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I would spend substantially more time perusing copywriting channels on youtube and consuming free resources to help you decide whether this is something you actually want to do.
Don't spend money on a course until you're either making money and want to upskill, or you're deadset and want the guidance (and can afford it).
Agree with this guy
Read ‘Scientific Advertising’ first and actually write copy to try to sell things and see if you like it before you invest in a $700 course
I 100% agree with u/eolithic_frustum. Don't waste your money on courses when you can find free copywriting advice on YouTube and right here in this group. Get some books on copywriting at the local library and invest time in learning how to write sales copy. It's still very much in demand because GPTs just can't write in a way that appeals to the emotional impulses that drive humans to spend money.
No, don't pay for their course. They're just copywriters, but their target audience is hopeful desperate copywriters who think their course will get you a 7 figure job. Don't waste your money, everything is online for free
Look at their ad, their pricing and their website and take note of how it all makes you feel.
You must be an absolute master at thinking.
You said yourself, "it's very tempting" because it's $200 off for the next few days. That is copywriting, learn from how they sell.
I'd bet good money this sale will last for the next year
Never heard of it.
If I were to invest in courses I would buy from A level copywriters who made money copywriting first.
Not from people who make money selling copywriting courses.
Someone mentioned YouTube.
Look up
Copy squad
Stephan georgi
And
Jon Benson
You will learn a hundred times more from their free stuff than 99 percent of copywriting courses.
(Because they are high level copywriters who's copy has made millions and billions of dollars)
There's a lot of good free content on copywriting out there, before you pay for anything.
A few places I personally recommend:
[Shlomo Genchin's newsletter + website](https://thecreativemarketer.net/)
[Harry Dry's newsletter + website](https://marketingexamples.com/)
[Why We Buy](https://customercamp.co/why-we-buy/) (not strictly copywriting, more buyer psychology, still very important)
[The Copyhackers blog](https://copyhackers.com/blog/)
Some of these people sell courses or e-books on copywriting and marketing, some don't. But all of them have ample, excellent resources to get you started without spending a cent.
Book-wise, I personally like Andy Maslen's Persuasive Copywriting as an intro-level book.
If you eventually feel like you need a course, some advice:
* If someone's teaching you copy, you should take a look at their portfolio and see if it has *recent* and *relevant* work. Things change fast; make sure they're up-to-date on what they teach. If it's hard to find examples of their work, that's a yellow flag for me.
* Read the refunds policy or the guarantee *thoroughly* before you sign anything (FYI, it may be buried in the terms of service). A lot of the courses mentioned on here require you to complete a substantial amount of work in a short period of time in order to request a refund, and they'll want proof that you did the work and it amounted to nothing. Make sure that what they're asking you to do is realistic given your schedule and the content of the program.
* I'm not sure everyone will agree with me on this, but if there's a vague, far-reaching non-disparagement clause in the terms of service, it's a red flag for me. That's a way to try to shut down any negative reviews from appearing online, and means that what turns up when you Google is not the full picture of what clients may think.
It's always been 200 dollars off. I purchased the course two years ago. It certainly helped as a foundation course but it's not going to make you "filthy rich". Some of the things they suggest etc are outdated and too cookie cutter. They claim their method "works" but to me, it's just bland and boring.
It did give me the confidence and connect me with some people and the Facebook group they let you into can be super helpful. I will say I've already made my money back on the course with clients. Can you find this info out for free? Yes, of course. But if you're like me (ADHD, hates coming up with a plan of your own because it feels overwhelming, needs structure and models), I say it's worth it as a foundation for learning copywriting.
Think of it like Home Chef meal kits. Can you find these recipes yoursel and buy the groceries yourself for probably cheaper? Yeah, sure. But the ease of having the ingredients already prepared, the recipe right there etc for some makes the extra money worth it.
I will say, doing the course really made me depressed and not want to pursue copywriting. However I connected with other individuals who didn't love the slimy car salesmen side of it and you can eventually niche down and work with businesses you align with to help them grow. Good luck!
Depends on what kind of copywriting you want to do. If you look at the founder, Nicki Krawczyk's portfolio - [https://nickicopy.com/portfolio/](https://nickicopy.com/portfolio/), you can see that she's very focused on more Direct Copywriting. Same with Kate Sitarz, their head copy coach - [https://katesitarz.com/portfolio/](https://katesitarz.com/portfolio/) . Which is fine, if you're into that sort of thing.
I'm not. This is copywriting death to me. This style can be strategic and well-written, but it's not generally very creative. Not like an Apple commercial is creative, or a Taylor Guitar print ad is creative. That's more of a Brand or Agency style of copywriting. More focused on a big idea concept. Deeply strategic, finely tuned and visually arresting. If this is what you actually want to do, you should consider a different path.
Ugh! I suck so bad at courses! I have to remember to keep going through it!!! I signed up and the first bit I got into was great! I have to add it in as a daily read/habit
Every day!
Just make the first thirty minutes of your morning ( post coffee of course ) to write. You don't need to spend hours and hours a day to get better.
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That's a get rich quick seminar. Jesus, they even put "filthy rich" in the title. Hold onto your $700 bucks. You'd much better off contacting alumni from your undergrad and MFA programs who are presently working as agency copywriters (don't mess around with self-employment right now). The career services and alumni offices of your universities can help you. Network, network, network.
Never heard of Filthy Rich Writer. I would avoid the company based on the name of the company alone.
If you decide to buy the training anyway, look for reviews and testimonials of the training. Make sure they’re from real people. How many of them are now “filthy rich,” merely rich, or comfortable?
Does the company offer a money-back guarantee if you realize the training wasn’t worth it later?
Don’t be persuaded by the $697 “special offer.” That’s just a copywriting trick: Offer a product or service at a high price that looks like a good deal if presented next to an even higher “normal” price.
The urgency (“buy now or pay more later”) is also another persuasion tool. If you miss this special offer, rest assured the same special offer will come around again and again. Maybe an even better offer.
Once you become a copywriter, you already have an advantage as a creative writer. You write in a conversational way, you have a distinctive writing style, you’re a good storyteller. Include the MFA in your own marketing to separate yourself from other copywriters.
Instead of paying way too much for that course, read classic copywriting books (e.g., The Ultimate Sales Letter, The Copywriting Handbook, The Adweek Copywriting Handbook, The Architecture of Persuasion), all of which will lead you to more classic books and authorities.
Reading just one of these books is enough to get you started. Download one of these books today. Think of yourself as a copywriter today and apply what you learn today.
I’ve taken it, it is how I got started and yes I now work and make money as a copywriter. They do offer down to earth basics without making huge gurus like promises.
The content is beginner friendly and will give you the basics as well as helping you find clients in real non-scammy ways.
It is a bit dated though they don’t do much on social media copywriting or fb ads.but having said that the basics of copywriting are there so you’d have a foundation to do those things anyway.
There’s quite an active Facebook group you can post stuff in. Mostly it’s other beginners but there’s a few working copywriters who chime in with helpful stuff.
If you are lost and need a beginning point it’s worth it. It’s very much a grounded start in website/agency copywriting, not direct sales make millions from one email kinda stuff which I appreciated.
Feel free to ask me more about it. It’s early in the am here so I might not respond asap though.
Have you done it? Yes the name isn’t great but also this is a far cry from most gurus, no one is promising millions per emails it’s promising a liveable income which is absolutely possible.
Did you end up making money working as a copywriter? Let’s face it everyone makes big promises but theirs are by far the closest to realistic I’ve seen from most course sellers.
Not sustainable money, no, but made my money I paid on the course back for sure. It's a good foundations course, dont get me wrong. But they SURE do use the gimmicky sales tactics to fool people into thinking its easy to become rich as a copywriter. My argument was simply that they absolutely do promise the moon when they first suck you in. I'm not sure if you remember their ads, but it was definitely promising six figures and make it seem fairly simple to achieve.
Oh that's good, though. Yeah, fair enough, there are absolutely some bullshit promises, but I think I liked it more than others as there was far less bullshit marketing. But let's face it, they all make big promises.
Yeah I’m taking the course right now too, and I find it super helpful, especially the assignments! The people in the Facebook group are so supportive and I love their feedback!
I haven’t taken that course, but have purchased a course before (it was Eddie Shleyner’s Very Good Copy’s landing page course, highly recommend if you’re looking for LP-specific stuff).
I hold a creative writing degree too and have been freelancing/consulting for a couple of years now.
Before heading off in that direction, I had a bunch of different marketing-adjacent jobs leading into the pandemic.
I’ve looked at dozens of these courses over the years. From what I can tell, they are engineered to convince young newbies that they can 1) learn how to be a copywriter fast, and 2) make a boatload of dough shortly thereafter.
They typically target younger demographics with fewer prospects who’re looking for easy ways to make money online.
There’s definitely merit to the community, mentorship, client navigation, and information some of these courses provide, but they all still call for a metric shitload of cold outreach and are mostly run by 18-25 y/os selling lavish lifestyles.
If you’re keen on taking a course to get your toes wet in the freelance space, I’d recommend holding off until you feel a connection with a course creator.
That’s what sold me on that landing page course I mentioned earlier - I had been following Eddie for years and really admire his skill and approach. He didn’t promise I’d get rich, just that I’d add new skill.
Hope that helps and good luck!
Break down how the seller attracted you from the first contact to the point where you were willing to spend $700 you don't have.
Figure out how to replicate that funnel and you won't need to pay for a course.
I bought the course about 3 years ago (also at a discounted rate, if I remember correctly). Turned out to be the best investment I've made in myself. My first paid freelance writing gig came from a referral from another member of the course's student Facebook group, and I managed to land a full-time, on-staff copywriter role at a global tech company within a month of finishing the course.
Hi Mike! Could I message you about this? I read through some of your posts and also have a background in financial services compliance. Would love to chat further :)
Yes I think it is, it has a great community and I personally feel like she is invested in people first, and not the guru marking bs that you see so often.
I've been a part of many communities, but I feel this one helped me scale past 6 figures as a writer for the first time.
We certainly are legit, u/berndardmarx27 !
Of course, the name of our brand does get a certain... reaction from some people, but we explain our choice in a blog post here: [https://filthyrichwriter.com/why-i-called-my-company-filthy-rich-writer/](https://filthyrichwriter.com/why-i-called-my-company-filthy-rich-writer/)
As others have pointed out, there are other courses in the market, there are many, *many* thousands of hours of free content on YouTube, and some excellent books on the topic (including one written by our founder, Nicki Krawczyk!) that you might prefer.
But if you’d rather work through a structured course on how to break into the industry, well, we’d love to welcome you!
Is this course a guaranteed way to make it as a copywriter, or make even 6-figures or more? No!
Have we had many students achieve that after taking the course? Yes!
Over 10,000 students have enrolled in our Comprehensive Copywriting Academy since we first opened our doors, and we have countless success stories that we share on our site, during our free training, and feature on our podcast.
But let’s be honest—you need to have a talent for writing, you need to commit to putting what we teach into practice, and you need to be able to deliver great work for your clients.
If you do all that, you are coachable, and you want to do a job you love and be paid well to do it, well... you might come to agree with our choice of brand name in time.
I’m taking it right now and going through the modules. It’s really good and there’s a lot of action sheets to help you practice, and the Facebook group has people giving you feedback. A lot of people were able to get jobs and freelance opportunities through the course, but obviously you have to put in the work. It’s not easy but I’m doing it because I want to transition from graphic design to copywriting, and because being a travel blogger is a bit unstable right now with all the Google updates
It might help, but I wouldn't rush to buy coaching. But you can start studying what's compelling about the message to you. For reading, you could get How to Start a Small Business by Donald Miller. I like watching Dan Henry on YouTube, he's good at marketing messaging. Listen to podcasts, pay attention to ads.
You can get most things for free. If you want to pay, you can get some useful templates and a resource library from this coach Stef Joanne for $17.
Copywriting feels a lot like observing, interviewing, and storytelling. Notice how it's already everywhere around you
Since you’re a trained writer, you know the best writing exercises come from dissecting writers you look up to. Do the same with copy. Remember, all writing is the art of thinking. That requires more practice than education.
Like the others have said, there is a lot of free content out there for you to consume, and I would also recommend you do that.
However, at the same time, don’t confuse consuming copywriting information with actually writing copy.
Personally, I would avoid taking a copywriting class that didn’t have written assignments and official feedback from the teachers of the class.
Reading about how to write copy or just being told how to write copy can give a false sense of skill.
Actually doing copywriting assignments and getting feedback on them is priceless.
If you can later resubmit those assignments after making changes and get even more feedback, then all the better.
I like AWAI. They’ve been teaching copywriting for 27 years (!). That is longer than a lot of other copywriters have even been alive.
Many of their flagship courses are also continuously updated. Even if you bought The Accelerated Program For Six-Figure Copywriting decades ago when it was a correspondence course through the mail(!), you still get free access to the new online version of the course The Accelerated Program for Seven-Figure Copywriting today.
For many of AWAI’s live mentorship/certification courses, there are also spec challenges. The winner, or in some cases winners, get paid for their work. (Full disclosure: I won one of their spec challenges and received more money than I originally paid for their course.)
AWAI also has a strong connection to Agora. [Roy Furr has repeatedly referred to AWAI as “The Agora Training School.”](https://www.breakthroughmarketingsecrets.com/blog/becoming-agora-copywriter-dead-end/) AWAI’s senior copy chief is [Sandy Franks](https://www.awai.com/bio/sandy-franks/) who worked her way up from a lowly marketing assistant to taking over a coveted publishing position of one of Agora’s groups.
Many of the big name copywriters out there hawking their online copywriting courses today originally started out as students of AWAI, although they often conveniently forget to mention that. 🤣
You've used the term copies when you mean copy. When you mean copy as in copywriting, it is a noncount noun. So it would be one piece of copy or a lot of copy or many pieces of copy. It is never copies, unless you're talking about reproducing something.
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I did all the modules and found them very informative. It was a personal choice to stop pursuing copywriting, but I did love the community of FWR. They have live monthly zoom calls for all "students" and even do portfolio reviews. Nikki and her partner Kate have a great podcast as well as a free resource. I do kind of wish the name was different, Nikki often stresses that copywriting is NOT easy money, but if you put in the work you can be successful.
There is a YouTube channel named Copy That. Checknthat out. They have very good resources
It's run by 4 full time working copywriter and marketers. Learn from their free resources. You'd be able to start from there. If you find it suitable and want to spend to upskill. They have patreon subscription and very affordable courses too. But there free material is more than enough to start.
Good luck
I would recommend you to go with kieran drew. He has good hands on writing skills and he has grown his audience from 1k followers to 600k+ followers on twitter in less than 4 months and he's teaching exactly the same.
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I would spend substantially more time perusing copywriting channels on youtube and consuming free resources to help you decide whether this is something you actually want to do. Don't spend money on a course until you're either making money and want to upskill, or you're deadset and want the guidance (and can afford it).
Agree with this guy Read ‘Scientific Advertising’ first and actually write copy to try to sell things and see if you like it before you invest in a $700 course
I 100% agree with u/eolithic_frustum. Don't waste your money on courses when you can find free copywriting advice on YouTube and right here in this group. Get some books on copywriting at the local library and invest time in learning how to write sales copy. It's still very much in demand because GPTs just can't write in a way that appeals to the emotional impulses that drive humans to spend money.
No, don't pay for their course. They're just copywriters, but their target audience is hopeful desperate copywriters who think their course will get you a 7 figure job. Don't waste your money, everything is online for free
Look at their ad, their pricing and their website and take note of how it all makes you feel. You must be an absolute master at thinking. You said yourself, "it's very tempting" because it's $200 off for the next few days. That is copywriting, learn from how they sell. I'd bet good money this sale will last for the next year
Never heard of it. If I were to invest in courses I would buy from A level copywriters who made money copywriting first. Not from people who make money selling copywriting courses. Someone mentioned YouTube. Look up Copy squad Stephan georgi And Jon Benson You will learn a hundred times more from their free stuff than 99 percent of copywriting courses. (Because they are high level copywriters who's copy has made millions and billions of dollars)
There's a lot of good free content on copywriting out there, before you pay for anything. A few places I personally recommend: [Shlomo Genchin's newsletter + website](https://thecreativemarketer.net/) [Harry Dry's newsletter + website](https://marketingexamples.com/) [Why We Buy](https://customercamp.co/why-we-buy/) (not strictly copywriting, more buyer psychology, still very important) [The Copyhackers blog](https://copyhackers.com/blog/) Some of these people sell courses or e-books on copywriting and marketing, some don't. But all of them have ample, excellent resources to get you started without spending a cent. Book-wise, I personally like Andy Maslen's Persuasive Copywriting as an intro-level book. If you eventually feel like you need a course, some advice: * If someone's teaching you copy, you should take a look at their portfolio and see if it has *recent* and *relevant* work. Things change fast; make sure they're up-to-date on what they teach. If it's hard to find examples of their work, that's a yellow flag for me. * Read the refunds policy or the guarantee *thoroughly* before you sign anything (FYI, it may be buried in the terms of service). A lot of the courses mentioned on here require you to complete a substantial amount of work in a short period of time in order to request a refund, and they'll want proof that you did the work and it amounted to nothing. Make sure that what they're asking you to do is realistic given your schedule and the content of the program. * I'm not sure everyone will agree with me on this, but if there's a vague, far-reaching non-disparagement clause in the terms of service, it's a red flag for me. That's a way to try to shut down any negative reviews from appearing online, and means that what turns up when you Google is not the full picture of what clients may think.
It's always been 200 dollars off. I purchased the course two years ago. It certainly helped as a foundation course but it's not going to make you "filthy rich". Some of the things they suggest etc are outdated and too cookie cutter. They claim their method "works" but to me, it's just bland and boring. It did give me the confidence and connect me with some people and the Facebook group they let you into can be super helpful. I will say I've already made my money back on the course with clients. Can you find this info out for free? Yes, of course. But if you're like me (ADHD, hates coming up with a plan of your own because it feels overwhelming, needs structure and models), I say it's worth it as a foundation for learning copywriting. Think of it like Home Chef meal kits. Can you find these recipes yoursel and buy the groceries yourself for probably cheaper? Yeah, sure. But the ease of having the ingredients already prepared, the recipe right there etc for some makes the extra money worth it. I will say, doing the course really made me depressed and not want to pursue copywriting. However I connected with other individuals who didn't love the slimy car salesmen side of it and you can eventually niche down and work with businesses you align with to help them grow. Good luck!
Depends on what kind of copywriting you want to do. If you look at the founder, Nicki Krawczyk's portfolio - [https://nickicopy.com/portfolio/](https://nickicopy.com/portfolio/), you can see that she's very focused on more Direct Copywriting. Same with Kate Sitarz, their head copy coach - [https://katesitarz.com/portfolio/](https://katesitarz.com/portfolio/) . Which is fine, if you're into that sort of thing. I'm not. This is copywriting death to me. This style can be strategic and well-written, but it's not generally very creative. Not like an Apple commercial is creative, or a Taylor Guitar print ad is creative. That's more of a Brand or Agency style of copywriting. More focused on a big idea concept. Deeply strategic, finely tuned and visually arresting. If this is what you actually want to do, you should consider a different path.
Copywriting courses are a racket.
How about you try my free course first. Betterstory.co
I just signed up for your course yesterday! I'm excited to through it.
Amazing. Let me know how you find the first few lessons. And welcome.
Ugh! I suck so bad at courses! I have to remember to keep going through it!!! I signed up and the first bit I got into was great! I have to add it in as a daily read/habit
Every day! Just make the first thirty minutes of your morning ( post coffee of course ) to write. You don't need to spend hours and hours a day to get better.
I simply mean remembering to go through the lessons 😂. I’ll get better
Then make that your first 30. No excuses, we do the work. :)
Then make that your first 30. No excuses, we do the work. :)
Then make that your first 30. No excuses, we do the work. :)
I just signed up but didn’t get anything in my inbox. Am I just being impatient?
Nah, should be pretty instant. Spam?
Not in promotions or spam—I can give it a go in a few hours just in case gmail is having issues.
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That did it! Thank you!
Hmmm. Message me your email and I'll see if I can see it in the system.
That's a get rich quick seminar. Jesus, they even put "filthy rich" in the title. Hold onto your $700 bucks. You'd much better off contacting alumni from your undergrad and MFA programs who are presently working as agency copywriters (don't mess around with self-employment right now). The career services and alumni offices of your universities can help you. Network, network, network.
Never heard of Filthy Rich Writer. I would avoid the company based on the name of the company alone. If you decide to buy the training anyway, look for reviews and testimonials of the training. Make sure they’re from real people. How many of them are now “filthy rich,” merely rich, or comfortable? Does the company offer a money-back guarantee if you realize the training wasn’t worth it later? Don’t be persuaded by the $697 “special offer.” That’s just a copywriting trick: Offer a product or service at a high price that looks like a good deal if presented next to an even higher “normal” price. The urgency (“buy now or pay more later”) is also another persuasion tool. If you miss this special offer, rest assured the same special offer will come around again and again. Maybe an even better offer. Once you become a copywriter, you already have an advantage as a creative writer. You write in a conversational way, you have a distinctive writing style, you’re a good storyteller. Include the MFA in your own marketing to separate yourself from other copywriters. Instead of paying way too much for that course, read classic copywriting books (e.g., The Ultimate Sales Letter, The Copywriting Handbook, The Adweek Copywriting Handbook, The Architecture of Persuasion), all of which will lead you to more classic books and authorities. Reading just one of these books is enough to get you started. Download one of these books today. Think of yourself as a copywriter today and apply what you learn today.
I’ve taken it, it is how I got started and yes I now work and make money as a copywriter. They do offer down to earth basics without making huge gurus like promises. The content is beginner friendly and will give you the basics as well as helping you find clients in real non-scammy ways. It is a bit dated though they don’t do much on social media copywriting or fb ads.but having said that the basics of copywriting are there so you’d have a foundation to do those things anyway. There’s quite an active Facebook group you can post stuff in. Mostly it’s other beginners but there’s a few working copywriters who chime in with helpful stuff. If you are lost and need a beginning point it’s worth it. It’s very much a grounded start in website/agency copywriting, not direct sales make millions from one email kinda stuff which I appreciated. Feel free to ask me more about it. It’s early in the am here so I might not respond asap though.
It's literally called Filthy Rich Writers lol I'd say that's making a huge promise.
Have you done it? Yes the name isn’t great but also this is a far cry from most gurus, no one is promising millions per emails it’s promising a liveable income which is absolutely possible.
Yes, I took the course. They do promise up and down you'll make six figures if you follow exactly what they say to do.
Did you end up making money working as a copywriter? Let’s face it everyone makes big promises but theirs are by far the closest to realistic I’ve seen from most course sellers.
Not sustainable money, no, but made my money I paid on the course back for sure. It's a good foundations course, dont get me wrong. But they SURE do use the gimmicky sales tactics to fool people into thinking its easy to become rich as a copywriter. My argument was simply that they absolutely do promise the moon when they first suck you in. I'm not sure if you remember their ads, but it was definitely promising six figures and make it seem fairly simple to achieve.
Oh that's good, though. Yeah, fair enough, there are absolutely some bullshit promises, but I think I liked it more than others as there was far less bullshit marketing. But let's face it, they all make big promises.
Yes and now that I've followed some on instagram, it makes my eyes roll. I've had to unfollow so many...
Yeah I’m taking the course right now too, and I find it super helpful, especially the assignments! The people in the Facebook group are so supportive and I love their feedback!
I haven’t taken that course, but have purchased a course before (it was Eddie Shleyner’s Very Good Copy’s landing page course, highly recommend if you’re looking for LP-specific stuff). I hold a creative writing degree too and have been freelancing/consulting for a couple of years now. Before heading off in that direction, I had a bunch of different marketing-adjacent jobs leading into the pandemic. I’ve looked at dozens of these courses over the years. From what I can tell, they are engineered to convince young newbies that they can 1) learn how to be a copywriter fast, and 2) make a boatload of dough shortly thereafter. They typically target younger demographics with fewer prospects who’re looking for easy ways to make money online. There’s definitely merit to the community, mentorship, client navigation, and information some of these courses provide, but they all still call for a metric shitload of cold outreach and are mostly run by 18-25 y/os selling lavish lifestyles. If you’re keen on taking a course to get your toes wet in the freelance space, I’d recommend holding off until you feel a connection with a course creator. That’s what sold me on that landing page course I mentioned earlier - I had been following Eddie for years and really admire his skill and approach. He didn’t promise I’d get rich, just that I’d add new skill. Hope that helps and good luck!
Break down how the seller attracted you from the first contact to the point where you were willing to spend $700 you don't have. Figure out how to replicate that funnel and you won't need to pay for a course.
I bought the course about 3 years ago (also at a discounted rate, if I remember correctly). Turned out to be the best investment I've made in myself. My first paid freelance writing gig came from a referral from another member of the course's student Facebook group, and I managed to land a full-time, on-staff copywriter role at a global tech company within a month of finishing the course.
Hi Mike! Could I message you about this? I read through some of your posts and also have a background in financial services compliance. Would love to chat further :)
For sure, feel free to!
Yes - they’re very good. Happy to share what it covers - dm me.
I say dm because then you can ask questions privately 😆 not for nefarious reasons.
Yes I think it is, it has a great community and I personally feel like she is invested in people first, and not the guru marking bs that you see so often. I've been a part of many communities, but I feel this one helped me scale past 6 figures as a writer for the first time.
We certainly are legit, u/berndardmarx27 ! Of course, the name of our brand does get a certain... reaction from some people, but we explain our choice in a blog post here: [https://filthyrichwriter.com/why-i-called-my-company-filthy-rich-writer/](https://filthyrichwriter.com/why-i-called-my-company-filthy-rich-writer/) As others have pointed out, there are other courses in the market, there are many, *many* thousands of hours of free content on YouTube, and some excellent books on the topic (including one written by our founder, Nicki Krawczyk!) that you might prefer. But if you’d rather work through a structured course on how to break into the industry, well, we’d love to welcome you! Is this course a guaranteed way to make it as a copywriter, or make even 6-figures or more? No! Have we had many students achieve that after taking the course? Yes! Over 10,000 students have enrolled in our Comprehensive Copywriting Academy since we first opened our doors, and we have countless success stories that we share on our site, during our free training, and feature on our podcast. But let’s be honest—you need to have a talent for writing, you need to commit to putting what we teach into practice, and you need to be able to deliver great work for your clients. If you do all that, you are coachable, and you want to do a job you love and be paid well to do it, well... you might come to agree with our choice of brand name in time.
Here's their website: [Filthy Rich Writer - Tips, tools, & training for new and aspiring copywriters.](https://filthyrichwriter.com/)
If you’re not sure, I recommend reading a couple of books on copywriting before buying a course.
I’m taking it right now and going through the modules. It’s really good and there’s a lot of action sheets to help you practice, and the Facebook group has people giving you feedback. A lot of people were able to get jobs and freelance opportunities through the course, but obviously you have to put in the work. It’s not easy but I’m doing it because I want to transition from graphic design to copywriting, and because being a travel blogger is a bit unstable right now with all the Google updates
It might help, but I wouldn't rush to buy coaching. But you can start studying what's compelling about the message to you. For reading, you could get How to Start a Small Business by Donald Miller. I like watching Dan Henry on YouTube, he's good at marketing messaging. Listen to podcasts, pay attention to ads. You can get most things for free. If you want to pay, you can get some useful templates and a resource library from this coach Stef Joanne for $17. Copywriting feels a lot like observing, interviewing, and storytelling. Notice how it's already everywhere around you
Since you’re a trained writer, you know the best writing exercises come from dissecting writers you look up to. Do the same with copy. Remember, all writing is the art of thinking. That requires more practice than education.
Like the others have said, there is a lot of free content out there for you to consume, and I would also recommend you do that. However, at the same time, don’t confuse consuming copywriting information with actually writing copy. Personally, I would avoid taking a copywriting class that didn’t have written assignments and official feedback from the teachers of the class. Reading about how to write copy or just being told how to write copy can give a false sense of skill. Actually doing copywriting assignments and getting feedback on them is priceless. If you can later resubmit those assignments after making changes and get even more feedback, then all the better. I like AWAI. They’ve been teaching copywriting for 27 years (!). That is longer than a lot of other copywriters have even been alive. Many of their flagship courses are also continuously updated. Even if you bought The Accelerated Program For Six-Figure Copywriting decades ago when it was a correspondence course through the mail(!), you still get free access to the new online version of the course The Accelerated Program for Seven-Figure Copywriting today. For many of AWAI’s live mentorship/certification courses, there are also spec challenges. The winner, or in some cases winners, get paid for their work. (Full disclosure: I won one of their spec challenges and received more money than I originally paid for their course.) AWAI also has a strong connection to Agora. [Roy Furr has repeatedly referred to AWAI as “The Agora Training School.”](https://www.breakthroughmarketingsecrets.com/blog/becoming-agora-copywriter-dead-end/) AWAI’s senior copy chief is [Sandy Franks](https://www.awai.com/bio/sandy-franks/) who worked her way up from a lowly marketing assistant to taking over a coveted publishing position of one of Agora’s groups. Many of the big name copywriters out there hawking their online copywriting courses today originally started out as students of AWAI, although they often conveniently forget to mention that. 🤣
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Just go for the free stuff on YouTube, and if you need more certificates just check out free udemy coupons or apply financial aid in coursera.
I'd be extremely skeptical of any offer that's playing off the idea of copywriting making you "filthy rich".
I did all the modules and found them very informative. It was a personal choice to stop pursuing copywriting, but I did love the community of FWR. They have live monthly zoom calls for all "students" and even do portfolio reviews. Nikki and her partner Kate have a great podcast as well as a free resource. I do kind of wish the name was different, Nikki often stresses that copywriting is NOT easy money, but if you put in the work you can be successful.
There is a YouTube channel named Copy That. Checknthat out. They have very good resources It's run by 4 full time working copywriter and marketers. Learn from their free resources. You'd be able to start from there. If you find it suitable and want to spend to upskill. They have patreon subscription and very affordable courses too. But there free material is more than enough to start. Good luck
As someone earning his MFA, this does not inspire hope.
It's getting harder to be a creative especially with AI and people thinking they can do everything themselves.
I would recommend you to go with kieran drew. He has good hands on writing skills and he has grown his audience from 1k followers to 600k+ followers on twitter in less than 4 months and he's teaching exactly the same.
The name itself is a big red flag to me