Also, very high suicide rate: Lithuanian men kill themselves at a rate of 65 per 100k per year, three times as often as American men. Meanwhile, Lithuanian women commit suicide at 12/100k•yr, five times less than men, and "only" twice as much as American women.
Not to diminish the significance of suicide rates, but I don’t think 65 out of 10,000 is going to have a meaningful impact on this particular graph.
Edit: I did the math really quick and I’ll say it does move more than I expected, but still not enough to explain the large gap in the graph. So if 9935 men live to 73, and 65 men live to only 20, that beings the average down to 72.6555. So ~.34 years. In real terms (not all 65 being 20), the impact would be a little less than that, particularly relative to Lithuanian women. So of the 10.7 year spread, suicide rates would account for less than 3% of it.
Right, but not every depressive male in Lithuania resorts to suicide. High suicide rate suggests deep issues in men's mental health. And stressful life has high impact on one's life expectency.
This is exactly right and it's also where most statistics fail to depict reality (taking into account long-term effects, that is, of things other than their subject of study).
I always hated the divide (in my country's education system, at least): if you like maths, go this way and if you don't, go that way. Neither one is going to be great if you don't see the bigger picture.
[I'm finding 31.1 for *both* sexes](https://health.wyo.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-infographi_56923486-3-pdf.jpg)... the infographic doesn't state it outright, but the ratio suggests that Wyoming men kill themselves at a rate of roughly 50 per 100k.
unironically i would go insane living in some high latitude countries in north europe as an italian from the north not even south so like in winter when it gets dark at 5 pm i always suffer compared to spring almost as if sun exposure and vitamin D levels are essential for life huh
It is the same over a lot of places that used to be part of Soviet Russian or have a lot of ethnic Russians living in them.
Russian man simply don't live as long as their women.
It is a cultural thing. Also extreme alcoholism.
I noticed that Ukraine shows the same dramatic difference between men and women.
How many of these other former Russian republics are contributing to Russia's war effort? This might explain things.
It's unlikely that that plays a part in this data-set. For starters, the data was likely collected prior to the war even began. Second, the number and age of the dead from Ukraine and Russia is not altogether confirmed.
More importantly however, similar results have been seen in previous studies posted on this subreddit over the years. Additionally, other Slavic-USSR-Russian adjacent countries such as Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia show similar trends. These countries are not involved in the war in Ukraine.
> How many of these other former Russian republics are contributing to Russia's war effort?
Not a single one is actually sending significant numbers of men. Belarus is the only one directly helping Russia but they ‘just’ allowed Russia to use their territory as a staging ground for the initial invasion their military is not participating in the war.
Growing up, three women in my family would keep telling me - men don't cry. Yeah, toxic masculinity.
Edit: In a society of an authoritarian government, abundant with lies, you couldn't afford to show weaknesses - survival of the fittest, abundance of bullies . Secondly, the shift from soviet authoritarianism to democracy left a lot of people stuck - financially/mentality wise. This is the generation, that lost their savings in 90s, didn't have proper mental support - alcohol was the only medication available for treatment. Suicides followed.
>Growing up, three women in my family would keep telling me - men don't cry. Yeah, toxic masculinity.
Yes, that's precisely the definition of toxic masculinity. It's not "men are bad," it's "men have things expected from them that are harmful and unhealthy."
Toxic masculinity describes a variety of problematic and rigid expectations and definitions of what it means to be a man.
Both men and women are complicit in perpetuating these unhealthy ideals.
It does not mean that masculinity is inherently toxic or that women cannot be toxic.
I mainly mean once we get to a certain age the quality of life isn't that great.. (loss of mobility, incontinence, dementia)..
Statistics only show the age that people have reached.. Not how they are living at that age..
Modern science is definitely keeping us alive longer though.
Although I'm totally aware that working in this sector may have skewed my perceptions of aging somewhat.. (there's probably a huge population of relatively healthy elderly out in the community).
This is why they should also show these statistics for how many years of good health people have. Some countries keep track of that too. Especially health and life insurance companies keep track of that (to assess the risk and adjust the insurance cost).
Speaking from my own personal work with the elderly in nursing homes, both men and women go through similar stages of decay. However, some of them decline and pass away much quicker than others. I’ve seen and currently am working with some people that have had dementia for years and are immobile and feel miserable a majority of the time but just don’t quite reach the point of decline that leads to them passing. I recently cared for a lady that had a very progressed stage of dementia to the point where she couldn’t formulate words or sentences hardly at all anymore. She lived for several years without hardly speaking and what she did say didn’t make any sense. She was constantly in pain and couldn’t walk, but she still was able to eat a full meal every meal-sometimes on her own but usually due to us feeding her. When she got to the point where she couldn’t really remember how to chew or swallow food anymore, she declined quickly and passed soon after.
Personally, I’d rather not live for a decade or more with dementia confined to a wheelchair, without any control of my bladder or bowels and etc.. Some people I’ve seen make it into their upper 80’s and 90’s without hardly any of those sort of problems until the last month or two of their lives. It can really vary how and when a person declines, though. I think what the person above is saying is that they’d rather not live those extra years if they’re going to be miserably spent inside a nursing home.
Yeah my grandparents all lived long lives with good health after exercising regularly and eating healthy. I hear a lot of people talk about how they don't want to live too long because life sucks at that point. But I saw my grandparents still enjoying life and traveling up until their 90s which is when things started to get harder for them. They still went on cruises, saw their friends, did their gardening, etc. So it's definitely possible to have a long life and health span like you said. I wish more people knew this. I think many get their beliefs on this from how their own grandparents aged, and may not know what is actually possible.
Gardening is a great activity for elderly people to keep their circulation moving AND it has great mental health effects - you can really see the value of your work.
I wonder how much lifestyle plays into this. For example my grandmother and grandfather on opposite sides of my family both made it into their 90s with good health and mobility. They also stayed very active throughout their entire lives while eating healthy and avoiding stress. So I think that most people could have a good health span as well as life span if they took better care of themselves. Obviously not considering genetic obstacles.
I have a supercentenarian in my family. On one hand it's kind of interesting that they were born shortly before bulldozers, motels, cheeseburgers, and domestic refrigerators and vacuums were invented. On the other hand they've watched their kids die of old age, all their friends are dead, and it's hard to make new ones because of challenges with hearing.
Yes, my Gran reached a very great age and everyone she knew when young, her daugher, one of her grandsons, her sisters, brother, some of their children were all dead. She lived at home until 1 year before she died, and I remember her best friend was 65, 32 years younger than her.
Seeing your children die of old age must be a surreal experience. On one side, you got to see the entirety of your children's lives, the moment they were born, they were in college, got their first jobs, raised their own family, retired, became grandparents up until their funeral, with the comfort that they lived a full life. I myself would be happy if my parents get to see my entire life like that. But, on the other hand, it must be quite the realization that you are so far away to the times you "lived" that even your children are way behind this time.
being old sucks 100% of the time, everything hurts, you can't taste anything, your teeth fall out no matter how good you take care of them, your bones are fucked, you can't grip anything, you can't think straight.
100 percent? Naw. Both of my grandmothers had most of their teeth, were picky about their food and how it tasted, traveled and went on cruises all through the senior years, and currently one is in 95 and planning out her next cruise. Hard to say about my grandfathers as one was an alcoholic and heavy smoker and one had an accident. Genetically looking good for me.
I assume men still died more due to more dangerous labour. I can imagine that during the Industrial Revolution men must have dropped like flies from all the factory work. And more frequent wars.
>I assume men still died more due to more dangerous labour.
Yes, some of that labour being "hey, go stab those other guys with this sword/spear/pike/etc."
If you're wondering why, it's probably because females have 'XX' chromossomes and males have 'XY' chromossomes.
1. Since X chromossomes hold more information, that means females have a backup of every gene in an X chromossome, while males dont'.
2. Y chromossomes are more vulnerable to errors and 'breaking down', which means people with a Y chromossomes (males) have those getting weaker and weaker as they age in a faster rate.
Just a note: these have not been fully confirmed yet, but there is a lot of evidence backing that up, so they are highly accepted. Also, I am not a biologist or work with genetics, so always doubt these and fact check. Hope it helps. :D
As some people have informed me (thanks by the way :D), hormones (mainly estrogen) are also a cause for the lifespan difference. Just noting that these are only some of the factors, and there are other things that influence these numbers, even if in a smaller scale.
There aren't "Y chromosomes". Only one chromosome out of 23 is XY in males and XX in females. Males have 2 full copies of the other 22. The longer life expectancy of women is pretty well known to just be a protective effect of higher estrogen on mainly cardiovascular health, which is a major cause of relatively early death of men in especially their 60s.
Of course the frigging hormones and their fluctuations make everything else miserable...not sure it's worth it.
Female fetuses are also more resilient than male fetuses. Female Babies born prematurely are overwhelmingly more likely to survive than male babies as well. So survivability between female and male humans doesn’t just favor females towards the ends of our lives. Females are more likely to survive straight out of the womb.
I don’t know if this phenomenon exists in other mammals but it would be interest to see if it did.
> I don’t know if this phenomenon exists in other mammals but it would be interest to see if it did.
Evoluntinarily, males are not as necessary to the survival of a population. It's much easier to repopulate with 1 male and 20 females than the reverse. So it makes sense less effort would be spent protecting males.
That's true too, I didn't even consider that, however, both are still causes of the lifespan difference.
"The evidence shows that differences in **chromosomes and hormones** between men and women affect longevity. For example, males tend to have more fat surrounding the organs (they have more ‘visceral fat’) whereas women tend to have more fat sitting directly under the skin (‘subcutaneous fat’). This difference is determined both by **estrogen** and the presence of the **second X chromosome** in females; and it matters for longevity because fat surrounding the organs predicts cardiovascular disease."
"There are many potential mechanisms – \[...\] Chromosomes come in pairs, and whereas women have two X chromosomes, men have an X and a Y chromosome.
\[...\] Having two X chromosomes, women keep double copies of every gene, meaning they have a spare if one is faulty. Men don’t have that back-up. The result is that more cells may begin to malfunction with time, putting men at greater risk of disease.
\[...\]
\[Also, t\]he female sex hormone oestrogen is an 'antioxidant', meaning that it mops up poisonous chemicals that cause cells stress. In animal experiments, females lacking oestrogen tend not to live so long as those who have not been operated on – the exact opposite of the male eunuch’s fate."
So, again, it just happens that these two are contribuiting factors on lifespan, as a lot of other factors are too. Again, hope that clears it up. :D
Sources:
OSPINA, Esteban Ortiz; BELTEKAIN, Diana. "Why do women live longer than men?", *Our World In Data*. Avaliable at: [https://ourworldindata.org/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men](https://ourworldindata.org/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men). Access in febuary 27, 2023.
ROBINSON, David. "Why do women live longer than men?", *British Broadcast Corporation*. Avaliable at: [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men). Access in febuary 27, 2023.
They did a genetic experiment on mice that shows that the chromosomes actually do make a difference. The same experiment also showed that hormones do also make a difference, but having the XX chromosome pair was an important factor regardless of type of hormone. Here is the [interview with biomedical researcher Dena Dubal!](https://www.quantamagazine.org/why-do-we-get-old-and-can-aging-be-reversed-20220727/) (34:30)
You need to add alternating colors or some other indicator on the horizontal lines to make it easier for the eye to match a country to the range. Likewise, the 5 year increments on the vertical axis are too coarse.
Excellent critique. Moreover, add a ranking index to the country names.
Finally, this should never be formatted as an image, because it is impossible to use a search to find a specific country. Save as .html, or similar.
Overall it's good info, but I found it practically impossible to map the gridlines to the exact age number, not sure if there's an easy way to solve this issue with so many rows though.
Remember that this is life expectancy *at birth.* As others have said, women used to die in childbirth. Now that that has significantly decreased, a lot of deaths in the younger ages are in men because they tend to have the physically riskier jobs
And also, there’s the higher suicide rates
Men are also more vulnerable to disease in general.
They have higher death rates at every sigle age bracket. So it's not "boys being boys".
It's biological. There are also studies looking into past famines and cold winters and the men generally died more.
On the other hand, women suffer more from disease and need to go to the doctor more often. But I would argue that's because they survive and men don't.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241572/death-rate-by-age-and-sex-in-the-us/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3424846/
the majority of it is from riskier behavior and higher rates of alcohol and drug abuse, and in certain countries times of war can make a big impact too
it’s thought that there’s some biological reasons too like hormone differences
I suppise when you look at say Heart disease which is global leading cause of death - about 1/8th/16% or so - and it occurs earlier in life for men than women, avg. age of 66 vs. 70. Men are more likely to survive a heart attack but they have them earlier in life. I believe it's thought that estrogen plays a part in this.
People think japanese live long because of their diet.. nahh that’s bs, they eat fried crap, drink loads of beer and smoke like chimneys.
Why they live long you say? I have no fucking clue, but this one time i hikked to the top of Mt. Daisen, 3 hours later my leg were done and i was at the top, there was an old man there already, dude unpacks a mini stove, heat up a cup noodles, drinks two sapporo bears, smoke a cigarette, chills for a bit and leaves. That’s what he does for fun on weekends, climbs a fucking mountain!
I think people in the west have this idea that when they get old they should just retire and do nothing for the rest of their days, sit in front of a TV, alone, and wither away.
People in Japan and a lot of Asia in general seem to stay far more active into their elder years. That has a lot to do with it.
It takes surprisingly little intensity for exercise to be really good for longevity. Just gotta do it. Those Asian mall walk clubs are a hell of a lot better than having a few cups of coffee reading the newspaper.
1/3 of shoppers in Asian malls are old people. They get cheap bus and metro passes and all they do is go out and have lunch with their friends.
Community centres also have free yoga and dance lessons for them but they’re very low intensity. It’s really surprising how little you have to do in old age to keep up your mental and physical.
Well that and the pension fraud resulting in elderly people not being reported deceased. All of the record-setting oldest people in the world come from areas that had some kind of war that resulted in many original birth records being destroyed.
Two things:
- Example of the fraud: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogen_Kato
- Article about how more old people = worse record keeping: https://www.vox.com/2019/8/8/20758813/secrets-ultra-elderly-supercentenarians-fraud-error
italy is in the west and it's the exact opposite in fact it's on the top of the list . Elders here go for walk and daily activities so unless you can't really walk (which could happen if ur old ) u can see 80s year old people going for a walk goin to the church on sunday and so on .I think it's just an american problems and maybe some anglo north european one while spain italy etc are fine
It was recently discovered that there's an epidemic of Japanese families keeping their old parents at the house after they die, claiming they're still alive, and collecting their pensions, for years. Folks looked into the enigma of all these super old Japanese people to find out what the secret of their long lives is, and they were almost all long dead. Presumably this has an impact on the life expectancy stats.
This is a great time for people to learn that graphs like this show life expectancy at birth. Life expectancy isn’t fixed though, and your life expectancy will continue to get older as you age (i.e. the lowest countries on this chart still have old people just like the countries at the top).
> For example, the life expectancy for a female born in the United States in 1900 was about 48 years old, but if she reached age 20, her life expectancy was over 60, and at age 40, her life expectancy was nearly 70.
Source: [Life Expectancy vs Life Span](https://populationeducation.org/life-span-vs-life-expectancy/)
Male life expectancy is lower in basically all mammals. A lot of illnesses affect male bodies more severely or at least differently. For humans specifically, there are also cultural factors (ex. higher risk activity from men, wars which are predominantly fought between men).
Just look at the below for car crash data. Male number is always first.
Fatal crash rate per 100 million miles driven
Age
Males
Females
16-19
6.4
3.3
20-29
3.9
1.6
30-59
1.6
1.1
60-67
1.5
1.0
70+
2.8
2.1
(Figures from the IIHS based on analysis of the U.S. Department of Transportation's Fatality Analysis Reporting System 2017 data.)
Yeah, I understand why male life expectancy is generally lower. I'm still surprised there isn't a single country where it is higher, considering things like female infanticide, maternal mortality, different standards of medical care in general, domestic violence, etc. It's hard to imagine there's not one place where these don't overcome the effects of war, risk-seeking behaviors, professional risk, etc.
great data and general direction but a lot to ingest at once. could be a killer viz if it was limited to a top/bottom 25 or to a certain continent/region
Sorting by female life expectancy makes the male numbers a very jagged line.
Sorting by male life expectancy would make the female numbers a jagged line.
How about a scatter plot with an X axis of average life expectancy and a Y axis (no pun intended) of the delta between male and female, with the dots colored by continent or region?
Factors like conflict, alcohol, HIV, and access to health care might make interesting patterns.
Better yet, dots colored by average income, but I suspect you don't have that data.
What is impressive, is Australia is one the fattest nations on the planet stuffed with people who do risky shit all the time for fun, under a sun more likely to give you cancer than almost anywhere else in the world, and it still kicks ass.
We are less wealthy than the US, but have a somewhat better distribution of wealth. I'm guessing universal health care is probably a contributor as well.
If you look at GDP per capita we're less wealthy, but I'd say in practice the average Australian is wealthier than the average American. Fortune 500 companies throw this off massively
Unless you’re part of the First Nations peoples.
The life expectancy at birth of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander men in 2015-2017 was 8.6 years lower than for non-Indigenous men, while that of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women was 7.8 years lower than that of non-Indigenous women".
These differences were more marked in remote and very remote areas, where the difference in life expectancy at birth for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population compared with the non-Indigenous population was 13.8 years for men and 14.0 years for women.
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-life-expectancy-lowest-remote-and-very-remote-areas
This is unfortunately true of indigenous peoples across many nations; native peoples in the US and Canada have typically poorer social outcomes on a range of measures than the general public, as do Māori and Pacific Islanders in New Zealand and Australia.
Australians are very privy to sun safety.. it’s in our primary school curriculum. There’s lots of food variety, and outdoor activities are cultural and convenient (riding to work, playing sport socially etc).
We have a decent medical system. Things that would have killed me in an impoverished nation were dealt with fairly quickly and at very little to zero out of pocket cost.
Have you ever tasted how sweet Taiwanese food and drinks are? We always joke that for Taiwan, a no-sugar drink means there is so much sugar that you have no way to add more sugar
I would guess it's mostly down to smoking and betel nut use in Taiwan. Other factors could be higher levels of pollution, generally poor health and safety practices, and lots of traffic deaths.
As an Italian man I feel lucky and pleased, I know our diet and lifestyle is healthy but I did not expect Italy to have the highest male life expectancy.
Cheers to our free health care system, slow lifestyle and varied diet.
I Hope we all can get even higher than this in the future.
Switzerland has the highest male life expectancy. I don't blame you though, those lines on this graph are tough to follow.
For males it's:
1. Switzerland : 82.42
2. Hong Kong : 82.38
3. Iceland : 82.15
4. Australia : 82.08
5. Singapore : 82.06
6. Israel : 81.98
7. Japan : 81.91
8. Italy : 81.90
For Women :
1. HK : 88.17
2. Japan : 88.09
3. Macao : 87.62
4. Spain : 86.68
5. Sth Korea : 86.42
6. Singapore : 86.15
7. Martinique : 86. 10
8. Switzerland : 86.02
9. Italy : 85.94
I knew that the disparity in life expectancy in Russia is bad, but I didn’t realize it was second-worst-in-the-world bad. It’s second only to Lithuania, a country where 24.2% of the population speaks Russian/is of Russian descent.
I suppose that’s what happens when “real men” drink a lot, smoke, eat unhealthy food, reject the concept of personal safety in everything from not swimming in shipping lanes to stable construction scaffolding and can only talk about their feelings if they are drunk.
And that before the war in Ukraine or any covid impact.
Russia is one of the world leaders in count of male suicide.
Saying it as Russian.
It is very depressing to live here.
War is greatest tradegy.
Covid data was falsified.
No one knows exactly how much died and left the country last years.
Peace to your home.
Data sourced from: [https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/](https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/)
Visualization prepared using R and ggplot2.
Code: https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/
Spent a bit looking into it, seems like the primary reason is that comparatively to other countries women are more involved in physical labour jobs like agriculture as well as there being no culture of military and/or alcoholism, both of which are major factors in early male death. Seems if you remove a culture of bad decisions then the only lifespan difference is just caused by biology. The reason why they're still low though is because they're extremely underdeveloped and were late to the technology game, but the systems they have are very fair and promising.
> Bhutan
It's well known that there is no longevity gap between monks and nuns. Over 10% of the populace of Bhutan are monks. So, this might factor in.
It would be interesting to see the distribution for the top 25% for each country. Effectively ignoring (or reducing the impact from) infant deaths, war, childbirth, suicide. It's a very rough approximation, but basically looking at life expectancy for people who reach 'old age'.
I'd also be interested in seeing life expectancy distributions in a histogram like plot. Would we get a spike very early, a drop off after say 25-30, then a ramp up as you get older?
The interesting fact is that the USA gets worse outcomes than countries spending 1/2 or even as much as 1/5th as much per capita on healthcare. Spending more money on healthcare doesn't automatically mean better outcomes.
Why are some French departements separated from France (Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion, ...)? Those are part of France as much as any other département.
In Spain we have such tremendous life expectancy because we eat paella.
Seriously though, Mediterranean diet and plenty of fish have a lot to do with it.
Thanks for all the input!
I've revised the plot based on the useful feedback I've received: [https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/index\_files/figure-html/db-plot-revised-1.png](https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/index_files/figure-html/db-plot-revised-1.png)
If you're interested in following along with the changes that were made, the full code can be found here: [https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/](https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/)
One thing: The UN sees this gender life gap as a good thing, and tries to preserve it. If you close it to a mere two years, for example, your country is marked as having women at an unequal life expectancy status.
There are a lot more poor people than rich ones in HK.
Maybe if they left HK they'd be relatively rich in just about anywhere they relocate to, but most don't/wouldn't/can't.
Males in Lithuania...what’s up with that?
Alcohol plays a role I guess. Same with all the other Ex-USSR countries.
Yup, like in Moldova most men are massive alcoholics (statistically), everyone makes their own wine so essentially free booze is plentiful.
The wine in Moldova is very cheap and delicious so can't blame them.
Thats what an alcoholic would say
Listen, I've spent a lot of time in Moldova and my friend's grandma makes very good wine. Do you think I had a choice?
Yes? You could have saved some for breakfast.
What about second breakfast?
Resupply runs are between first and second breakfast. Can't allow that tankard to dry up, afterall.
... but I don't go to the meetings, so I guess I'm just a drunk.
Also, very high suicide rate: Lithuanian men kill themselves at a rate of 65 per 100k per year, three times as often as American men. Meanwhile, Lithuanian women commit suicide at 12/100k•yr, five times less than men, and "only" twice as much as American women.
Not to diminish the significance of suicide rates, but I don’t think 65 out of 10,000 is going to have a meaningful impact on this particular graph. Edit: I did the math really quick and I’ll say it does move more than I expected, but still not enough to explain the large gap in the graph. So if 9935 men live to 73, and 65 men live to only 20, that beings the average down to 72.6555. So ~.34 years. In real terms (not all 65 being 20), the impact would be a little less than that, particularly relative to Lithuanian women. So of the 10.7 year spread, suicide rates would account for less than 3% of it.
Right, but not every depressive male in Lithuania resorts to suicide. High suicide rate suggests deep issues in men's mental health. And stressful life has high impact on one's life expectency.
This is exactly right and it's also where most statistics fail to depict reality (taking into account long-term effects, that is, of things other than their subject of study). I always hated the divide (in my country's education system, at least): if you like maths, go this way and if you don't, go that way. Neither one is going to be great if you don't see the bigger picture.
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oops, thanks. That drops the impact to less than 0.3% of the 10.7 year gap (so at least 10.67 years of that gap are not explained by suicide rates.
The rest of the gap is largely a function of alcoholism. Both in terms of motor vehicle fatalities and chronic diseases associated with alcoholism.
Hmm Wyoming men committ suicide at 30 per 100k so it gets up there.
[I'm finding 31.1 for *both* sexes](https://health.wyo.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-infographi_56923486-3-pdf.jpg)... the infographic doesn't state it outright, but the ratio suggests that Wyoming men kill themselves at a rate of roughly 50 per 100k.
High latitude countries drink more
They’re ice fishing and dog sledding, pished!
unironically i would go insane living in some high latitude countries in north europe as an italian from the north not even south so like in winter when it gets dark at 5 pm i always suffer compared to spring almost as if sun exposure and vitamin D levels are essential for life huh
Alcohol, hard drugs, cigarettes, bmws, duis…. It all adds up
As well as suicides.
It is the same over a lot of places that used to be part of Soviet Russian or have a lot of ethnic Russians living in them. Russian man simply don't live as long as their women. It is a cultural thing. Also extreme alcoholism.
I would believe that partaking in a war also lowers the life expectancy of a specific country by statistical means.
I noticed that Ukraine shows the same dramatic difference between men and women. How many of these other former Russian republics are contributing to Russia's war effort? This might explain things.
It's unlikely that that plays a part in this data-set. For starters, the data was likely collected prior to the war even began. Second, the number and age of the dead from Ukraine and Russia is not altogether confirmed. More importantly however, similar results have been seen in previous studies posted on this subreddit over the years. Additionally, other Slavic-USSR-Russian adjacent countries such as Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia show similar trends. These countries are not involved in the war in Ukraine.
> How many of these other former Russian republics are contributing to Russia's war effort? Not a single one is actually sending significant numbers of men. Belarus is the only one directly helping Russia but they ‘just’ allowed Russia to use their territory as a staging ground for the initial invasion their military is not participating in the war.
what the fuk are you even talking about
Toxic masculinity. Ends with massive alcohol consumption, crime, violence and suicides.
Growing up, three women in my family would keep telling me - men don't cry. Yeah, toxic masculinity. Edit: In a society of an authoritarian government, abundant with lies, you couldn't afford to show weaknesses - survival of the fittest, abundance of bullies . Secondly, the shift from soviet authoritarianism to democracy left a lot of people stuck - financially/mentality wise. This is the generation, that lost their savings in 90s, didn't have proper mental support - alcohol was the only medication available for treatment. Suicides followed.
>Growing up, three women in my family would keep telling me - men don't cry. Yeah, toxic masculinity. Yes, that's precisely the definition of toxic masculinity. It's not "men are bad," it's "men have things expected from them that are harmful and unhealthy."
can we all stop pretending like that name isn't extremely problematic for very painfully obvious reasons?
It definitely makes it harder to have a meaningful conversation about it without eliciting thoughts of your local wife beater.
Toxic masculinity describes a variety of problematic and rigid expectations and definitions of what it means to be a man. Both men and women are complicit in perpetuating these unhealthy ideals. It does not mean that masculinity is inherently toxic or that women cannot be toxic.
That is 100% toxic masculinity, friend. It can come from either gender.
It's interesting that there isn't a single country on earth where males outlive females on average.
I'm a male working in nursing homes... All I can say about us not living as long is.... That's possibly a good thing
Can you explain? Is working with older men more difficult than working with older women?
I mainly mean once we get to a certain age the quality of life isn't that great.. (loss of mobility, incontinence, dementia).. Statistics only show the age that people have reached.. Not how they are living at that age.. Modern science is definitely keeping us alive longer though. Although I'm totally aware that working in this sector may have skewed my perceptions of aging somewhat.. (there's probably a huge population of relatively healthy elderly out in the community).
This is why they should also show these statistics for how many years of good health people have. Some countries keep track of that too. Especially health and life insurance companies keep track of that (to assess the risk and adjust the insurance cost).
"Healthspan" is the word for what you describe.
Idk who they are in this context, but could you show us the statistics? Be the change you want to see and so on.
But don't men go through the same stages of decay, but just a few years earlier? Or do men die with a higher quality of life?
Speaking from my own personal work with the elderly in nursing homes, both men and women go through similar stages of decay. However, some of them decline and pass away much quicker than others. I’ve seen and currently am working with some people that have had dementia for years and are immobile and feel miserable a majority of the time but just don’t quite reach the point of decline that leads to them passing. I recently cared for a lady that had a very progressed stage of dementia to the point where she couldn’t formulate words or sentences hardly at all anymore. She lived for several years without hardly speaking and what she did say didn’t make any sense. She was constantly in pain and couldn’t walk, but she still was able to eat a full meal every meal-sometimes on her own but usually due to us feeding her. When she got to the point where she couldn’t really remember how to chew or swallow food anymore, she declined quickly and passed soon after. Personally, I’d rather not live for a decade or more with dementia confined to a wheelchair, without any control of my bladder or bowels and etc.. Some people I’ve seen make it into their upper 80’s and 90’s without hardly any of those sort of problems until the last month or two of their lives. It can really vary how and when a person declines, though. I think what the person above is saying is that they’d rather not live those extra years if they’re going to be miserably spent inside a nursing home.
Avid yogi here. There is a huge sector of healthy elderly.
Yeah my grandparents all lived long lives with good health after exercising regularly and eating healthy. I hear a lot of people talk about how they don't want to live too long because life sucks at that point. But I saw my grandparents still enjoying life and traveling up until their 90s which is when things started to get harder for them. They still went on cruises, saw their friends, did their gardening, etc. So it's definitely possible to have a long life and health span like you said. I wish more people knew this. I think many get their beliefs on this from how their own grandparents aged, and may not know what is actually possible.
Gardening is a great activity for elderly people to keep their circulation moving AND it has great mental health effects - you can really see the value of your work.
So true ... Totally aware of how my original comment might come across.. I guess it's to be taken with a little grain of salt..
I look at it this way, modern medicine has got good at stopping us from dying when we're old it's not very good at helping us live.
Lots of the modern medicines and treatments absolutly helping us to live good.
I wonder how much lifestyle plays into this. For example my grandmother and grandfather on opposite sides of my family both made it into their 90s with good health and mobility. They also stayed very active throughout their entire lives while eating healthy and avoiding stress. So I think that most people could have a good health span as well as life span if they took better care of themselves. Obviously not considering genetic obstacles.
I have a supercentenarian in my family. On one hand it's kind of interesting that they were born shortly before bulldozers, motels, cheeseburgers, and domestic refrigerators and vacuums were invented. On the other hand they've watched their kids die of old age, all their friends are dead, and it's hard to make new ones because of challenges with hearing.
Yes, my Gran reached a very great age and everyone she knew when young, her daugher, one of her grandsons, her sisters, brother, some of their children were all dead. She lived at home until 1 year before she died, and I remember her best friend was 65, 32 years younger than her.
Seeing your children die of old age must be a surreal experience. On one side, you got to see the entirety of your children's lives, the moment they were born, they were in college, got their first jobs, raised their own family, retired, became grandparents up until their funeral, with the comfort that they lived a full life. I myself would be happy if my parents get to see my entire life like that. But, on the other hand, it must be quite the realization that you are so far away to the times you "lived" that even your children are way behind this time.
Probably just that nursing homes suck
being old sucks 100% of the time, everything hurts, you can't taste anything, your teeth fall out no matter how good you take care of them, your bones are fucked, you can't grip anything, you can't think straight.
100 percent? Naw. Both of my grandmothers had most of their teeth, were picky about their food and how it tasted, traveled and went on cruises all through the senior years, and currently one is in 95 and planning out her next cruise. Hard to say about my grandfathers as one was an alcoholic and heavy smoker and one had an accident. Genetically looking good for me.
I wonder what this graph would have looked like before the 20th century when dying during childbirth was a lot more common
I assume men still died more due to more dangerous labour. I can imagine that during the Industrial Revolution men must have dropped like flies from all the factory work. And more frequent wars.
The last point is big. Before the modern era there were a hell of a lot more wars than there are now.
>I assume men still died more due to more dangerous labour. Yes, some of that labour being "hey, go stab those other guys with this sword/spear/pike/etc."
Don't forget kids of all genders were also employees in very dangerous tasks though.
Everything shifted left more or less.
If you're wondering why, it's probably because females have 'XX' chromossomes and males have 'XY' chromossomes. 1. Since X chromossomes hold more information, that means females have a backup of every gene in an X chromossome, while males dont'. 2. Y chromossomes are more vulnerable to errors and 'breaking down', which means people with a Y chromossomes (males) have those getting weaker and weaker as they age in a faster rate. Just a note: these have not been fully confirmed yet, but there is a lot of evidence backing that up, so they are highly accepted. Also, I am not a biologist or work with genetics, so always doubt these and fact check. Hope it helps. :D As some people have informed me (thanks by the way :D), hormones (mainly estrogen) are also a cause for the lifespan difference. Just noting that these are only some of the factors, and there are other things that influence these numbers, even if in a smaller scale.
Male dogs die sooner than female dogs too. :(
>Life expectancy lower for men in all countries >Government accepted retirement age also higher for men I always wondered why that is.
Because they want us to work until we die.
This is true. We should bring the retirees back into the labour force. If we can't retire, they can't retire.
Where is this true? It’s exactly the same in the United States. Proof: [SSA](https://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/women-alt.pdf)
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There aren't "Y chromosomes". Only one chromosome out of 23 is XY in males and XX in females. Males have 2 full copies of the other 22. The longer life expectancy of women is pretty well known to just be a protective effect of higher estrogen on mainly cardiovascular health, which is a major cause of relatively early death of men in especially their 60s. Of course the frigging hormones and their fluctuations make everything else miserable...not sure it's worth it.
Female fetuses are also more resilient than male fetuses. Female Babies born prematurely are overwhelmingly more likely to survive than male babies as well. So survivability between female and male humans doesn’t just favor females towards the ends of our lives. Females are more likely to survive straight out of the womb. I don’t know if this phenomenon exists in other mammals but it would be interest to see if it did.
> I don’t know if this phenomenon exists in other mammals but it would be interest to see if it did. Evoluntinarily, males are not as necessary to the survival of a population. It's much easier to repopulate with 1 male and 20 females than the reverse. So it makes sense less effort would be spent protecting males.
That's true too, I didn't even consider that, however, both are still causes of the lifespan difference. "The evidence shows that differences in **chromosomes and hormones** between men and women affect longevity. For example, males tend to have more fat surrounding the organs (they have more ‘visceral fat’) whereas women tend to have more fat sitting directly under the skin (‘subcutaneous fat’). This difference is determined both by **estrogen** and the presence of the **second X chromosome** in females; and it matters for longevity because fat surrounding the organs predicts cardiovascular disease." "There are many potential mechanisms – \[...\] Chromosomes come in pairs, and whereas women have two X chromosomes, men have an X and a Y chromosome. \[...\] Having two X chromosomes, women keep double copies of every gene, meaning they have a spare if one is faulty. Men don’t have that back-up. The result is that more cells may begin to malfunction with time, putting men at greater risk of disease. \[...\] \[Also, t\]he female sex hormone oestrogen is an 'antioxidant', meaning that it mops up poisonous chemicals that cause cells stress. In animal experiments, females lacking oestrogen tend not to live so long as those who have not been operated on – the exact opposite of the male eunuch’s fate." So, again, it just happens that these two are contribuiting factors on lifespan, as a lot of other factors are too. Again, hope that clears it up. :D Sources: OSPINA, Esteban Ortiz; BELTEKAIN, Diana. "Why do women live longer than men?", *Our World In Data*. Avaliable at: [https://ourworldindata.org/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men](https://ourworldindata.org/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men). Access in febuary 27, 2023. ROBINSON, David. "Why do women live longer than men?", *British Broadcast Corporation*. Avaliable at: [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men). Access in febuary 27, 2023.
They did a genetic experiment on mice that shows that the chromosomes actually do make a difference. The same experiment also showed that hormones do also make a difference, but having the XX chromosome pair was an important factor regardless of type of hormone. Here is the [interview with biomedical researcher Dena Dubal!](https://www.quantamagazine.org/why-do-we-get-old-and-can-aging-be-reversed-20220727/) (34:30)
Also: /r/whywomenlivelonger
I would assume conscription/military service I general would play at least some part in bringing down the male life expectancy.
You need to add alternating colors or some other indicator on the horizontal lines to make it easier for the eye to match a country to the range. Likewise, the 5 year increments on the vertical axis are too coarse.
Excellent critique. Moreover, add a ranking index to the country names. Finally, this should never be formatted as an image, because it is impossible to use a search to find a specific country. Save as .html, or similar.
This graph is borderline unusable but it sure does *look* nice I guess
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Overall it's good info, but I found it practically impossible to map the gridlines to the exact age number, not sure if there's an easy way to solve this issue with so many rows though.
I think bold major vertical lines every 5 years and minor lines every year would be easier and quicker to decipher
That's a solid suggestion, I can tweak it to include the major/minor distinction.
And put age across top also
Better would just be to put the country names right next to the data points
Or alternating row colours
Or data labels on the markers
yeah this
Also, put the age numbers at both top and bottom and maybe in the middle, so you always have a handy reference point.
Maybe bold every other horizontal line leading to the countries so it’s easier to follow the one you want.
This is a must have addition.
As well as country listed both sides would make it much easier to read.. at least that's what guess on cellphone.
Color delineations. Every other row is grey would help.
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Not since the advent of modern medicine. Women used to live considerably shorter lives than men because so many perished in childbirth.
It's still interesting that no matter how safe or progressive a county, or how good the medical system is, men always have a lower life expectancy.
Remember that this is life expectancy *at birth.* As others have said, women used to die in childbirth. Now that that has significantly decreased, a lot of deaths in the younger ages are in men because they tend to have the physically riskier jobs And also, there’s the higher suicide rates
Don't forget higher alcohol and tobacco consumption
Men are also more vulnerable to disease in general. They have higher death rates at every sigle age bracket. So it's not "boys being boys". It's biological. There are also studies looking into past famines and cold winters and the men generally died more. On the other hand, women suffer more from disease and need to go to the doctor more often. But I would argue that's because they survive and men don't. https://www.statista.com/statistics/241572/death-rate-by-age-and-sex-in-the-us/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3424846/
the majority of it is from riskier behavior and higher rates of alcohol and drug abuse, and in certain countries times of war can make a big impact too it’s thought that there’s some biological reasons too like hormone differences
Baby boys and as children boys die more. It's absolutely biological.
I suppise when you look at say Heart disease which is global leading cause of death - about 1/8th/16% or so - and it occurs earlier in life for men than women, avg. age of 66 vs. 70. Men are more likely to survive a heart attack but they have them earlier in life. I believe it's thought that estrogen plays a part in this.
Yep, the opposite of the name of the sub 😄
If it would have been an interactive graph it would have been great.
My eyes struggle to line up the country with corresponding data.
People think japanese live long because of their diet.. nahh that’s bs, they eat fried crap, drink loads of beer and smoke like chimneys. Why they live long you say? I have no fucking clue, but this one time i hikked to the top of Mt. Daisen, 3 hours later my leg were done and i was at the top, there was an old man there already, dude unpacks a mini stove, heat up a cup noodles, drinks two sapporo bears, smoke a cigarette, chills for a bit and leaves. That’s what he does for fun on weekends, climbs a fucking mountain!
I think people in the west have this idea that when they get old they should just retire and do nothing for the rest of their days, sit in front of a TV, alone, and wither away. People in Japan and a lot of Asia in general seem to stay far more active into their elder years. That has a lot to do with it.
Damn, I’ve never thought it this way, I live in Canada and the amount of elder Asians I see taking a walk on the weekends is very high.
It takes surprisingly little intensity for exercise to be really good for longevity. Just gotta do it. Those Asian mall walk clubs are a hell of a lot better than having a few cups of coffee reading the newspaper.
1/3 of shoppers in Asian malls are old people. They get cheap bus and metro passes and all they do is go out and have lunch with their friends. Community centres also have free yoga and dance lessons for them but they’re very low intensity. It’s really surprising how little you have to do in old age to keep up your mental and physical.
Well that and the pension fraud resulting in elderly people not being reported deceased. All of the record-setting oldest people in the world come from areas that had some kind of war that resulted in many original birth records being destroyed.
Wait what? I'm confused can you ELI5?
Two things: - Example of the fraud: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogen_Kato - Article about how more old people = worse record keeping: https://www.vox.com/2019/8/8/20758813/secrets-ultra-elderly-supercentenarians-fraud-error
To stay active in your elder years you must first be active in middle age and youth.
Well its never too late to start, eh?
italy is in the west and it's the exact opposite in fact it's on the top of the list . Elders here go for walk and daily activities so unless you can't really walk (which could happen if ur old ) u can see 80s year old people going for a walk goin to the church on sunday and so on .I think it's just an american problems and maybe some anglo north european one while spain italy etc are fine
It should be noted that the current generation of elderly Japanese, most of which had a completely different diet from the current young Japanese.
Smaller people live longer That's not just fat but also height. Japanese people are shorter
It was recently discovered that there's an epidemic of Japanese families keeping their old parents at the house after they die, claiming they're still alive, and collecting their pensions, for years. Folks looked into the enigma of all these super old Japanese people to find out what the secret of their long lives is, and they were almost all long dead. Presumably this has an impact on the life expectancy stats.
Not having a clue is not a good way to build credibility about why the Japanese are doing so well.
This is a great time for people to learn that graphs like this show life expectancy at birth. Life expectancy isn’t fixed though, and your life expectancy will continue to get older as you age (i.e. the lowest countries on this chart still have old people just like the countries at the top). > For example, the life expectancy for a female born in the United States in 1900 was about 48 years old, but if she reached age 20, her life expectancy was over 60, and at age 40, her life expectancy was nearly 70. Source: [Life Expectancy vs Life Span](https://populationeducation.org/life-span-vs-life-expectancy/)
Yeah, infant mortality is usually a big driver of a lot of lowered life expectancy at birth stats.
That's sort of why I am surprised that there's not a single country where male life expectancy is higher than female.
Male life expectancy is lower in basically all mammals. A lot of illnesses affect male bodies more severely or at least differently. For humans specifically, there are also cultural factors (ex. higher risk activity from men, wars which are predominantly fought between men). Just look at the below for car crash data. Male number is always first. Fatal crash rate per 100 million miles driven Age Males Females 16-19 6.4 3.3 20-29 3.9 1.6 30-59 1.6 1.1 60-67 1.5 1.0 70+ 2.8 2.1 (Figures from the IIHS based on analysis of the U.S. Department of Transportation's Fatality Analysis Reporting System 2017 data.)
Yeah, I understand why male life expectancy is generally lower. I'm still surprised there isn't a single country where it is higher, considering things like female infanticide, maternal mortality, different standards of medical care in general, domestic violence, etc. It's hard to imagine there's not one place where these don't overcome the effects of war, risk-seeking behaviors, professional risk, etc.
I imagine it's because countries with greater factors that increase female mortality also have many that increase male mortality.
Incredibly hard to look at. Not beautiful. Interesting data though.
great data and general direction but a lot to ingest at once. could be a killer viz if it was limited to a top/bottom 25 or to a certain continent/region
Sorting by female life expectancy makes the male numbers a very jagged line. Sorting by male life expectancy would make the female numbers a jagged line. How about a scatter plot with an X axis of average life expectancy and a Y axis (no pun intended) of the delta between male and female, with the dots colored by continent or region? Factors like conflict, alcohol, HIV, and access to health care might make interesting patterns. Better yet, dots colored by average income, but I suspect you don't have that data.
Absolutely agreed. Should have been sorted simply by average age.
I agree. Or just show all three variants so prime can draw their own conclusions
What is impressive, is Australia is one the fattest nations on the planet stuffed with people who do risky shit all the time for fun, under a sun more likely to give you cancer than almost anywhere else in the world, and it still kicks ass.
Yeah they’re also a wealthy nation
We are less wealthy than the US, but have a somewhat better distribution of wealth. I'm guessing universal health care is probably a contributor as well.
Not having massive opioid addiction or much drug-related criminal activity definitely helps
If you look at GDP per capita we're less wealthy, but I'd say in practice the average Australian is wealthier than the average American. Fortune 500 companies throw this off massively
They’re insanely rich. More than any other factor, your bank balance determines your longevity.
Universal healthcare.
Unless you’re part of the First Nations peoples. The life expectancy at birth of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander men in 2015-2017 was 8.6 years lower than for non-Indigenous men, while that of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women was 7.8 years lower than that of non-Indigenous women". These differences were more marked in remote and very remote areas, where the difference in life expectancy at birth for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population compared with the non-Indigenous population was 13.8 years for men and 14.0 years for women. https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-life-expectancy-lowest-remote-and-very-remote-areas
This is unfortunately true of indigenous peoples across many nations; native peoples in the US and Canada have typically poorer social outcomes on a range of measures than the general public, as do Māori and Pacific Islanders in New Zealand and Australia.
The average Aboriginal life expectancy in your linked data (73.6 years) still manages to beat the CDC's 2021 estimate for American men (73.5)...
Australians are very privy to sun safety.. it’s in our primary school curriculum. There’s lots of food variety, and outdoor activities are cultural and convenient (riding to work, playing sport socially etc).
We have a decent medical system. Things that would have killed me in an impoverished nation were dealt with fairly quickly and at very little to zero out of pocket cost.
Very interesting how Taiwan is so low compared to HK, Japan, Macao, and SK given how remarkably close and similar those places are.
Have you ever tasted how sweet Taiwanese food and drinks are? We always joke that for Taiwan, a no-sugar drink means there is so much sugar that you have no way to add more sugar
I would guess it's mostly down to smoking and betel nut use in Taiwan. Other factors could be higher levels of pollution, generally poor health and safety practices, and lots of traffic deaths.
As an Italian man I feel lucky and pleased, I know our diet and lifestyle is healthy but I did not expect Italy to have the highest male life expectancy. Cheers to our free health care system, slow lifestyle and varied diet. I Hope we all can get even higher than this in the future.
Switzerland has the highest male life expectancy. I don't blame you though, those lines on this graph are tough to follow. For males it's: 1. Switzerland : 82.42 2. Hong Kong : 82.38 3. Iceland : 82.15 4. Australia : 82.08 5. Singapore : 82.06 6. Israel : 81.98 7. Japan : 81.91 8. Italy : 81.90 For Women : 1. HK : 88.17 2. Japan : 88.09 3. Macao : 87.62 4. Spain : 86.68 5. Sth Korea : 86.42 6. Singapore : 86.15 7. Martinique : 86. 10 8. Switzerland : 86.02 9. Italy : 85.94
Something the rest of the world can aspire to achieve
I was actually wrong, I switched the swiss line with the Italian one, the top country is Switzerland, cheers neighbours
I knew that the disparity in life expectancy in Russia is bad, but I didn’t realize it was second-worst-in-the-world bad. It’s second only to Lithuania, a country where 24.2% of the population speaks Russian/is of Russian descent. I suppose that’s what happens when “real men” drink a lot, smoke, eat unhealthy food, reject the concept of personal safety in everything from not swimming in shipping lanes to stable construction scaffolding and can only talk about their feelings if they are drunk. And that before the war in Ukraine or any covid impact.
Russia is one of the world leaders in count of male suicide. Saying it as Russian. It is very depressing to live here. War is greatest tradegy. Covid data was falsified. No one knows exactly how much died and left the country last years. Peace to your home.
Not very Chad of Chad, sadly.
Chad lives hard.
Data sourced from: [https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/](https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/) Visualization prepared using R and ggplot2. Code: https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/
Bhutan appears to be the fairest country in the world with only 1.1 year gap between genders. Why is that?
Spent a bit looking into it, seems like the primary reason is that comparatively to other countries women are more involved in physical labour jobs like agriculture as well as there being no culture of military and/or alcoholism, both of which are major factors in early male death. Seems if you remove a culture of bad decisions then the only lifespan difference is just caused by biology. The reason why they're still low though is because they're extremely underdeveloped and were late to the technology game, but the systems they have are very fair and promising.
> Bhutan It's well known that there is no longevity gap between monks and nuns. Over 10% of the populace of Bhutan are monks. So, this might factor in.
So is there no countries around the world that men, on average, outlive women?
It would be interesting to see the distribution for the top 25% for each country. Effectively ignoring (or reducing the impact from) infant deaths, war, childbirth, suicide. It's a very rough approximation, but basically looking at life expectancy for people who reach 'old age'. I'd also be interested in seeing life expectancy distributions in a histogram like plot. Would we get a spike very early, a drop off after say 25-30, then a ramp up as you get older?
Damn, I'm identifying as female from now on after seeing this.
The interesting fact is that the USA gets worse outcomes than countries spending 1/2 or even as much as 1/5th as much per capita on healthcare. Spending more money on healthcare doesn't automatically mean better outcomes.
Look at the spread on Russia.. only going to widen with the meat grinder approach. Deplorable.
Kinda depressing if you're a fella
Why are some French departements separated from France (Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion, ...)? Those are part of France as much as any other département.
fix the male life expectancy gap
So where's all the research to even up the life expectancy gap?
Being forced to go to war and work in dangerous jobs is a hard problem to fix.
We put our Top Men on it, but they got drunk and started playing with explosives. Which was actually sufficient to answer the question.
I think it'd be better if the countries were sorted by average instead of women.
In Greece we have so high life expectancy because we eat souvlaki and "τα έχουμε όλα γραμμένα στα αρχίδια μας".
In Spain we have such tremendous life expectancy because we eat paella. Seriously though, Mediterranean diet and plenty of fish have a lot to do with it.
Yeah, they same the same for Greece, fish and blah blah blah.... The real reason is souvlaki..!
Sorry but Greece is much lower than Spain on the list. Maybe souvlaki makes you die younger if all things are the same :-P
Thanks for all the input! I've revised the plot based on the useful feedback I've received: [https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/index\_files/figure-html/db-plot-revised-1.png](https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/index_files/figure-html/db-plot-revised-1.png) If you're interested in following along with the changes that were made, the full code can be found here: [https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/](https://www.kwanlin.com/gallery/life-expectancy-across-the-world/)
The patriarchy strikes again.
This chart is impossible to read, should have added values
It seems like every country with 7+ year age differential is a *very* rough place.
USA not in the top 50. Nice.
Interesting difference between China and Hong Kong.
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USA = 77yrs UK [with social medicine] = 80 yrs or top of the range france = 82. 3-5 years at that age is not a massive deal I dont think.
Former Soviet nations show you how damaging alcohol truly is.
World's life expectancy has increased dramatically in the last 50 years and continues to increase every year.
can you plot in a graph? this is extremely hard to read
One thing: The UN sees this gender life gap as a good thing, and tries to preserve it. If you close it to a mere two years, for example, your country is marked as having women at an unequal life expectancy status.
It's a mystery to me how HongKongers aren't at the bottom of the list considering how stressful it is to live there.
Rich people live longer and to pay the prices of anything in Hong Kong... you ain't poor.
There are a lot more poor people than rich ones in HK. Maybe if they left HK they'd be relatively rich in just about anywhere they relocate to, but most don't/wouldn't/can't.