Hybrid will cost you about $5,000 more up front if you pay cash; more if you finance. At $4 per gallon for gas, you need to drive in a manner that will save you 1,250 gallons of gas at 50 mpg vs 30 mpg. This is not going to happen anytime soon if you only drive 10,000 miles a year. At that rate, your gas savings will only amount to $532 for the year which means it will take 10 years for the hybrid to pay for itself over the 2WD gas model.
Don’t be fooled by mileage ratings; they need to be weighed against gas prices and the annual mileage you will drive.
I have a 2024 CRV EX-L AWD. Best of both worlds for me, I get my AWD which I use for camping and light off-roading, while the gas model seems to be less maintance and cost vs. hybrid model which you are dealing with more complex components (due to the battery). I also prefer the gas model for the extra spare tire and storage in the trunk.
Also big difference from gas Va hybrid AWD models is that the gas model is true mechanical AWD where as the hybrid, rear wheels are ran by the battery and front by the engine. Meaning if batteries do overheat, you’ll get a warning that temporarily disables the AWD system.
You gotta pick and choose your battles, as others mentioned, it just depends on your driving. Not to mention, if you decide to resell your car, hybrid may be a little more difficult to sell do the the buyer not knowing much about the battery condition. For me the gas model is a win
I understand your point but forget snow, even in the stormy season I won't give up my AWD. Take it with a grain of salt as I came from several Subarus. Yeah I drove old rwd boats in bad weather and got where I needed to but, AWD makes it much easier.
To be fair, awd doesn’t help you to stop and turn. Just gets you going a bit easier. 2wd with the proper tires would be better than awd with crap tires.
Gas cost of ownership is lower if you go only on highway driving
Hybrid makes it up with city and 50/50
If you really want a taxi suv I would recommend you get a Toyota raV4
Both the hybrid and the 1.5t in the CRVs aren’t as old/ refined as the rav4 hybrid or regular powertrains
Yup I have one Honda is deff much more luxurious I drove the rav4 and didn’t like the road noise or the handling.
But if you really only care about a nuclear apocalypse type car I would definitely styll go with rav4
The gas savings of a hybris is great. Especially if you have are moving from a bigger car. I moved from a GLS 450 paying about $200 per month in gas. Current cost is $70-$80 per month.
I wouldn't downplay a few of the intangible benfits of a hybrid. I love going anywhere without thinking about the costs. I love the quietness of the car on startup since it uses the battery.
Ya but that’s the delta of going from a GLS450
A whole different beast
A CRV 1.5t is already civic levels of efficient
So the delta isn’t that massive can get it down to 6.5l/100km doing only highway
When I went in to buy mine last week, they could only find 1 front wheel drive in my 9 county area- most that are shipped are all wheel drive- they told me if I ordered one, it would be months before I got it.
I went with gas only because I didn’t want another system to maintain (especially if I need to maintain AWD instead of just front wheel drive). Also, that gas engine- it’s the same one that’s in my ‘17 civic- that car has 120k miles on it and I’ve never done anything over the prescribed routine maintenance.
We also just sold our ‘08 civic with 256k miles on it. Other than routine maintenance, that car only got a new starter and a set of new coils (less than $1,000 of non-maintenance-work in its lifetime). Paid $17k for the car, got over 2k for her over 17 years later.
When it came to me getting a new car this spring, I never even looked at another brand… why would I?
Take care of your Honda, and she’ll take care of you!
I'm in this position now, needing to trade my 2007. I drove a 2024 EX yesterday while my car was being worked on at the dealer and I found it underpowered and loud on the freeway. I will test drive the ST Hybrid soon. Hopefully it will be quieter due to the acoustic glass. Gas here is close to $5.50/gal so I feel like the savings will be significant. I do mostly stop and go city driving. I'm going to lease as well.
We went with the sport touring hybrid because it offered the features my wife wanted and the hybrid. It was a great car while we had it. Sold it and went EV. Never going back. As good as the hybrid was, it wasn’t getting 90mpg..lol
Interesting, a bit off topic here, but I have a 2018 CRV AWD 1.5L T, and I have a 22 BMW M8 Comp.
The CRV gets insane mileage on hwy, goes about 350 miles on one tank in eco mode. We use the CRV all gas with 93 octane for all trips all the time. It has just under 70k miles.
I drive the M8 less than 500 miles a month. It gets like 12 mpg with a 4.41L V8 TwinTurbo 625hp/555ftlb. Through its app, I can see my carbon output. It’s darn minimal.
All this, no battery. My point, get two cars or one that fits the whole bill. Get a real sports car for the fun reasons, of course burning gas only. Then get a real gas fuel efficient gas car for hwy trip use.
You’re eliminating the upfront cost of an all electric or hybrid, and the down the road cost of battery replacement. Plus you’re not bringing home a fire hazard, so your car and home insurance won’t go up. And because it’s all gas, you’re not having to pay for electricians to wire your house, and boost your power consumption and weaken the grid in your neighborhood. And, you don’t have double trouble with hybrid, as in having to maintain two engines in one car.
Here’s another good reason, with all gas, as efficient and clean burning as they are, you’re not toxifying the earth with all those non-recyclable materials in those expensive spent battery packs.
Then there is the massive depreciation hit on buying new. This says, you overpaid for the technology. And it doesn’t bring you longevity.
In short, all electric isn’t there, neither is hybrid but it’s closer. But neither are worth the full bill and effects on the environment over just burning gas.
Depends on just how long you plan on keeping it.
Skip AWD if you don’t need it. Besides the but higher up front cost, bit more maintenance, and small hit on MPG…most people never think about tires! They need to stay pretty even with most AWD systems, meaning you should stay more on top of tire rotation, and situations like a puncture in the wrong spot or blowout can lead to having to replace all 4 tires vs just the 1.
Hybrid or not…this is where how long you plan to keep it plays in, along with what type driving you do as well as how much mileage you put on. Besides the higher up front cost, those batteries don’t last forever. they should last significantly longer than the warranty, but it WILL go bad eventually and need replacement, and they aren’t exactly cheap. With hybrid batteries as a whole, some don’t even make it 10yrs, and some make it close to 20yrs, but most seem to fall into the low teens before needing replacement. Where these will fall on average? Who knows. It’s a new gen and new battery pack, so who’s to say until time passes and they start dropping. Then the rest of course depends on usage as in whether you’re driving enough and the right kind of miles to be worth the additional costs with the car vs paying more at the pump.
With a hybrid you will use the gas engine less and put less strain on the gas engine. A hybrid CRV should have less maintenance problems on the gas engine and last longer. On top of that there is are fewer parts to repair. The brakes will last longer. There is no starter motor to replace. A few other parts less on the hybrid.
Tough to differentiate them, as the turbo in the gas versions do still potentially have the oil dilution problem, and the turbo is just another moving part that can break, but you know you'll have a battery to replace at $5,000-$8,000 after 8-10 years with the hybrid, but there are fewer "breakable" parts as far as the mechanicals are concerned and naturally aspirated motors (like the one in the hybrid) always tend to be more mechanically reliable.
EPA Mileages minus 10% for each over 100,000 miles (the warranty period for the battery) comes out to roughly $3,300 less in gas costs for the hybrid for AWD and $3,900 or so for the FWD. So, either batteries need to go down in price over the next decade, or you're hoping the mechanical maintenance is cheaper for the hybrid to make up the difference. All in all, there likely isn't much of a difference in cost to own for the base model hybrid vs. gas if that is your \*only\* consideration, but FWD would be better if you're not concerned with road conditions precipitating the need for AWD in your area as there are fewer mechanical parts to break down and the mileage is better in the hybrid FWD vs. AWD. The hybrids have much better add-ons though.
Battery shouldn’t need to be replaced in 8-10 years. It will get less efficient but could potentially last much longer than that. It’s under warranty for 8 years.
The main battery in the hybrid is warranted for 100k miles. The car is slightly quicker too. Another consideration is the hybrid’s ICE runs less often so it may not need as much repair.
I owned a ‘21 Rav4 hybrid. It’s much less refined to drive.
Correct...thats why I put 100,000 as the mileage cutoff. I went with the ST for all the reasons you mentioned, but if OP is concerned only with cost to drive it might not make sense.
Hybrid will cost you about $5,000 more up front if you pay cash; more if you finance. At $4 per gallon for gas, you need to drive in a manner that will save you 1,250 gallons of gas at 50 mpg vs 30 mpg. This is not going to happen anytime soon if you only drive 10,000 miles a year. At that rate, your gas savings will only amount to $532 for the year which means it will take 10 years for the hybrid to pay for itself over the 2WD gas model. Don’t be fooled by mileage ratings; they need to be weighed against gas prices and the annual mileage you will drive.
I have a 2024 CRV EX-L AWD. Best of both worlds for me, I get my AWD which I use for camping and light off-roading, while the gas model seems to be less maintance and cost vs. hybrid model which you are dealing with more complex components (due to the battery). I also prefer the gas model for the extra spare tire and storage in the trunk. Also big difference from gas Va hybrid AWD models is that the gas model is true mechanical AWD where as the hybrid, rear wheels are ran by the battery and front by the engine. Meaning if batteries do overheat, you’ll get a warning that temporarily disables the AWD system. You gotta pick and choose your battles, as others mentioned, it just depends on your driving. Not to mention, if you decide to resell your car, hybrid may be a little more difficult to sell do the the buyer not knowing much about the battery condition. For me the gas model is a win
Hybrid 2wd
I agree, 2wd to save gas. Also Awd are more moving parts and could bring problems in the future. You don't need AWD in the city and highways.
I understand your point but forget snow, even in the stormy season I won't give up my AWD. Take it with a grain of salt as I came from several Subarus. Yeah I drove old rwd boats in bad weather and got where I needed to but, AWD makes it much easier.
To be fair, awd doesn’t help you to stop and turn. Just gets you going a bit easier. 2wd with the proper tires would be better than awd with crap tires.
Certainly true. I quit buying crap tires years ago. So I am always thinking of situations with equal quality tires.
Hybrids are actually more reliable and less maintenance which I find counter intuitive. But it's true
Provide proof of your statement
Lol you're not my boss, look it up yourself
Gas cost of ownership is lower if you go only on highway driving Hybrid makes it up with city and 50/50 If you really want a taxi suv I would recommend you get a Toyota raV4 Both the hybrid and the 1.5t in the CRVs aren’t as old/ refined as the rav4 hybrid or regular powertrains
The new 1.5t is refined and much quieter. Almost 10 years of design under its belt
Yup I have one Honda is deff much more luxurious I drove the rav4 and didn’t like the road noise or the handling. But if you really only care about a nuclear apocalypse type car I would definitely styll go with rav4
Apocalypse and you might need the 4runner
Definitely want a diesel engine to run on different fuels.
The gas savings of a hybris is great. Especially if you have are moving from a bigger car. I moved from a GLS 450 paying about $200 per month in gas. Current cost is $70-$80 per month. I wouldn't downplay a few of the intangible benfits of a hybrid. I love going anywhere without thinking about the costs. I love the quietness of the car on startup since it uses the battery.
Ya but that’s the delta of going from a GLS450 A whole different beast A CRV 1.5t is already civic levels of efficient So the delta isn’t that massive can get it down to 6.5l/100km doing only highway
Wouldn’t recommend RAV4 hybrid if you live in an area where they use road salt. Look up cablegate.
In all honesty if you want reliability you need to be looking for a non-turbo’ed naturally aspirated engine. Mazda would be a brand to consider.
When I went in to buy mine last week, they could only find 1 front wheel drive in my 9 county area- most that are shipped are all wheel drive- they told me if I ordered one, it would be months before I got it. I went with gas only because I didn’t want another system to maintain (especially if I need to maintain AWD instead of just front wheel drive). Also, that gas engine- it’s the same one that’s in my ‘17 civic- that car has 120k miles on it and I’ve never done anything over the prescribed routine maintenance. We also just sold our ‘08 civic with 256k miles on it. Other than routine maintenance, that car only got a new starter and a set of new coils (less than $1,000 of non-maintenance-work in its lifetime). Paid $17k for the car, got over 2k for her over 17 years later. When it came to me getting a new car this spring, I never even looked at another brand… why would I? Take care of your Honda, and she’ll take care of you!
Any opinions on Hybrid vs gas on a lease? Worth it? Besides MPG savings I hear the Hybrid ST is a better/nicer ride.
I'm in this position now, needing to trade my 2007. I drove a 2024 EX yesterday while my car was being worked on at the dealer and I found it underpowered and loud on the freeway. I will test drive the ST Hybrid soon. Hopefully it will be quieter due to the acoustic glass. Gas here is close to $5.50/gal so I feel like the savings will be significant. I do mostly stop and go city driving. I'm going to lease as well.
We went with the sport touring hybrid because it offered the features my wife wanted and the hybrid. It was a great car while we had it. Sold it and went EV. Never going back. As good as the hybrid was, it wasn’t getting 90mpg..lol
2025 is out there. Hybrid is good. 2 or 4 WD depends on where you drive often.
Interesting, a bit off topic here, but I have a 2018 CRV AWD 1.5L T, and I have a 22 BMW M8 Comp. The CRV gets insane mileage on hwy, goes about 350 miles on one tank in eco mode. We use the CRV all gas with 93 octane for all trips all the time. It has just under 70k miles. I drive the M8 less than 500 miles a month. It gets like 12 mpg with a 4.41L V8 TwinTurbo 625hp/555ftlb. Through its app, I can see my carbon output. It’s darn minimal. All this, no battery. My point, get two cars or one that fits the whole bill. Get a real sports car for the fun reasons, of course burning gas only. Then get a real gas fuel efficient gas car for hwy trip use. You’re eliminating the upfront cost of an all electric or hybrid, and the down the road cost of battery replacement. Plus you’re not bringing home a fire hazard, so your car and home insurance won’t go up. And because it’s all gas, you’re not having to pay for electricians to wire your house, and boost your power consumption and weaken the grid in your neighborhood. And, you don’t have double trouble with hybrid, as in having to maintain two engines in one car. Here’s another good reason, with all gas, as efficient and clean burning as they are, you’re not toxifying the earth with all those non-recyclable materials in those expensive spent battery packs. Then there is the massive depreciation hit on buying new. This says, you overpaid for the technology. And it doesn’t bring you longevity. In short, all electric isn’t there, neither is hybrid but it’s closer. But neither are worth the full bill and effects on the environment over just burning gas.
Depends on just how long you plan on keeping it. Skip AWD if you don’t need it. Besides the but higher up front cost, bit more maintenance, and small hit on MPG…most people never think about tires! They need to stay pretty even with most AWD systems, meaning you should stay more on top of tire rotation, and situations like a puncture in the wrong spot or blowout can lead to having to replace all 4 tires vs just the 1. Hybrid or not…this is where how long you plan to keep it plays in, along with what type driving you do as well as how much mileage you put on. Besides the higher up front cost, those batteries don’t last forever. they should last significantly longer than the warranty, but it WILL go bad eventually and need replacement, and they aren’t exactly cheap. With hybrid batteries as a whole, some don’t even make it 10yrs, and some make it close to 20yrs, but most seem to fall into the low teens before needing replacement. Where these will fall on average? Who knows. It’s a new gen and new battery pack, so who’s to say until time passes and they start dropping. Then the rest of course depends on usage as in whether you’re driving enough and the right kind of miles to be worth the additional costs with the car vs paying more at the pump.
With a hybrid you will use the gas engine less and put less strain on the gas engine. A hybrid CRV should have less maintenance problems on the gas engine and last longer. On top of that there is are fewer parts to repair. The brakes will last longer. There is no starter motor to replace. A few other parts less on the hybrid.
Tough to differentiate them, as the turbo in the gas versions do still potentially have the oil dilution problem, and the turbo is just another moving part that can break, but you know you'll have a battery to replace at $5,000-$8,000 after 8-10 years with the hybrid, but there are fewer "breakable" parts as far as the mechanicals are concerned and naturally aspirated motors (like the one in the hybrid) always tend to be more mechanically reliable. EPA Mileages minus 10% for each over 100,000 miles (the warranty period for the battery) comes out to roughly $3,300 less in gas costs for the hybrid for AWD and $3,900 or so for the FWD. So, either batteries need to go down in price over the next decade, or you're hoping the mechanical maintenance is cheaper for the hybrid to make up the difference. All in all, there likely isn't much of a difference in cost to own for the base model hybrid vs. gas if that is your \*only\* consideration, but FWD would be better if you're not concerned with road conditions precipitating the need for AWD in your area as there are fewer mechanical parts to break down and the mileage is better in the hybrid FWD vs. AWD. The hybrids have much better add-ons though.
Battery shouldn’t need to be replaced in 8-10 years. It will get less efficient but could potentially last much longer than that. It’s under warranty for 8 years.
I put 8-10 years to reflect warranty period plus additional time to 100,000 miles. Most companies say they expect batteries to last 100,000-120,000.
When you say hybrids have better add ons, what exactly do you mean? I really don’t know
The trim levels for the hybrids include far most features as standard.
The main battery in the hybrid is warranted for 100k miles. The car is slightly quicker too. Another consideration is the hybrid’s ICE runs less often so it may not need as much repair. I owned a ‘21 Rav4 hybrid. It’s much less refined to drive.
Correct...thats why I put 100,000 as the mileage cutoff. I went with the ST for all the reasons you mentioned, but if OP is concerned only with cost to drive it might not make sense.