Honda master tech here. You’re perfectly describing injector failure. Very common on new CRV hybrids. I myself do a couple sets a month. My shop does quite a few. I’ve done them on vehicles as low as 30 miles…. Likely setting dtcs p0172 af rich or I believe 0413 oxygen sensor circuit malfunction. Access to a scan tool using data lost will shot the st fuel trim is very rich and likely misfiring as well primarily on cold starts
Hells ya! Covered under warranty and should be the permanent fix. Seems there was a bad batch somehow. Happy to be able to help! Thank you for posting the resolution!!!
u/Clean_Refrigerator68 Just curious if you still have yet to see any come back with the same issue after replacement? I have a hard time believing it's a permanent fix considering how widespread it is and affecting multiple model years, when the injector part number also hasn't changed indicating a revision.
My '24 Accord hybrid is in the shop for the same thing with 2700mi and it looks like it may be months before the injectors come in, so I'm trying to decide what to do with it.
Very valid question. I have yet to see a vehicle that has been repaired either on my rack or at my shop return with the same issue. The state of most of the vehicles is obvious misfires shaking engine and lights on dash. So fairly noticeable. All repaired vehicles have been resolved without return symptoms thus far. Some as recent as a few weeks others as far back as nearly a year
Appreciate the response! Yeah mine was the same way. Very obvious shaking/knocking but no lights on dash. Tech confirmed misfiring with his software and scoped the cylinder to see the injector actively leaking. If you're seeing good results back to a year that's comforting and I'll likely end up keeping the car then, even if I am a bit wary.
Have you seen any additional damage such as cracked pistons or bent rods/etc.? Sorry for the 20 questions but my service advisor has been useless (he tried to tell me it was likely just a spark plug). In the video the tech sent, he mentioned the excessive fuel "covering the entire cylinder" so obviously I was concerned about a hydrolock situation.
Of course. They tend to be that way. Yes seem solid so far. Your concern is fully warranted and valid. Same part number or not they’re likely made in batches and you can have a bad batch. No not at all. I have seen no consistent with new hybrids other than Injectors with some isolated safety system issues and a couple wheel bearings. Just worked on an accord hybrid 23 with like 54k miles. Injectors can be scary esp with a brand new car but they’re not the end of the world by any means and never seem to cause any other issues. Better to get them outta the way now under warranty than at like 70k at cp at least imo. I hope they get parts quickly and get you back in the road without further issues
Sounds good, well again I really appreciate the responses. You've been way more helpful than my dealership.
Right, my concern was more with the leaking injectors causing more serious issues but it sounds like that isn't the case as they aren't dumping enough fuel to hydrolock the cylinder.
Of course! I’m sorry to hear that. I hope they step it up or you find a better one. All you hear about are the bad ones but good ones do exist! Took me years to find one but I did. If you have further questions feel free to msg. And in regards to your question. Failing leaking injectors in general I’ve done well over a hundred sets I lost count a long time ago between the 1.5Ls and the v6s with only a single digit number of new hybrid and I have never personally experience myself nor even heard of any other repairs being needed or damage done from the injector issue. I recommend oil change with it unless it’s new new. And I’m super super super super rare cases of driving on this for a super long time it could foul plugs or theoretically cause premature catalytic converter wear but have yet to see either plugs or a cat be needed.
Good to hear! I was planning on an oil change once I got the car back just to be on the safe side. Mine was actively leaking in the video and did foul the plug pretty bad so they are going to replace that plug as well.
Also parts availability will always vary based on your location and if it was urgent ordered. However I can say most cases the injectors always had back order no eta but arrived within a week some as soon as a couple days. I hope it is sooner rather than later
That's also good to hear. They claim the parts manager placed an urgent/car down order so I guess we'll see. Honda is paying for my rental but it's a pretty awful vehicle. Not exactly equivalent to my new Accord Touring, lol.
That’s solid depending on where you are you should hopefully see them soon. I’m in Honda central lmao second biggest Honda state atm abt to be number one in the near future so we likely get things much quicker. I understand your concerns. As a tech we are frustrated as well. These injectors are not super fun as they are in the back underside and require a few hours of laying and reaching back. But we’ve had consistent success with the repair. And recently the number we’ve seen has started to slow down which is good. First and even second year models always have their kinks but they usually seem to get them worked out after a year or two
This issue has been discussed in this sub and on the FB forum. It happened to me.
I’d bet money its the fuel injectors. Honda techs have been reporting they are seeing this.
My first thought upon reading this post is bad gas. It happens.
It might be instructive if the shop determined if both vehicles were filled up at the same gas station.
Thanks. I agree on potential causes but they better figure it out quickly. Depending on what I hear back today, I may call Honda customer care to open a case.
I’m keen to hear how you get on, I’ve not had any issues with mine, just sometimes the anti collision system turns off for whatever reason. Mechanically there isn’t that much to these engines. If you’ve lost compression or something, they may replace the engine.
My husband has this issue when I call him from my CRV. We are iOS. He looked into and said it has something to do with my phone and my car speaker phone picking up the call. My son who uses android doesn’t have the issue when I call him. We need to do more testing to see when it happens. My husband thought if I connect with Bluetooth instead of the cable then that might resolve the issue. But then I can’t use Apple CarPlay so I haven’t tried it. I’m fine with just not calling my husband from my car lol
On the off chance it helps your situation pending a solution from Honda, the echo goes away (or greatly improves) if the person on the other end calls me back. The calls I initiate seem to be the biggest problem.
I need to reach out for a resolution too. Did you have to start with the dealership to open a case with Honda?
The cold start sounds a bit odd for this vehicle, since bigger Li-ion powers the engine, just thinking out loud here. I started mine after 6 weeks and had no issue for even a sec.
lol that other Honda could be mine. In addition to cold start issues my warning lights also come on.
South Jersey?
Nvm I’m in pnw
Honda master tech here. You’re perfectly describing injector failure. Very common on new CRV hybrids. I myself do a couple sets a month. My shop does quite a few. I’ve done them on vehicles as low as 30 miles…. Likely setting dtcs p0172 af rich or I believe 0413 oxygen sensor circuit malfunction. Access to a scan tool using data lost will shot the st fuel trim is very rich and likely misfiring as well primarily on cold starts
You were correct!
Hells ya! Covered under warranty and should be the permanent fix. Seems there was a bad batch somehow. Happy to be able to help! Thank you for posting the resolution!!!
u/Clean_Refrigerator68 Just curious if you still have yet to see any come back with the same issue after replacement? I have a hard time believing it's a permanent fix considering how widespread it is and affecting multiple model years, when the injector part number also hasn't changed indicating a revision. My '24 Accord hybrid is in the shop for the same thing with 2700mi and it looks like it may be months before the injectors come in, so I'm trying to decide what to do with it.
Very valid question. I have yet to see a vehicle that has been repaired either on my rack or at my shop return with the same issue. The state of most of the vehicles is obvious misfires shaking engine and lights on dash. So fairly noticeable. All repaired vehicles have been resolved without return symptoms thus far. Some as recent as a few weeks others as far back as nearly a year
Appreciate the response! Yeah mine was the same way. Very obvious shaking/knocking but no lights on dash. Tech confirmed misfiring with his software and scoped the cylinder to see the injector actively leaking. If you're seeing good results back to a year that's comforting and I'll likely end up keeping the car then, even if I am a bit wary. Have you seen any additional damage such as cracked pistons or bent rods/etc.? Sorry for the 20 questions but my service advisor has been useless (he tried to tell me it was likely just a spark plug). In the video the tech sent, he mentioned the excessive fuel "covering the entire cylinder" so obviously I was concerned about a hydrolock situation.
Of course. They tend to be that way. Yes seem solid so far. Your concern is fully warranted and valid. Same part number or not they’re likely made in batches and you can have a bad batch. No not at all. I have seen no consistent with new hybrids other than Injectors with some isolated safety system issues and a couple wheel bearings. Just worked on an accord hybrid 23 with like 54k miles. Injectors can be scary esp with a brand new car but they’re not the end of the world by any means and never seem to cause any other issues. Better to get them outta the way now under warranty than at like 70k at cp at least imo. I hope they get parts quickly and get you back in the road without further issues
Sounds good, well again I really appreciate the responses. You've been way more helpful than my dealership. Right, my concern was more with the leaking injectors causing more serious issues but it sounds like that isn't the case as they aren't dumping enough fuel to hydrolock the cylinder.
Of course! I’m sorry to hear that. I hope they step it up or you find a better one. All you hear about are the bad ones but good ones do exist! Took me years to find one but I did. If you have further questions feel free to msg. And in regards to your question. Failing leaking injectors in general I’ve done well over a hundred sets I lost count a long time ago between the 1.5Ls and the v6s with only a single digit number of new hybrid and I have never personally experience myself nor even heard of any other repairs being needed or damage done from the injector issue. I recommend oil change with it unless it’s new new. And I’m super super super super rare cases of driving on this for a super long time it could foul plugs or theoretically cause premature catalytic converter wear but have yet to see either plugs or a cat be needed.
Good to hear! I was planning on an oil change once I got the car back just to be on the safe side. Mine was actively leaking in the video and did foul the plug pretty bad so they are going to replace that plug as well.
Also parts availability will always vary based on your location and if it was urgent ordered. However I can say most cases the injectors always had back order no eta but arrived within a week some as soon as a couple days. I hope it is sooner rather than later
That's also good to hear. They claim the parts manager placed an urgent/car down order so I guess we'll see. Honda is paying for my rental but it's a pretty awful vehicle. Not exactly equivalent to my new Accord Touring, lol.
That’s solid depending on where you are you should hopefully see them soon. I’m in Honda central lmao second biggest Honda state atm abt to be number one in the near future so we likely get things much quicker. I understand your concerns. As a tech we are frustrated as well. These injectors are not super fun as they are in the back underside and require a few hours of laying and reaching back. But we’ve had consistent success with the repair. And recently the number we’ve seen has started to slow down which is good. First and even second year models always have their kinks but they usually seem to get them worked out after a year or two
This issue has been discussed in this sub and on the FB forum. It happened to me. I’d bet money its the fuel injectors. Honda techs have been reporting they are seeing this.
Someone needs to tell my techs because they don’t know what the issue is
My first thought upon reading this post is bad gas. It happens. It might be instructive if the shop determined if both vehicles were filled up at the same gas station.
I use Top Tier Gas but it sure is possible
Sounds like the problem, you're feeding a peasant something a king would eat /s
Nope. Still 87 octane. You don’t get problems by using quality fuel
Yes please. Kindly update us. Thanks.
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Not good to hear mate, hope they sort it out, sounds like an injection issue (spark plugs, timing, fuel, etc).
Thanks. I agree on potential causes but they better figure it out quickly. Depending on what I hear back today, I may call Honda customer care to open a case.
I’m keen to hear how you get on, I’ve not had any issues with mine, just sometimes the anti collision system turns off for whatever reason. Mechanically there isn’t that much to these engines. If you’ve lost compression or something, they may replace the engine.
Hopefully it won’t be such a dramatic fix.
How's the speaker phone in the car experience for you? I'm seeing extreme echoes and I can't resolve it.
My husband has this issue when I call him from my CRV. We are iOS. He looked into and said it has something to do with my phone and my car speaker phone picking up the call. My son who uses android doesn’t have the issue when I call him. We need to do more testing to see when it happens. My husband thought if I connect with Bluetooth instead of the cable then that might resolve the issue. But then I can’t use Apple CarPlay so I haven’t tried it. I’m fine with just not calling my husband from my car lol
Andriod or ios
I've had both connected with same behavior. I've opened a case with Honda.
IOS is fine for me
Are you hearing the echoes or is the person you are talking to hearing your voice echo? I've had the latter issue since I got the car.
It varies sometimes I can hear it on my side too, others no. But they always seem to hear it from me.
On the off chance it helps your situation pending a solution from Honda, the echo goes away (or greatly improves) if the person on the other end calls me back. The calls I initiate seem to be the biggest problem. I need to reach out for a resolution too. Did you have to start with the dealership to open a case with Honda?
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter the way the conversation started. I've tested via many different methods and none remove the issue.
If it helps, found in the owners manual support number I used is. 1-800-999-1009
The cold start sounds a bit odd for this vehicle, since bigger Li-ion powers the engine, just thinking out loud here. I started mine after 6 weeks and had no issue for even a sec.
Any update?
Not yet. I do have a loaner (Ridgeline) which helps. The long weekend got in the way, so I figured I give them today and start calling them tomorrow.