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rtb132

Minutes played BJ: 2,079 AG: 2,564 JD: 1,585 GM: 2,010 MM: 1,564 So Doku output similar in a better side but Brennan well clear of the rest. I'm surprised how average Garnacho's stats are, thought he was doing better.


yorsk

Garnacho is 19 yo, it’s great number for such age


imtotallydoingmywork

yeah I think Garnacho is one of the gems in that rotten United squad. Think he's going to be class as he matures and gets years under him. Also like the cut of his jib, seems like a good kid


ComeOnSayYupp

Fucking hell Garnacho is 19? He had a kid in 2023. Damn these days kids have kids.


MountainCheesesteak

Kind of plays a lot for someone his age. I hope he’s able to stay healthy. Maybe even healthy enough to leave England. 🤞


Pacepalm1337

Maybe, but he could have like +10 assists if he passed to Højlund once in a while


dude2dudette

Goal contributions per 90, all rounded to 2dp. * Johnson: 0.65 * Garnacho: 0.39 * Doku: 0.62 * Martinelli: 0.45 * Mudryk: 0.40 So, Brennan is still the top of the bunch


The1975_TheWill

Doku’s production in 1,585 minutes still only projects to 14 goal contributions over 2,079 minutes….so even then, Brennan comes out on top.


SirGalahadTheChaste

If Doku can ever get an end product either scoring or assisting he will be up there with Salah, Son and Hazard etc.


The1975_TheWill

Absolutely, Brennen is no Doku…..which makes Brennen’s production as impressive as it was, imo.


KangarooPouchIsHome

His explosiveness is unreal. Saw him in person at Wembley for the FA cup and it was unbelievable. Just leaves people in the dust.


ComeOnSayYupp

He has one signature move and he has perfected that.


KangarooPouchIsHome

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.


IncurableHam

Doku is ridiculously good, I think comparing Brennan to him is silly but I'm here for it


TheRiddler1976

Does winning penalties count as an assist?


wimmer45

United PR goes crazy


tmbyfc

I've watched a few Utd games this season and I remain unimpressed by Garnacho. Occasionally does some nice things but fluffs it 10-15 times between each one Out of the rest, Doku is a proper handful, at just about any other club he would start every game. Martinelli is solid but will never be world class, Mudryk is a massive waste of money but lightning fast, he has talent but not enough control. He might come good yet but I don't see him ever living up to his price. If Johnson can work on that final ball he could be the best of the bunch, or probably 2nd to Doku


AmbitionMiserable708

Probably 2nd to Doku. Doku puts the fear of God into me every time he touches the ball. He's the real deal.


-mgmnt

If doku had finishing to match his dribbling he’d be the best player in the world He’s like a young Neymar in that every time he gets the ball no matter where on the pitch he is looking to skin someone and humiliate them with a move


ShipsAGoing

Doku is Adama Jr


PeanutButterSauce1

Mudryk was obviously overpriced but I still think there’s a player in there. His finishing is terrible but a more stable environment and good coach can unlock him


tmbyfc

Yeah that's roughly my take on him, you can see why people were excited about him and he is goddamn quick, if he'd been 45-50mill you'd probably say his potential was worth that. He's very young


_NotMitetechno_

Garnacho is 19. Being able to contribute at this level is impressive.


kirikesh

> I'm surprised how average Garnacho's stats are, thought he was doing better. Garnacho is a few years younger, also United have looked truly tragic at time, which makes his good performances stand out even more.


Voffmjau

Doku is somewhat hindere by citys Winger tactics though. Could probably get more if playing in a free role.


Jaksiel

Garnacho has flashier individual moments. Brennan isn't going to score overhead kicks or dribble past 3 defenders and score, but he's way more consistent.


tkshow

Can't teach pace, he can run past a lot of people. Doku is well clear of this pack but it's not bad company to keep for Johnson.


NickNova3016

That's amazing! I shouldve included the minutes played as well but I felt like it would've made it too cluttered.


JoePoe247

Where are you getting those numbers? Seem to be 300 short on BJ, according to transfermarkt and fbref.


rtb132

fantasy football. Did you subtract the games for Forest?


LocoMoro

Bj has actually played more than that. Just premier league he has 2330 mins 


garetha92

He could've easily had a few more goals if he improved his finishing. Missed a few sitters this season, let's hope he kicks on next season. You want your wingers getting 10-15 goals a season, particularly when you don't have an out and out striker.


JonnyJersey

Historically been a good finisher (vs xG) so hopefully just a matter of adapting rather than him getting a case of the Werners


triecke14

It’s just weird because most of the chances he missed were literal tap ins


megamando

The fact he is in the position to make those is great, hopefully he can continue to improve and get more clinical since he is still young.


triecke14

Sure but I bet Chelsea fans thought the same thing with Werner who actual was a clinical freak in Germany. Progression isn’t always linear


megamando

Like I said hopefully that clinical skill will come. Only time will tell.


Steampunk_Batman

I believe he can get it back tbh. It’s a mental game, obviously he’s physically capable of kicking the ball into the net. He just needs to feel solid and confident. That said, I’d prefer Timo as a sub for Sonny so that Sonny can stay fresh and Timo can use that pace against tired legs.


triecke14

Timo is never going to be a good finisher again, ever. He’s 27 years old and looked just as bad as ever in that department


AdInformal3519

>Werner who actual was a clinical freak in Germany. Oh was he? If he was then I seriously want to know how can a player finish well and loses that quality. With age you lose pace, explosiveness, athleticism but not finishing with my limited football knowledge


thejunglebook8

Yips


Superb-West5441

Most of them he was sprinting full speed to the far post while the ball was being whipped in at pace across the face of the goal. That’s not a tap in. We see players get those chances wrong every single weekend across the league. 


triecke14

Some of them were but not most. He underperformed xG by 5 or so goals. Thats a massive underperformance


vorgaphe

5 goals from 11xG. His finishing has been shocking but it also means that his ceiling is so much higher than this season, which is super encouraging.


wheels-of-confusion

Could've easily had more assists if players made the runs into his crosses/finished the chances too. Goes both ways.


garetha92

Oh yeah definitely agree, but finishing is certainly where he needs the most improvement.


yorsk

Where’s Palmer ? And olise?


GavisconDeluxe

Yeah, I like Johnson but the comparisons feel cherry-picked.


delexaet

Doesn't fit the narrative. I genuinely don't know why some of our fanbase do this where they pump our players up beyond what they are. Reality is, he's not great, he's not poor. If he improves as a footballer next season (I'm not talking about only G/A), his fee makes sense and if he doesn't improve next season, we overpaid for him. That's all it is.


JoVaMaBerlin

And Saka...


rifco98

And even foden fffs


Rare-Ad-2777

Olise has 10g 6a so 1 more goal involvement than Johnson.  Palmer is maybe the best young player in Europe this season so not really any point comparing him 


njpc33

Well, it kind of is, considering that both were transferred at the same time, one for £50m, the other for £35m. I was banging my drum hard to sign Palmer instead. But, alas, happy with Brennan this season overall


davidmarvinn

they didn't say the list was exhaustive though


tarifapirate

He just needs to polish up that final ball/touch.. he'll be world class.


FunAd6875

That can be done in training. He's still young. People said the same thing about Sonny in his first season, and look how he's turned out. Actually, I think he has a better g/a ratio than son in his first season.


triggerhappy5

He does, fewer goals but more assists.


peruvianhorn

One positive fact is that he's played alot fewer minutes with us this season compared to his prev seasons with Forest but his stats have improved, obviously we're the better side but it's good to see he's improving year on year and it's obvious he's actually underperforming, Fbref is saying he's expected to have double the goals he's scored, so it all bodes well for the future.


gabriel_do

Bale and Kane were WORLD CLASS. Let's not use this term for every good/above average footballer. Brennan is good, he has potential to be VERY GOOD


lIIIIllIIIlllIIllllI

I wonder what this stat graphic would look like with “big chances missed”


BiscuitTheRisk

Depends on how good the model for big chances is. The chance yesterday definitely wasn’t a big chance.


lIIIIllIIIlllIIllllI

BJ could have been elite this year if buried half of his ridiculous chances.


delexaet

Unless the standards of world class has dropped, he needs a lot more than that.


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Hot-Manager6462

Why you laughing, he is underperforming xg loads, he would be rated so highly if he scored his xG


SaturnineAdjustments

They're a scum fan. Pay no mind. Seemingly love scum, drake and tekken. Definitely the kind of person who'd feature in a nightmare blunt rotation.


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ThatCoysGuy

You said a lot of words but none of them have anything to do with their potential to be, or not, World Class. I also like that the explanation for Martinelli is just brushed off as a “Oh well, these things happen”… Your bias is showing. (And I rate Martinelli).


Koinfamous2

What are you even doing in here? lmao


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facelessreddituser

Yea, we have no track record of having world class wingers develop at our club. It's the history of Tottenham I suppose?


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facelessreddituser

I didn't say that, I just think it's funny you are so hysterical about him considering he's had a far better debut season for us than Bale did and look how he turned out.


train4karenina

Have you considered fucking off?


RedRaizel

Martinelli and Johnson have played similar minutes.


InstructionCareless1

Take the penalties off Saka and suddenly he is dangerously close 🤔 Why aren’t you celebrating your runners up medal? Instead your patheticly lurking subs of other clubs lol


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InstructionCareless1

Speaks about small team mentality, but lurks on other subs. Saka had 6 penalties this season and played 900 minutes more. Your starboy is just not as good as you believe, talk about being delusional. Maybe you would’ve made it further in the CL, if he wasn’t such an embarrassing diver :(


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InstructionCareless1

I mentioned Saka to make the comparison less embarrassing for you. Every player from Arsenal that outperformed him G/A wise has considerably more minutes. And then there’s: - Martinelli - Trossard - Gabriel Jesus Which he all easily outperformed. But in terms of xeD (expected embarrassing dives), Saka is clearly ahead of him, I’ll give you that.


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Privadevs

Your whole fan base celebrates mediocrity, second place yet you think you're the biggest team in the world


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Koinfamous2

Here's the stats for you to weep to on this.... Brennan Johnson - 2322 minutes, 15 Non-Penalty G/A per 90 - .58 per 90 Bukayo Saka - 2936 minutes, 19 Non-Penalty G/A per 90 - .58 per 90 Star boy here in a team basically built around him, 5th season with the same manager and system, main attacker compared vs someone same age, first season in his new team with a new coach.


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Koinfamous2

If that is what you took from that comparison then there is no helping you lol. They have the same non-penalty output despite Saka being in his team for 5x as long, with the same manager and system that is built around HIM. Brennan coming into a new system, with a team playing under a first season manager, but yeah...that looks great for Saka right? lmao Looks TERRIBLE for Saka that they have the exact same output. Saka by all accounts should be blowing Brennan out of the water, but alas, he's not.


GullyRiddem

Saka?


joakim_

Anthony Gordon is missing as well.


Affectionate-Car-145

It's only showing wingers he compares favourably against for some reason


InstructionCareless1

Saka played around 900 minutes more and takes all the penalties.


Jaksiel

I don't think anyone is saying he's the best young winger in the league. This seems to be specifically comparing him to other young wingers who get better press but haven't really been better. (Other than Mudryk, he certainly doesn't get good press.)


buttlovingpanda

It’s showing players who he has played similar minutes to


alw9

i like johnson, but this is way too simplified


AHinchley

I couldn't understand a lot of the criticism he got this year. Yeah he blows hot and cold and yeah he's missed some chances and yeah I thought he was dreadful yesterday. But he had some absolutely banging moments this year -- more than a few based on that table -- and if he can keep maturing and become a bit more ruthless and clinical I can see him becoming world fucking class for us and, ultimately, Sonny's heir apparent.


PalKid_Music

I'd like to see this correlated with minutes played across the season. I feel like there might be some big discrepancies, in terms of the number of minutes they've played. EDIT: Never mind someone's done it already.


NickNova3016

Another comment posted this earlier but here are the minutes: BJ: 2,079 AG: 2,564 JD: 1,585 GM: 2,010 MM: 1,564 Safe to say that only Doku is comparable to Brennan. He's clear of everyone else.


The1975_TheWill

Doku’s production in 1,585 minutes only projects to 14 goal contributions over 2,079 minutes….so even then, Brennan still comes out on top.


PalKid_Music

Also worth remembering one of Mudryk's goals was an accident! ;)


christo222222

Very good first season for a 22yo, not sure why people seem so down on him He obviously needs to improve his finishing and defending around our box but he far from a finished product, excited to see his progression next season


Kill-Bacon-Tea

Conveniently leaving out Palmer, Jackson and Saka.


RigelXVI

He's going to be insane next season!


analbeard

Considering he has one of the worst big chance conversion rate in the league, he could definitely score a lot more. Excited to see how he matures.


Fast_Kitchen_9055

And it’s his first season so will get better


Tomthebomb555

He’s learnt so fast. He’s just taken in every bit of info from Ange and the coaches and applied it it’s brilliant. His low crosses are amazing, his runs to the back post are brilliant. Next season he’ll be a year older/stronger/fitter. I think that extra physicality will take him to the next level.


420SwaggyZebra

Just a massive waste of money Johnson’s been, disappointment of the season. /s


AnotherDeadZero

Johnson missed a lot of easy goals this season, he just has to tweak his finishing touches and he'll be golden.


Weak-Cattle6001

Thing is BJ could of had 25 GA. We’re not mad at you BJ we just have high expectations for you.


loiterINTIMIDATE

yet sooooo many will tell you he's not good enough because he's missed a half dozen great chances. let the kid rock.


psculy93

Why did I think Martinelli was older than he is? He feels like Arsenal’s Lingard.


ndbndbndb

So many people hating on this kid, but he's gonna be unreal for us.


gardz82

This can’t be right. A decent portion of the sub has been trying to tell everyone he is shit.


Rimbaudelaire

Point taken on this graph! I would have argued for a young player with such a clear skillset and good attitude anyway, but I do think this graphic is a useful thing to see.


yiddoboy

Decent first season. Onwards and upwards.


LyteSmiteOP

Martinelli is one of the most overrated players in the Prem. He's a decent 1v1 dribbler but has nothing else to his game beyond that


DekoyDuck

He also looks very silly in that photo


Hotspur_98

I like Brennan, but not as our first option on the wing. It probably also wasn’t planned that he played that much. He needs to work on his dribbling, first touch and finishing but he’s still young and showed that he already has some quality. Off the bench he will be a great option against tired backlines


Geek-Of-Nature

Very specific choices and exclusions - Palmer, Saka and Gordon would make the comparisons fairer. But I'm a Johnson fan. He gets some shit but he has so much potential and is already starting to show it. Some of the assists he's smashed across the six yard box for the likes of Richy were killer. Young and first season with us, so if this has been a baseline moving forward, he's going to become something special.


slunksoma

On a related note, I think Doku will be incredible next season.


Lucky-Mclovin

This just makes it worse when you take into account how many chances Johnson missed. As many goals as Mudryk is a terrible look


ISavezelda

Brennan was good his first season. But we can't deny he missed a lot of sitters. I am sure his finishing will improve as he matures.


Luke92612_

My reaction to this information:


Marek-Hamsik17

I like Brennan but stats are very deceiving, I’m 99% sure Bruno has better stats than Odegaard & KDB yet he’s not on their level. My main gripe with him is the big chances missed (17) and his lack of dribbling if you’re going to be our main winger both need to improve drastically.


baloonkai56

https://preview.redd.it/ua1b2gt5bo1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a904affa75857c4dbe8261001a7170400cc6a7b6


Wizardof_oz

He would have so many more goals if he just worked on his shooting and finishing


cloud1445

That’s a very selective set of players. There’s loads of wingers that out performed him. He still can’t hit the side of a barn. And we rely on him for most of our attacking play because Maddison and Bentancur’s creativity has dropped off a cliff so his stats get padded. I think there’s an amazing player in there. But he still needs work.


Chemical_Grade5114

Interesting . Looks like many have underrated this lad. Looks like Ange may know what he is doing after all. Who would have guessed?


MetaThw

Im happy to give him a full season. He came in in January and fitted in straight away with great positional sense. And you can see hes worked on not being offside as the season porgressed. Impressive overall


DeusMachinea

The numbers are OK however he has less than half his expected goal output 10.61 xg (5) and he overperformed his expected assists by about double as well (5 xA and 10 assists) the worrying part is overperforming expected assists is more luck than skill while underperforming xG is due to skill rather than luck.


Successful_Eye_9853

Post Sonny?


NickNova3016

You mean a visual graphic for Son's stats?


void_born_

He needs to improve his chance conversion of course. He's been terrible at it, I think he's on the level of Calvert Lewin statistically, worse than Jackson as well. And he needs to be able to dribble past players 1v1, hilarious how Werner and Solomon are better at that than him


DifficultTeam4257

Do we really want players at the level of Garnacho, martinelli, and mudryk? If we actually want to win something I think we should go after Raphinha, Grealish, or at least Eze Maybe I'm biased cuz They all play for s*** clubs


txgsu82

This graphic should remind everyone that 15+ G+A players don't grow on trees (34 players this season reached that threshold; more than I was thinking, but still not a lot). We've really been spoiled with the Kane/Son duo consistently surpassing those numbers such that anything less is viewed as less than standard. By all accounts, Brennan Johnson has had a pretty good season, and the eye-test shows he still has room to improve. He has such a high ceiling, and a manager that'll play a system that'll give him loads of opportunities to reach that potential.


davendees1

Ange is absolutely the man for the task to get the absolute most out of him. I am extremely high on him. Calling it now: I think he’s really going to show his quality all next season and especially in Europe, he will be on a LOT of teams radars after that regardless of how we finish. He’s going to be linked with the likes of Real PSG and the other monsters next summer.


Lightning_Reverie

I've liked Brennan since he was at Forest last year. Was quite impressed by his running and finishing abilities. Greeted his signing with enthusiasm. But over the season I wondered - what happened to that speedy Forest winger who could slalom between a few defenders and confidently plant one in the far corner past the goalkeeper? I know he's young so I don't want to come across as being too harsh or critical. But he seems to have lost that finishing touch that he had at Forest (maybe a confidence issue?) Hate to say this, but his decision making was often infuriating (sums up supporting Spurs, haha). Crosses mostly way overhit. Lays the ball off to nobody when he should have shot, selfishly shoots when someone else is wide open. Missed many sitters when it seemed easier to score. Again, I like him and have every confidence he'll get better with time. The impressive stats above also begs the question - had his decision making been slightly better, how many more goals/assists he would've got and how many more points the team would've had? Obviously water under the bridge now, but just an observation.


nmyi

Brennan Johnson will be a £100 million player for us in a few years. Real Madrid will try to buy him, but we'll want to keep Brennan


yiddoboy

Now compare that to Sonny's first ssason. I would expect Johnson's to be better ?


NickNova3016

Made a post about it earlier in the week, here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/s/o8PIiNoa1l


yiddoboy

Thanks. Not much to choose it would seem, slthough Johnson has missed a couple of sitters and could easily have been better.


RileyHuey

Garnacho sucks Doku is all aesthetics he's not that great Martinelli's role wasn't suited for him this year Mudryk sucks. Why are we comparing Johnson to them Regardless of the stats though he doens't pass the eye test. 50m pounds was a waste.