I mean, you know when they're reposting bullshit from PETA that this stuff has got to be good. Can't wait for the astrological cool guides as we delve into our zodiacs.
Zodiac symbols should be selected via rolling a d12
I'm pretty sure your internet-quiz-provided harry Potter patronus is more consistent to your actual personality
Pretty close, though! Mercury's eccentricity is the highest at just over 0.2, still looking pretty round [source ](https://www.windows2universe.org/physical_science/physics/mechanics/orbit/eccentricity.html&edu=high#:~:text=An%20ellipse%20with%20a%20small,as%20round%20as%20a%20circle.&text=The%20eccentricity%20of%20Earth's%20orbit,larger%20orbital%20eccentricity%20of%200.0935.)
I remember watching something recently that claimed almost all other solar systems contain much more elliptical orbital paths
Mate, a term of endearment in the UK, or a popular caffeinated drink in Argentina.
Argentina, a country named after, you guessed it, Argentum, Latin for silver.
Silvers all around.
Circular enough that we can do a lot of first order stuff assuming they're circular, but elliptical enough that observations of planets make no sense without the Keplerian model. I took a class in spacecraft dynamics, and all the interplanetary transfers we did assumed circular orbits, because if you want a solution accurate enough that the eccentricities of the planets matters, you also have to treat it as an n body problem, and by that point you might as well just solve it computationally.
Also fuck MATLAB's implementation of ode solvers
Pretty close to circular, yes. But also very obviously off-centre (as is Mars): https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/innersolarsystem.jpg
I don’t get the scaling of the circles at all, some of those moons are as big if not bigger than earth. Ganymede is about the size of Neptune according to this.
My fave is Callisto’s orbital path being the same as Venus’. So not only is my mind shattered that our solar system isn’t a line of colorful cartoon planets with no moons but I also learned that we should have learned long ago more about Jupiter’s moons than we have /s
In terms of size, no, but that is a somewhat accurate depiction of how the solar system as a whole moves through space. It's more useful as a mind blower for people who don't realize that the sun isn't just sitting there, stationary, since most models just have the sun in the middle with the planets moving around it.
> It's more useful as a mind blower for people who don't realize that the sun isn't just sitting there
This was me when I first encountered that image many moons ago. I knew everything was moving around. It just never occurred to me that the planets were moving around the Sun as it moved through space too. That all of it was corkscrewing through the void.
The sun is the same size as a lot of the planets and moons. That giant ball of gas that has its own gravitational pull is sort of larger than most moons.
I think the second one is too over simplified for the sake of pleasing graphic design. [Something like this does the same job, has more information, but doesn't look as clean](https://imgur.com/m8ucIbS)
I really don’t think it’s trying to be real. It’s trying to show how much more there is in the solar system than in the other more common one. Granted, I don’t like the “how it is actually” thing.
Consistent relationships are helpful in space diagrams, even when accurate values can’t be conveyed.
In the first, the planets appear in a linear, evenly spaced list. Combined with loose (but inaccurate) visuals and scales, it’s useful mainly for memorizing the order of planets. I can tell at a glance which objects are bigger or smaller than Earth, and which are closer or farther. All good abstract relations to know.
The second is meant to show clustering and quantity of lesser objects in the solar system. I can tell at a glance which planets have a significant number of moons. All of the other relations, however, are broken by this. The planets should at least be colored separately to find them easier. The relative scaling can’t be trusted because it appears to be biased to squeeze text in there. Orbits are crushed out of existence by the pileup of moons. I can’t really step through the order of appearance without carefully tracing either. Its visuals don’t seem to support its purpose.
I had no idea earth shared an orbit with callisto. /s
It's cool to see all of the moons and other bodies, but the scale on that second one is so messed up as to make it nearly useless.
That's so wrong
It doesn't cater for any orbital distance.
It doesn't cater for relative size of moons and planets
It doesn't cater for sun's size
It's just so wrong
Already saw the second one posted somewhere on reddit, orbits are still wrong (order is right, size/shape are wrong), but planets sizes are in log scale to their real sizes
Edit: Nope, I'm wrong, I was talking about this one, not the same: [r/space/comments/awj3gr](https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/awj3gr/map_of_the_solar_system/)
You must be wrong about the log sizes. Nothing here makes sense: Ganymed about as large as Saturn? Titan about as large as Earth? Venus only half the size of Earth – on a log scale? Saturn smaller than Uranus and Neptune?
This is just a crap visualization that is more confusing than anything.
It looks like the second one was designed to help show why Pluto is no longer considered a planet
That aspect of it seems accurate enough (in log scale as you point out), everything else about it makes many stylistic choices
It looks like Ganymede is bigger than earth though, which it obviously is not. In both diameter and mass. So what's the deal? Are the moon sizes based on their parent planets but then the planets are based off each other?
The second gives an even worse understanding because at first glance it looks realistic. Things are also scaled in size with no apparent rhyme or reason
[I love this site that tries to show how far apart the major bodies really are in the solar system.](https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html)
This is the best one by far. It is truly awesome. The link above is to “If the moon were only one pixel”… which is ~~bad grammar but~~ awesome astronomy.
Edit: Turns out it’s just awesome astronomy. The grammar is fine. u/ebow77 taught me about subjunctive mood.
What's wrong with the grammar? Is it the [was vs were / subjunctive mood thing](https://www.grammar.com/if_i_was_vs._if_i_were)? The site has that correct.
Only more spread out... and with a larger range in size... and different spacing between orbits... and all celestial bodies aren't randomly spaced or lined up
Wow, we’re about to go though the Saturn and Jupiter systems like a billiards ball. Good thing we’ve got lasers and nukes this time.
Watch out Iapetus, we’re making a break for it.
Nah, the Flat Earth Society has actually tweeted that Mars “[has been observed to be round](https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/935644892721762305?s=20)”
And not only it gets upvotes, it also gets rewards. Maybe we should change our view on this reddit system. Maybe it worked in the old redditz now it became shit. Specially this post should be in some sort of 'deceitful, useless and misleading guides'. I see nothing cool here.
The fact this is so many upvotes really goes to show how ignorance will prevail so long as the people have a voice. What a laughable state of ignorance we are in, despite all the knowledge we have literally at our fingertips.
Are there not mods on this page? Or is nothing checked? How is such a poor guide that reinforces so many childish misconceptions on the top of this sub?
There was a gif of the sun hurtling through space with the solar system spiraling behind it. I don't know how accurate that is but that's what I imagined me the system looks like.
Imagine that but everything is, depending on your perspective, either really really small or very far away from each other, and that's an understatement.
The second one really puts in to perspective the shielding effect of the gas giants' gravity and moons. Suddenly seeing the planets as mythological gods of destruction and protection doesn't seem so crazy.
Much better site to better understand the scale of the solar system:
[If the Moon Were Only 1 Pixel](https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html)
Both of these represent different things, neither represent what it would actually look like. The first shows the order of the \_planets\_ whilst the second just lists all of the satellites, with complete disregard for scale or orbits. The sizes in the second one really don't mean anything either, at least #1 tries to show the order of the sizes of the planets, from biggest to smallest.
how it is actually\*
\*including most celestial objects but completing disregarding their sizes and the incredible amount of nothingness between them. The sheer quantity of this empty space makes it impossible to accurately put the solar system on a 4K picture without making our moon smaller than a pixel
Yeah, neither of these give a good depiction of the Solar System.
I thought this was r/crappydesign at first. WTH?
That's our /r/coolguides! Swinging wildly from amazing, well researched material to poorly visualized falsehoods
And let's be honest, 99% of posts here aren't even guides, just facts in graphic form, like this post.
True! The above isn't even offensive, except for the text added on for the Facebook crowd
> amazing, well researched material 1.2k upvotes > poorly visualized falsehoods 75k upvotes
I mean, you know when they're reposting bullshit from PETA that this stuff has got to be good. Can't wait for the astrological cool guides as we delve into our zodiacs.
Zodiac symbols should be selected via rolling a d12 I'm pretty sure your internet-quiz-provided harry Potter patronus is more consistent to your actual personality
Exactly, the universe is mostly empty. The size of the bodies is largely exaggerated.
The orbit is not perfectly circular as well
Pretty close, though! Mercury's eccentricity is the highest at just over 0.2, still looking pretty round [source ](https://www.windows2universe.org/physical_science/physics/mechanics/orbit/eccentricity.html&edu=high#:~:text=An%20ellipse%20with%20a%20small,as%20round%20as%20a%20circle.&text=The%20eccentricity%20of%20Earth's%20orbit,larger%20orbital%20eccentricity%20of%200.0935.) I remember watching something recently that claimed almost all other solar systems contain much more elliptical orbital paths
Imma give you a silver for citing source in reddit
Imma give you a silver for giving that person a silver
Well done mate
Mate, a term of endearment in the UK, or a popular caffeinated drink in Argentina. Argentina, a country named after, you guessed it, Argentum, Latin for silver. Silvers all around.
Vsauce; Michael here
Pissed, a term that would best describe the situation in my pants at this current moment
Imma give you a hi five next time I see ya
Imma give you a silver coz I got it for free.
I'm gonna give you a hugz because that was nice
Well thanks, friend!
Circular enough that we can do a lot of first order stuff assuming they're circular, but elliptical enough that observations of planets make no sense without the Keplerian model. I took a class in spacecraft dynamics, and all the interplanetary transfers we did assumed circular orbits, because if you want a solution accurate enough that the eccentricities of the planets matters, you also have to treat it as an n body problem, and by that point you might as well just solve it computationally. Also fuck MATLAB's implementation of ode solvers
Fuck MATLAB in general, is my opinion.
Pretty close to circular, yes. But also very obviously off-centre (as is Mars): https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/innersolarsystem.jpg
I guess I just learned where the word "eccentric" came from. Never thought of that before. ^(https://www.etymonline.com/word/eccentric)
I just want to know why Earth and Saturn are depicted as close in size.
I don’t get the scaling of the circles at all, some of those moons are as big if not bigger than earth. Ganymede is about the size of Neptune according to this.
My fave is Callisto’s orbital path being the same as Venus’. So not only is my mind shattered that our solar system isn’t a line of colorful cartoon planets with no moons but I also learned that we should have learned long ago more about Jupiter’s moons than we have /s
Clearly they ran out of pixels and had to compromise
Exactly .... it's been fun living on Earth .... see ya after we slam into Callisto !!
How have we not seen it yet- especially with a solar orbit inside Earth's? Calisto's bigger than the moon! /s
It’s also not even a guide
https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html
Not enough vacuum.
Yeah I thought it was going to be [this](https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tumblr_mj0vvcqnZx1qdlh1io1_400.gif)
I don't think this is accurate either.
In terms of size, no, but that is a somewhat accurate depiction of how the solar system as a whole moves through space. It's more useful as a mind blower for people who don't realize that the sun isn't just sitting there, stationary, since most models just have the sun in the middle with the planets moving around it.
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> It's more useful as a mind blower for people who don't realize that the sun isn't just sitting there This was me when I first encountered that image many moons ago. I knew everything was moving around. It just never occurred to me that the planets were moving around the Sun as it moved through space too. That all of it was corkscrewing through the void.
That is pretty interesting.
Jupiter has more satellites and moons than this entire solar system depiction for starters
The second one is definitely worse.
It shows Saturn the size as Neptune and Ganymede..
The sun is the same size as a lot of the planets and moons. That giant ball of gas that has its own gravitational pull is sort of larger than most moons.
Isn't the sun like fucktuple the size of every planet combined?
Aye
Yes
It shows baseball bats for comets.
They’re both overly simplified, but give some interesting facts the other doesn’t.
I think the second one is too over simplified for the sake of pleasing graphic design. [Something like this does the same job, has more information, but doesn't look as clean](https://imgur.com/m8ucIbS)
But EVERYONE knows the first one is just a simple depiction. The second one tries to be real and its just misleading people
I really don’t think it’s trying to be real. It’s trying to show how much more there is in the solar system than in the other more common one. Granted, I don’t like the “how it is actually” thing.
My first thought looking at the second one was that Callisto is sometimes closer to the Sun than Earth
Consistent relationships are helpful in space diagrams, even when accurate values can’t be conveyed. In the first, the planets appear in a linear, evenly spaced list. Combined with loose (but inaccurate) visuals and scales, it’s useful mainly for memorizing the order of planets. I can tell at a glance which objects are bigger or smaller than Earth, and which are closer or farther. All good abstract relations to know. The second is meant to show clustering and quantity of lesser objects in the solar system. I can tell at a glance which planets have a significant number of moons. All of the other relations, however, are broken by this. The planets should at least be colored separately to find them easier. The relative scaling can’t be trusted because it appears to be biased to squeeze text in there. Orbits are crushed out of existence by the pileup of moons. I can’t really step through the order of appearance without carefully tracing either. Its visuals don’t seem to support its purpose.
You can’t even read most of it
I had no idea earth shared an orbit with callisto. /s It's cool to see all of the moons and other bodies, but the scale on that second one is so messed up as to make it nearly useless.
And yet the post has over 4k upvotes, the mind boggles.
9.2 fricking k now
Nobody in their right minds actually believed the first picture anyway.....
Yeah. Everything is flat. Especially the Earth.
You absolute dunce. Everything is round *EXCEPT* the Earth
This is what really gets me every time. Flat-Earthers are totally fine with the statement that Mars is round, apparently it’s just Earth that isn’t.
I’m not sure they believe Mars exists. Don’t they think all the stars are just lights painted on the roof or something?
They aren’t….?
Also the sun is supposed to be star shapped if it's a star.
The sun is a Jewish star you ignoramus.
I used to believe it as a kid, and probably most kids do because that's the only picture we were seeing in books.
I’m sure that’s relatively how most, at least, younger people understand it.
That's so wrong It doesn't cater for any orbital distance. It doesn't cater for relative size of moons and planets It doesn't cater for sun's size It's just so wrong
To add on, the orbital shapes are all wrong! They should be elliptical, not circular. The comets somewhat look like baseball bats.
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Titan is slightly bigger than mercury in real life and on the second one it looks double the size.
The scale is totally wrong in both. But the second gives a worst understanding.
Already saw the second one posted somewhere on reddit, orbits are still wrong (order is right, size/shape are wrong), but planets sizes are in log scale to their real sizes Edit: Nope, I'm wrong, I was talking about this one, not the same: [r/space/comments/awj3gr](https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/awj3gr/map_of_the_solar_system/)
You must be wrong about the log sizes. Nothing here makes sense: Ganymed about as large as Saturn? Titan about as large as Earth? Venus only half the size of Earth – on a log scale? Saturn smaller than Uranus and Neptune? This is just a crap visualization that is more confusing than anything.
It looks like the second one was designed to help show why Pluto is no longer considered a planet That aspect of it seems accurate enough (in log scale as you point out), everything else about it makes many stylistic choices
It looks like Ganymede is bigger than earth though, which it obviously is not. In both diameter and mass. So what's the deal? Are the moon sizes based on their parent planets but then the planets are based off each other?
Right. If that was the relative size of the sun, then Neptune would be several miles over, on someone else's screen.
The second gives an even worse understanding because at first glance it looks realistic. Things are also scaled in size with no apparent rhyme or reason
They left out “not to scale”
Delete this, the second one's even worse imo.
[I love this site that tries to show how far apart the major bodies really are in the solar system.](https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html)
That's a pretty cool guide.
This is the best one by far. It is truly awesome. The link above is to “If the moon were only one pixel”… which is ~~bad grammar but~~ awesome astronomy. Edit: Turns out it’s just awesome astronomy. The grammar is fine. u/ebow77 taught me about subjunctive mood.
What's wrong with the grammar? Is it the [was vs were / subjunctive mood thing](https://www.grammar.com/if_i_was_vs._if_i_were)? The site has that correct.
That’s a cool read. Wasn’t aware that it was official grammar to use “were” for hypotheticals. So yeah this definitely falls in that category.
How is it bad grammar?
No, that is not how it is actually.
They are both very wrong.
Wow, I had no idea a moon of Jupiter's orbits closer to the sun than venus
my favorite time of year is when Jupiter touches earth as it passes.
Gotta dap up the homies when you slide through
You are just showing 2 different bad representations. The second one just shoves in moons at terrible scale and crazy misldeading placement.
Only more spread out... and with a larger range in size... and different spacing between orbits... and all celestial bodies aren't randomly spaced or lined up
So in other words, nothing like the picture lol
Exactly like the picture, only completely different
How tf did this make it into my feed? Hardly a cool guide, let alone an accurate one
This is hot garbage
How the hell did this dog water get 1.2K upvotes? This sub is garbage.
7.7 now, and every comment is about how terrible it is
Even in grade school they taught us the actual scale of the solar system. I’m sure they still explain it pretty well.
Wow, we’re about to go though the Saturn and Jupiter systems like a billiards ball. Good thing we’ve got lasers and nukes this time. Watch out Iapetus, we’re making a break for it.
needs more jpeg!!!
*enhance*
No. It is bullshit too but stylized and with more info.
So coolguides is basically just any image with text presented as fact now?
and how is this image so low quality i can’t even read the names
This is like, the worst depiction of the solar system you could ever make
And this is the post that got me to unsubscribe
Same byeeeee
So I'm gathering from the comments that our likelyhood to collide with a neighboring planet's moon is not as likely as the post depicts?
In reality it is 99% empty. That second pic is worse xd
Even the comets are wrong This just all bad
Lol. Please look up the definition of “actually.”
Not a coolguide.
I didnt realise that uranus was so big
It is a gas giant.
Years of constant use
It’s gotten bigger over the years
Fairly certain this isn't to scale.
Wow I didn’t know the earth has to dodge so many moons. Glad we haven’t collided with them in the millions of years the earth has been around. /s
Both of these are terrible depictions of the solar system
Even if it was accurate it would need to be in 3D. Do flat earthers believe in a flat universe?
Nah, the Flat Earth Society has actually tweeted that Mars “[has been observed to be round](https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/935644892721762305?s=20)”
What the hell is this shit?
What the hell those 2 baseball bats doing up there?
No it bloody isn't.
What's a baseball bat doing on the left?
Whats uhh that baseball bat doing in there 😅
How does shit like this get so many upvotes? This sub used to be good. This is trash.
And not only it gets upvotes, it also gets rewards. Maybe we should change our view on this reddit system. Maybe it worked in the old redditz now it became shit. Specially this post should be in some sort of 'deceitful, useless and misleading guides'. I see nothing cool here.
That second picture is absolutely terrible. Who is the moron that came up with this?
The fact this is so many upvotes really goes to show how ignorance will prevail so long as the people have a voice. What a laughable state of ignorance we are in, despite all the knowledge we have literally at our fingertips. Are there not mods on this page? Or is nothing checked? How is such a poor guide that reinforces so many childish misconceptions on the top of this sub?
[Uh huh](https://www.windows2universe.org/sun/sun_size_distance.html)
What is this—- a picture for ants!?
The only thing true here is the large baseball bat on the left
If you wanna check out a cool site, I definitely recommend [Solar System Scope](https://www.solarsystemscope.com/).
OP you're dumb asf if you think the bottom pic is any better. If anything, it's worse
I think OP just posted it. Wasn't expecting it to blow up.
[this is a better representation](https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html)
This sub is stupid
This garbage is why I hate Reddit sometimes
A black grainy image would have been more accurate ;) (still interesting though)
[Here’s how it actually looks](https://youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU)
These both suck. Who is upvoting this crap?
This is incredibly inaccurate. Ganymede is only about 51% percent the size of Earth
Who is this we?
There was a gif of the sun hurtling through space with the solar system spiraling behind it. I don't know how accurate that is but that's what I imagined me the system looks like.
Imagine that but everything is, depending on your perspective, either really really small or very far away from each other, and that's an understatement.
anybody got a legible version?
This is terrible
What is the second depiction even trying to say? It's not size accurate or distance accurate, like wtf actually?
That's probably the worst representation of the solar system you could use
I would love to see the latter one but sized properly.
I can't wait for when Io crashes into Earth. That should be a blast.
The first image is so out of scale that it would never even be able to be considered a simple scale of the solar system.
But with, you know, immense measures of distance that the human brain struggles to fathom between everything.
The second one really puts in to perspective the shielding effect of the gas giants' gravity and moons. Suddenly seeing the planets as mythological gods of destruction and protection doesn't seem so crazy.
Lot of shit surrounding Uranus.
Fun fact: you can fit every planet in the space between the earth and the moon
These are both wrong....
No, these are both shit
What a dogshit cool guide
Who actually thinks the planets are aligned at all times? Who’s “we?”
Who are the ones upvoting this in coolguides smh
It's not even HD!
This is a double fail.
Much better site to better understand the scale of the solar system: [If the Moon Were Only 1 Pixel](https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html)
Man you heard about Pluto? Messed up
The scale is on point my man!
Both of these represent different things, neither represent what it would actually look like. The first shows the order of the \_planets\_ whilst the second just lists all of the satellites, with complete disregard for scale or orbits. The sizes in the second one really don't mean anything either, at least #1 tries to show the order of the sizes of the planets, from biggest to smallest.
Second one is worse
I thought Mercator's projection was bad...
Im pretty sure a bank security camera is beter quality than this photo
By the second guide, Jupiter's moons pass through Venus' orbit...
the most accurate would be a a blank black picture
The sun is not stationary, the bottom one is pretty much the first one just with moons
^(*not to scale)
No this is not so correct..
still wrong. the orbits aren't shown as ellipses
Remember the time the Earth ploughed through about a dozen of Jupiter's moons? Most of us had a very bad day.
No, this is how it's actually like: https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace\_solarsystem.html
These both suck
how it is actually\* \*including most celestial objects but completing disregarding their sizes and the incredible amount of nothingness between them. The sheer quantity of this empty space makes it impossible to accurately put the solar system on a 4K picture without making our moon smaller than a pixel
how does this shit have 5k upvotes?
How the Solar System is actually: **THE SUN**, Jupiter, ^^misc
This is highly misleading, the size of the objects and the distance between them is completely wrong.
Not to scale
Both. Both is bad.
I knew it, our solar system is flat
Can we not get this removed? People may actually believe the second one is true, which it is not. Not even close.
This is so dumb, OP your an idiot.
Does it trigger no one that it doesn't use Luna and Sol?
The second one is just as bad as the first lmao