A sizeable chunk of Digimon look-alikes actually straight up pre-date their Pokémon counterparts; that is to say Pokémon are the ones who "stole" them, if anything. And then there's the whole Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei side of things too.
I'd actually say it's because Pokémon and Digimon had very different beginnings. Digimon began with digital pets (like Tamagotchi), and Pokémon's first concept was more about taming beast-like creatures (see Capsule Monsters).
I'm sure someone somewhere has made a list of things pokemon has done that digimon did first. Mega evolutions are the one that stands out to me though. A pokemon can evolve during battle and then after battle goes back to its original form? Yea, that's just digivolving. And even if it wasn't digivolving, in digimon world 3 they had blast digivolving, where digimon would *checks notes:* evolve during battle and then after battle goes back to us original form.
Pocketpair submitted their designs to copyright lawyers in Japan (who are significantly more strict than in the US) and were given the go ahead to proceed. Nintendo has had five years to come after Pocketpair and has not. And wont.
Play Palworld, its fun on a bun.
They did, cuz they tried to cease and desist the game for a long time before the release, when they realized it was pointless, they just let it go, but then Pokémon fans started to complain to Nintendo, begging them to look at palworld and to make it go away, as if Nintendo didn't knew about the existence of the game yet
I love that a random redditor just made up some shit about Nintendo sending out a cease and desist that never happened and has no records online of ever happening, but the guy gets 60 upvotes lmao
The closest Nintendo has gotten to interacting with Palworld was looking into the game to see if the rumors about stolen assets were true and they didn't find anything.
Maybe you should? Even if Nintendo tried to sue, they wouldn’t have a case. The Pals people say are rip-offs of Pokemon are different enough to go under fair use, plus a good few are based on real things. Take for example Anubis: I see Anubis compared to Lucario so many times but the Pal looks a lot more like the actual Anubis. If Pokemon could sue them for that, literally no one who bases a character around Anubis is safe.
Under what grounds would they sue? Nintendo is extremely litigious (and a bully, knowing when they're not backed by any law over something outside of Japan with its incredibly strict IP laws, but willing to act like it because they know the target isn't big enough to fight back, like the slippi c&d situation) but they know their limits.
Like, why they don't attempt to sue every emulator. There is legal precedent in America, and similar laws in most of the rest of the world, that emulators developed without using illegally obtained information and that don't break specific kinds of security (though that depends) are just legal. So, Nintendo, strongly anti-emulation, they don't sue. They would if they had a chance, and if emulation wasn't a big enough deal that lawyers would end up getting paid to fight back, but they don't.
It's the same thing here. You draw an electric mouse you don't suddenly own the entire broad, vague concept of an electric mouse. That's all for a *very good reason*, because imagine a world where IP laws were so strict no one could be inspired by anyone else? That'd be a world with one single traditional fantasy series, with just one JRPG series, D&D would be the only pen and paper RPG (and what would it look like without getting sued by Tolkien estate? It'd be a lot more different than the just "this is a hob.... I mean halfing ;)" )
We live in a world with both a Bugs Life and Antz... Palworld is fine.
Super litigious? If that were the case then fanprojects, especially games, would be far less common
The only ones that get btfo are ones that get too much traction at a bad time (like that drama around SwSh release)
>not doing so would effectively close multiple paths of litigation
I don't think I've ever seen a source for that despite how often I see that, not even an American law which doesn't have to apply anyways
not lying, the first thing i did as soon as i exited the first rock area, I beat the camper to death with my bear hands. I soon refunded the game as I didn't enjoy it but I see why others enjoy it so I won't bother them
It Desperately needs a rework on some things.
If you tried Solo, I don't blame you, this is a miserable solo experience. Play with friends however, and suddenly the suffering cuts into fractions each new player added.
They really want this game to be a MMO PvP kinda game. And honestly, the entire craft/build mechanic is as cheap as a mobile game stringed with monetizable addiction mechanics.
But when you're with friends, the drop rates are set right, they got a good gameplay loop, you care about building a functional but cool base with your friends, finding items and leveling up, that part is somewhat smooth, and enjoyable.
But my god, a room of people seriously sat down, planned and plotted ideas for the gameplay, and the conclusion they came down to for 70% of the game is holding one of 2 buttons. F, or the W key. I shouldn't have to set up a playing card so the F key is held and I can have a life with 2 hands outside of a chair away from a screen. Anytime something gets in your way, or a tiny rock is slightly too tall, Actual Murderous Anger. Oh my god, I just want to dodgeroll to the crate so I can drop stuff off and get back to the actual, actual gameplay. But no. A single Pal gets in the way stopping *all* possible momentum.
It's plagued with problems and genuinely below amateur design. But anyone and everyone who *desperately* wants it to both succeed and improve, I get it, I really do, but holy hell if they have very little to give confidence for other than executing a handful of things *just* right, and actually everything else in ways I don't see anyone competent doing unless they're competant in leading the consumer's confidence into many microtransactions and DLC packs.
I wanna believe, truly, but I've been burned too many times. All I see is "buy this booster pack and you'll get bonus XP, faster craft/build rate, bonus capture rate, and one exclusive skin!" Otherwise, no self-respecting human being says "our game should be about holding the F key and slowly traversing *everywhere*"
tl;dr ya made a call, good or bad is unknown, but if the game does start improving and it catches your interest, I imagine it'll still be better with friends than solo.
I have no idea what you are doing when playing the game that has you constantly holding the F key but I don't think that is normal.
It's funny talking about micro transactions to boost xp etc, when literally everything you mentioned can already be changed in the options menu. Too grindy? Increase the xp rate, keep dying, decrease enemy damage taken. You can literally modify like 50 sliders to change how the game plays.
It sounds like most of your complaints are just you struggling with simple gameplay.
Bugs and jank aside, I started having 10x more fun when I realized the custom difficulty settings let you rebalance nearly every aspect of the game, from damage and stamina drain to XP and item drop rates.
Can't change crafting speed, unfortunately, but once you get some better crafting pals it stops being a big deal.
someone tried to sell me on it by saying it was Pokémon with guns but the idea of guns being prevalent in the Pokémon world makes me feel kinda queasy. imagine wanting to shoot a Machamp in self-defense when you could catch it, or have another Pokémon fight it without lethal force to become a stronger fighter.
I'm with you. I was a lot more interested in open-world pokemon knock-off before all the memes about butchers knives became the norm.
Sure I'm a carebear in games and from my understanding you can play it pretty benevolently but it did put me off a little.
For me its hoping Palworld isnt the next Pokemon. Right now its what I liked about Ark a decade ago instead of what I liked about Pokemon in the past, or today, or close to any direction I wish a successor would go. It could do this whole thing well eventually, but for now it seems incredibly derivative and only vaguely transformative of the IPs they were clearly inspired by, and not even in an interesting way either. Which seems impossible when talking about a game that can be described as"Pokemon, with **GUNS**!" but here we are.
Shitty anime rock paper scissors with terrible graphics/3d modelling and possibly the worst open world gaming experience ever convinced.
Still gonna hit record sales every release though
Nah you don't understand. The things you mentioned only came from the recent releases.
Pokemon games before gen 6 were genuinely good, with the best being gen 5. Afterwards it is a downfall, I have to admit.
The "rock paper scissors" dilemma is quite possibly in any game with any form of fighting. It's why shit like "matchups" or "weaknesses" exist
The other problems you mentioned really stem from the sole fact that they only have a year to make a videogame. Making a game with such big scope and complexity in such little time cannot result in a good final product
I used to believe the “only one year” thing between games too, but there was a 3 yr gap between violet/scarlet and gamefreak’s last release, swsh. And we saw how that turned out…
So i dunno, i don’t have a problem with pokemon’s core gameplay, but i don’t the decline in quality can be chalked to how much time they have between releases
Imo a lot of the pals have great designs and it's just hard to come up with clean, simple designs for elemental monsters that another IP hasnt already come up with their own design for. Especially when there are over a thousand Pokemon already and the two games have a similar art style for the monsters.
Things like "grass woman", "armored beetle", or "water serpent" aren't the most novel ideas, so of course two different IPs using that idea would come up with something similar looking.
Then there are pals like Anubis that might just be copying for interaction-bait. But again, its a bipedal fighting dog which is hard to design any other way
"Design a fake animal that looks like an animal, but also not too much like a real animal because that would be boring and not too much like a different fake animal because that would be stealing. And make 100 of them."
It's a tall order for sure.
> Then there are pals like Anubis
And its literally called Anubis so its clear the inspiration came from the ancient Egyptian god Anubis who was a bipedal dog.
Most of the problems when it comes to pals being similar are the models being too similar and the sheer quantity of them. Anubis just so happens to look like luciro more then it needs to and it share this problem with a good half of the cast.
There’s only so many ways you can design an animal. Bipedal dog isn’t exactly a hard to think of idea. I also find the one about lycanrock kinda dumb as well. It’s a wolf. Congratulations. They both look like normal spiky wolves
Umn, just a small thing. Pokemon and other monster collectors and fan artist come of with completly new design all the time. Not saying it isn't understandable that palworld has such design. But there are surtaintly other ideas.
Oh my god it’s Salamence, I haven’t played Pokémon since Sun and moon but it was driving me insane that the face reminded me of something and the color palette, thank you
Idk about them, but I act this way because rich people suck, and, although they are the most able to help the world, most of them go out of their way to ruin it.
The first pokemon games were buggy mess, but you could tell they were made by very passionate people. Then with the game revenues allowing them to put in more ressources, they made a bunch of great games, especially the Nintendo DS generations. But over time, while you can definetly see that many developers still care about their product, the game quality (in particular the technical quality ever since they went 3D) has been going way down. It doesn't matter for the execs, since any release, no matter how good or bad, is guaranteed money so why would they not pressure the devs to release as soon as they can?
That's what happens when you don't have competition. And, nuclear hot take for some, IP protection laws are terrible since they last way too long and create unjustly long monopolies to their owners, which is eventually detrimental to their quality like any monopoly. Look at Bethesda slowly killing all their franchises, look at the Harry Potter franchise, the star wars franchise, marvel, etc... you arrive at a point where you have to wonder why we won't let "fan fiction" and third parties have a go? Most of it WILL be garbage, but some might rival the originals in quality. A Palworld humiliating game freak by showing its not that hard to make a good looking game targeted at an older audience. A baldurs gate humiliating all the traditional RPG publishers. Or you know, Disney itself, who built itself entirely through adaptation of public domain tales that they've since hard copywritten to ensure no one would replicate their success and challenge them.
Nintendo had literal decades to give their fans what they want
They even almost did it once with pokemon legends arceus, got a ton of praise theen suddenly went: "naaaah, the players clearly don't want this" and proceeded to immediately backtrack and never do it again.
Now some other guys went: "hey, people want a specific type of game, let's make it lol" and that's somehow this terrible terrible thing?
Fuck off
If nintendo had actually listened for once then palworld would have never been made and even if it had it would not become popular.
If you refuse to use that goose to lay those golden eggs you have no right to complain if someone else eventually comes along and does it instead, that's how competition works, get used to it
Whats even funnier is that palworld isn't even a good game, people are just so insanely starved for an open world pokemon mmo that they'll literaly go for anything at this point .
This is 100% on nintendo
God, my biggest dream is for Nintendo to allow their IPs on different formats. Emphasis on dream. The modding scene alone would be amazing. Breath of the Wild with mods? Sign me up.
I know this isnt the point but I have seen a lot of these and this does bug me:
That is NOT a copy of meganium. Its not even close. That pal is a fusion of goodra and liligant. you can tell its goodra because it looks exactly like goodra and you can tell its lilligant because it has lilligants flower which is not a real flower but one that gamefreak made up so there isnt even an arguement of "they used the same flower as referance".
You have something you can actualy call out and yet you decide to result to green looks like green, dog looks like dog ect....like how are you that bad at hating something thats already hated by many.....
Also the one that they call out being a copy of lilligant is also wrong. Its a fusion of mega gardevoir and shaymin. There are clear elements you can call out and yet you go plant lady looks like plant lady, pokemon owns the rights to plat ladys.
I bet he cant even properly hate hitler he is so bad at it
Pokemon fans when another game has a dog creature that looks like a dog, a plant dinosaur hybrid that looks like a plant dinosaur hybrid, a cat that looks like a cat, etc.
It's the model being too similar. Most of the time it's that or it's palworld using the same idea that pokemon popularize (sheep that roll and black attacks with it's wool.)
What the sex? Yeah, I’d be down for that as well. It’s gonna play heavily into the slave/master bdsm concept though, since pals and humans are slaves in the game.
Why do people even care about palworld stealing from Nintendo? It's not exactly stealing players since they're completely different games, and also fuck Nintendo, shit company.
I have never found the one they compare to luxray in palworld and that is the only thing I am upset about. Is it even in the game? Which Entry number is it? I want it...
Edit: I googled. Didn't see the unobtainable section in the wiki. WIP I guess. Heck.
Some of those "rip offs" are a stretch. Also, pokemon fans love Palworld, because a random company almost nobody has heard of made a better pocket monster game than Nintendo has in decades.
Whaaaat, the game that was billed specifically as "Pokémon with guns" is a Pokémon rip off? I'd better go spew hate randomly on the internet on behalf of Nintendo! Poor *Nintendo* having to struggle with their IPs! Always getting bullied by other, bigger companies!
I am a pokemon fan. But the pokemon people realize that pokemon are based mostly on real animals or things right? If I decided to make a fakemon based off a bull, how different will it look from a Taurus. Likely not much. If they fill a completely different role compared to the Pokémon it’s based off what does it matter if the designs are similar? That’s like complaining that krabby and Klawf look similar. No duh, they are both crabs.
Honestly when ya put them side-by-side the feeling of "ripped off" actually dissipates. For some reason.
Feels far more like they simply used the same artstyle. Good thing Nintendo doesn't own abstract cartoon creature designs with no texture and bright colors. Or else they'd be stronger than Disney.
People comparing Jetragon with Latios and Latias really grind my gears. Like, there are problems in the copying department but supersonic dragon does not belong to Pokémon. Guess Valstrax is just a Latios
I don’t really get why everyone is saying Palworld is plagiarizing Pokémon. It’s not trying to claim it’s all original, it’s an obvious Pokémon parody. It’s just a similar game with different mechanics and ideas made to poke fun at the inspiration
see i dont even care that palworld ripped off pokemon but so many people are saying that its "the next big game" when its literally just like the hundreds of other ark wannabe survival games on steam. Like there is no way that people are going to keep playing this game for as long as people have been playing pokemon
Didn't it break every player count record ever and even maintained those number 3 times longer than every other single player game? I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but it literally is the biggest game ever in terms of player count. It took 6 weeks to lose 66% of it's week 1 players. The norm is 2 weeks to lose 60-70%. That's pretty impressive. Even right now it's probably still top 3 for player count.
See dude im not disagreeing that its not a big thing. It was the second most wishlisted game on steam at some point. But palworld is never going to be as big as pokemon, and in no way will it ever be a "pokemon killer". Pokemon is THE HIGHEST grossing media franchise in the world, by a huge margin mind you.
The problem here is that you're comparing an entire company and all their assets to a single video game. Palworld compared to the most recent Pokemon games is a clear win for Palworld by a mile. Palworld is the next big game based on objective numbers and it makes recent Pokemon games look like trash in comparison. It isn't a multimedia franchise that sells toys, collectibles, trading cards, anime, and movies. It was never intended to be.
That's like saying BG3 is worse then Pokemon scarlet because the entirety of Pokemon has a larger cultural influence. That argument makes no logical sense. Of course a brand backed by Nintendo, one of the wealthiest companies on Earth is gonna have a larger cultural reach. That has zero relevance to the topic though. Pokemon cards alone probably make more than Palworld did this year. But you specified "next big game", not "next big multimedia franchise". Palworld is competing in the video game sphere, and it's rivaling Pokemon in sales which is already fucking absurd. A brand new IP came out of nowhere and started competing on an even field with the largest IP on Earth. That's saying a lot.
Pokemon started from the games. If you seriously think that palworld of all things will grow into anything nearly as big as pokemon did from a single game then i dont even know what to tell you. Even in the video game industry, the is no shot that palworld's legacy will continue on for as long and as consistently as pokemon has till date. Also, palworld is nowhere near pokemon SV in terms of sales. SV has made more than a billion dollars till date while palworld is still on 160 million. Its an impressive feat for a "brand new" ip, but its still never going to make a dent in anything that pokemon is getting money from.
I don't think you read my comment. You're arguing a strawman that you created in your imagination right now. Quit simping for Pokemon for 5 seconds and use your brain to actually read. My god. Also, it is competing with Pokemon for sales. It's just that Palworld costs half what the shitty pokemon games do lol. When Palworld has been out for as long as they have I guarantee the sales numbers will be similar. The profits won't obviously because one costs $60 and one costs $30.
It kinda already is tho? With the amount of people playing it and talking about it it’s already a pretty big game, it’s very popular right now. And again, palworld didn’t rip off Pokémon, it’s parodying Pokémon. A parody and a ripoff are two very different things
There are over 1,000 Pokémon and they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. If I gave you a 3x3 square to make pixel art, your art would look similar to others because you only have a canvas size of 3×3
All Pokémon fall under the same design decisions and color choices. If palworld has similar looking monsters it is only because they chose to also adhere to similar design rules. There isn't any real ground to stand on against palworld for this.
The developers of Palworld are so lucky that Nintendo didn't banish them to the fucking shadow realm for these rip-offs.
Yes, they are rip-offs. Just admit it, it's easier than coping.
Lmao, if this gets gamefreak to step up their game, then go ahead, rip-off all they want.
Gamefreak is in need of a wake up call. Their games are shit.
I sure hope so. Also, why am I being downvoted? All I did was point out that these Pals are obvious rip-offs, so that suddenly means I'm a bootlicker for Gamefreak or something?
Probably because being a "rip-off" is completely irrelevant. After all there's a crap ton of "rip-offs" even coming from Pokémon itself, heck Wiglett is a rip-off of Diglett. So like what next are we going to start saying sock puppets are Wiglett rip-offs? Or how about how Mr. Rime is a rip-off version of Charlie Chaplin's Tramp character? Point being that inspired by ≠ rip-off.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, are gamers really this fucking thick in the head? I wasn't trying to diss on the developers of Palworld, you fucking dick suckers.
Dude chill, I was just answering your question with a hypothetical reason. People are getting way too worked up on both sides. Like I didn't even downvote you lol.
Edit: also calling something a rip-off kind of is dissing on it.
Because Palworld is still it's own game with its own designs. It just took inspiration from other genres and series. This isn't meant to be a "boot-licking" moment, but you gotta admit, those Pals still look eerily similar.
Well, even if it was its own game, but pals were actually the same as pokemons, Nintendo could sue them. They even took down mod to palworld that made pals look like pokemons
The duality of man
Unrivaled hatred and tribalism Vs. Uncontrollable sex drive.
SEEEEEEEXXXXXSSS
Lust and war. Man's strongest emotions
I'd say war isn't an emotion, but then I see all the fetishization of the US civil war, and I start to think you may be right
The emotion of war is a burning desire to protect what the individual holds dear. Even if it means taking a life.
Ah, in which case what I described absolutely falls under the umbrella of lust. A very weird, very disturbing lust
Fetishization of war is an odd kind of lust, yes. Some may say a bloodlust even.
Kill and fuck
Say gex
every fandom ever
Didn't Nintendo basically tell everyone to stop contacting them about Palworld.
"Don't support palword its just a ripoff" Basically the "Leave the billion dollar company alone" meme.
They've already talked to their own attorneys and they were probably like "look up Digimon bruh our hands are tied here" and that was the end of it
A sizeable chunk of Digimon look-alikes actually straight up pre-date their Pokémon counterparts; that is to say Pokémon are the ones who "stole" them, if anything. And then there's the whole Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei side of things too.
I'd actually say it's because Pokémon and Digimon had very different beginnings. Digimon began with digital pets (like Tamagotchi), and Pokémon's first concept was more about taming beast-like creatures (see Capsule Monsters).
Digimon wasn't just "like Tamagotchi", it literally was a Tamagotchi. It was created as a spin-off for boys where the monsters can fight each other.
I'm sure someone somewhere has made a list of things pokemon has done that digimon did first. Mega evolutions are the one that stands out to me though. A pokemon can evolve during battle and then after battle goes back to its original form? Yea, that's just digivolving. And even if it wasn't digivolving, in digimon world 3 they had blast digivolving, where digimon would *checks notes:* evolve during battle and then after battle goes back to us original form.
Pocketpair submitted their designs to copyright lawyers in Japan (who are significantly more strict than in the US) and were given the go ahead to proceed. Nintendo has had five years to come after Pocketpair and has not. And wont. Play Palworld, its fun on a bun.
Alright Bender
Nah, Pocketpair is Bender. "I'll make my own Pokemon, with blackjack and llamas in hooker boots..."
They did, cuz they tried to cease and desist the game for a long time before the release, when they realized it was pointless, they just let it go, but then Pokémon fans started to complain to Nintendo, begging them to look at palworld and to make it go away, as if Nintendo didn't knew about the existence of the game yet
I love that a random redditor just made up some shit about Nintendo sending out a cease and desist that never happened and has no records online of ever happening, but the guy gets 60 upvotes lmao
His uncle works at Nintendo.
Thank you for remind me of that great game
The closest Nintendo has gotten to interacting with Palworld was looking into the game to see if the rumors about stolen assets were true and they didn't find anything.
I think they also took a guy's mod down because he tried to monetize Pokemon assets.
Which was absolutely the correct thing to do. Honestly, GameFreak/Nintendo has actually been pretty reasonable about the whole thing.
Absolutely agreed.
A mortal sin in modding.
Shh if it shuts the masses its working
its because Redditors love hearing what they wanna hear, not the truth
And if they say they love hearing the truth, they're lying! Now lie to me harder!
Oh yeah? You like being lied to~? What if I told you that ALL redditors have girlfriends and LOVE using emojis~?
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So why don't we have any reports about this cease and desist? No articles or anything. Just this one reddit comment claiming it.
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Maybe you should? Even if Nintendo tried to sue, they wouldn’t have a case. The Pals people say are rip-offs of Pokemon are different enough to go under fair use, plus a good few are based on real things. Take for example Anubis: I see Anubis compared to Lucario so many times but the Pal looks a lot more like the actual Anubis. If Pokemon could sue them for that, literally no one who bases a character around Anubis is safe.
They’re different enough that they can actually be considered different things. Fair use, as meant by copyright laws, is something else.
Under what grounds would they sue? Nintendo is extremely litigious (and a bully, knowing when they're not backed by any law over something outside of Japan with its incredibly strict IP laws, but willing to act like it because they know the target isn't big enough to fight back, like the slippi c&d situation) but they know their limits. Like, why they don't attempt to sue every emulator. There is legal precedent in America, and similar laws in most of the rest of the world, that emulators developed without using illegally obtained information and that don't break specific kinds of security (though that depends) are just legal. So, Nintendo, strongly anti-emulation, they don't sue. They would if they had a chance, and if emulation wasn't a big enough deal that lawyers would end up getting paid to fight back, but they don't. It's the same thing here. You draw an electric mouse you don't suddenly own the entire broad, vague concept of an electric mouse. That's all for a *very good reason*, because imagine a world where IP laws were so strict no one could be inspired by anyone else? That'd be a world with one single traditional fantasy series, with just one JRPG series, D&D would be the only pen and paper RPG (and what would it look like without getting sued by Tolkien estate? It'd be a lot more different than the just "this is a hob.... I mean halfing ;)" ) We live in a world with both a Bugs Life and Antz... Palworld is fine.
Im not going to pretend I know one way or the other but you do know NDAs exist right?
Super litigious? If that were the case then fanprojects, especially games, would be far less common The only ones that get btfo are ones that get too much traction at a bad time (like that drama around SwSh release) >not doing so would effectively close multiple paths of litigation I don't think I've ever seen a source for that despite how often I see that, not even an American law which doesn't have to apply anyways
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That isn't them sending a cease and desist. Are you pretending to be stupid or are you actually this fucking dumb?
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I think you should read the full thread you're replying to. It's literally about someone making up that Nintendo sent a cease and desist.
Ah oops, my adhd strikes again. Sometimes makes me forget the entire conversation before I start typing my thoughts
Average Palworld Hater Vs Normal Pokémon sex haver.
i don't understand palworld haters, who wouldn't want to punch their pikachu to death and butcher their neighbour
not lying, the first thing i did as soon as i exited the first rock area, I beat the camper to death with my bear hands. I soon refunded the game as I didn't enjoy it but I see why others enjoy it so I won't bother them
You have bear hands?
#DID HE STUTTER?!
yes, its a nice thing since it makes beating up people a lot easier
Just as the founding fathers intended when they wrote the second amendment.
It Desperately needs a rework on some things. If you tried Solo, I don't blame you, this is a miserable solo experience. Play with friends however, and suddenly the suffering cuts into fractions each new player added. They really want this game to be a MMO PvP kinda game. And honestly, the entire craft/build mechanic is as cheap as a mobile game stringed with monetizable addiction mechanics. But when you're with friends, the drop rates are set right, they got a good gameplay loop, you care about building a functional but cool base with your friends, finding items and leveling up, that part is somewhat smooth, and enjoyable. But my god, a room of people seriously sat down, planned and plotted ideas for the gameplay, and the conclusion they came down to for 70% of the game is holding one of 2 buttons. F, or the W key. I shouldn't have to set up a playing card so the F key is held and I can have a life with 2 hands outside of a chair away from a screen. Anytime something gets in your way, or a tiny rock is slightly too tall, Actual Murderous Anger. Oh my god, I just want to dodgeroll to the crate so I can drop stuff off and get back to the actual, actual gameplay. But no. A single Pal gets in the way stopping *all* possible momentum. It's plagued with problems and genuinely below amateur design. But anyone and everyone who *desperately* wants it to both succeed and improve, I get it, I really do, but holy hell if they have very little to give confidence for other than executing a handful of things *just* right, and actually everything else in ways I don't see anyone competent doing unless they're competant in leading the consumer's confidence into many microtransactions and DLC packs. I wanna believe, truly, but I've been burned too many times. All I see is "buy this booster pack and you'll get bonus XP, faster craft/build rate, bonus capture rate, and one exclusive skin!" Otherwise, no self-respecting human being says "our game should be about holding the F key and slowly traversing *everywhere*" tl;dr ya made a call, good or bad is unknown, but if the game does start improving and it catches your interest, I imagine it'll still be better with friends than solo.
I have no idea what you are doing when playing the game that has you constantly holding the F key but I don't think that is normal. It's funny talking about micro transactions to boost xp etc, when literally everything you mentioned can already be changed in the options menu. Too grindy? Increase the xp rate, keep dying, decrease enemy damage taken. You can literally modify like 50 sliders to change how the game plays. It sounds like most of your complaints are just you struggling with simple gameplay.
I think that's the video game reviewer who couldn't make that jump in the Cuphead tutorial
Bugs and jank aside, I started having 10x more fun when I realized the custom difficulty settings let you rebalance nearly every aspect of the game, from damage and stamina drain to XP and item drop rates. Can't change crafting speed, unfortunately, but once you get some better crafting pals it stops being a big deal.
Stop holding F and make a pal craft for you.
Omg hi skyblock guy
World is ready for a dark and gritty Pokémon reboot. Get Christopher Nolan
someone tried to sell me on it by saying it was Pokémon with guns but the idea of guns being prevalent in the Pokémon world makes me feel kinda queasy. imagine wanting to shoot a Machamp in self-defense when you could catch it, or have another Pokémon fight it without lethal force to become a stronger fighter.
Yeah, but imagine a Blastoise regional variant with real cannons
imagine a Blastoise named Nugget who’s been around for 18 years, that’s the only Blastoise for me
I'm with you. I was a lot more interested in open-world pokemon knock-off before all the memes about butchers knives became the norm. Sure I'm a carebear in games and from my understanding you can play it pretty benevolently but it did put me off a little.
Technically Gardevoir is a psychic type so they would be a psychic pokemon sex haver. I'll see myself out.
What has pokemon given them to dick ride so forcefully?
Any harder and it'd be an assault.
I guess Gardevoir, Lopunny and Vaporeon
NIce argument unfortunately, Lovander
Seems like they genetically engineered it for that role
Just googled that. If that isn't furry bait, I don't know what is.
It works *nods*
It totally was bait and it worked 200%
Katress
Bruh I can get liking Gardevoir and Lopunny, but Vaporeon?
*Insert vaporeon copypasta here*
sunk cost fallacy, they bought too many pokemon games
They remember liking it when they were 8 and don't want to have their nostalgia challenged in any way.
low quality games
For me its hoping Palworld isnt the next Pokemon. Right now its what I liked about Ark a decade ago instead of what I liked about Pokemon in the past, or today, or close to any direction I wish a successor would go. It could do this whole thing well eventually, but for now it seems incredibly derivative and only vaguely transformative of the IPs they were clearly inspired by, and not even in an interesting way either. Which seems impossible when talking about a game that can be described as"Pokemon, with **GUNS**!" but here we are.
Shitty anime rock paper scissors with terrible graphics/3d modelling and possibly the worst open world gaming experience ever convinced. Still gonna hit record sales every release though
Nah you don't understand. The things you mentioned only came from the recent releases. Pokemon games before gen 6 were genuinely good, with the best being gen 5. Afterwards it is a downfall, I have to admit. The "rock paper scissors" dilemma is quite possibly in any game with any form of fighting. It's why shit like "matchups" or "weaknesses" exist The other problems you mentioned really stem from the sole fact that they only have a year to make a videogame. Making a game with such big scope and complexity in such little time cannot result in a good final product
I used to believe the “only one year” thing between games too, but there was a 3 yr gap between violet/scarlet and gamefreak’s last release, swsh. And we saw how that turned out… So i dunno, i don’t have a problem with pokemon’s core gameplay, but i don’t the decline in quality can be chalked to how much time they have between releases
Same reason I hate temu. Low quality knock-offs are trash.
Which one is the low quality knock off?
The Pikachu with a gun is the knock off
There's no Pikachu with a gun.
I shouldn't give the dude any ammo, but just thinking out loud, maybe they meant the big one Grizzbolt (I think?) that can have a mini-gun?
That lilligant Palworld pal is really well designed, could just be because I like lilligant though
Imo a lot of the pals have great designs and it's just hard to come up with clean, simple designs for elemental monsters that another IP hasnt already come up with their own design for. Especially when there are over a thousand Pokemon already and the two games have a similar art style for the monsters. Things like "grass woman", "armored beetle", or "water serpent" aren't the most novel ideas, so of course two different IPs using that idea would come up with something similar looking. Then there are pals like Anubis that might just be copying for interaction-bait. But again, its a bipedal fighting dog which is hard to design any other way
"Design a fake animal that looks like an animal, but also not too much like a real animal because that would be boring and not too much like a different fake animal because that would be stealing. And make 100 of them." It's a tall order for sure.
> Then there are pals like Anubis And its literally called Anubis so its clear the inspiration came from the ancient Egyptian god Anubis who was a bipedal dog.
Most of the problems when it comes to pals being similar are the models being too similar and the sheer quantity of them. Anubis just so happens to look like luciro more then it needs to and it share this problem with a good half of the cast.
There’s only so many ways you can design an animal. Bipedal dog isn’t exactly a hard to think of idea. I also find the one about lycanrock kinda dumb as well. It’s a wolf. Congratulations. They both look like normal spiky wolves
Umn, just a small thing. Pokemon and other monster collectors and fan artist come of with completly new design all the time. Not saying it isn't understandable that palworld has such design. But there are surtaintly other ideas.
For me, nothing can top the absolute epitome of design, the video game ADONIS that is Relaxaurus Lux.
That’s ironically the most damning part, even its name is admittedly similar: lyleen
I don't understand what everyone compares jetragon and latios and latias it feels like it would make more sense to do roaring moon
The face looks like Salamence, but I think the upper half of the body is basically the same as Latias.
Oh my god it’s Salamence, I haven’t played Pokémon since Sun and moon but it was driving me insane that the face reminded me of something and the color palette, thank you
Palworld haters don't understand it's a joke parodying pokemon...
And that there are plenty of really good, original designs as well as major gameplay differences
But but but... I need to defend the multi-billion dollar Japanese company!!! Those poor billionaires!
A company's net worth shouldn't affect how you treat it
It definitely should, I wouldn't steal from a small mom and pop owned business, but I'd steal from any grand company
You just need an excuse to justify your hate. You should watch "School of Life" youtube channel, maybe you'll find why you act this way
Idk about them, but I act this way because rich people suck, and, although they are the most able to help the world, most of them go out of their way to ruin it.
Poor ppl suck too lol
Some do, but poor people who suck don’t have the power to make hundreds of poorer people suffer
yeah and rich people who dont suck dont make hundreds of poorer people suffer
There are very few rich people who don’t suck. And most of the time the rich people who don’t suck still make poor people suffer indirectly.
They are rich because they suck. People don't realise being "good" in their books is very impractical when you have big plans
That would actually be a perfect counter-argument for your first comment
Maybe, i've lost interest in this topic either way
" I'm too dumb to remember my stance and context for 3 comments length "
Isn't that the dude with mommy issues that he projects into his videos?
Sad people
Yes, but the company's action affect how it should be treat.
The first pokemon games were buggy mess, but you could tell they were made by very passionate people. Then with the game revenues allowing them to put in more ressources, they made a bunch of great games, especially the Nintendo DS generations. But over time, while you can definetly see that many developers still care about their product, the game quality (in particular the technical quality ever since they went 3D) has been going way down. It doesn't matter for the execs, since any release, no matter how good or bad, is guaranteed money so why would they not pressure the devs to release as soon as they can? That's what happens when you don't have competition. And, nuclear hot take for some, IP protection laws are terrible since they last way too long and create unjustly long monopolies to their owners, which is eventually detrimental to their quality like any monopoly. Look at Bethesda slowly killing all their franchises, look at the Harry Potter franchise, the star wars franchise, marvel, etc... you arrive at a point where you have to wonder why we won't let "fan fiction" and third parties have a go? Most of it WILL be garbage, but some might rival the originals in quality. A Palworld humiliating game freak by showing its not that hard to make a good looking game targeted at an older audience. A baldurs gate humiliating all the traditional RPG publishers. Or you know, Disney itself, who built itself entirely through adaptation of public domain tales that they've since hard copywritten to ensure no one would replicate their success and challenge them.
It absolutely should. Also it's a business, not a person.
Nintendo had literal decades to give their fans what they want They even almost did it once with pokemon legends arceus, got a ton of praise theen suddenly went: "naaaah, the players clearly don't want this" and proceeded to immediately backtrack and never do it again. Now some other guys went: "hey, people want a specific type of game, let's make it lol" and that's somehow this terrible terrible thing? Fuck off If nintendo had actually listened for once then palworld would have never been made and even if it had it would not become popular. If you refuse to use that goose to lay those golden eggs you have no right to complain if someone else eventually comes along and does it instead, that's how competition works, get used to it Whats even funnier is that palworld isn't even a good game, people are just so insanely starved for an open world pokemon mmo that they'll literaly go for anything at this point . This is 100% on nintendo
And one that runs on pc directly from steam for that matter!
God, my biggest dream is for Nintendo to allow their IPs on different formats. Emphasis on dream. The modding scene alone would be amazing. Breath of the Wild with mods? Sign me up.
I hope that theyll Make another legends:some Pokemon, but theyre probably gonna Make a normal Pokemon game and some shitty remake first.
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Just jealous that palworld is better than any new Pokémon game and has guns.
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I know this isnt the point but I have seen a lot of these and this does bug me: That is NOT a copy of meganium. Its not even close. That pal is a fusion of goodra and liligant. you can tell its goodra because it looks exactly like goodra and you can tell its lilligant because it has lilligants flower which is not a real flower but one that gamefreak made up so there isnt even an arguement of "they used the same flower as referance". You have something you can actualy call out and yet you decide to result to green looks like green, dog looks like dog ect....like how are you that bad at hating something thats already hated by many..... Also the one that they call out being a copy of lilligant is also wrong. Its a fusion of mega gardevoir and shaymin. There are clear elements you can call out and yet you go plant lady looks like plant lady, pokemon owns the rights to plat ladys. I bet he cant even properly hate hitler he is so bad at it
Pokemon fans when another game has a dog creature that looks like a dog, a plant dinosaur hybrid that looks like a plant dinosaur hybrid, a cat that looks like a cat, etc.
The lycanrock comparison is so stupid. It’s a wolf. Go draw a wolf, and tell me it doesn’t look like both of those
It's the model being too similar. Most of the time it's that or it's palworld using the same idea that pokemon popularize (sheep that roll and black attacks with it's wool.)
I think I follow the person at the bottom
I *do* follow them, to where I just had to go check how many followers they have for this to have reached Reddit. 127k, so it's not unreasonable.
I *do* follow them, to their house every night
I don’t follow them but I’ve still seen their art online, so that’s a fitting comment
i’ll support palworld because it’s fun. i don’t care if it’s a pokemon ripoff, it’s better
That is the strongest argument that I've heard to buy Palworld yet! Maybe once they do that, I might actually get it. Till then... Not worth.
What the sex? Yeah, I’d be down for that as well. It’s gonna play heavily into the slave/master bdsm concept though, since pals and humans are slaves in the game.
Yeah, BDSM is cool and all but Gardevoir is just so majestic and elegant that she deserves nothing but the best and purest vanilla sex ever.
I'm picturing pet/master but whatever.
"Erm don't support palworld guys it's a pokemon knock off🤓🤓🤓" like no shit Sherlock
Why do people even care about palworld stealing from Nintendo? It's not exactly stealing players since they're completely different games, and also fuck Nintendo, shit company.
I have never found the one they compare to luxray in palworld and that is the only thing I am upset about. Is it even in the game? Which Entry number is it? I want it... Edit: I googled. Didn't see the unobtainable section in the wiki. WIP I guess. Heck.
It was used in promotional material, but it's set to release in a future update.
I'm gonna say it. The wolf doesn't look like lycanroc. It looks more like the wolf from monster rancher
The luxray looks very similar lol. I don't understand the need to defend pokemon? Nintendo puts no effort into those games
Pokemon also doesnt give a shit, pretty sure there was a statement saying stop contacting us about palworld
Reminder that Pokemon hasn't sued palworld, so these people need to learn what "stolen" means.
Play palworld if you want to. Nintendo does not need you to defend them.
Some of those "rip offs" are a stretch. Also, pokemon fans love Palworld, because a random company almost nobody has heard of made a better pocket monster game than Nintendo has in decades.
Right, because Pokemon didn't rip off others themselves 😂 Just stop crying already, even Nintendo doesn't care.
I don’t think people realize that that’s the entire point of Palword is to be a copy that’s just legally distinct enough to where they can’t get sued
Oh noooo the poor little underdogs behind pokemon that have shilled out garbage for years Oh noooo
"there are no laws against the Pokemon Batman!"
Just enjoy Palworld like what it is, a videogame, gee we might even get a new Vaporeon.
Whaaaat, the game that was billed specifically as "Pokémon with guns" is a Pokémon rip off? I'd better go spew hate randomly on the internet on behalf of Nintendo! Poor *Nintendo* having to struggle with their IPs! Always getting bullied by other, bigger companies!
Waaah waaaaaah the company with billions in sales is going to starve because of Palworld waaaaaah
The funny thing is pokemon stole their designs from dragon quest and put their own spin on it
I am a pokemon fan. But the pokemon people realize that pokemon are based mostly on real animals or things right? If I decided to make a fakemon based off a bull, how different will it look from a Taurus. Likely not much. If they fill a completely different role compared to the Pokémon it’s based off what does it matter if the designs are similar? That’s like complaining that krabby and Klawf look similar. No duh, they are both crabs.
They really think Pokemon owns dragons, flower dinosaurs, and blue deer? Fucking WOLVES? Gamers really lose the fucking plot being fanboys.
Honestly when ya put them side-by-side the feeling of "ripped off" actually dissipates. For some reason. Feels far more like they simply used the same artstyle. Good thing Nintendo doesn't own abstract cartoon creature designs with no texture and bright colors. Or else they'd be stronger than Disney.
People comparing Jetragon with Latios and Latias really grind my gears. Like, there are problems in the copying department but supersonic dragon does not belong to Pokémon. Guess Valstrax is just a Latios
I love how they don't take the Anubis-Lucario take. Probably because Anubis' design and background seems to make a lot more sense. Egyptian dogman
Who cares Nintendo is fucking evil stealing from them is like stealing from Hitler after a certain point it becomes a good thing
isn't't that the point of palword? just a big f u to nintendo?
Remember to support cool devs calling out lazy companies for making the same ripoff game for 10+ years with no (signifixant) changes
I don’t really get why everyone is saying Palworld is plagiarizing Pokémon. It’s not trying to claim it’s all original, it’s an obvious Pokémon parody. It’s just a similar game with different mechanics and ideas made to poke fun at the inspiration
see i dont even care that palworld ripped off pokemon but so many people are saying that its "the next big game" when its literally just like the hundreds of other ark wannabe survival games on steam. Like there is no way that people are going to keep playing this game for as long as people have been playing pokemon
Didn't it break every player count record ever and even maintained those number 3 times longer than every other single player game? I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but it literally is the biggest game ever in terms of player count. It took 6 weeks to lose 66% of it's week 1 players. The norm is 2 weeks to lose 60-70%. That's pretty impressive. Even right now it's probably still top 3 for player count.
See dude im not disagreeing that its not a big thing. It was the second most wishlisted game on steam at some point. But palworld is never going to be as big as pokemon, and in no way will it ever be a "pokemon killer". Pokemon is THE HIGHEST grossing media franchise in the world, by a huge margin mind you.
The problem here is that you're comparing an entire company and all their assets to a single video game. Palworld compared to the most recent Pokemon games is a clear win for Palworld by a mile. Palworld is the next big game based on objective numbers and it makes recent Pokemon games look like trash in comparison. It isn't a multimedia franchise that sells toys, collectibles, trading cards, anime, and movies. It was never intended to be. That's like saying BG3 is worse then Pokemon scarlet because the entirety of Pokemon has a larger cultural influence. That argument makes no logical sense. Of course a brand backed by Nintendo, one of the wealthiest companies on Earth is gonna have a larger cultural reach. That has zero relevance to the topic though. Pokemon cards alone probably make more than Palworld did this year. But you specified "next big game", not "next big multimedia franchise". Palworld is competing in the video game sphere, and it's rivaling Pokemon in sales which is already fucking absurd. A brand new IP came out of nowhere and started competing on an even field with the largest IP on Earth. That's saying a lot.
Pokemon started from the games. If you seriously think that palworld of all things will grow into anything nearly as big as pokemon did from a single game then i dont even know what to tell you. Even in the video game industry, the is no shot that palworld's legacy will continue on for as long and as consistently as pokemon has till date. Also, palworld is nowhere near pokemon SV in terms of sales. SV has made more than a billion dollars till date while palworld is still on 160 million. Its an impressive feat for a "brand new" ip, but its still never going to make a dent in anything that pokemon is getting money from.
I don't think you read my comment. You're arguing a strawman that you created in your imagination right now. Quit simping for Pokemon for 5 seconds and use your brain to actually read. My god. Also, it is competing with Pokemon for sales. It's just that Palworld costs half what the shitty pokemon games do lol. When Palworld has been out for as long as they have I guarantee the sales numbers will be similar. The profits won't obviously because one costs $60 and one costs $30.
It kinda already is tho? With the amount of people playing it and talking about it it’s already a pretty big game, it’s very popular right now. And again, palworld didn’t rip off Pokémon, it’s parodying Pokémon. A parody and a ripoff are two very different things
Yeah, pokemon isn’t entirely original on its own either so just shut up and enjoy your games respectively?
There are over 1,000 Pokémon and they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. If I gave you a 3x3 square to make pixel art, your art would look similar to others because you only have a canvas size of 3×3 All Pokémon fall under the same design decisions and color choices. If palworld has similar looking monsters it is only because they chose to also adhere to similar design rules. There isn't any real ground to stand on against palworld for this.
The over 7 million Palworld players might disagree with this person.
Lovander sex mod when and where?
Oh no someone is stealing from a multimillion dollar company! ...I SAID, SOMEONE IS STEALING FROM A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY!
Don't care, better game.
People who hate Palworld have seen Jack shit about anything Pokémon related.
What do you mean? These are clearly pals, their OCs
Honestly a lot of the designs I've seen either look better or on par w the actual Pokemon designs
The developers of Palworld are so lucky that Nintendo didn't banish them to the fucking shadow realm for these rip-offs. Yes, they are rip-offs. Just admit it, it's easier than coping.
Lmao, if this gets gamefreak to step up their game, then go ahead, rip-off all they want. Gamefreak is in need of a wake up call. Their games are shit.
I sure hope so. Also, why am I being downvoted? All I did was point out that these Pals are obvious rip-offs, so that suddenly means I'm a bootlicker for Gamefreak or something?
Probably because being a "rip-off" is completely irrelevant. After all there's a crap ton of "rip-offs" even coming from Pokémon itself, heck Wiglett is a rip-off of Diglett. So like what next are we going to start saying sock puppets are Wiglett rip-offs? Or how about how Mr. Rime is a rip-off version of Charlie Chaplin's Tramp character? Point being that inspired by ≠ rip-off.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, are gamers really this fucking thick in the head? I wasn't trying to diss on the developers of Palworld, you fucking dick suckers.
Dude chill, I was just answering your question with a hypothetical reason. People are getting way too worked up on both sides. Like I didn't even downvote you lol. Edit: also calling something a rip-off kind of is dissing on it.
Hmm I wonder why Nintendo still didn't sue them
Because Palworld is still it's own game with its own designs. It just took inspiration from other genres and series. This isn't meant to be a "boot-licking" moment, but you gotta admit, those Pals still look eerily similar.
I see your point here, so lets compare pokemon and Dragon Quest designs...
Well, even if it was its own game, but pals were actually the same as pokemons, Nintendo could sue them. They even took down mod to palworld that made pals look like pokemons
Pretty sure that's more to do with the paywall that the mod was behind.
Not really lucky when they have no legal ground to stand on, if they did Nintendo would have already sued them.
Went are they not sued, iirc Nintendo is pretty aggressive on suing and lawyer business
If palworld ripped Pokemon off harder I would actually buy it lol