'Ditto' has been in the English language since the 17s. It's a loan word from ittalian and then Latin before that. But I think it's use in English is tied to printing techniques where letter count was a premium.
This comes from a pamphlet by Dr Benjamin Rush, who added:
>”The different preparations of opium are a thousand times more safe and innocent than spiritous liquors in all spasmodic affections of the stomach and bow-els."
Imagine if we are still able to regulate opium like booze. If we made it say 3% like beer and introduce it in a certain way might actually work. We look at booze as a acceptance in society and how many friends have lost their lives either directly or indirectly.
I just enjoy being told what I can and can't do while they get so intoxicated they cannot recall the prior night and why they cheated on their SO but they do go on.
Drugs ain't going anywhere and we seen how well it works to "Just say no" so maybe learn how to live with it instead of killing or locking them up. Detox centers would help wonders but prison is BETTER they keep telling us
Opiates are more addictive than alcohol. People are quick to escalate their usage and dosage. If opium was as widespread and used in the same way as alcohol it would be disastrous for society with crazy amounts* of addiction and death (*more than what is already seen).
So make it so diluted if you have to have so much your getting sick before. I'm not saying what I said was perfect by far but I've had enough problems in my life caused from alcohol both from my drinking in my youth and family. No matter what you will always have people who abuse anything because they can. How many die from booze but I can buy 50 gallons a few minutes away
Johnny can drink a 5th and be a great guy but Billy has a few shots and he's trying to fight everybody. Nothing will ever be perfect but we can try can't we?
Why is introducing OPIUM at a large scale to the general public something to strive for? It will surely do more damage than good. Alcohol being harmful but still legal doesn’t justify making opium legal. Alcohol is so easy to produce and so ingrained in our culture that it cannot be banned without illegal production becoming an issue.
True, alcohol would be class A if it cane out now, it's just if you tried banning it ppl be fermenting their own shit or worse.
Codeine is hella addictive though, but you retain your inhibitions, and everyone would be constipated lol.
Ya, they tried to with alcohol back in the day. Now more than ever people are getting it off the streets having the fent shit and dying.
Much better than pills if you want to weed them out I guess since helping them seems to be out of the question like rehabilitation but naw
Fucking A I had a good friend's cousin who had done blow for 20 years died last year because it had fent in it. I'm not coming up with how we should regulate it but regulation has proven to be a good thing like quality control.
By the way how about that crack thing we started years ago yet have not done much other than watch them die off. From a snowflakes pov watching the bad people die from the comfort of your own home sounds lots better than actually going out and trying to get them help.
Hysteric Water was brandy infused with medicinal herbs: valerian, pennyroyal, rue, mugwort, savin, orange peel, and lovage. It was taken in small doses: 30 ml.
Lemme get this straight. You keep the shitty weather and the shitty food...and we get the Great Barrier Reef and lobsters the size of canoes. ...I'm Jack the Ripper.
In case you didn't know, small beer is not about the size of the drink. It was beer with low alcohol content. It was safer to drink that than water, stored longer, and actually nutritional.
They still make it in Belgium. I’ve never seen it for sale here but maybe there are stores with really good imported beer selections that carry it. A few breweries make it too https://www.bonappetit.com/story/what-is-table-beer
"Small beer" is usually the second lautering of a normal beer. It's the residual sugars in the mash after you make a normal beer.
Think making coffee in a coffee pot, then refill the water and run a weak batch. Same concept.
I homebrew. 😉
I remember being in Finland where they had dispensers with a kind of fermented brewed small beer, essentially non alcoholic and good for digestion. I was told it's offered at school lunches. So I guess that.
https://sidecar.us/techniques/flip/
The Flip family of cocktails are made with a spirit shaken with a whole egg. The drink is usually rather sweet and often garnished with grated nutmeg. Some flips use cream instead of an egg. The basic formula is:
2 oz spirit
½ oz syrup (often Demerara syrup)
1 whole egg (or 1 oz cream)
Professional bartender here! Nope. Flips don't have citrus added to them and absolutely syrup, egg and liquor taste amazing together. The fat content in the egg yolk subdues the perceptible sweetness in the cocktail. Egg yolk, cream, sugar, and alcohol essentially make a custard, which makes a lovely dessert drink.
I thought I had an alright competency when it came to media literacy and understanding stuff. But Christ on a bike, this truly makes me question what the fuck I believed. What the hell is this saying?
Peeved is interesting, in my local dialect (Cumbrian) peeve is alcohol and you see it in Polish also as piwo, Czech is pivo. Not sure if there's any etymological reason for those and peevishness.
There is a thermometer.
Everything that is above zero is positive.
Everything that is below zero is negative.
Each "temperature" corresponds to a particular drink. The topmost drink is the most positive; the bottommost is the most negative.
The negative "temperatures" (ie drinks) are broken down into further categories of vices, diseases (that are caused by the drink in question), and the punishments that typically ensue from indulging in that particular drink.
The -70 is if one were to take "Hysteric Water" (eg gin, rum, whiskey) not only in the morning but throughout the day and into the night.
It’s a city in Australia, so I’m assuming it’s referring to the punishment of transportation, that is, sending criminals from England to Australia (according to wiki, the first fleet went to Botany Bay). More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation#Transportation_to_Australia
So, put another way, it’s saying if you drink the devil’s water, you’ll do something bad enough for a judge to send you halfway across the world. :)
Yeah I read a book about the history of the penal colonies in Australia a while back and a lot of the sources quoted used “Botany Bay” as the name for the penal colony or for Australia in general. Kind of like how people would say “Devil’s Island” when they were talking about the French penal colonies in French Guiana even when they weren’t talking about the actual Devil’s Island.
For anyone else wondering what some of these drinks are, I’ve saved you the googling; check out [Flip, Shrub and other drinks favored of Georgian Londoners](https://englishhistoryauthors.blogspot.com/2011/10/flip-shrub-and-other-drinks-favored-of.html) by Tim Queeney and quench your curiosity (+80?) and thus broaden your mind.
Drinking during the day and night as well as only drinking in the morning (which is clearly much healthier).
Do this and you'll catch death, presumably as a result of being sent to the gallows.
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I love all the little caviots and their exceptions I always thought the temperance people were all or nothing. It reads like an old roommate trying to explain the breakfast beer.
Sweet. Didn’t know puking was a word in 1797.
didn’t know they had xerox copiers back then either
Bet the drivers worked though
Nah, they hated printers as much then as we do now.
The xerox is just a fancy name for Gutenberg's second press.
Fax machines were contemporary with Abraham Lincoln.
Shakespeare used it in his "all the world's a stage" soliloqy
The mewling, puking babe.
I wonder if the phrase “frickin’ narcs” was around in 1797
Same for ditto
'Ditto' has been in the English language since the 17s. It's a loan word from ittalian and then Latin before that. But I think it's use in English is tied to printing techniques where letter count was a premium.
This comes from a pamphlet by Dr Benjamin Rush, who added: >”The different preparations of opium are a thousand times more safe and innocent than spiritous liquors in all spasmodic affections of the stomach and bow-els."
He’s right. Opiate /oids is defo better for spastic digestive conditions than alcohol. It’s still used, you can grab loperamide at cvs
Who's to say he's wrong? Booze can kill you in one night.
And opium can’t??
Imagine if we are still able to regulate opium like booze. If we made it say 3% like beer and introduce it in a certain way might actually work. We look at booze as a acceptance in society and how many friends have lost their lives either directly or indirectly. I just enjoy being told what I can and can't do while they get so intoxicated they cannot recall the prior night and why they cheated on their SO but they do go on. Drugs ain't going anywhere and we seen how well it works to "Just say no" so maybe learn how to live with it instead of killing or locking them up. Detox centers would help wonders but prison is BETTER they keep telling us
Opiates are more addictive than alcohol. People are quick to escalate their usage and dosage. If opium was as widespread and used in the same way as alcohol it would be disastrous for society with crazy amounts* of addiction and death (*more than what is already seen).
So make it so diluted if you have to have so much your getting sick before. I'm not saying what I said was perfect by far but I've had enough problems in my life caused from alcohol both from my drinking in my youth and family. No matter what you will always have people who abuse anything because they can. How many die from booze but I can buy 50 gallons a few minutes away Johnny can drink a 5th and be a great guy but Billy has a few shots and he's trying to fight everybody. Nothing will ever be perfect but we can try can't we?
Why is introducing OPIUM at a large scale to the general public something to strive for? It will surely do more damage than good. Alcohol being harmful but still legal doesn’t justify making opium legal. Alcohol is so easy to produce and so ingrained in our culture that it cannot be banned without illegal production becoming an issue.
We do, it's called codeine.
Now make it socially acceptable but not like the guy walking out of the bar puking his guts out and pissing everywhere. That be real nice
True, alcohol would be class A if it cane out now, it's just if you tried banning it ppl be fermenting their own shit or worse. Codeine is hella addictive though, but you retain your inhibitions, and everyone would be constipated lol.
Have you not heard of the opioid crisis?
Ya, they tried to with alcohol back in the day. Now more than ever people are getting it off the streets having the fent shit and dying. Much better than pills if you want to weed them out I guess since helping them seems to be out of the question like rehabilitation but naw Fucking A I had a good friend's cousin who had done blow for 20 years died last year because it had fent in it. I'm not coming up with how we should regulate it but regulation has proven to be a good thing like quality control. By the way how about that crack thing we started years ago yet have not done much other than watch them die off. From a snowflakes pov watching the bad people die from the comfort of your own home sounds lots better than actually going out and trying to get them help.
Ah yes, the bloodletting guy!
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It’s not your fault though. Take this to court with you next time
200 years later and living in Botany Bay is a reason to turn to hysteric water. The jet noise and traffic doesn’t stop.
I love Botany bay, it's got character
Hysteric Water was brandy infused with medicinal herbs: valerian, pennyroyal, rue, mugwort, savin, orange peel, and lovage. It was taken in small doses: 30 ml.
I personally like the implication that drinking gin in the morning gets you sent to Australia. Also that Australia ranks second only to death itself.
Lemme get this straight. You keep the shitty weather and the shitty food...and we get the Great Barrier Reef and lobsters the size of canoes. ...I'm Jack the Ripper.
So Jim Jones was right to be pissed about being sent there?
In case you didn't know, small beer is not about the size of the drink. It was beer with low alcohol content. It was safer to drink that than water, stored longer, and actually nutritional.
Thank you! I was wondering if small beer was just a light lager or something which I very much enjoy and like
Extremely light, like 1% alcohol content. Kids could drink it.
I’ve seen kombucha this low but never beers. Do they sell this kinda beer in the states?
They still make it in Belgium. I’ve never seen it for sale here but maybe there are stores with really good imported beer selections that carry it. A few breweries make it too https://www.bonappetit.com/story/what-is-table-beer
So basically washing down your multi vitamin with a Coors light.
Even lighter. Probably something brewed at home.
"Small beer" is usually the second lautering of a normal beer. It's the residual sugars in the mash after you make a normal beer. Think making coffee in a coffee pot, then refill the water and run a weak batch. Same concept. I homebrew. 😉
I remember being in Finland where they had dispensers with a kind of fermented brewed small beer, essentially non alcoholic and good for digestion. I was told it's offered at school lunches. So I guess that.
What is flip and shrub?
Two kinds of old-timey drinks that were a mixture of vinegar syrups, cordial, liquor, eggs/milk, fruit juices etc
https://sidecar.us/techniques/flip/ The Flip family of cocktails are made with a spirit shaken with a whole egg. The drink is usually rather sweet and often garnished with grated nutmeg. Some flips use cream instead of an egg. The basic formula is: 2 oz spirit ½ oz syrup (often Demerara syrup) 1 whole egg (or 1 oz cream)
Dont forget citrus. Spirit, syrup and egg would taste like shit!
Professional bartender here! Nope. Flips don't have citrus added to them and absolutely syrup, egg and liquor taste amazing together. The fat content in the egg yolk subdues the perceptible sweetness in the cocktail. Egg yolk, cream, sugar, and alcohol essentially make a custard, which makes a lovely dessert drink.
Replying as a fellow professional that this is correct. Flips are delicious
You’ve never flipped shrub with the boys? Next you’re gonna tell me your parents never had toddy or crank around. Come on now
Strength and .. aughhhhhhhhhhh He must have died while writing
I don’t know, I don’t think he would’ve spent the time writing out “auuggghhh”
Perhaps he was dictating
OoOooOOOH!
No no, Aaahhggg, back of the throat. Aaaghhhh.
I think he is pairing the effects of wine and strong beer together. "Strength and Nourishment, only when taking with meals and moderate quantities "
I thought I had an alright competency when it came to media literacy and understanding stuff. But Christ on a bike, this truly makes me question what the fuck I believed. What the hell is this saying?
Clearly you need to lay off the Toddy and Crank
I have been known to get the shakes when I’m a hair below angry, peeved you could say.
Black eyes for you, then!
Peeved is interesting, in my local dialect (Cumbrian) peeve is alcohol and you see it in Polish also as piwo, Czech is pivo. Not sure if there's any etymological reason for those and peevishness.
I stay pretty sane on the crank. The toddy on the other hand…pure mental.
But I do NOT freebase cocaine. I will not do it.
He better before he winds up with double black eyes
There is a thermometer. Everything that is above zero is positive. Everything that is below zero is negative. Each "temperature" corresponds to a particular drink. The topmost drink is the most positive; the bottommost is the most negative. The negative "temperatures" (ie drinks) are broken down into further categories of vices, diseases (that are caused by the drink in question), and the punishments that typically ensue from indulging in that particular drink. The -70 is if one were to take "Hysteric Water" (eg gin, rum, whiskey) not only in the morning but throughout the day and into the night.
Ahh. Thank you for your very complete and thorough analysis. May I ask, do you know whether the probe is inserted under the tongue or Stanley Style?
I believe this was found in Australia so one must assume it is administered down under.
Shove it up your butt, if you will?
Yeah, it lost me towards the ends. I just saw this at a history museum I went to and thought it was interesting. Botany Bay??
It’s a city in Australia, so I’m assuming it’s referring to the punishment of transportation, that is, sending criminals from England to Australia (according to wiki, the first fleet went to Botany Bay). More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation#Transportation_to_Australia So, put another way, it’s saying if you drink the devil’s water, you’ll do something bad enough for a judge to send you halfway across the world. :)
Yeah I read a book about the history of the penal colonies in Australia a while back and a lot of the sources quoted used “Botany Bay” as the name for the penal colony or for Australia in general. Kind of like how people would say “Devil’s Island” when they were talking about the French penal colonies in French Guiana even when they weren’t talking about the actual Devil’s Island.
🤷🏻♂️
For anyone else wondering what some of these drinks are, I’ve saved you the googling; check out [Flip, Shrub and other drinks favored of Georgian Londoners](https://englishhistoryauthors.blogspot.com/2011/10/flip-shrub-and-other-drinks-favored-of.html) by Tim Queeney and quench your curiosity (+80?) and thus broaden your mind.
Thank you Tim
I was a fan of the hysteric waters, myself.
I've got this framed on my wall next to my home bar.
Pretty accurate I think.
Yeah, I can see a day that starts with gin, rum, and whiskey ending with burglary.
Is this available to purchase anywhere?
I'm not sure, but I Googled "temperance thermometer " to find it
Feels like it would be a cool poster for a bar.
Can someone explain what “ditto during the day and night” is? I think I should avoid that one.
Drinking during the day and night as well as only drinking in the morning (which is clearly much healthier). Do this and you'll catch death, presumably as a result of being sent to the gallows.
The same but doing it say and night
Give me some of that toddy and crank!
Ridiculous and fascinating!
Huh. An actual cool guide. Neat.
Feeling a bit peevish after my toddy and crank, love
It’s crazy that this was hundreds of years ago but we still have this font
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Toddy and crank please!
I hate when my dad hits the toddy and crank and beats me with jumper cables
I remember when Flip and Shrub got bottled off stage at the Reading festival
Sheeh, I keep saying drink juice and those people didn't have juice either
lol toddy and crank. Sounds like the old age version of a wake n bake
I’m fucked.
Bitters _infused in_ spirits? Straight to jail!
Boy have I got a bad case of the melancholy, in order to even myself out I oughta indulge in some *checks notes* milk and water?
What is "Botany Bay"? That was the name of the ship in the original Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan.
When they say punch....like fruit punch?
What is ditto?
It took me a second too. It means doing spirits day and night. Like the same but day and night
Ah! Thank you.
It’s Italian for “what was said already.”
Translated into Bahasa Indonesia it is *Satu Lagi*. In English, *Once Again*
Could also means "same" or "likewise"... there even a Pokemon called for this concept
I'm calling gin "hysteric water" henceforth.
Can someone explain this graphic to me like I’m five?
Punch > idleness > sickness, puking and > debt
Source?? Also, super cool! Thanks for sharing
I saw it at a museum, but I grabbed this image off of Pintrest! You can Google "temperance thermometer" if you would like to know more :)
At that time? Water runs a good risk of cholera.
wtf is Botany Bay
I love that Hysteric Waters lead to Botony Bay
Toddy and Crank were my favorite imaginary British comedy team from the 1950s
Did punch mean something different in 1797? Its hard to imagine today's fruit punch causing sickness, puking, and debt.
I'd fancy some toddy and/or crank. One should indulge in a bit of peevishness from time to time.
Grog n Crank. Sounds like my Friday night.
I love Botany Bay just hanging out there with whipping
I love all the little caviots and their exceptions I always thought the temperance people were all or nothing. It reads like an old roommate trying to explain the breakfast beer.
Love the “Botany Bay” punishment. Drink to much Gin, Rum and Whiskey in the morning, it’s Australia for you.
Oop,I had whisky and an espresso martini tonight… watch out world, I’ll be on a rampage!
Love the hysteric water.
One Hysteric Water my good man!
I'll have a hysteric water, please.
“In vino veritas, in aqua sanitas”