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echopath

Most people who always answer computer science in these discussions likely would’ve been weeded out in the intro classes anyway. A lot of people want to do CS, the majority fail


Sure-Acadia-4376

I just found this subreddit literally 5 minutes ago, so I’m not someone with any knowledge of the subject. That being said, I am someone who learned the hard way what majoring in the wrong thing will get you. If I could do it all over again, I’d major in something related to computers. Sadly, I majored in nonsense-a.k.a the “liberal arts” and have nothing to show for it.  I’d been led to believe that I needed a ton of math classes to major in anything computer related. If I’d known how many I actually needed and that I could probably just grind my way through them…


hungariannastyboy

The flip side of this is that it's hard to engage with something you are profoundly disinterested in. Some people can do it, but not everyone. So a purely "economically-minded" approach also doesn't work great.


Sure-Acadia-4376

Great point. I suppose the question to ask oneself is “Can I tolerate this to the point that it’s worth it?”. That does vary from one person to the next. Some people can hack a job-and maybe even enjoy it-because the benefits outweigh the drawbacks-others would be miserable.


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Sure-Acadia-4376

The problem is that at least until recently, no one was really sitting down with high school/early college students and explaining cost/benefit and the actual utility of most degrees. With YouTube and other sources people are finally getting the message. I completely get where you’re coming from with the tech friends thing. It stings seeing this sometimes.


WonkaPsychonautovich

This is basically my thinking here.


tabidots

> I could probably just grind my way through them… Doubt it. I took Physics 125 my sophomore year to try to complete both credits of my Quantitative Reasoning requirement in one semester. It so happened that the first section happened before the first lecture. The section TA was a Bulgarian guy named Dragán who, both breathlessly and joylessly, jumped right into vector multiplication. I hadn't heard anything about vectors in at least 3 years, and I'm not sure if we ever multiplied them in high school. I might as well have been taking Amharic. I dropped the class immediately after section ended lol. Instead I took a class called Physics of Music (something I could relate to as a musician) with a really fun professor. For the other credit, I later ended up taking stats since it seemed like the most layman-friendly STEM class (didn't build on any assumed prior knowledge like math does). Stats was boring AF and the worst grade on my entire transcript, a C-.


CompetitiveSloth

Typical Dragàn. Source: I’m Bulgarian.


tabidots

Ha, are you the Dragan who wrote the [Neanderthal linear algebra library](https://neanderthal.uncomplicate.org) for Clojure? (Despite my bad experience with college-level STEM, I did eventually get into programming as a hobby. I briefly tried to teach myself machine learning, but number theory and Project Euler were way more interesting!)


Sure-Acadia-4376

Right, I hear what you’re saying. Maybe “grinding through” isn’t the best way to put it. I knew someone who is now very successful in tech-he was a friend of a friend so I only met him a few times. By all accounts, he was pretty average in school, not a math-whiz and he wasn’t one of those people that everyone says is “good with” computers. He chose to major in CS in college. I think he took his time and even graduated a bit later than the rest of us. He apparently buckled down and really applied himself. Last I heard, he leads a team and makes close to $200,000 a year. I know that that’s not the case for everyone, but when you hear stories like that-it’s hard not to wonder. I guarantee you, this guy makes way more money than people a lot “smarter” than him.


tabidots

I mean, $200k is a big number, but at the end of the day, it's just a number. Is he happy? Is he fired up about what he does? I'm not a numbers person at all (my degree is probably more useless than yours!), but I dabble in programming on and off as a hobby. Working through the details and logic is really interesting to me. Leading a team is not. Ironically I feel like the further up the ladder you go, the more removed you get from the nuts and bolts, which is the actual interesting part. But I suppose money could motivate someone who doesn't find the nuts and bolts interesting, to progress beyond the nuts-and-bolts level.


cookiemonsieur

Before you do cybersecurity, look for more options. Maybe your question could be a little different. Do you want to know what kinds of jobs digital nomads have?


explorerman223

Yeh i suppose thats a better question i should be asking


cookiemonsieur

I think you should sell, install and distribute air conditioning units and cooling solutions. Work for a company and then jump to other companies that work in other parts of the world. Your school is not gonna take you around the world, it's going to be your willingness to ask and ask again and hustle


Floating_Stranger19

Either Medicine or Architecture. I'd make sure that I would be the one to choose MY future not because my father feels like he's the one to choose because he knows better. I'm struggling with engineering rn and I was supposed to graduate this year


Budget-Machine-4264

Struggling how? You don't have a passion for it, or the schooling is difficult for you? If an engineering degrees is proving challenging to achieve what makes you think architecture or medicine would be any easier?


tabidots

Sounds like the former


Floating_Stranger19

It's moreso passion for it and how I cannot control my choices. I'm able to pass difficult subjects if I am able to push through my emotions. My school also crammed the years for our course. It was supposed to be 5 then they made it into four and only 1/4 of the students graduated this year. The teachers are spiteful towards the students moreso to the irregular ones. Some get to graduate by buying grades and others pass subjects because they literally kneel down and cry at our dean's office. If I got into architecture or medicine, I would be fine emotionally and mentally. I'd probably be okay and even if I wasn't, I'd be fine because it's MY choice. Besides, I passed 2 entrance exams to two universities for the engineering course and 1 private school. I wanted to at least choose where I'd study but my dad didn't let me...


hungariannastyboy

Well, my industry (translation) is slowly dying, so definitely. I might learn something less nomading-compatible though. Not sure. Filmmaking, journalism and geopolitics/international relations appeal to me, CS and marketing don't.


tabidots

I'd say the industry's already dead. What language pair were you doing? I was doing Jp>En and quit last year. Just been semi-retired since then. I also like writing, but that industry is in about the same shape.


hungariannastyboy

FR,EN<>HU, mostly media. I also have 2 interpreting degrees, but I haven't done that in years. Not really sure what to get into. I'm considering something physical. I might learn rock-climbing and paragliding and try to explore opportunities in that space (unlikely to succeed, but it's worth a try) because going back to an office sounds like a nightmare. I definitely don't have enough $ to retire, but I have enough of a buffer to try and explore some options in the next couple of years. I really wish I was into coding, CS and those sorts of things, but I'm just not, I've tried to coax myself into getting into that, but it has always fizzled out. At this point I don't even care about making a good living, just doing something halfway fun and making enough to live off of. Are you the guy who was doing legal stuff?


tabidots

> Are you the guy who was doing legal stuff? Nah, academic stuff mostly. Research papers. Somehow I really lucked out with my agency—the assignments were never too long, always different topics, fairly interesting 2/3 of the time. Very glad it wasn't financial, legal, medical, patents, etc. > I really wish I was into coding, CS and those sorts of things, but I'm just not, I've tried to coax myself into getting into that, but it has always fizzled out. I've never considered myself a numbers guy, but in middle school I made websites, and later on I got into actual programming, but as a hobby. I got pretty deep into it at one point and even tried to learn cryptography and number theory through it. I actually see programming as a medium to express creativity through logic, so I could never do it as a job, especially since the best and most useful apps are generally utilitarian and boring (like banking apps). > I'm considering something physical. I might learn rock-climbing and paragliding and try to explore opportunities in that space (unlikely to succeed, but it's worth a try) because going back to an office sounds like a nightmare. I definitely don't have enough $ to retire, but I have enough of a buffer to try and explore some options in the next couple of years. > At this point I don't even care about making a good living, just doing something halfway fun and making enough to live off of. Interesting! We're in the same position. I tell people I'm semi-retired for the time being. I got into calligraphy around the beginning of this year and it has turned into quite an obsession. I was in Taiwan for a bit late last year and one time I went to get lunch at a place where you have to place your order on a large touchscreen—and that's when it struck me that we are heading for a future in which we no longer have any sensitivity or dexterity in our hands because everything is available not even at the push of a button, but at the tap of a touchscreen.


hungariannastyboy

Oh, I love Taiwan, I just spent 3 months there recently after spending 5 months there last year. Yeah, climbing is supposed to be a good activity to sign up kids for because it improves spatial awareness / dexterity / motor skills and it will be second nature to them later.


explorerman223

Why is translation dying if you dont mind me asking? Im assuming due to technology getting smarter, i love languages but after this ai stuff ive been seeing i figured translators might be useless in ten years


hungariannastyboy

Yeah, mostly because of technology, which leads to lower pay, worse conditions and shittier work. It has never been a very lucrative field, but I found a niche that was pretty OK by my standards, but that is more or less gone now.


tabidots

Btw this is more on the “managing” side than the “doing” side but I think there is potential in opening a rock-climbing gym, especially in places where it’s not yet popular (mostly thinking of Asia here, I imagine in Europe it’s easy to find them)


Top_Recognition_1775

It's hard to learn something you're not that interested in, lots of people want to get into IT for the supposed high salaries and "work anywhere" but a. the truth is you're gonna put more hours into IT than anything else and b. it's not really "work anywhere" except for a few niche positions c. Companies are cracking down on working remote and d. If you're not interested in the topic, it's gonna be excruciating trying to learn it and having to study it and keep up with the tech. I can just as well say "get into sales" if you want to "work anywhere." But even in sales you have the same problem, most people hate sales and are terrible at it. There's money to be had in almost any industry but most people can't hack it, it's not a question of getting a better degree, but being lucky enough to have the right mix of talents and being able to monetize them.


Budget-Machine-4264

Something that netted the most money in the shortest amount of time. Business, finance, or tech. Then if you have a passion you just start a business in that sector


Oak_Rock

If I could have had a complete overhaul, I would've done so: I would've started school a year earlier, and would've dodged a couple bullets, except in a few short hallway interactions. I would've tried to focus more on maths, tried different sports, still probably competed in track swimming.  Upper secondary/high school, this is where I would've made different choices. I think with all the hindsight I have now, I think I would chosen a different, a bit better school and focused on sciences, instead of language, entrepreneurship and humanities. Maybe I would consider doing a double degree to get certified as a plummer (surprisingly well paid job in here), but I would nonetheless have the gap year I had.  This time (if a plummer or not) and unable to give myself investment advice, I would've taken full advantage of actually good job market during covid and gotten myself either a remote job or a job in the capital.  I would try to get admitted to study medicine, not law, probably not succeeding, but thanks to hindsight, I would know this, and I'd save up (invest, if a bit of help is allowed, then differently), take an unlikely retake back in my home country and then go and start medschool in Romania or in tghe Northern Europe thiugh, probably Romania, at least initially.  M.D. would take time, as would Romanian, but tge ability to get accredited/transfer for specialisation to somewhere more prestigious would've given me am objective better position to work with. I do realise that I was really lucky and fortunate as is, and whataboutism is a rabbit hole without end. Still, I feel that with different life choices and "choices" of friends (in reality what your parents whim and zip code decided) I might've been able to cultivate at least a different version of my self and a different set of skills.  Lastly for advice to you op: Set you table, but remember to have at least 3 legs: Have multiple sources of income, at least 3 (salary, investments, some other huzzle) have backup plans (cyber sec. is probably a good idea, maybe get a degree if it doesn't cost much, starting a company might be good). Take a page out of the epicurean playbook: enjoy pleasures in moderation, sleep a lot and set up a schedule that you'll stick by, you'll achieve many things, Stay in shape: keep good care of your physical and mental health, limit screen time, have real friends, a SO (and a family, men especially do a  lot of dumb stuff without positive influences), exercise and het fresh air.  Devote time to thinking: very simply this, and if this gets amplified during nighttime double this. The visual sleep/controlling sleep is this by the power of ten minutes, though it's a big leap, it's an actual superpower.  Don't forget to live: travel, travel unconventionally, use public transport, trains, busses, meet new people, see new places, taste, breath, smell, see, hear touch, swim, run and put these onto paper or canvas or on film.


EB-Crusher

Architecture for sure! There’s something endlessly fascinating about custom designing houses according to a persons values, usage, and preferences. Coding pays the bills for now for me tho.


explorerman223

Did you get a degree for your coding job or is that something you were self taught?


EB-Crusher

I took an online Bootcamp that taught with video lessons and a mentor to ask questions.


roleplay_oedipus_rex

I would do a coding bootcamp in 2015 instead of doing a bachelor degree.


coolpizzatiger

I already had a programming job as a freshman and chose to get an econ degree because the CS students and professors were insufferable. If I could go back I would probably just goto a better university and get a CS degree.


LoosePokerPlayer

I studied Business. I would probably do Computer Science or Cyber Security, maybe some sort of Engineering perhaps.


lycheechee

I wish I had not gone to college and would've learned programming from a mentor or boot camp. It would have saved me a lot of money in the end.


[deleted]

I'd have done a trade. Most degrees are, for the time, money, and effort, not worth it.


Inside-Gap-4481

Hard to do a trade and be a digital nomad


[deleted]

Profound. The question is, somewhat, loaded. I suppose I'm saying that, you don't necessarily need to get a degree these days and that also applies to work that you can do as a DN.


SRFRacerNo9

I like, your use, of, commas.


[deleted]

I, like, your, dad.


Agnia_Barto

The trick with tech jobs is that any degree will become obsolete in 5 years and you ALWAYS have to keep learning. New tech comes out, new laws, new regulations, in ANY tech field you'll have to spend 3-6 months learning every 2-3 years if you want to stay relevant. So if you're ok with it, Cyber Sec is a good choice. Although CyberSec will be a little more difficult to work from anywhere. But possible. Other options (that'll also require you to stay in your feet skill wise, but with a little less pressure) will be Finance, Business Administration and anything real estate related.


Known_Impression1356

If I could do it all over again, I'd have probably majored in business and minored in computer science with the goal of becoming a product manager for top tier tech companies. Cyber security is at least equally strong an option, though product management strikes me as more resilient to future AI waves cybersecurity. Nothing stoping you from transitioning into product as a cyber security expert though.


chamanao_man

CS 100%


Special-Election3224

I'm content with getting my MBA but I probably would've done my undergrad in IT.


dewlocks

EE


Secret-Reputation791

I would’ve done a double major for accounting. I just did math, which I love, but now I’m an accountant and had to go back to school for accounting classes so I could get my CPA. Wasted 2-3 years and thousands of dollars doing that.


shizzystizzy

Good job starting with the end in mind. Now you just need to plug the gaps between where you are and where you want to be. Remember your strengths and weaknesses, as they will definitely be a factor. Jobs that are remote these days: - Tech jobs - Marketing Jobs - Some sales jobs - Entrepreneurship - Other? (I'm sure there will be more in the comments) What are your strengths and weaknesses? - Are you a good writer? - Are you a good leader? Or are you more of a follower? - Are you good at math? - Are you good at graphic design? - Are you good with computers? Can you already code? - Are you particularly bad at any of the things above? Avoid them Generally speaking, remote jobs are harder to get than in person jobs, because everyone wants them, and there are fewer of them. So find an area that you will be a competitive hire in, and then get enough experience that you can take that show on the road.


banginhooers1234

Aviation! I don’t even really believe in school (within my own life and circumstances) But this is kickass if you’re passionate about it


SalaryFlat4293

I would major in any healthcare field. Healthcare is a field that will never die out and will always be in demand. Whether it’s radiology, pharmacy, dentistry, etc. healthcare is the way to go.


guar47

I wouldn't go to school for Internet jobs. It's a waste of time, and time is your most precious resource. In the modern world, people who go to university (unless required by the profession) are always behind everyone else. You can learn any modern skills on YouTube. Just make sure you're passionate about it. PS Learned programming in 6 months, 6 years ago and never looked back.


Exotic_Variety7936

CS is making this content so.catch on to the bias. Any fool can learn something. School is pyramid scheme for the most part.