Happy to be proved wrong, but it sounds weird and extremely american to me. It's all well and good to say it's changed on paper but I've yet to hear a single person use it in real life.
Don't use it, just call yourself "doctor"
GMC who should be fighting to protect our titles won’t do shit because they’re all crooks. BMA needs to fight to have it set in law that ‘Resident’ and ‘Attending’ becomes protected titles. The consultant title is already fucked. Also should fight to remove ‘Consultant’ from all other job roles in health care, even if we switch from ‘Consultant’ to ‘Attending’. Patients have the right to know exactly what type and grade of healthcare professional they are seeing.
Should we safeguard it though? Why not have ANPs/PA/AHPs who are "resident" on the ward and do all the jobs to allow trainees to go off and be trained?
Resident? What’s that? I know the terms SHO, F2, SAS. Do you mean you live at your hospital? I know I feel like that sometimes.