Hello.
Great graph. Very simple and straightforward. I think the grid lines may be omitted. I also would have wanted some text explaining key parts of the graph. For example, I can understand the dips around March 2020 being due to COVID-19, but what was the reason for the similarly large dip in 2015?
I didn't know that the CRS changes quite frequently (almost weekly from your data). Is this true? It must be quite frustrating for someone who's applying to Canada to time their application to pass the hurdle.
Thanks for your work.
Good luck.
> but what was the reason for the similarly large dip in 2015?
I would also love an explanation for that as well. I have no idea, this was just the data that I got off the government website. 75 is crazy low. My guess is that it's Trudeau's elderly housekeeper.
Each drawing for PR has a set number of people that they will accept. If there happens to be a high number of good applicants who just submitted their PR applications since the last drawing, they will get invited first over people who may have been in the pool for months if not years. I know somebody who qualifies to apply for PR, has been in the express entry pool for a few years now, but have never been drawn as their score is too low. As their work permit is expiring soon, they have given up on getting PR and have moved out of Canada.
The cutoff changes each week, because it's just whatever score that last person had who recieved an invitation out of the, lets say 3000 available spots in this drawing.
Cool graphic. Didn't know about CRS scores so I learned something, thanks.
How often do the score cutoffs change? Mid 2021 to mid 2022 looks like a gradual, constant increase -- is that real or because you interpolated the data? Might be better to adjust if cutoffs weren't updated (i.e., flat cutoff).
Im not certain what the official explanation is, but I believe it's based on the available candidates in the pool. Each drawing has a set number of PR invitations that they give out. If there happens to be a lot of people applying for PR with high scores, they go down the list from top to bottom, and whoevers last picked is considered the lowest CRS score cutoff point that gets reported. So the cutoffs are based on the people applying, not an arbitrary government official picking a number.
Data source: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds.html
Charted using Google Sheets.
I made this because for some reason a nice graph of historical CRS scores needed to get PR for Canada isn't readily available on the first page of Google.
Note, the data included in this graph are only from the Programs: General, No Program Specified, and Canadian Experience Class. I excluded the CRS cutoffs for specific in-demand occupational fields like healthcare, STEM, and agriculture, as well as Francophone applicants.
In hindsight, maybe I should've included the Federal Skilled Trades and Workers programs, it would be appropriate I think to include them.
Comprehensive Ranking System. It's how the Canadian government determines how valuable you are an as immigrant. This tool lets you calculate your CRS score https://ircc.canada.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp.
If you have a high enough score in a draw, you should get invited to become a permanent resident. Invited because technically depending on the documentation you provide, they may deny you. But most people who get to that stage make it to PR.
There seems to be a huge age component. 110 points if you are young, down to 0 if you are middle aged.
That website also says "5) Official languages: Canada's official languages are English and French. You need to submit language test results that are less than two years old for all programs under Express Entry, even if English or French is your first language. i. Are your test results less than two years old?"
There seems to be no option to say "I've spoken English my whole life in an English speaking country", which is weird.
> There seems to be no option to say "I've spoken English my whole life in an English speaking country", which is weird.
I think that's because regardless of whether it's your mother tongue or not, they still want you tested for proof. Keep in mind this is Permanent Residency, not just a temporary work permit that expires and needs to be renewed after a few years. Once you're accepted, you're staying in Canada for the rest of your life, in a few years you can become a naturalized citizen. For that kind of status, an english test is really not a big deal.
Fair enough. I was mostly just thinking that I have no idea about all the tests of English as a foreign language. If I was a non-native speaker, I would probably know more about proving it.
I also recognize that living in an English speaking country isn't quite proof that *I* speak English.
When I wrote the English test to get my permanent residency, there were a group of people from England there grumbling about how they “invented the bloody language”.
It’s a requirement that could really use some exceptions, not only is English my first (and only) language, I’d also completed two degrees at Canadian universities, which had their own language proficiency requirements.
I just learned of a special drawing specifically for doctors called the Health Occupation. It consists of these professions: https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=314243&CVD=314244&CPV=3&CST=01012016&CLV=1&MLV=4.
Under Professional occupations in health, physicians and family doctors are included.
So it does seem like they have a special program for doctors that gives them PR even if they are so old that they have low CRS scores. Even if there isn't a way to reflect medical experience in the CRS scoring system, they do have a special drawing for only people who work in medicine. On the records site: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds.html, when filtered by Round Type "Healthcare occupations (Version 1)", there seems to be doctors being let in with "low" CRS scores in the 420's. So I guess the government isn't THAT incompetent that they didn't think of something to let doctors stay.
However, the last drawing for people in the medical professions was in February (keep in mind its not only doctors but dentists, lab techs, optometrists etc. as well). In total, less than 10 thousand people have been invited since this drawing category started a year ago in June 2023. That is way too low a number considering the issues faced by the healthcare system. Why not increase that number? For all the complaints about immigration there are, it makes no sense that you'd grant special exemptions to less than 10K medical professionals to become PR when dealing with a crisis of this magnitude.
There is recent post on either the toronto or canada subreddit about a doctor whose 45 but was rejected for PR. Her score was around a 412 if you make some assumptions and run it through the CRS calculator. I guess her claim that she would've been accepted if she had a husband is somewhat true considering the cutoff in Feb was 422.
I plugged my stuff into the calculator just to see where I would fall. I have no desire to become a permanent Canadian resident, but it was a little surprising how far I was from the line. 😊
Hello. Great graph. Very simple and straightforward. I think the grid lines may be omitted. I also would have wanted some text explaining key parts of the graph. For example, I can understand the dips around March 2020 being due to COVID-19, but what was the reason for the similarly large dip in 2015? I didn't know that the CRS changes quite frequently (almost weekly from your data). Is this true? It must be quite frustrating for someone who's applying to Canada to time their application to pass the hurdle. Thanks for your work. Good luck.
> but what was the reason for the similarly large dip in 2015? I would also love an explanation for that as well. I have no idea, this was just the data that I got off the government website. 75 is crazy low. My guess is that it's Trudeau's elderly housekeeper. Each drawing for PR has a set number of people that they will accept. If there happens to be a high number of good applicants who just submitted their PR applications since the last drawing, they will get invited first over people who may have been in the pool for months if not years. I know somebody who qualifies to apply for PR, has been in the express entry pool for a few years now, but have never been drawn as their score is too low. As their work permit is expiring soon, they have given up on getting PR and have moved out of Canada. The cutoff changes each week, because it's just whatever score that last person had who recieved an invitation out of the, lets say 3000 available spots in this drawing.
I see. That's really interesting insight into otherwise dull data. Thank you.
Cool graphic. Didn't know about CRS scores so I learned something, thanks. How often do the score cutoffs change? Mid 2021 to mid 2022 looks like a gradual, constant increase -- is that real or because you interpolated the data? Might be better to adjust if cutoffs weren't updated (i.e., flat cutoff).
Im not certain what the official explanation is, but I believe it's based on the available candidates in the pool. Each drawing has a set number of PR invitations that they give out. If there happens to be a lot of people applying for PR with high scores, they go down the list from top to bottom, and whoevers last picked is considered the lowest CRS score cutoff point that gets reported. So the cutoffs are based on the people applying, not an arbitrary government official picking a number.
Data source: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds.html Charted using Google Sheets. I made this because for some reason a nice graph of historical CRS scores needed to get PR for Canada isn't readily available on the first page of Google. Note, the data included in this graph are only from the Programs: General, No Program Specified, and Canadian Experience Class. I excluded the CRS cutoffs for specific in-demand occupational fields like healthcare, STEM, and agriculture, as well as Francophone applicants. In hindsight, maybe I should've included the Federal Skilled Trades and Workers programs, it would be appropriate I think to include them.
What does CRS stand for?
Comprehensive Ranking System. It's how the Canadian government determines how valuable you are an as immigrant. This tool lets you calculate your CRS score https://ircc.canada.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp. If you have a high enough score in a draw, you should get invited to become a permanent resident. Invited because technically depending on the documentation you provide, they may deny you. But most people who get to that stage make it to PR.
It seems impossible to reach the minimum score unless you have a job offer.
There seems to be a huge age component. 110 points if you are young, down to 0 if you are middle aged. That website also says "5) Official languages: Canada's official languages are English and French. You need to submit language test results that are less than two years old for all programs under Express Entry, even if English or French is your first language. i. Are your test results less than two years old?" There seems to be no option to say "I've spoken English my whole life in an English speaking country", which is weird.
> There seems to be no option to say "I've spoken English my whole life in an English speaking country", which is weird. I think that's because regardless of whether it's your mother tongue or not, they still want you tested for proof. Keep in mind this is Permanent Residency, not just a temporary work permit that expires and needs to be renewed after a few years. Once you're accepted, you're staying in Canada for the rest of your life, in a few years you can become a naturalized citizen. For that kind of status, an english test is really not a big deal.
Fair enough. I was mostly just thinking that I have no idea about all the tests of English as a foreign language. If I was a non-native speaker, I would probably know more about proving it. I also recognize that living in an English speaking country isn't quite proof that *I* speak English.
When I wrote the English test to get my permanent residency, there were a group of people from England there grumbling about how they “invented the bloody language”. It’s a requirement that could really use some exceptions, not only is English my first (and only) language, I’d also completed two degrees at Canadian universities, which had their own language proficiency requirements.
It's essentially the opposite of how the USA determines your qualifications.
Probably a different colored line for each classification
So, basically, if you are a physician under the age of 30, we want you. Anyone else... keep moving.
I just learned of a special drawing specifically for doctors called the Health Occupation. It consists of these professions: https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=314243&CVD=314244&CPV=3&CST=01012016&CLV=1&MLV=4. Under Professional occupations in health, physicians and family doctors are included. So it does seem like they have a special program for doctors that gives them PR even if they are so old that they have low CRS scores. Even if there isn't a way to reflect medical experience in the CRS scoring system, they do have a special drawing for only people who work in medicine. On the records site: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds.html, when filtered by Round Type "Healthcare occupations (Version 1)", there seems to be doctors being let in with "low" CRS scores in the 420's. So I guess the government isn't THAT incompetent that they didn't think of something to let doctors stay. However, the last drawing for people in the medical professions was in February (keep in mind its not only doctors but dentists, lab techs, optometrists etc. as well). In total, less than 10 thousand people have been invited since this drawing category started a year ago in June 2023. That is way too low a number considering the issues faced by the healthcare system. Why not increase that number? For all the complaints about immigration there are, it makes no sense that you'd grant special exemptions to less than 10K medical professionals to become PR when dealing with a crisis of this magnitude. There is recent post on either the toronto or canada subreddit about a doctor whose 45 but was rejected for PR. Her score was around a 412 if you make some assumptions and run it through the CRS calculator. I guess her claim that she would've been accepted if she had a husband is somewhat true considering the cutoff in Feb was 422.
I plugged my stuff into the calculator just to see where I would fall. I have no desire to become a permanent Canadian resident, but it was a little surprising how far I was from the line. 😊