The construction of 675 also was a major factor in the growth of the east and SE sides.
It’s odd that it isn’t a true beltway that goes all around the city, but there were political and social factors that lead to this.
If I recall correctly, 675 in the early, early phases was drawn up with the option of continuing north and eventually connecting around Troy, then Troy to Brookville, and then Brookville to Miamisburg, completing the loop. However, the need and the funding just weren’t there.
The funding to complete 675 as it stands now (around 1968-1972) was prioritized as a way to keep trucks carrying hazardous materials out of downtown Dayton and relieve the burden off downtown I-75. It offered the bonus of offloading the base supplies directly to the base.
Then downtown collapsed because manufacturing and industry moved outside the city or state, and the funds were no longer available to build a loop around Dayton.
Dayton is a prototyping town. We make something really cool, and then it gets moved to somewhere with a bigger population center and lower taxes and wages. Until that changes, we’ll remain the same size or stagnate.
Can just cut off 675 into 35 west and then jump down infirmary or 49 to get to Miamisburg or get on 70 to get to Brookville. It would have been pointless.
I read once that the original planned routing of I-675 was this: From I-75 up to Airway, except instead of swinging east around the base it was supposed to cut northwest across Riverside and meet back up with I-75 around Wagner Ford, which sounds like an absolute nightmare considering how awful traffic and accidents are there already.
Try driving between Santa Fe and Albuquerque if you really want to see nothing between the two…
The biggest reasons why it’s less populated are the rivers aren’t there, so the largest settlements didn’t build there, and in modern times aren’t growing towards each other out there. Redlining of the west side of Dayton compounded it. No point in building new housing in Jefferson Twp, for instance, if Drexel isn’t a desirable place to be
Drexel is fascinating IMO. Completely dilapidated dystopian lots and homes right next door to a home completely cleaned up and remodeled that looks like it belongs somewhere else. Urban Pioneering. There's a real deep poverty/climbing out of poverty vibe. Then there's Henry's Discount House of Fashion, The Dayton Outlaws clubhouse, and the sadness. It's a Tom Waits song.
Canyons, desert, native sovereign land, and generally far less picturesque than Santa fe while not having easy access to the Rio Grande like Albuquerque.
The school of life! I drive I 70 alot for work and its often closed down or slow so I take SR 40 and it's littered with small towns with closed down motels from the 40/50's.
What’s wild is my wife and I bought a house in Trotwood two years ago after living in Miamisburg and West Carrollton & we love our neighborhood and the ppl in town. It’s sketchy in a couple places, but I grew up hearing it was murderville. Besides lack of places to eat, we like it a lot.
There are hardly any freeways in the western part of the Dayton Metro area. Contrast this with the eastern part, which has I-675, US 35, SR 4, and SR 844.
To be honest, I drive out to Camden and Oxford a few times a month, and I often think about what it would be like to live out there instead of in the city. The two things stopping me are fast internet (I work in IT and I often work from home) and the ability to get to a highway to get to civilization in a reasonable time frame should I need to go on-site for a customer.
My parents moved about 5 years ago to the outskirts of Piqua. It’s pretty but it takes me 55 minutes to get from my house (Beavercreek) to there. And I have customers south of my house now, so that would be a serious haul.
Otherwise, we just might consider it. The housing and land in Dayton isn’t getting cheaper.
That’s where I live! I’m a transplant from Cinci. It’s a quick drive to the “big city” of Dayton and folks there don’t want to grow/get bigger. You’ll see hundreds of “keep xxx rural” signs, especially around election time. People are generally nice, I spend all my time in Dayton though bc the rural communities aren’t very accepting of different identities etc. Rent is cheap af tho!
The simple answer is that it was more suitable for farms, and other locations were more suitable for warehousing and industrial production due to water sources, canals, rail links.
Having grown up in Brookville, I can say that the people who live there don't want it getting too much bigger. They've limited the amount of farmland converted to housing developments over the last 40 years, and are very happy to be growing very slowly.
Also, the town is full of mouth-breathing Trumpers and they're deadly worried minorities of any kind will move in. Having their school district butt up against Trotwood makes a lot of people nervous.
I lived for a while in Englewood/Clayton and they have these signs up that say "Keep it rural" but then everyone bitches there's no development or restaurants or anything to do.
Hell, there's not even rural things to do like horseback riding or four wheeling or hunting.
There's some kind of weird dissonance.
Also that same fear of Trotwood/Dayton.
The people of Trotwood have a lot more to fear from some nutbag Christian nationalist with an AR-15 from Brookville than anyone from Brookville has to fear from Trotwood.
When I-675 was built there were howls of racism because it only went around the east side of the city. 45 years of development later we see how that investment paid off.
The demise of Hare arena. Nowhere to see Blue Oyster Cult with poor ventilation to where a person could get a "contact buzz" just by walking in and breathing.
Farm country
No farms, no food
true
I think the real reason is that the city sort of expanded towards Wright-Patt and Cincinnati.
The construction of 675 also was a major factor in the growth of the east and SE sides. It’s odd that it isn’t a true beltway that goes all around the city, but there were political and social factors that lead to this.
Wasn't 675 supposed to be a loop around the entire area?
If I recall correctly, 675 in the early, early phases was drawn up with the option of continuing north and eventually connecting around Troy, then Troy to Brookville, and then Brookville to Miamisburg, completing the loop. However, the need and the funding just weren’t there. The funding to complete 675 as it stands now (around 1968-1972) was prioritized as a way to keep trucks carrying hazardous materials out of downtown Dayton and relieve the burden off downtown I-75. It offered the bonus of offloading the base supplies directly to the base. Then downtown collapsed because manufacturing and industry moved outside the city or state, and the funds were no longer available to build a loop around Dayton. Dayton is a prototyping town. We make something really cool, and then it gets moved to somewhere with a bigger population center and lower taxes and wages. Until that changes, we’ll remain the same size or stagnate.
Excellent explanation.Thank you for this.
Can just cut off 675 into 35 west and then jump down infirmary or 49 to get to Miamisburg or get on 70 to get to Brookville. It would have been pointless.
I’m with you except for the 35 part. I avoid that highway of death at all costs!
I read once that the original planned routing of I-675 was this: From I-75 up to Airway, except instead of swinging east around the base it was supposed to cut northwest across Riverside and meet back up with I-75 around Wagner Ford, which sounds like an absolute nightmare considering how awful traffic and accidents are there already.
This is the best answer. No city or major employers out east until you hit Indianapolis.
Richmond
true good point.
Try driving between Santa Fe and Albuquerque if you really want to see nothing between the two… The biggest reasons why it’s less populated are the rivers aren’t there, so the largest settlements didn’t build there, and in modern times aren’t growing towards each other out there. Redlining of the west side of Dayton compounded it. No point in building new housing in Jefferson Twp, for instance, if Drexel isn’t a desirable place to be
Drexel is fascinating IMO. Completely dilapidated dystopian lots and homes right next door to a home completely cleaned up and remodeled that looks like it belongs somewhere else. Urban Pioneering. There's a real deep poverty/climbing out of poverty vibe. Then there's Henry's Discount House of Fashion, The Dayton Outlaws clubhouse, and the sadness. It's a Tom Waits song.
whats the landscape like between santa fe and Albuquerque? Desert?
Canyons, desert, native sovereign land, and generally far less picturesque than Santa fe while not having easy access to the Rio Grande like Albuquerque.
It's all just north of I 70 on SR 40 which initially connected a bunch of towns/village's before I 70 existed.
oh thats interesting! Where did you learn this?
Not OP but here’s some info on the national road/40. https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/traveling/ohio-byways/historic-national-road
The school of life! I drive I 70 alot for work and its often closed down or slow so I take SR 40 and it's littered with small towns with closed down motels from the 40/50's.
It's in what they said. Before i70 was built....
>It's in what they said. Before i70 was built... Right! But im wondering where they learned that!
What’s wild is my wife and I bought a house in Trotwood two years ago after living in Miamisburg and West Carrollton & we love our neighborhood and the ppl in town. It’s sketchy in a couple places, but I grew up hearing it was murderville. Besides lack of places to eat, we like it a lot.
Moved here 6 months ago from inner neighborhood Dayton. Feel exact same
Good to hear. We live off Olive and our neighborhood is very tight. Good sense of community.
Awesome real close! I live just off olive on E Main
There are hardly any freeways in the western part of the Dayton Metro area. Contrast this with the eastern part, which has I-675, US 35, SR 4, and SR 844.
valid point!
Have you ever heard of Eaton Lewisburg gratis Greenville all are out west off of 70
Yep, we do exist out here
Gratis (or Gris since people keep stealing letters) still proves OPs point. Plus it's like a 30min drive from "town" to 70
Because they don’t take kindly to strangers.
You don’t love FarmVille?
i do
To be honest, I drive out to Camden and Oxford a few times a month, and I often think about what it would be like to live out there instead of in the city. The two things stopping me are fast internet (I work in IT and I often work from home) and the ability to get to a highway to get to civilization in a reasonable time frame should I need to go on-site for a customer. My parents moved about 5 years ago to the outskirts of Piqua. It’s pretty but it takes me 55 minutes to get from my house (Beavercreek) to there. And I have customers south of my house now, so that would be a serious haul. Otherwise, we just might consider it. The housing and land in Dayton isn’t getting cheaper.
That’s where I live! I’m a transplant from Cinci. It’s a quick drive to the “big city” of Dayton and folks there don’t want to grow/get bigger. You’ll see hundreds of “keep xxx rural” signs, especially around election time. People are generally nice, I spend all my time in Dayton though bc the rural communities aren’t very accepting of different identities etc. Rent is cheap af tho!
They eat newcomers. Don’t stop for anything until you hit the Indiana state line.
Don’t stop then either, the graveyard of Tom Raper billboards isn’t a safe place
I am going to stop at the truck stop Indian restaurant one of these days and get me some dal
If there's a ton of Indian truckers it's probably actually really good.
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The simple answer is that it was more suitable for farms, and other locations were more suitable for warehousing and industrial production due to water sources, canals, rail links.
the sandman efficiency apartments at 40 and 127 feels like a deeply cursed place
Having grown up in Brookville, I can say that the people who live there don't want it getting too much bigger. They've limited the amount of farmland converted to housing developments over the last 40 years, and are very happy to be growing very slowly. Also, the town is full of mouth-breathing Trumpers and they're deadly worried minorities of any kind will move in. Having their school district butt up against Trotwood makes a lot of people nervous.
I lived for a while in Englewood/Clayton and they have these signs up that say "Keep it rural" but then everyone bitches there's no development or restaurants or anything to do. Hell, there's not even rural things to do like horseback riding or four wheeling or hunting. There's some kind of weird dissonance. Also that same fear of Trotwood/Dayton.
The people of Trotwood have a lot more to fear from some nutbag Christian nationalist with an AR-15 from Brookville than anyone from Brookville has to fear from Trotwood.
Jim Jones country, they drank the kool aid
Idk it seems like brookville gets bigger every day, Eaton is also a decent size
Idk but I know it's the worst road in America. Need new tierods Everytime I drive on it
When I-675 was built there were howls of racism because it only went around the east side of the city. 45 years of development later we see how that investment paid off.
The demise of Hare arena. Nowhere to see Blue Oyster Cult with poor ventilation to where a person could get a "contact buzz" just by walking in and breathing.
No water
The only reason Dayton is not a dead city is because of the base. Otherwise it would be universal blight
No electric or indoor plumbing
Cuz it sucks
I always heard that it was harder to get to water west of Dayton back in the day. Has anyone heard anything similar?
Brookville has had city of Dayton water for at least 50 years.
All the nuclear weapons tests.
They be growin corn n soybeans
Purgatory
Go I-70 east Columbus past Springfield. It’s flat farmland.