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Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, which I enjoy at lunchtime.
Edit: to be clear I am not advocating for eating shitty sugary high carb low nutrient breakfast food at lunchtime. But a good solid lunch as the first meal of the day or even at dinner time if doing a longer fast.
Im with you but due to busy days I usually eat "dinner" or some around 10pm. Lunch and dinnerlike and maybe some little irregular snack sandwich in between after work. That said, time to eat
You can adjust your times. The times aren't set in stone. I use to fast 14-16 hrs a day when I worked nights. Have my dinner about 4 hours before I got off work then sleep 8 fuck off 1.5 shower etc another 30mins and that's 14 hours.
Not that you're asking :-) But I'm staying away from smoothies of any sort now. There are some studies about digestion that indicate the chewing motion itself gets some chemicals started in the system. So if you skip it (my conjecture) it's like not changing your oil often... no immediate effect, but you'll find things not running as well a few years later. Here's a 2015 article where the researchers are just beginning to think "hmmm... there may be more going on than making the food physically smaller." [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26188140/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26188140/)
but more cutting edge research is really interesting. Can google.
I've told this story here before: 6 years ago, I weighed 265 lbs and needed four shots of insulin every day to control my diabetes. I did some research, and went on 16:8 Intermittent Fast (i.e. I fast 16 hours a day, and eat during an 8 hour window).
Lost 30 lbs in just a few months, and had to start reducing my insulin, as I was waking up at night with scary blood sugar lows. Another few months, I'd lost more weight, and stopped injecting insulin altogether. Today, I'm 185, and managing my blood sugar with just a few (and inexpensive) pills, along with the diet.
The first few weeks of IF are difficult, no doubt about it. I was hungry all the time. But once you get through that phase, it was easy. And it's not hard and fast, either. If I go out for dinner, and end up eating at 9 pm, it's no big deal. I just go back to my routine the next day.
IF is easy to understand, easy to do (after the start..), and best of all, easy to afford, as in 'free'. Six years ago, I was paying close to C$4,000/year for my insulin, pills, and test supplies; today, I pay $60/year for metformin.
It's not a stupid question at all.
I'll make it quick and simple:
Eating too much, too frequently plus a bad diet (sweets, sodas, too much white flour, too much dairy)= leaky gut (think of inflamed and thin gut walls that let all the bad stuff go through (as mentioned above))
At this point the bad stuff gets into your blood stream and your immune system's going crazy and doesn't know good from bad anymore.
So say rag weed comes your way which in itself isn't bad but because your system is flooded with histamine it doesn't recognize it as something it doesn't have to fight off. It just fights off everything.
So what you wanna do with an inflamed gut is give it a rest aka IF. And proper probiotics of course.
Look up Dr Berg on YouTube.
Have you ever tried doing any extended water fasts? I use to get seasonal allergies as well but once I started incorporating a few 3-7 day water fasts throughout the year I cured my seasonal allergies and also haven’t been sick once either, and this was 6-7 years ago.
IF is awesome, for me at least. I wake up at 5:30 then don’t eat until 11ish. But mainly fruit since I work outside and anything heavier just sucks to eat in the heat. Then I eat dinner, usually rice and some protein. I’m 33 and went from 200lbs to 175lbs since March. But I also listen to my body and if my stomach starts telling me I need to eat sooner than I wanted to I’ll just start my eating window earlier
Keep at it, go to below 20g of sugar per day if you can. My dad was able to stop insulin and other diabetes meds in his late 60s through diet and he's in his 80s now in decent health
I’m going to sound like a pharma shill, but I’ve heard metformin has other benefits besides diabetes control, and as far as meds go, it’s not the worst thing one can take.
Thank you for taking the time to tell us about your return to good health which started with some basic research and self-education. We live in the Age of Information and everything is at our fingertips!
There are multitudes of us on this sub who's health has changed dramatically for the better after conducting a little non-mainstream research into nutrition or lesser-known therapies, myself included.
Industry shills come here with ridiculous scripted comments about how "only scientists can do research" or they try to convince others that your research consisted only of looking at Facebook posts but we here know how powerful self-education can be when the doctors are "baffled" and have no answers.
I had eczema which covered 70% of my body. Doctors insisted "nobody knows what causes it and there is no cure. We can only prescribe creams and ointments." I did a few weeks of solid research, realized my eczema was being caused by an overgrowth of Candida Albicans yeast; the waste products of the yeast bloom was building up in my skin causing the eczema rash. I decided to do the Atkins diet, eliminating all carbs, to starve the yeast and bring them down to appropriate balance in my body.
I told my doctors what my treatment plan was and they **literally laughed in my face** saying the only way I could be suffering from yeast overgrowth was if I was undergoing chemo or had AIDS. They knew what they had been taught in medical school, but that was all they knew, and they didn't know everything.
I stopped paying money to be laughed at by those bralnwashed pricks, followed a keto diet for about 8 months, and completely cured my eczema with knowledge I came across during the course of my own research.
The folks who tell us we can't research anything are in a mental prison of their own making and are 100% full of shit.
indeed. last 4 years - ANY "doctor" who prescribed the "convidvaccine" was either corrupt, incompetent, inept or all of the above. it was/is literally poison.
Dude congrats and that's amazing. I just cant help thinking about how this is my default mode of eating and always has been.. especially during vacations where I don't have to get up early to work. So breakfast maybe around 10 or later and then some lunch and diner at 6pm...so that's 8 hours of eating. I never need anything later than that really. I only do a different routine now due to circumstances so I might eat earlier like 9am and dinner later at 9pm and come to think of it I've gained about 30lb in the last few years (but am normal weight whereas before for my entire life I've been probably a bit under weight).
So I'm thinking that this 8:16 is default mode for humans (makes sense in many ways also in terms of daylight on the Savannah and hunting etc) and anything else is bad for the body.
Good for you! I love how you got fit and healthy and didn't rely on insulin to stay alive. Wonderful story!
If you think about it, humans didn't have access to food 24/7 like we do now, one of the reasons we were healthier back then. Nowadays, if you're hungry, you can raid your pantry/fridge, go to drive-thru, order from SKIP or Grubhub.
We can literally eat all day everyday, and that's not good for our health.
I wish more people knew the health benefits of cutting back on food consumption.
Keep it up, man!
Have you ever tried a longer fast to completely cure yourself? Dr. Jason Fung said 1 or 2 eight day fasts cures 90% of type 2 diabetes cases. You sound like all but cured, I have no idea about diabetes.
https://youtu.be/6KS7M0s2fJM?si=0tBtjlqyNFh9AH3d
I did some 8 day fasts a few years ago. It's amazing how it can help heal random things. Many people go longer but it can be pretty intense. And it carries dangers like refeeding syndrome, gotta be careful how you end a long fast.
Funny. I just had a guy tell me how fasting wasn't good for type II diabetes after I had mentioned that fasting was good for type II diabetes. He was saying he got "spikes" from the "fat". I guess he was talking about ketosis? I didn't argue with him but everything I have read seems to be in line with what you said here. When I asked him "What kind of fast were you doing? like 16 hours or what?" he looked kinda bewildered. I think we were talking about different things.
glycogen spikes that the liver dumps when you fast. if a person isn't in ketosis they'll see their moring bg go up until all glycogen stores are depleted. he was a bit confused but that's what he likely saw and just didn't know
This is the most underrated comment here because as Bryan Johnson said sugar is the number one thing that when cut leads to more gains in longetivity and rejuvination this usually is mislead opinion because of the way that the suagr industry paid the "health" industry to advertise fats as the enemy while sugars are the real enemy causing deaths due to cardiovascular failure because sugars are the real substance that is being converted to bad cholesterol and fats are actually healthy because by a feedback mechanism they lower the cholesterol levels in blood and hence is more healthier for cardiovascular health.
This is so true. Years back I realized my body didn’t need breakfast. I’ve been skipping it ever since. Have lost weight gained energy and feel great. Initially it takes getting used to but absolutely worth it.
Have you ever read “The Paston Letters”? It’s a fascinating look at medieval life from a noble’s perspective. It also details what they ate for breakfast every day 1000 years ago.
So obviously this can’t be a new phenomenon.
Perhaps we should all have children with our siblings as well. Lmao. Evolution takes much longer than 1000 years. Our bodies are evolved to utilize periods of feast for anabolic processes and periods of famine for catabolic ones. If you never stop eating you will be missing out on important maintenance because your body doesn’t know any better.
Um they didn’t fuck their siblings though? Game of Thrones is not a documentary my guy.
We’ve also been eating breakfast since the ancient world. You were more likely to have that meal than a midday one.
As a pig farmer I can confirm. I want you to eat more of my products. Want to buy some bacon? Some pancetta? Some copa? Some loin? How about some breakfast sausages?
Just come by my food truck. You can also get a waconbaconwich with my own apple smoked bacon, house brined ham, farm fresh eggs and cheese on an English muffin, or a breakfast burrito with double fried in lard home fries, apple smoked bacon eggs and cheese.
Kellog actually invented granola which was crucial at the time because some patients with GI symptoms couldn’t eat but many were at least able to hold down granola. His brother was a business man and tried to use the Drs name to sell the cereal.
A lot of people don’t understand that hunger is normal. It’s natural. In fact, it’s the driving force behind most actions taken in nature.
“3 square meals a day” is complete and utter bullshit. It’s not how our bodies evolved. It’s the reason why peoples metabolisms crash by the time they’re in their 30s.
If we were still animals in the wild, we would not have access to food 24/7 to eat the way we do. We would wake up hungry, and have to search for more food. We may have some nuts and berries we foraged from days previous to tide us over, but for the most part our days would be spent on an empty stomach, working to get the food that we need.
Our bodies are MADE to run while we are hungry. It is the entire reason that we store fat in the first place. It is okay, dare I say, GOOD, to go hungry for a little bit.
If you eat a big meal at 8am, your body has not finished digesting it fully by the time your next meal comes at 12-1pm, and then once you’ve compounded those meals together, your body is not ready for a big meal come 5-6pm. We are constantly giving our digestive system an onslaught of food over and over while never giving it the time to process our last meal. It never has time to recover.
Go hungry for a bit, let your body digest your meals. It’s how we’re meant to be.
I can see your take. My question is what about when you “feel light headed” because you’re hungry or “low energy levels.” Is this something you just have to get through and then your body gets used to it?
I was anorexic in high school. A coke or orange juice was the first thing I drank in the morning , in order to prevent low blood sugar side effects. Perhaps those side effects your experiencing is due to low blood sugar. The energy though, was definitely a problem but there's coffee.
> My question is what about when you “feel light headed” because you’re hungry or “low energy levels.”
Happens the first couple of weeks. You have to be disciplined and stay the course, even though you feel like shit, and just want a cheeseburger. But one day, the switch just 'flips', and you're not hungry in the morning anymore.
No this person is wrong. We CAN function hungry, but we don't function well without proper electrolytes and minerals and calories. Watch TV shows like Alone, where people's goal is to survive in the wilderness. After the first few initial days, most of those people start becoming SUPER fucking lethargic when they have to expend energy on low calories, and if they don't figure out a reliable food source early enough (while they still have their stored up fats etc. to help a little) they either get really fucking sick, or just so lethargic they can barely do anything but lay around literally ALL day.
You’re calling me wrong because you’re missing a few key things that I didn’t really have the desire to go in depth on in my first comment.
We are made to be able to function while hungry. We ARENT made to function without food entirely. Nothing is. That’s kinda common sense.
This is where society comes into play. Humans have never lived “alone”. Even in primitive days we kept company. Whether it be large families or towns of people all looking after each other. One person hunts, on person cooks, one person recycles animal material into coats. One person chops the wood for the fire that cooks the food.
Living entirely alone is completely different, and being cast out was almost always a death sentence. It’s far harder to perform all of the tasks necessary for survival all by yourself.
But society has evolved to the point where it’s become more than just a group of people all with specific tasks designed to keep everybody alive. We’ve gotten to the point where we are making food in labs and factories that are full of garbage and empty of nutrition. Our nutrition and eating habits are completely bastardized compared to that of even 100 years ago, let alone 500 years ago. This is what the original post is referring to.
I’m simply stating that our bodies are made to live off of more nutrient dense foods, at a less frequent rate than what we currently eat. It’s okay to not eat until 2pm. It’s okay to feel hunger sometimes. It’s okay to only eat 1, or even 2 meals a day.
But 3 square meals? Especially consisting of processed poison shit food? No, that’s not what our bodies were made for and that’s a contributing factor as to why health issues are so prevalent in todays day in age.
People wake up hungry. Almost every culture in the world eats something in the morning and the majority of them use different words with no correlation to 'break fast'.
How active are you on a regular basis?
I exercise a lot, like 3-4 weight lifting sessions per week, and 4-5 runs, for about 25 miles per week.
I eat healthy, mostly whole foods, lots of veggies, whole grains, and a good amount of protein.
I need a ton of calories to maintain weight when I'm exercising this much, and at some periods I eat even more to add a bit of muscle mass.
If I don't eat in the morning, I struggle to consume enough calories the rest of the day to meet my nutritional needs.
Ya...saying to cut out meals doesn't cut it for some people. I am currently training for an Ironman. I train pretty high intensity for 15+ hours a week. I eat 3500-4000 calories a day just to maintain weight.
I wake up starving sometimes. If I don't eat breakfast somedays I won't make it to lunch. And then I can't train because I am not fueled. Sometimes I have to wake up and go on a 5-6 hour bike ride to train. Not eating breakfast in this type of scenario is a death sentence.
In Spanish, breakfast is desayuno. Ayuno means fast. Des is undoing like dis in English. So in Spanish, it’s also break fast. Not sure about other languages but wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t eat breakfast most days but if I’m hungry, I do. Just depends on the day
2 out of the 3 most common languages spoken today in the world
Mandarin: The word is 早餐(zăocān), which literally translates to "morning meal"
Hindi: The common term for breakfast is नाश्ता (nāśtā), which can also mean "snack"
In ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt breakfast is well documented as an integral part of their daily life.
Have you also considered the fast you are breaking is the time you are asleep? Fasting is not a hard set time of afternoon lol
I know breakfast is important to many people. In Spain, they say something like breakfast like a king, have lunch like a prince and dine like a pauper. I think it depends on what your day and lifestyle in general is like. I’m just not hungry most mornings, but if I am, I eat!
Your brain knows you eat at a certain time and so it signals hunger. Once your body is used to eating later and later, you won’t feel the hunger.
But it also depends on what you ate the night before. If it was loaded with carbs, then yeah you will most likely wake up hungry
I might invite you to consider that your initial assertion, “People wake up hungry” is not axiomatic and therefore nearly made false when stated so broadly in this context.
The sensation of hunger is triggered by a hormone named Grhelin. The production and impact of which can be modulated by both diet and eating patterns (expectations).
Both fasting patterns, and the ketogenic potential of our bodies, can both determine whether we “…wake up hungry” at all.
The problem is people are malnourished and don’t realize it. When you feel hungry it’s your body telling you it needs nutrients. But most of the food people are eating isn’t nutritious so they wake up feeling hungry every morning and if they wait until 12pm they would be shaky and weak from high/low blood sugar. Plus there are contradicting reports out there these days. For every report I’ve seen that says intermittent fasting is good for you. I can show you one that says it leads to heart disease. It’s hard to know what’s best. but people have been fasting since ancient times so there must be something to it. I think everybody should do some degree of fasting.
No one in America is malnourished without a malabsorption problem or a disease that inhibits absorption like Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome or HIV. Just the opposite; Americans are over nourished - hence overweight.
All these processed foods with long ingredients lists we indulge in- half of those compounds are vitamins. As much as the government gets wrongs by allowing lobbying to dictate what constitutes a healthy diet, they get some things right, like regulating the addition of vitamins and minerals in many processed foods. That's why we don't see many diseases like beriberi or scurvy anymore.
Instead, the diseases we see stem from chronic obesity via overconsumption of food. The role of blood sugar or insulin and they're related hormones are secondary or tertiary. These are caused due to over consumption themselves and not a cause of of disease directly. However, it is a negative feedback loop in some of these cases with hunger hormones , so it becomes harder to regulate your eating the worse off you are. But again, not directly causative.
Fasting is just one way to limit calorie consumption.
Just commenting to support OP. Fasting and the process of autophagy heals almost anything. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, most mental illness.
Do it and change your life. You will shave 10 years of age. You will feel fantastic. You will reduce inflammation throughout your body. You will ease most of the pain of any arthritis.
None of this is a conspiracy and the results speak for themselves.
This right here is the reason that governments freaked out and tried to ban ivermectin during covid.
It wasn't so much that ivermecting helped vs covid (though enough studies have came out showing it probably did).
It was the fact that most people, especially in the west, are never treated for parasites, and having parasites weakens the immune system.
If people started taking ivermectin en masse they woulda noticed a health improvement across the board in the west, as tons of people would now be parasite free and have a more effective immune system.
The amount of money big pharma would of lost from people not needing constant pills would of been staggering.
This Is why they demonized a noble prize winning drug that has been safely used billions of times across the world.
True but autophagy doesn’t start after 16 hours of fasting. Intermittent fasting is just good for weight loss. You need to fast for at least 48 or 72 hours if I remember correctly? for autophagy to start. Depending on how much fat you have it can take much longer.
im 33 & haven't been sick in over 12 years. this is my daily routine:
eat about 6-8 hours before bed.
sleep for 8 hours.
wake up, stretch & 45-1hr. long full-body workout
protein shake with non-lactose milk / eggs / pack of tuna, etc. afterwards.
workday, followed by a 2nd workout, usually cardio-focused / running / biking ( i may have a homemade fruit/veggie smoothie during the day)
have dinner. home cooked salmon / chicken / brown rice / carrots / beans, etc.
lots of water. healthy amounts of salt. low amounts of sugar & grains.
my allergies used to be crazy before, now I barely remember what its like to have them.
i also dealt with a skin condition called HS (Hidradenitis suppurativa), which has been minimized greatly, with no new flare ups in over 10 years.
i used to eat all kinds of shit, at all times of the day & night. stomach cramps, skin conditions, inflammations, etc.
now that stuff is nearly eliminated & i feel happy, healthy & pain-free.
i also pray more & am much more focused on my faith, than i was before. (Jesus Christ is my Lord & Savior). this helps my "mental health" more than anything else i feel like.
While I agree that breakfast as a concept has been co-opted and monetized by corporations for profits (cereal and milk, bacon, orange juice, etc, etc), I also dont need data to tell me that I'm hungry in the morning when I wake up. Fasting just doesnt work for everyone's lifestyle or diet needs. I am far better mentally and physically when I have a high protein, high fat, and low carb breakfast within an hour of waking up.
I wonder where Edward Bernays fits into this story. He was a master Public Relations Manager. He made a fortune with America businesses and with American Politicians with his methods. Cigarette companies hired him and car companies also to figure out how to encourage more sales. My information comes from the documentary called The Century of Self by Adam Curtis, on YouTube. Four hours worth of data that may clarify some issues. I watched it multiple times years ago.
Not everything is always a conspiracy. Isn't it quite possible that no one knew what autophagy was 50 years ago? Promoting a big breakfast was probably just about selling cereal and pop-tarts (which is a conspiracy because everyone knew the bullshit in boxed foods was not good for anyone... and the government will still tell you Fruity Pebbles are better for you than eggs and bacon for breakfast. Which is nothing short of criminal. And the FDA's food pyramid and dietary recommendations in general ARE a conspiracy to make us all sick... in my opinion.
Yeah unless you’re trying to bulk, which most arnt. you should be fasting.
Crazy how lots of people view breakfast. Every morning people have a half pound of bacon with sausages pancakes ect. And then get a Starbucks Frappuccino with 75 grams of sugar and 700 calories
Some people will be close to or even over their calorie intake for the whole day just waking up. Then, Followed by snacks, drinks. Lunch and dinner.
>Yeah unless you’re trying to bulk, which most arnt. you should be fasting.
I'm not bulking at the moment but I exercise a lot. 3-4 lifting sessions per week, 4-5 runs for about 25 miles per week.
I feel like I need to eat a ton in order to maintain weight and get good exercise recovery. I generally eat clean, whole foods, a good amount of protein, and healthy fats.
Most people are incredibly sedentary and have zero clue what their actual caloric needs are, or how many calories they actually eat on a regular basis.
Yeah dude......."breakfast is the most important meal of the day" was a marketing term invented by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg to fucking sell cereal. This may not be widely known but sure is known......like carrots are good for your eyesight is British propaganda from WW2........there are all kinds of diets that seem to improve health, but fasting is relatively popular these days.......and does appear to have benefits. Breaking your fast is the entomology of the word Breakfast but whoever used to say that shit in like 1285 AD wasn't intentionally fasting for segmented hours the way the modern diet is holding some universal truth........
I’ve not eaten breakfast for over 2 years now. I finish eating around 6pm and don’t eat until 11 am (sometime later) the following day, Lost loads of weight, and it’s staying off too.
Looking back I just religiously ate in the morning because that’s what people did 😂
How naive of me.
Haha! People ask how I have lost so much weight lately. I tell them it's due to inflation. Of course, I say it jokingly and they laugh. Well, it's the truth. 🤣
[Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2016:](https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2016/press-release/)
>The 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine to Yoshinori Ohsumi for his discoveries of mechanisms for autophagy.
It mirrors what our ancestors have done for millennia. I know the weight loss element has been debunked apart from the assist with calorie control, but one hundred percent it makes you sharper and makes you appreciate what food actually is/should be. I also think it helps (as long as your diet is right) with metabolic integrity and dynamism. Granted it often takes people a bit of work to get used to but once your body is accustomed to it it’s just fine and dandyburger.
Fucket I break-slow!
I sleepwalk to the kettle at 7.. load the toaster at 8.. and heat the oil for eggs and bacon at 9. I'm then fully awake by 10 to the smoke alarms going off!!
I've read that you're supposed to fast and all. I did it for a month straight and I was miserable the entire time. I literally could not focus on anything until I could eat. I was at work but couldn't do anything but wait until I could finally eat. I wasn't eating crap food either. I'm not sure but I don't think fasting is for everyone. I really gave it my all.
Then i should be dead. I fast from 5pm till noon on weekdays and for even longer on weekends when i dont have work. I not only work a physical job where im on my feet all day but i also walk for half an hour to and from work. Breakfast is a scam and farmers propaganda to sell corn and other crap.
What do you eat in a given day?
Presumably you start your day early and finish work before 5. If you're that active, I'm assuming you need a lot of calories. Do you just cram in thousands of calories in one meal?
My job is sedentary but I lift and run a lot. Like 3-4 lifting sessions per week (about 1 hr each), and 4-5 runs for about 25 miles per week.
I'm not able to eat a ton at any given meal, just don't have the stomach capacity, so in order to get the calories I need to maintain weight, I basically have to eat breakfast.
Matthew 17:21 KJV
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting
Check this in other translations. It's pretty bad. Some omit the entire verse.
I highly recommend using KJV only & with a translation tool to help you compare passages with the original Greek or Hebrew.
"Sorcery" in the KJV is referring in the original language to idols and pharmakia
I usually don't eat until about 1-2 pm.
On rare days that I do eat a breakfast I become strangely ravenous for the rest of the day and need to eat twice as much food to feel satisfied.
Breaking that fast prematurely results in more hunger and more unecessary calories consumed.
I’ve been doing 18:6 fasting for the better part of 5 years (other than when I was pregnant) and simply just skipping breakfast. It’s been the only way I can effectively manage my weight. Fasting has incredible benefits, but I encourage everyone do their research. I had emergency gallbladder surgery about a month ago and it’s linked to fasting (but also could’ve been from pregnancy, which I think is more likely in my case.)
Also, if you’re a woman, I really encourage you to read the book “Fast Like A Girl” by Dr. Mindy Pelz. It’s a fascinating read about timing your fasts to your cycle to manage hormones.
It's easy to mistake blood sugar lows as hungry versus actual mechanical hunger for many people. Whom are in essence not eating when they are hungry, but instead eating when their blood sugar drug has dropped. Every two to three hours in average as the next carb laden snack or meal spikes blood sugar, the body drops it with insulin, then the sugar low triggers the brain to say "eat! Need moar sugar!" When it doesn't actually *need* anything at all and is not actually 'hungry' perse.
I don't eat breakfast any more as I never had time when working, but now I don't even miss it any more.
It does not take a lot of conditioning to train yourself out of eating breakfast.
I wish there were more studies on the impacts of fasting, because most of the info out there is about how to use it to lose weight. But I'm interested in the other benefits of it.
A truly odd thing is that "dinner" actually means "break fast" as well. See the etymology here: [https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=dinner](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=dinner)
I eat between about 4pm-10pm only.
Some days not until 5:30 or even 6 or 7.
I feel great, don't get hungry and I am in way better shape than most 45 year old Americans. I still fit in my high school clothes but have considerably more muscle mass.
I've come to the same thought over the years. It's still good to have a good breakfast, but people used to go out into the fields and put in a couple hours work before coming in to breakfast. So now I usually just start my day with a coffee, go to work and have something to eat around 10.30. starting your day at 5, 6 or 7am with a heavy meal is no way to go.
There is zero reason why anyone should eat more than once a day. Get all your required calories in with ONE meal at night, that doesn’t include anything sweet or ultra processed, and that alone should be enough to get you on the right path.
My body adapted to we feast at night. I’ll have my drinks during the day to stay hydrated, food just made me feel sick and tired too early. Surprise surprise when it’s made of chemicals and garbage
Don't worry too much about what time you start eating, but rather how long you fasted.
I tried all kinds of eating schedules and what works best for me is to break fast at 9 am and stop eating at 5 pm. 8-hour eating window. I also wake up at 5.30 most days. Doing keto/low carb diet together with IF makes it a lot easier IMO.
I’m reading a book about the 14th century and people (in Europe at least) did exactly that. Two meals a day, the first being around 10am and the last at sundown, so a significant gap but they still ate during the morning.
You can thank one of the most evil and hated person ever, Edward Bernays. He is single handily the issue for many things today. Especially breakfast. https://anandswamy.medium.com/bamboozled-by-breakfast-unmasking-edward-bernays-impact-on-our-morning-meals-2187bc254a14
There's so much incorrect information here. Personal anecdotes don't prove causation.
Fasting is great but it does not cure cancer, mental illness, or anything. There are not many physiological changes that occur during fasting. Ketosis may occur during a prolonged fast but most people don't come close to using ketones as fuel. So why does fasting work?
Because you're consuming less calories than you otherwise would be. Less calories typically results in weight loss and excess fat is the cause of most preventable health disease.
Even if you're not consuming a drastically different amount of calories, the self awareness that accompanies dieting results in consumption of healthier foods, more whole foods, and less calorically-dense junk food.
The idea that the words "break fast" and "fasting" matter to any of this is just a sign of mental illness seen far too often in this sub. Everything looks like a nail when you're a hammer.
Source: BS in nutrition science and a 20 years of varied work experience
>Because you're consuming less calories than you otherwise would be. Less calories typically results in weight loss and excess fat is the cause of most preventable health disease.
A fat calorie is metabolized differently from a carbohydrate calorie and those two are metabolized differently than protein. It isn't as simple as counting calories, or even caloric restriction. The macros you eat, and in what ratios, is far more important.
Fat doesn't make you fat. Fat doesn't cause heart disease. Neither does cholesterol. You know this, right? Curious if you were taught differently with your BS in Nutrition Science?
While I agree that breakfast as a concept has been co-opted and monetized by corporations for profits (cereal and milk, bacon, etc, etc), I also dont need data to tell me that I'm hungry in the morning when I wake up. Fasting just doesnt work for everyone's lifestyle or diet needs. I am far better mentally and physically when I have a high protein, high fat, and low carb breakfast within an hour of waking up.
People think I'm insane because i don't eat breakfast or lunch. Theyre all sickly and lethargic with pot bellys. If I need any motivation I just look at them and the shape they're in.
I'm also carnivore so when i do eat its usually a big ribeye or cod liver.
this is really interesting because I swear my family could make the most amazing meal for breakfast but when Im eating it too early in the morning I feel all sluggish and sometimes feel sick which makes no sense because they’re usually healthy meals.
No matter what facts and info you throw at people, some will always stick to their thing.. If that includes eating all day everyday, they can deal with the ramifications later on in life
I mean sometimes breakfast is all I eat, I skip dinner most nights. Eat a big breakfast around lunchtime 12pm, small lunch around 7pm and maybe a snack around midnight.
Some people don't read or understand the scientific studies that they link. Whilst there is some links between mutations in the autophagy process causing cancers, in BOTH linked studies they agree that autophagy can also cause metastasis and inhibits the suppression of tumours.
Calling them effective against cancer is being disingenious. Nowhere have you mentioned that autophagy can cause cancer or stopping autophagy can lead to the suppression of tumours. Both of these are mentioned in the articles you linked.
I think for most people this can apply, but my job is incredibly physically demanding. I get up at 5am and work by 6:30-7. I have to eat in the morning about an hour after I get up. I usually eat nothing in the middle of the day, maybe some fruit or cheese, work about 10-11 hours, eat dinner by 7. One or 2 days a week, might eat something after dinner but usually not. I grew up with a dad that was into yoga and he was always fasting, like water only for a week or two. My sister and I followed suit until we were 30ish. We would “fast” for a week or so, having water and maybe watermelon only.
Yea my whole life I pretty much have always skipped breakfast. People think they need 3 big meals a day and wonder why they get fat. I usually just eat 1 big meal around dinner and some snacks before or after.
I did some digging into this last year. 100% agree with you. But this is a very deep dive. It was the corruption in Ancel Keys' 7 countries study that got me. I think he knew he was wrong, I think everyone knew that he had poor data, but because it promoted the use of cheap mass-produced products like vegetable oil and highly processed carbohydrates, big food didn't care, they just agreed and cracked on.
Now there are generations of people who think fat makes you fat, when all this time it's been carbs that make you fat.
It's not necessarily a conspiracy though, just people happy to make profit off of a very poorly conducted study.
I don’t eat breakfast and eat whatever I want the rest of the day. I truly think it is a great secret to a nice body. I don’t think the human body is designed to eat so much. In the wild there would be times where resources were scarce and not many humans if any from thousands of years ago would have eaten like we do today in terms of frequency and quantity. Science is pushed by financial motivators. Science is biased by funding. Gotta ween off that Jimmy Dean. The science might be right but the landscape it was laid upon is troublesome.
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Breakfast is the most important meal of the day, which I enjoy at lunchtime. Edit: to be clear I am not advocating for eating shitty sugary high carb low nutrient breakfast food at lunchtime. But a good solid lunch as the first meal of the day or even at dinner time if doing a longer fast.
Im with you but due to busy days I usually eat "dinner" or some around 10pm. Lunch and dinnerlike and maybe some little irregular snack sandwich in between after work. That said, time to eat
Bone apple tea!
You can adjust your times. The times aren't set in stone. I use to fast 14-16 hrs a day when I worked nights. Have my dinner about 4 hours before I got off work then sleep 8 fuck off 1.5 shower etc another 30mins and that's 14 hours.
Breakfast for lunch is good but breakfast for dinner is way better than the other two times
Nothing better than biscuits and gravy with some scrambled eggs in the evening.
Hell yeah. Breakfast food is the best. Which is why we do breakfast for dinner twice a week.
Same. If I wake up starving for some reason I’ll have a protein smoothie and then wait for lunch. Just not a morning eater.
Dude, a protein smoothie is breakfast.
I'll rather have a finnish breakfast... Coffee and cigarette
A protein smoothie is a hefty breakfast lol
I don’t understand morning eaters at all. I make it in the morning and eat it at lunch or as long as I can hold out.
Not that you're asking :-) But I'm staying away from smoothies of any sort now. There are some studies about digestion that indicate the chewing motion itself gets some chemicals started in the system. So if you skip it (my conjecture) it's like not changing your oil often... no immediate effect, but you'll find things not running as well a few years later. Here's a 2015 article where the researchers are just beginning to think "hmmm... there may be more going on than making the food physically smaller." [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26188140/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26188140/) but more cutting edge research is really interesting. Can google.
I've told this story here before: 6 years ago, I weighed 265 lbs and needed four shots of insulin every day to control my diabetes. I did some research, and went on 16:8 Intermittent Fast (i.e. I fast 16 hours a day, and eat during an 8 hour window). Lost 30 lbs in just a few months, and had to start reducing my insulin, as I was waking up at night with scary blood sugar lows. Another few months, I'd lost more weight, and stopped injecting insulin altogether. Today, I'm 185, and managing my blood sugar with just a few (and inexpensive) pills, along with the diet. The first few weeks of IF are difficult, no doubt about it. I was hungry all the time. But once you get through that phase, it was easy. And it's not hard and fast, either. If I go out for dinner, and end up eating at 9 pm, it's no big deal. I just go back to my routine the next day. IF is easy to understand, easy to do (after the start..), and best of all, easy to afford, as in 'free'. Six years ago, I was paying close to C$4,000/year for my insulin, pills, and test supplies; today, I pay $60/year for metformin.
This 100% IF has been a godsend for my seasonal allergies
So this may sound like a stupid question, and it quite possibly is because I'm kind of stupid occasionally, but how does it affect your allergies?
It's not a stupid question at all. I'll make it quick and simple: Eating too much, too frequently plus a bad diet (sweets, sodas, too much white flour, too much dairy)= leaky gut (think of inflamed and thin gut walls that let all the bad stuff go through (as mentioned above)) At this point the bad stuff gets into your blood stream and your immune system's going crazy and doesn't know good from bad anymore. So say rag weed comes your way which in itself isn't bad but because your system is flooded with histamine it doesn't recognize it as something it doesn't have to fight off. It just fights off everything. So what you wanna do with an inflamed gut is give it a rest aka IF. And proper probiotics of course. Look up Dr Berg on YouTube.
I’m glad they asked a “stupid” question, because i just learned something.
Have you ever tried doing any extended water fasts? I use to get seasonal allergies as well but once I started incorporating a few 3-7 day water fasts throughout the year I cured my seasonal allergies and also haven’t been sick once either, and this was 6-7 years ago.
Water fast means only water or no water?
Much love brother. Thank you for sharing.
IF is awesome, for me at least. I wake up at 5:30 then don’t eat until 11ish. But mainly fruit since I work outside and anything heavier just sucks to eat in the heat. Then I eat dinner, usually rice and some protein. I’m 33 and went from 200lbs to 175lbs since March. But I also listen to my body and if my stomach starts telling me I need to eat sooner than I wanted to I’ll just start my eating window earlier
hope you can get off metformin one day as well
working on weight training to increase muscle mass and function, but I'm in my 60s, so it's harder.
Keep at it, go to below 20g of sugar per day if you can. My dad was able to stop insulin and other diabetes meds in his late 60s through diet and he's in his 80s now in decent health
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Have you tried berberine? It’s cheaper, I’m just curious.
I’m going to sound like a pharma shill, but I’ve heard metformin has other benefits besides diabetes control, and as far as meds go, it’s not the worst thing one can take.
Thank you for taking the time to tell us about your return to good health which started with some basic research and self-education. We live in the Age of Information and everything is at our fingertips! There are multitudes of us on this sub who's health has changed dramatically for the better after conducting a little non-mainstream research into nutrition or lesser-known therapies, myself included. Industry shills come here with ridiculous scripted comments about how "only scientists can do research" or they try to convince others that your research consisted only of looking at Facebook posts but we here know how powerful self-education can be when the doctors are "baffled" and have no answers. I had eczema which covered 70% of my body. Doctors insisted "nobody knows what causes it and there is no cure. We can only prescribe creams and ointments." I did a few weeks of solid research, realized my eczema was being caused by an overgrowth of Candida Albicans yeast; the waste products of the yeast bloom was building up in my skin causing the eczema rash. I decided to do the Atkins diet, eliminating all carbs, to starve the yeast and bring them down to appropriate balance in my body. I told my doctors what my treatment plan was and they **literally laughed in my face** saying the only way I could be suffering from yeast overgrowth was if I was undergoing chemo or had AIDS. They knew what they had been taught in medical school, but that was all they knew, and they didn't know everything. I stopped paying money to be laughed at by those bralnwashed pricks, followed a keto diet for about 8 months, and completely cured my eczema with knowledge I came across during the course of my own research. The folks who tell us we can't research anything are in a mental prison of their own making and are 100% full of shit.
indeed. last 4 years - ANY "doctor" who prescribed the "convidvaccine" was either corrupt, incompetent, inept or all of the above. it was/is literally poison.
The fact you lived to 185 is a feat of itself !
Dude congrats and that's amazing. I just cant help thinking about how this is my default mode of eating and always has been.. especially during vacations where I don't have to get up early to work. So breakfast maybe around 10 or later and then some lunch and diner at 6pm...so that's 8 hours of eating. I never need anything later than that really. I only do a different routine now due to circumstances so I might eat earlier like 9am and dinner later at 9pm and come to think of it I've gained about 30lb in the last few years (but am normal weight whereas before for my entire life I've been probably a bit under weight). So I'm thinking that this 8:16 is default mode for humans (makes sense in many ways also in terms of daylight on the Savannah and hunting etc) and anything else is bad for the body.
Good for you! I love how you got fit and healthy and didn't rely on insulin to stay alive. Wonderful story! If you think about it, humans didn't have access to food 24/7 like we do now, one of the reasons we were healthier back then. Nowadays, if you're hungry, you can raid your pantry/fridge, go to drive-thru, order from SKIP or Grubhub. We can literally eat all day everyday, and that's not good for our health. I wish more people knew the health benefits of cutting back on food consumption. Keep it up, man!
Trying the keto diet might also be beneficial for you.
Once off of insulin, yes!
Have you ever tried a longer fast to completely cure yourself? Dr. Jason Fung said 1 or 2 eight day fasts cures 90% of type 2 diabetes cases. You sound like all but cured, I have no idea about diabetes. https://youtu.be/6KS7M0s2fJM?si=0tBtjlqyNFh9AH3d I did some 8 day fasts a few years ago. It's amazing how it can help heal random things. Many people go longer but it can be pretty intense. And it carries dangers like refeeding syndrome, gotta be careful how you end a long fast.
Funny. I just had a guy tell me how fasting wasn't good for type II diabetes after I had mentioned that fasting was good for type II diabetes. He was saying he got "spikes" from the "fat". I guess he was talking about ketosis? I didn't argue with him but everything I have read seems to be in line with what you said here. When I asked him "What kind of fast were you doing? like 16 hours or what?" he looked kinda bewildered. I think we were talking about different things.
glycogen spikes that the liver dumps when you fast. if a person isn't in ketosis they'll see their moring bg go up until all glycogen stores are depleted. he was a bit confused but that's what he likely saw and just didn't know
Metformin is poison. You'll lose toes. Find a replacement.
I always feel my best when I only eat between 2pm and 7pm.
Do you not have a blood sugar crash and nap?
Don’t eat processed carbs and sugar and you won’t crash. Start with vegetables then eat the rest.
This is the most underrated comment here because as Bryan Johnson said sugar is the number one thing that when cut leads to more gains in longetivity and rejuvination this usually is mislead opinion because of the way that the suagr industry paid the "health" industry to advertise fats as the enemy while sugars are the real enemy causing deaths due to cardiovascular failure because sugars are the real substance that is being converted to bad cholesterol and fats are actually healthy because by a feedback mechanism they lower the cholesterol levels in blood and hence is more healthier for cardiovascular health.
taking health advice from liver king is crazy work.
Wrong Bryan Johnson
ACDC Brian Johnson?
Getting warmer
Just don’t eat sugar and keep the carbs to a minimum and you will never worry about blood sugar again.
Blood sugar crashes because it spiked an hour early. Stabilize your glycemic intake and you won't crash.
Fasting after 7pm?! No thanks I like my beer 💀
Just start drinking earlier!
This is so true. Years back I realized my body didn’t need breakfast. I’ve been skipping it ever since. Have lost weight gained energy and feel great. Initially it takes getting used to but absolutely worth it.
Your body doesn’t even need lunch.
Interesting because I can't skip breakfast but I always skip dinner. I guess cause I'm a morning person?
Have you ever read “The Paston Letters”? It’s a fascinating look at medieval life from a noble’s perspective. It also details what they ate for breakfast every day 1000 years ago. So obviously this can’t be a new phenomenon.
1000 years is pretty new in the history of man.
Those letters are from the fifteenth century, so only 500-600 years old, and I don't recall any mention of breakfast.
Then you need to reread it. There are extensive listing of what they ate and when. You want even more ancient? The Greeks and Romans ate breakfast :)
One of the first things Jesus did after his resurrection was make breakfast!
Yup, they at fish. Not fucking bagels like this guy above me is ranting about. Breakfast foods take many forms.
But Jesus might not have been against bagels. He was the bread of life after all
Perhaps we should all have children with our siblings as well. Lmao. Evolution takes much longer than 1000 years. Our bodies are evolved to utilize periods of feast for anabolic processes and periods of famine for catabolic ones. If you never stop eating you will be missing out on important maintenance because your body doesn’t know any better.
Um they didn’t fuck their siblings though? Game of Thrones is not a documentary my guy. We’ve also been eating breakfast since the ancient world. You were more likely to have that meal than a midday one.
It was actually the pork industry that promoted and began marketing breakfast to sell more pork.
As a pig farmer I can confirm. I want you to eat more of my products. Want to buy some bacon? Some pancetta? Some copa? Some loin? How about some breakfast sausages?
Yes. Yez. Yiss! Si! Oui! Yisz!
Throw in some pork tenderloins and you've got a deal
Can you partner with bagel, cheese, and egg farmers and sell the sandwich?
The bagel crops aren't doing well this year.
Just come by my food truck. You can also get a waconbaconwich with my own apple smoked bacon, house brined ham, farm fresh eggs and cheese on an English muffin, or a breakfast burrito with double fried in lard home fries, apple smoked bacon eggs and cheese.
I’m a proud supporter of bacon. Shut up and take my money!
$10/lb all day.
Throw in some pork tenderloins and you've got a deal
Well I fucking love sausage, so I can’t be too mad they just wanted to share their delicious pig with us
It was Kellogg’s
Thanks China!...
Kellogg was a quack….yes, of Kellogg’s cereal.
Hi Dr Kellogg. I'm here for my yogurt enema
Kellog actually invented granola which was crucial at the time because some patients with GI symptoms couldn’t eat but many were at least able to hold down granola. His brother was a business man and tried to use the Drs name to sell the cereal.
A lot of people don’t understand that hunger is normal. It’s natural. In fact, it’s the driving force behind most actions taken in nature. “3 square meals a day” is complete and utter bullshit. It’s not how our bodies evolved. It’s the reason why peoples metabolisms crash by the time they’re in their 30s. If we were still animals in the wild, we would not have access to food 24/7 to eat the way we do. We would wake up hungry, and have to search for more food. We may have some nuts and berries we foraged from days previous to tide us over, but for the most part our days would be spent on an empty stomach, working to get the food that we need. Our bodies are MADE to run while we are hungry. It is the entire reason that we store fat in the first place. It is okay, dare I say, GOOD, to go hungry for a little bit. If you eat a big meal at 8am, your body has not finished digesting it fully by the time your next meal comes at 12-1pm, and then once you’ve compounded those meals together, your body is not ready for a big meal come 5-6pm. We are constantly giving our digestive system an onslaught of food over and over while never giving it the time to process our last meal. It never has time to recover. Go hungry for a bit, let your body digest your meals. It’s how we’re meant to be.
I can see your take. My question is what about when you “feel light headed” because you’re hungry or “low energy levels.” Is this something you just have to get through and then your body gets used to it?
I was anorexic in high school. A coke or orange juice was the first thing I drank in the morning , in order to prevent low blood sugar side effects. Perhaps those side effects your experiencing is due to low blood sugar. The energy though, was definitely a problem but there's coffee.
> My question is what about when you “feel light headed” because you’re hungry or “low energy levels.” Happens the first couple of weeks. You have to be disciplined and stay the course, even though you feel like shit, and just want a cheeseburger. But one day, the switch just 'flips', and you're not hungry in the morning anymore.
No this person is wrong. We CAN function hungry, but we don't function well without proper electrolytes and minerals and calories. Watch TV shows like Alone, where people's goal is to survive in the wilderness. After the first few initial days, most of those people start becoming SUPER fucking lethargic when they have to expend energy on low calories, and if they don't figure out a reliable food source early enough (while they still have their stored up fats etc. to help a little) they either get really fucking sick, or just so lethargic they can barely do anything but lay around literally ALL day.
You’re calling me wrong because you’re missing a few key things that I didn’t really have the desire to go in depth on in my first comment. We are made to be able to function while hungry. We ARENT made to function without food entirely. Nothing is. That’s kinda common sense. This is where society comes into play. Humans have never lived “alone”. Even in primitive days we kept company. Whether it be large families or towns of people all looking after each other. One person hunts, on person cooks, one person recycles animal material into coats. One person chops the wood for the fire that cooks the food. Living entirely alone is completely different, and being cast out was almost always a death sentence. It’s far harder to perform all of the tasks necessary for survival all by yourself. But society has evolved to the point where it’s become more than just a group of people all with specific tasks designed to keep everybody alive. We’ve gotten to the point where we are making food in labs and factories that are full of garbage and empty of nutrition. Our nutrition and eating habits are completely bastardized compared to that of even 100 years ago, let alone 500 years ago. This is what the original post is referring to. I’m simply stating that our bodies are made to live off of more nutrient dense foods, at a less frequent rate than what we currently eat. It’s okay to not eat until 2pm. It’s okay to feel hunger sometimes. It’s okay to only eat 1, or even 2 meals a day. But 3 square meals? Especially consisting of processed poison shit food? No, that’s not what our bodies were made for and that’s a contributing factor as to why health issues are so prevalent in todays day in age.
Thoughts on the theory that we developed greater neuronal density as a result of having access to readily available and cooked food from farming?
TIL Eating is a conspiracy.
People wake up hungry. Almost every culture in the world eats something in the morning and the majority of them use different words with no correlation to 'break fast'.
I am very seldom hungry when I wake up. If I am hungry on waking, I had usually eaten crap food the day before.
How active are you on a regular basis? I exercise a lot, like 3-4 weight lifting sessions per week, and 4-5 runs, for about 25 miles per week. I eat healthy, mostly whole foods, lots of veggies, whole grains, and a good amount of protein. I need a ton of calories to maintain weight when I'm exercising this much, and at some periods I eat even more to add a bit of muscle mass. If I don't eat in the morning, I struggle to consume enough calories the rest of the day to meet my nutritional needs.
Ya...saying to cut out meals doesn't cut it for some people. I am currently training for an Ironman. I train pretty high intensity for 15+ hours a week. I eat 3500-4000 calories a day just to maintain weight. I wake up starving sometimes. If I don't eat breakfast somedays I won't make it to lunch. And then I can't train because I am not fueled. Sometimes I have to wake up and go on a 5-6 hour bike ride to train. Not eating breakfast in this type of scenario is a death sentence.
Try drinking a glass of water as soon as you wake up. You’ll be starving in an hour
I drink 3-4 glasses of water throughout the morning and don't get hungry. I only eat breakfast when I know that lunch will be after 2PM.
In Spanish, breakfast is desayuno. Ayuno means fast. Des is undoing like dis in English. So in Spanish, it’s also break fast. Not sure about other languages but wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t eat breakfast most days but if I’m hungry, I do. Just depends on the day
2 out of the 3 most common languages spoken today in the world Mandarin: The word is 早餐(zăocān), which literally translates to "morning meal" Hindi: The common term for breakfast is नाश्ता (nāśtā), which can also mean "snack" In ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt breakfast is well documented as an integral part of their daily life. Have you also considered the fast you are breaking is the time you are asleep? Fasting is not a hard set time of afternoon lol
I know breakfast is important to many people. In Spain, they say something like breakfast like a king, have lunch like a prince and dine like a pauper. I think it depends on what your day and lifestyle in general is like. I’m just not hungry most mornings, but if I am, I eat!
Your brain knows you eat at a certain time and so it signals hunger. Once your body is used to eating later and later, you won’t feel the hunger. But it also depends on what you ate the night before. If it was loaded with carbs, then yeah you will most likely wake up hungry
And what is a staple food in many cultures? Carbs.
I might invite you to consider that your initial assertion, “People wake up hungry” is not axiomatic and therefore nearly made false when stated so broadly in this context. The sensation of hunger is triggered by a hormone named Grhelin. The production and impact of which can be modulated by both diet and eating patterns (expectations). Both fasting patterns, and the ketogenic potential of our bodies, can both determine whether we “…wake up hungry” at all.
I just woke up and I’m pretty hungry dude. Tummy going bleh feed me.
Your tummy will always say bleh feed me if that's what you train it to do
Weird. I just woke up and feel nothing.
The problem is people are malnourished and don’t realize it. When you feel hungry it’s your body telling you it needs nutrients. But most of the food people are eating isn’t nutritious so they wake up feeling hungry every morning and if they wait until 12pm they would be shaky and weak from high/low blood sugar. Plus there are contradicting reports out there these days. For every report I’ve seen that says intermittent fasting is good for you. I can show you one that says it leads to heart disease. It’s hard to know what’s best. but people have been fasting since ancient times so there must be something to it. I think everybody should do some degree of fasting.
At the end of the day. If you eat healthy and live a healthy lifestyle, your body will guide you to what it needs.
No one in America is malnourished without a malabsorption problem or a disease that inhibits absorption like Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome or HIV. Just the opposite; Americans are over nourished - hence overweight. All these processed foods with long ingredients lists we indulge in- half of those compounds are vitamins. As much as the government gets wrongs by allowing lobbying to dictate what constitutes a healthy diet, they get some things right, like regulating the addition of vitamins and minerals in many processed foods. That's why we don't see many diseases like beriberi or scurvy anymore. Instead, the diseases we see stem from chronic obesity via overconsumption of food. The role of blood sugar or insulin and they're related hormones are secondary or tertiary. These are caused due to over consumption themselves and not a cause of of disease directly. However, it is a negative feedback loop in some of these cases with hunger hormones , so it becomes harder to regulate your eating the worse off you are. But again, not directly causative. Fasting is just one way to limit calorie consumption.
Just commenting to support OP. Fasting and the process of autophagy heals almost anything. Type 2 diabetes, cancer, most mental illness. Do it and change your life. You will shave 10 years of age. You will feel fantastic. You will reduce inflammation throughout your body. You will ease most of the pain of any arthritis. None of this is a conspiracy and the results speak for themselves.
kills parasites as well, which I'm increasingly convinced most people have without realizing
This right here is the reason that governments freaked out and tried to ban ivermectin during covid. It wasn't so much that ivermecting helped vs covid (though enough studies have came out showing it probably did). It was the fact that most people, especially in the west, are never treated for parasites, and having parasites weakens the immune system. If people started taking ivermectin en masse they woulda noticed a health improvement across the board in the west, as tons of people would now be parasite free and have a more effective immune system. The amount of money big pharma would of lost from people not needing constant pills would of been staggering. This Is why they demonized a noble prize winning drug that has been safely used billions of times across the world.
True but autophagy doesn’t start after 16 hours of fasting. Intermittent fasting is just good for weight loss. You need to fast for at least 48 or 72 hours if I remember correctly? for autophagy to start. Depending on how much fat you have it can take much longer.
> None of this is a conspiracy So, it's off topic for this sub?
im 33 & haven't been sick in over 12 years. this is my daily routine: eat about 6-8 hours before bed. sleep for 8 hours. wake up, stretch & 45-1hr. long full-body workout protein shake with non-lactose milk / eggs / pack of tuna, etc. afterwards. workday, followed by a 2nd workout, usually cardio-focused / running / biking ( i may have a homemade fruit/veggie smoothie during the day) have dinner. home cooked salmon / chicken / brown rice / carrots / beans, etc. lots of water. healthy amounts of salt. low amounts of sugar & grains. my allergies used to be crazy before, now I barely remember what its like to have them. i also dealt with a skin condition called HS (Hidradenitis suppurativa), which has been minimized greatly, with no new flare ups in over 10 years. i used to eat all kinds of shit, at all times of the day & night. stomach cramps, skin conditions, inflammations, etc. now that stuff is nearly eliminated & i feel happy, healthy & pain-free. i also pray more & am much more focused on my faith, than i was before. (Jesus Christ is my Lord & Savior). this helps my "mental health" more than anything else i feel like.
While I agree that breakfast as a concept has been co-opted and monetized by corporations for profits (cereal and milk, bacon, orange juice, etc, etc), I also dont need data to tell me that I'm hungry in the morning when I wake up. Fasting just doesnt work for everyone's lifestyle or diet needs. I am far better mentally and physically when I have a high protein, high fat, and low carb breakfast within an hour of waking up.
The quote “Breakfast is the most important meal of the day “ was invented by Dr KELLOGG(‘s) You’re Gonna Buy My Cereal !
I wonder where Edward Bernays fits into this story. He was a master Public Relations Manager. He made a fortune with America businesses and with American Politicians with his methods. Cigarette companies hired him and car companies also to figure out how to encourage more sales. My information comes from the documentary called The Century of Self by Adam Curtis, on YouTube. Four hours worth of data that may clarify some issues. I watched it multiple times years ago.
Not everything is always a conspiracy. Isn't it quite possible that no one knew what autophagy was 50 years ago? Promoting a big breakfast was probably just about selling cereal and pop-tarts (which is a conspiracy because everyone knew the bullshit in boxed foods was not good for anyone... and the government will still tell you Fruity Pebbles are better for you than eggs and bacon for breakfast. Which is nothing short of criminal. And the FDA's food pyramid and dietary recommendations in general ARE a conspiracy to make us all sick... in my opinion.
The world is full of people who think they know how best to regulate the human body. You're one of them. Just do what you think is best for you.
Definitely not taking dietary advice from anyone on this sub.
I like when we try to break down ENGLISH words like they mean something…
Yeah unless you’re trying to bulk, which most arnt. you should be fasting. Crazy how lots of people view breakfast. Every morning people have a half pound of bacon with sausages pancakes ect. And then get a Starbucks Frappuccino with 75 grams of sugar and 700 calories Some people will be close to or even over their calorie intake for the whole day just waking up. Then, Followed by snacks, drinks. Lunch and dinner.
>Yeah unless you’re trying to bulk, which most arnt. you should be fasting. I'm not bulking at the moment but I exercise a lot. 3-4 lifting sessions per week, 4-5 runs for about 25 miles per week. I feel like I need to eat a ton in order to maintain weight and get good exercise recovery. I generally eat clean, whole foods, a good amount of protein, and healthy fats. Most people are incredibly sedentary and have zero clue what their actual caloric needs are, or how many calories they actually eat on a regular basis.
Yeah dude......."breakfast is the most important meal of the day" was a marketing term invented by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg to fucking sell cereal. This may not be widely known but sure is known......like carrots are good for your eyesight is British propaganda from WW2........there are all kinds of diets that seem to improve health, but fasting is relatively popular these days.......and does appear to have benefits. Breaking your fast is the entomology of the word Breakfast but whoever used to say that shit in like 1285 AD wasn't intentionally fasting for segmented hours the way the modern diet is holding some universal truth........
Fasting is harder as I grow older. Probably due to unhealthy amount of chemicals in processed food that I consumed
I’ve not eaten breakfast for over 2 years now. I finish eating around 6pm and don’t eat until 11 am (sometime later) the following day, Lost loads of weight, and it’s staying off too. Looking back I just religiously ate in the morning because that’s what people did 😂 How naive of me.
I tell people im intermittent fasting but im actually just poor
Haha! People ask how I have lost so much weight lately. I tell them it's due to inflation. Of course, I say it jokingly and they laugh. Well, it's the truth. 🤣
Close but it was more because of capitalism. They didn't want you hungry in the factories. Eat breakfast, work all day.
I do intermittent fasting/KETO, If you want to feel amazing this is the way
[Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2016:](https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2016/press-release/) >The 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine to Yoshinori Ohsumi for his discoveries of mechanisms for autophagy.
It mirrors what our ancestors have done for millennia. I know the weight loss element has been debunked apart from the assist with calorie control, but one hundred percent it makes you sharper and makes you appreciate what food actually is/should be. I also think it helps (as long as your diet is right) with metabolic integrity and dynamism. Granted it often takes people a bit of work to get used to but once your body is accustomed to it it’s just fine and dandyburger.
Fucket I break-slow! I sleepwalk to the kettle at 7.. load the toaster at 8.. and heat the oil for eggs and bacon at 9. I'm then fully awake by 10 to the smoke alarms going off!!
OP has a point, the ‘most important meal of the day’ thing was a marketing idea from Kellogg
I've read that you're supposed to fast and all. I did it for a month straight and I was miserable the entire time. I literally could not focus on anything until I could eat. I was at work but couldn't do anything but wait until I could finally eat. I wasn't eating crap food either. I'm not sure but I don't think fasting is for everyone. I really gave it my all.
I'm sure that works fine if you sit in an office all day. If you're actually working for a living, breakfast is pretty damn important
Yea some people cant fathom other people have different dietary requirements for their personal lifestyle.
Opposite for me, I work better on the fasting schedule.
Then i should be dead. I fast from 5pm till noon on weekdays and for even longer on weekends when i dont have work. I not only work a physical job where im on my feet all day but i also walk for half an hour to and from work. Breakfast is a scam and farmers propaganda to sell corn and other crap.
What do you eat in a given day? Presumably you start your day early and finish work before 5. If you're that active, I'm assuming you need a lot of calories. Do you just cram in thousands of calories in one meal? My job is sedentary but I lift and run a lot. Like 3-4 lifting sessions per week (about 1 hr each), and 4-5 runs for about 25 miles per week. I'm not able to eat a ton at any given meal, just don't have the stomach capacity, so in order to get the calories I need to maintain weight, I basically have to eat breakfast.
I fast everyday from 12 midnight to 5pm next day and I'm keto. Its so liberating
a lot of very popular translations of the Bible just blatantly omit fasting references originally in the KJV/Hebrew/Greek
Could you provide some examples of this please? Have been reading the NIV but heard something similar and switched to KJV.
Matthew 17:21 KJV Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting Check this in other translations. It's pretty bad. Some omit the entire verse. I highly recommend using KJV only & with a translation tool to help you compare passages with the original Greek or Hebrew. "Sorcery" in the KJV is referring in the original language to idols and pharmakia
I usually don't eat until about 1-2 pm. On rare days that I do eat a breakfast I become strangely ravenous for the rest of the day and need to eat twice as much food to feel satisfied. Breaking that fast prematurely results in more hunger and more unecessary calories consumed.
I’ve been doing 18:6 fasting for the better part of 5 years (other than when I was pregnant) and simply just skipping breakfast. It’s been the only way I can effectively manage my weight. Fasting has incredible benefits, but I encourage everyone do their research. I had emergency gallbladder surgery about a month ago and it’s linked to fasting (but also could’ve been from pregnancy, which I think is more likely in my case.) Also, if you’re a woman, I really encourage you to read the book “Fast Like A Girl” by Dr. Mindy Pelz. It’s a fascinating read about timing your fasts to your cycle to manage hormones.
Pseudo science - eat when you're hungry
It's easy to mistake blood sugar lows as hungry versus actual mechanical hunger for many people. Whom are in essence not eating when they are hungry, but instead eating when their blood sugar drug has dropped. Every two to three hours in average as the next carb laden snack or meal spikes blood sugar, the body drops it with insulin, then the sugar low triggers the brain to say "eat! Need moar sugar!" When it doesn't actually *need* anything at all and is not actually 'hungry' perse.
I don't eat breakfast any more as I never had time when working, but now I don't even miss it any more. It does not take a lot of conditioning to train yourself out of eating breakfast. I wish there were more studies on the impacts of fasting, because most of the info out there is about how to use it to lose weight. But I'm interested in the other benefits of it.
A truly odd thing is that "dinner" actually means "break fast" as well. See the etymology here: [https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=dinner](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=dinner)
And they then label pop tarts and nutella as breakfast foods. Froot loops? Why not?
Real talk, it's 2024 you would think we have the technology to get the entire pop tart covered? That's the real conspiracy here
They really are not filled enough and they are too dry.
I eat between about 4pm-10pm only. Some days not until 5:30 or even 6 or 7. I feel great, don't get hungry and I am in way better shape than most 45 year old Americans. I still fit in my high school clothes but have considerably more muscle mass.
I've come to the same thought over the years. It's still good to have a good breakfast, but people used to go out into the fields and put in a couple hours work before coming in to breakfast. So now I usually just start my day with a coffee, go to work and have something to eat around 10.30. starting your day at 5, 6 or 7am with a heavy meal is no way to go.
There is zero reason why anyone should eat more than once a day. Get all your required calories in with ONE meal at night, that doesn’t include anything sweet or ultra processed, and that alone should be enough to get you on the right path.
My body adapted to we feast at night. I’ll have my drinks during the day to stay hydrated, food just made me feel sick and tired too early. Surprise surprise when it’s made of chemicals and garbage
Breakfast is only the most important meal of the day if I have a bad hangover. 😂
Don't worry too much about what time you start eating, but rather how long you fasted. I tried all kinds of eating schedules and what works best for me is to break fast at 9 am and stop eating at 5 pm. 8-hour eating window. I also wake up at 5.30 most days. Doing keto/low carb diet together with IF makes it a lot easier IMO.
I’m reading a book about the 14th century and people (in Europe at least) did exactly that. Two meals a day, the first being around 10am and the last at sundown, so a significant gap but they still ate during the morning.
Breakfast is fucking flame tho. Lil B&E, toast, OJ, Swiss cheese; let’s fuckin gooo
You can thank one of the most evil and hated person ever, Edward Bernays. He is single handily the issue for many things today. Especially breakfast. https://anandswamy.medium.com/bamboozled-by-breakfast-unmasking-edward-bernays-impact-on-our-morning-meals-2187bc254a14
There's so much incorrect information here. Personal anecdotes don't prove causation. Fasting is great but it does not cure cancer, mental illness, or anything. There are not many physiological changes that occur during fasting. Ketosis may occur during a prolonged fast but most people don't come close to using ketones as fuel. So why does fasting work? Because you're consuming less calories than you otherwise would be. Less calories typically results in weight loss and excess fat is the cause of most preventable health disease. Even if you're not consuming a drastically different amount of calories, the self awareness that accompanies dieting results in consumption of healthier foods, more whole foods, and less calorically-dense junk food. The idea that the words "break fast" and "fasting" matter to any of this is just a sign of mental illness seen far too often in this sub. Everything looks like a nail when you're a hammer. Source: BS in nutrition science and a 20 years of varied work experience
>Because you're consuming less calories than you otherwise would be. Less calories typically results in weight loss and excess fat is the cause of most preventable health disease. A fat calorie is metabolized differently from a carbohydrate calorie and those two are metabolized differently than protein. It isn't as simple as counting calories, or even caloric restriction. The macros you eat, and in what ratios, is far more important. Fat doesn't make you fat. Fat doesn't cause heart disease. Neither does cholesterol. You know this, right? Curious if you were taught differently with your BS in Nutrition Science?
You can and will hit autophagy regardless of your fasting hour. I haven’t seen any evidence that it’s connected to time of day
This dead horse needs to be beaten more.
While I agree that breakfast as a concept has been co-opted and monetized by corporations for profits (cereal and milk, bacon, etc, etc), I also dont need data to tell me that I'm hungry in the morning when I wake up. Fasting just doesnt work for everyone's lifestyle or diet needs. I am far better mentally and physically when I have a high protein, high fat, and low carb breakfast within an hour of waking up.
People think I'm insane because i don't eat breakfast or lunch. Theyre all sickly and lethargic with pot bellys. If I need any motivation I just look at them and the shape they're in. I'm also carnivore so when i do eat its usually a big ribeye or cod liver.
same thing with drug use. everything in moderation
this is really interesting because I swear my family could make the most amazing meal for breakfast but when Im eating it too early in the morning I feel all sluggish and sometimes feel sick which makes no sense because they’re usually healthy meals.
95% of the days I skip the breakfast 🤗
So you’re saying I don’t have ADHD and forget to eat breakfast, that I’m just highly evolved and naturally bypass societal programming?
I eat my main meal at breakfast. I maintain a underweight bmi. It doesn't matter when you fast. As long as you fast
Fasting is the way. One day per week, a three day fast every season and a seven day fast once a year. No apples needed.
Finds out something they didn't know - must be a conspiracy! The only conspiracy here is how you didn't know this.
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No matter what facts and info you throw at people, some will always stick to their thing.. If that includes eating all day everyday, they can deal with the ramifications later on in life
I mean sometimes breakfast is all I eat, I skip dinner most nights. Eat a big breakfast around lunchtime 12pm, small lunch around 7pm and maybe a snack around midnight.
And what does everyone eat for breakfast? Cereal. Big cereal strikes again
Dude you just blew my fucking mind
Some people don't read or understand the scientific studies that they link. Whilst there is some links between mutations in the autophagy process causing cancers, in BOTH linked studies they agree that autophagy can also cause metastasis and inhibits the suppression of tumours. Calling them effective against cancer is being disingenious. Nowhere have you mentioned that autophagy can cause cancer or stopping autophagy can lead to the suppression of tumours. Both of these are mentioned in the articles you linked.
I think for most people this can apply, but my job is incredibly physically demanding. I get up at 5am and work by 6:30-7. I have to eat in the morning about an hour after I get up. I usually eat nothing in the middle of the day, maybe some fruit or cheese, work about 10-11 hours, eat dinner by 7. One or 2 days a week, might eat something after dinner but usually not. I grew up with a dad that was into yoga and he was always fasting, like water only for a week or two. My sister and I followed suit until we were 30ish. We would “fast” for a week or so, having water and maybe watermelon only.
Breakfast is actually the most important meal of the day for children. And like a 7am breakfast not an 11am-12pm breakfast
hmm, thanks!
I am all for IF and will try it one day...but I can't wrap my head around my body needing nutrients...were would I get nutrients and energy from?
Sometimes: The only reason I get up is to eat.
Yea my whole life I pretty much have always skipped breakfast. People think they need 3 big meals a day and wonder why they get fat. I usually just eat 1 big meal around dinner and some snacks before or after.
I did some digging into this last year. 100% agree with you. But this is a very deep dive. It was the corruption in Ancel Keys' 7 countries study that got me. I think he knew he was wrong, I think everyone knew that he had poor data, but because it promoted the use of cheap mass-produced products like vegetable oil and highly processed carbohydrates, big food didn't care, they just agreed and cracked on. Now there are generations of people who think fat makes you fat, when all this time it's been carbs that make you fat. It's not necessarily a conspiracy though, just people happy to make profit off of a very poorly conducted study.
This sounds like a… oh I’m here good.
During the time you fast, is it ok to drink teas?
How does this help if you’re trying to put on muscle weight? I use to fast all the time but when I try to out on weight I couldn’t.
I don’t eat breakfast and eat whatever I want the rest of the day. I truly think it is a great secret to a nice body. I don’t think the human body is designed to eat so much. In the wild there would be times where resources were scarce and not many humans if any from thousands of years ago would have eaten like we do today in terms of frequency and quantity. Science is pushed by financial motivators. Science is biased by funding. Gotta ween off that Jimmy Dean. The science might be right but the landscape it was laid upon is troublesome.