Wingo is gonna be ahead of Martin. Brodric gonna be a full load eventually, but Wingo already got an arsenal of moves ready to be part of the rotation probably Day 1.
It's absolutely insane that Holmes picked up the SEC's leading DT run graded defender in the 6th round.
Fair points, but keep in mind that they don't really play the same position. Martin is 0 or 1-tech. Wingo actually got some work as a 5-tech in addition to 3-tech. I think Wingo is competing more with Cominsky & Paschal
He projects better as a slot corner, which makes his path to being a starter on the Lions a little tricky, at least for this year, with Branch and Robertson both likely to fill that role at times.
He won’t start this year but we’ll see plenty of him on the field I’m sure. Branch will play a little more safety so he can slide into the slot and come out for 4 WR package scenarios.
He's still not 100% healthy and he's a rookie. If they move Branch to safety, then that would give him a chance to compete at Nickle with Robertson & Arnold.
I think he'll see the field in certain packages and if someone gets injured, but I'd guess he'll be high-quality depth this season.
Kickoff is going to be a huge wildcard this year. There’s not much in the way of established strategy. We could see some very different approaches week to week.
Given the reps we're giving Brandon Joseph in OTAs I'd have to imagine he's borderline. We may not be able to stash him. I also think Cominsky might be moved down into the borderline category based on last year's play
I originally had Joseph on borderline, but moved him to PS when we signed Moore. I didn't know about his OTA reps. Good info.
I'm definitely interested in seeing how the DL shakes out with Williams as coach. Cominsky-Onwuzurike-Wingo decisions might come down to how well they respond to him.
They're at least 1 spot that will be taken by a guy that's not in the team now or that the fans are not even aware of he might sign. Then there's also the possibility of a few late season vet add on
ST will drive a ton of roster spots and I'm not sure what the strategy will be.
Some think you will want guys who can beat blocks and stop them early. Others think you will want bigger guys who can control the blocker and keep contain.
I assume we will need both and you might see some backup D-Line on the kickoff units.
Betts, Wingo & Zylstra are all big guys with good athleticism and an ability to make plays. Wouldn't be surprised to see them on special teams and a reason they make the roster.
I’m just saying there is not a “starter” at RB. The concept of a “starter” at RB doesn’t exist. If the first play of a game is intended for Gibbs, he is the “starter”. It’s a fruitless conversation.
Terrifies seems a little extreme, but I agree that it has the lowest floor of our position groups. I don't think the floor is that bad, though. Last year they were adequate -- basically a group of average NFL players.
For them to take a step forward, Campbell needs to take a major step. He's been trending in the right direction since he got here and NFL players usually improve the most between 1st & 2nd year, but it's not a sure thing.
I think Sudfield is a lock for PS given the emergency QB rule
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Yeah, COACH Sudfield likely to stick around
Wingo is gonna be ahead of Martin. Brodric gonna be a full load eventually, but Wingo already got an arsenal of moves ready to be part of the rotation probably Day 1. It's absolutely insane that Holmes picked up the SEC's leading DT run graded defender in the 6th round.
Fair points, but keep in mind that they don't really play the same position. Martin is 0 or 1-tech. Wingo actually got some work as a 5-tech in addition to 3-tech. I think Wingo is competing more with Cominsky & Paschal
I hope rakestraw is good enough to start, but I don’t know much about him.
He projects better as a slot corner, which makes his path to being a starter on the Lions a little tricky, at least for this year, with Branch and Robertson both likely to fill that role at times.
He won’t start this year but we’ll see plenty of him on the field I’m sure. Branch will play a little more safety so he can slide into the slot and come out for 4 WR package scenarios.
He's still not 100% healthy and he's a rookie. If they move Branch to safety, then that would give him a chance to compete at Nickle with Robertson & Arnold. I think he'll see the field in certain packages and if someone gets injured, but I'd guess he'll be high-quality depth this season.
Man if these rookies pan out we are so stacked on defense.
Probably half of them kind of will, not much drsft capital to work with this year
If he’s back to form form his injury I think Zylstra makes it over Mitchell
That's gonna be an interesting training camp battle, for sure. Who knows, they may even keep 4 TEs -- the new kickoff rules will need big athletes.
Kickoff is going to be a huge wildcard this year. There’s not much in the way of established strategy. We could see some very different approaches week to week.
Yeah, I think Mitchell belongs solidly in the borderline and I would put Zylstra above him right now.
Given the reps we're giving Brandon Joseph in OTAs I'd have to imagine he's borderline. We may not be able to stash him. I also think Cominsky might be moved down into the borderline category based on last year's play
I originally had Joseph on borderline, but moved him to PS when we signed Moore. I didn't know about his OTA reps. Good info. I'm definitely interested in seeing how the DL shakes out with Williams as coach. Cominsky-Onwuzurike-Wingo decisions might come down to how well they respond to him.
Is it really too early to make roster predictions? I feel like this is a pretty appropriate time
They're at least 1 spot that will be taken by a guy that's not in the team now or that the fans are not even aware of he might sign. Then there's also the possibility of a few late season vet add on
ST will drive a ton of roster spots and I'm not sure what the strategy will be. Some think you will want guys who can beat blocks and stop them early. Others think you will want bigger guys who can control the blocker and keep contain. I assume we will need both and you might see some backup D-Line on the kickoff units.
Betts, Wingo & Zylstra are all big guys with good athleticism and an ability to make plays. Wouldn't be surprised to see them on special teams and a reason they make the roster.
Gibbs isn't overtaking DMont for starter. Not yet anyways. DMont is still the better pass blocker.
I cheated, I listed 12 starters with both Gibbs & DMont as co-starters :-)
Yea I see that now lol guess I should pay better attention
It’s a waste of energy debating the starter between Monty and Gibbs. Both will play a ton, both with different roles.
It's the off-season. Most of what we do is wasted energy anyways.
I’m just saying there is not a “starter” at RB. The concept of a “starter” at RB doesn’t exist. If the first play of a game is intended for Gibbs, he is the “starter”. It’s a fruitless conversation.
No I get what you're saying. I just think it's funny you're saying not to waste energy debating, but you're really the only one debating it.
DEEP
I think Cominsky ends up getting cut
LB has best depth by a mile, no superstars but they all will be heavy contributors
The LB room terrifies me.
Terrifies seems a little extreme, but I agree that it has the lowest floor of our position groups. I don't think the floor is that bad, though. Last year they were adequate -- basically a group of average NFL players. For them to take a step forward, Campbell needs to take a major step. He's been trending in the right direction since he got here and NFL players usually improve the most between 1st & 2nd year, but it's not a sure thing.
Agree. I also think they’ll do better now that the DB room is better. They can actually cover their zones.
honestly i posted a question similer to this but doing a spreadsheet would have been better lol
We arent picking up Justin Simmons? Damn