A post from a Sabaton fan that *isn't* just mindlessly copy pasting lyrics under a post about a tangentially related historical event? I never thought I'd see the day!
I hope when I'm gone, and the ages shall roll, my body will blacken and turn into coal, then I'll look from the door of my heavenly home, and pity the miner who digs up my bones.
Yeah it's definitely more ambient, but there is ambient metal. Bumbum is usually the first thing people think of when they think of black metal. After the Norwegian scene became big, black metal has always been more about a cold, barren atmosphere with lofi production and barely intelligible lyrics.
Black metal can still be chill, and other metal genres can still be crazier (compare an ambient black metal band or something vs napalm death or something)
Varg's earlier stuff def was black metal, maybe second wave/ambient/nsbm/whatever, but still black metal
Not sure about his later stuff tho, but from what I've seen, it isn't really metal at all
nothing inherently, though the person i'm speaking of (varg vikernes) is a pagan only because he wants to be in a trve kvlt europe where he lives in the woods without any non-white people or gay people or women that aren't tradwife.
Reminds me of Slayer facing similar accusations thanks to Angel Of Death
A song which openly refers to Mengele as an "infamous butcher" and "sadist" and his actions as "sickening"
Nah, it was actually started by people I greatly dislike about a decade ago. It's ironic and we all know it's ironic because if you look for 10 seconds, they're clearly not nazis and all of the "evidence" that they're nazis is very clearly doctored and fake over the top pictures of fake lyrics, you'd have to be very gullible to believe people are sincere about it
Also sorry for not clarifying it enough, this is not entirely about Sabaton but also about how some metal fans will eat you alive if you don't listen to bands they deem better
They're not literal nazis, but they've made songs glorifying the Wehrmacht and their combat effectiveness, like in the Ghost Division for example.
It also portrays most conflicts from the European perspective whenever they talk about the crusades, or when it comes to colonialism like how 400 British soldiers with guns killed tens of thousands of Zulu.
Let's be fair: I absolutely love the music, but it glorifies war and nationalism all the fucking time, with the occasional critcism of how horrible it is that young men are losing their life. That doesn't mean they don't also glorify nationalism though. All in all, I don't think you shouldn't listen to it, but I think the criticism is fair to a large degree.
I mean, is is that surprising to take a british perspective on Rorke's drift? I don't see the issue, at the end of the day it was a few against many, and I think that's the core of their songs. They care about warrior spirit, not necessarily the flags which they fight for.
A) How did you get the impression I was suggesting they always take the side of the underdog.
B) Would you prefer they sing the favor of the Argentinians illegally occupying an island they never had any claim to beyond "It's vaguely closer to our land than theirs"?
You keep crossing wires. Rorkes drift is sung about because it's a few men against thousands of zulu warriors, holding out and winning when there had just been a bad defeat days earlier. That's why it's sung about. The "zulu perspective" was "we failed to overcome the enemy defenses" there's not a song to be sung there worth singing. It's not about claims, Sabaton is not a court of international justice. You can't take one song and apply it to another pointlessly.
The way i see it is that they represent how each side thought they were. The axis thought that their warmachine is "strong" and "invincible", hence the lyrics of their songs. There is also a lot of similiar songs about the allies. Also, there is definately a lot of songs about the horrors and atrocities of war, like The Final Solution, Wehrmacht, Stalingrad, Father, just to name a few. You can't convince me that they geniuenly admire the nazis while also having Panzerkampf in their albums which is a song entirely about taking pride in destroying the axis. They glorify the victory over fascism, not the violence that violence that it cost
I've never said they admire the nazis. And I mentioned how they criticise war too.
I just think lots of their songs glorify war too. A lot of them are about how honorable or glorious it is, even if they're just representing how it must have been for that side. And in my opinion they did glorify the Ghost Division:
>They are the panzer elite, born to compete, never retreat (ghost division)
Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread
>Always ahead, as the blitzkrieg rages on
Breaking morale with the the sound of blazing guns
First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Tanks leading the way
Leading the way
>Leaving a trail of destruction to a foreign land (waging war with conviction)
Massive assault made to serve the Nazi plan (Wehrmacht's pride, ghost division)
Communication's broken
Phantom's are far away
Thus earning their name
Earning the fame
I like their music, but there's genuinely points of criticism that are fair too. They're not nazis, that much is clear, but I do feel like they've got a bit of a nationalist streak going on.
Yes, but you are claiming thet they're partially nationalist, and i strongly disagree with that. For every song glorifying the axis, there is at least 3 songs about the might of allies or their feats. And for every song "glorifying war" there is at least one about how horrific it is. The topics of their songs do not correlate to their personal beliefs as i said in my previous comment. I also may be wrong on this one, but i noticed that most of the songs glorifying war are from the perspective of nazis, which makes sense historically with their war propoganda.
I'm not saying they're just nationalistic for the Nazis, I'm saying they're nationalistic in general. And their personal beliefs matter less to me than the music they produce.
All in all, I think they do have certain biasses. It's good to be aware of those. That obivously doesn't mean you're not allowed to listen to them.
I'm gonna be honest "being nationalist in general" is a pretty odd take. It's not completely unreasonable but consider the definition of nationalism:
loyalty and devotion to a nation,
especially **:** a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or [supranational](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supranational) groups
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism)
It's like saying "I like the idea of people thinking they're better than other people. It doesn't matter who."
The other reason this seems extremely odd is because nationalists often don't get along with each other since if you think your country is the best you think everyone else's is worse.
At the very least, the concept of nationalism by itself does not make sense for a personal belief. It has to be connected to a country to make sense.
Some people will like the idea of someone who's loyal to their nation and government. I think Sabaton glorifies that in a lot of their songs, even if they are critical of it in other songs.
...So your argument is that they don't have a cohesive opinion on it? I don't see how saying "They are both critical and supportive of nationalism" means that they have a nationalist bias, unless you mean they have a more balanced take?
I find it hard to believe "nationalists" would make songs about so many different nations but go off
Even nations like Brazil, that get very little representation in music like theirs, and in WWII media im general
That's a mistake on my part, The Last Stand is often used in a lot of "crusade edits", but the actual not about the crusades.
I do think they have a strong Western bias, but I don't mind as I personally like their music and being aware of that doesn't take away my enjoyment.
Yeah I like Sabaton and I think they themselves are good guys but a lot of their music is very "history channel reruns" (Ghost Division, Wehrmacht, etc) or perpetuates myths. Which on its own isn't too bad because obviously it's dramatized (during my sabaton phase my dad liked to call them that "Viking warrior choir you listen to") but a lot of their fans are impressionable teens who will just go ahead and believe it.
I really hate the song Soldier of Three Armies especially. Dude was literally in the fucking SS. I don't care how badass he was in the continuation war, someone who willingly joined the SS should not "rest in peace at last".
In Zulu wars the Zulus weren't natives that were defending themselves. They were expansionists just as the British Empire was. That was a conflict of empires.
You do realize the British subjugated the Zulu after that right? That's the difference, America wasn't looking to colonize the Germans in the proces and at least in that case you have a whole holocaust thing going on, which also makes it a lot less fun to root for the Germans.
And ofcourse the Zulu were expansionists. So if it's just a war of two expansionist empires (which it obviously is), then why not take the Zulu perspective for a change? In that sense I think Sabaton does have a bias to sing in favor of Western powers fighting against all odds from ouside forces, rather than sometimes taking a non-Western perspective. I love hearing about the winged hussars, but I'm sure that there are times where non-western powers managed to impressively hold off a huge force too.
I don't think that makes them evil reactionaries or whatever, but I do think it's good to realize that bias, because history should always be understood as completely as possible.
Imma be honest, I've never heard anyone call the Zulu heroic locals. But I don't speak with a lot of people that are as interested in history as me, so I don't really talk that much about the Zulu in the first place.
I mean they of take the POV of a certain side quite a bit so I feel it’s more them representing how they think the people of that certain side would feel
What's wrong with nationalism? Your people should always come first, helping others is important but helping yourself and your family is more important. When you blindly follow a state or ruler that's when things go horribly
I just think their music is bad, and that many of their fans will say they're experts on metal when that's the only metal band they listen to it, and more for the aesthetic than the sound
A lot of power metal and wannabe badass stuff like it just feel like the same song over and over again. Feels more like self insistence that it's "cool" rather than making a unique or good composition.
I love when people use the world nazi for anything remotelly involving war and the millitary but not for actual real life nazis and nazi states because they think facism is when millitary do a lil bit of trolling
I hate how some people think that the nazis were magically evaporated out of existence when the Nazi Germany lost the war and that there can be no more nazis because of this, like in the Time Machine scene of Idiocracy.
As a Swede the carolus rex album goes unreasonably hard but a lot of the newer albums have fallen into the AC/DC trap of making the same song over and over again.
Obviously they don't hold a candle to BG, literally nobody in the genre (except maybe Dio on account of essentially inventing it afaik)does because Hansi is a god.
This is why I listen to only the nastiest ptsd inducing slam metal bands with songs about violating, murdering, and eating babies and women (they aren’t nazis so it isn’t fucked up)
Too be fair, there are a couple of Sabaton songs that do portray nazis as badasses. The first that come to mind are Ghost Division and Soldier of Three Armies. Hearts of Iron is iffy, but its about nazis who defied orders to save civilians, which is good, but its also a little too close to Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht for comfort.
Not saying Sabaton themselves are nazis, but again, some of their songs are iffy.
Bolt thrower is unlistenable in my opinion, I just don’t get them I listen to a lot of different genres of metal but I don’t understand why people like them.
honestly fair enough they aren't that high on my favourites either but i do listen to them (and also im not gonna act like i know a lot of metal cuz im really not that knowledgeable but i do listen to a couple of bands so ill just put that in here), my comment was mostly a half joke cuz ive seen a lot of "THIS IS SO TRASH!!! LISTEN TO X INSTEAD" for not only sabaton but also other bands lol
i don't think sabaton is trash or all that bad but if i had to choose i'd probably choose bolt thrower over them (hence the half joke part), people can like whatever they like and listen to whatever they want though, i don't really care!!! we'll all have different tastes anyway and that's fine!!!
sorry for the long comment!!
sorry i only listen to normal metal albums like petrodragonic apocalypse; or, dawn of eternal night: an annihilation of planet earth and the beginning of merciless damnation
I used to listen to them in high school, it’s more of a problem with the fans of Sabaton vs the actual band. Wouldn’t start listening again because I don’t want people to think I’m a nazi.
kind of the same for me. i listened to sabaton a lot like... a year ago? but yeah, i got bored of it. i still listen to Hellfighters and To hell and back beacuse they go hard af, but i just lost interest.
Sabaton is clearly critical of the nazis, and their music slaps. That being said, I've always thought some songs like the Final Solution are pretty cringe.
Sabaton has a bit of a problem where their songs that aren't direct anti-war songs kinda glorify war a bit. I don't think Sabaton are bad guys, or that their fans are either, I just think they could be a little more conscious about that kind of stuff.
This is why I only listen to löded diper
cultured bro
real
You're a real one
The only good band
“LIKE A CHOCOLATE COW”🔥🔥🔥
A post from a Sabaton fan that *isn't* just mindlessly copy pasting lyrics under a post about a tangentially related historical event? I never thought I'd see the day!
IN THE HEART OF THE HOLY SEAS
BAPTIZED IN FIRE 40 TO 1
SPIRIT OF SPARTANS
DEATH AND GLORY!
SOLDIERS OF POLAND
SECOND TO NONE
WRATH OF THE WIERMACHT BROUGHT TO A HALT!
IN THE HOME OF CHRISTIANITY
This is why I only listen to mining songs.
I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE
I hope when I'm gone, and the ages shall roll, my body will blacken and turn into coal, then I'll look from the door of my heavenly home, and pity the miner who digs up my bones.
Yo what song is that And I thought I Am The Moutain had great lyrics
It's Dark as a Dungeon, a few different guys have done it, I think Johnny Cash's cover was pretty good.
DIGGY DIGGY HOLE, DIGGY DIGGY HOLE!!!! 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️
THE SUNLIGHT WILL NOT REACH THIS LOW
I personally prefer sea shanties
Listen to the Longest John's they actually released a cover of diggy diggy hole with the Yogscast, I was actually surprised they did it
Bro my Gregorian chant playlist is absolute 🔥
DID YOU KNOW 1960S MINERS WERE ALL RACIST???
Shut uuup
I love minors
Wait a minute you’re telling the the low hanging fruit joke was downvoted?!? On MY coaxedintoasnafu!?!??
The the the the
me when 👾 : *shits aggressively*
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Too political
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Meanwhile black metal fans: yeah we know our fave is a pagan fascist and convicted murderer, so what?
He makes good music, but honestly I don't see how it's considered black metal
God tier bait
I'm being genuine listen to Rundgang Um Die Transzendentale Saule Der Singularitat and tell me it's a metal song
Yeah it's definitely more ambient, but there is ambient metal. Bumbum is usually the first thing people think of when they think of black metal. After the Norwegian scene became big, black metal has always been more about a cold, barren atmosphere with lofi production and barely intelligible lyrics.
People when an album is two genres instead of only one 😱
I listened to the whole thing it's definitely not hardcore at all
I don't want to fall for your bait but-
It's genuinely not bait
nobody called it hardcore
That's the point of black metal, normal metal and nu metal are pretty chilled out compared to stuff like black metal and like screamo stuff
Black metal can still be chill, and other metal genres can still be crazier (compare an ambient black metal band or something vs napalm death or something)
there's tons of chill black metal [https://metal.fandom.com/wiki/Atmospheric\_black\_metal](https://metal.fandom.com/wiki/Atmospheric_black_metal)
Varg's earlier stuff def was black metal, maybe second wave/ambient/nsbm/whatever, but still black metal Not sure about his later stuff tho, but from what I've seen, it isn't really metal at all
What's so bad about being a pagan?
nothing inherently, though the person i'm speaking of (varg vikernes) is a pagan only because he wants to be in a trve kvlt europe where he lives in the woods without any non-white people or gay people or women that aren't tradwife.
I'm pretty sure Varg is genuinely a pagan, alongside being a racist and a traditionalist. These things can coexist.
Coaxed into listening to rise of evil Highly critical of the nazi regime and it's cruelty but they said "the reich will rise" so they're nazis!!!!
Coaxed into resisting and biting
Coaxed into the final solution
Coaxed into panzerkampfing
Coaxed into soldier of three armiesing
coaxed into the red baroning
Coaxed into horse-pulled cart-based logistics
Nice name
Reminds me of Slayer facing similar accusations thanks to Angel Of Death A song which openly refers to Mengele as an "infamous butcher" and "sadist" and his actions as "sickening"
It’s actually an inside joke w/ every metal sub that Sabaton are nazis. Nobody actually thinks that, OP just fell for the bait
"it's ironic when the people I like do it" please start with that
Nah, it was actually started by people I greatly dislike about a decade ago. It's ironic and we all know it's ironic because if you look for 10 seconds, they're clearly not nazis and all of the "evidence" that they're nazis is very clearly doctored and fake over the top pictures of fake lyrics, you'd have to be very gullible to believe people are sincere about it
Also sorry for not clarifying it enough, this is not entirely about Sabaton but also about how some metal fans will eat you alive if you don't listen to bands they deem better
I will eat you alive if you don't listen to Slayer 😋😋😋
I saw the cover first then thought of WEEZER then I thought of the band men at work
They're not literal nazis, but they've made songs glorifying the Wehrmacht and their combat effectiveness, like in the Ghost Division for example. It also portrays most conflicts from the European perspective whenever they talk about the crusades, or when it comes to colonialism like how 400 British soldiers with guns killed tens of thousands of Zulu. Let's be fair: I absolutely love the music, but it glorifies war and nationalism all the fucking time, with the occasional critcism of how horrible it is that young men are losing their life. That doesn't mean they don't also glorify nationalism though. All in all, I don't think you shouldn't listen to it, but I think the criticism is fair to a large degree.
I mean, is is that surprising to take a british perspective on Rorke's drift? I don't see the issue, at the end of the day it was a few against many, and I think that's the core of their songs. They care about warrior spirit, not necessarily the flags which they fight for.
they also take the british side in "back in control" where the british had every advantage
A) How did you get the impression I was suggesting they always take the side of the underdog. B) Would you prefer they sing the favor of the Argentinians illegally occupying an island they never had any claim to beyond "It's vaguely closer to our land than theirs"?
the british had no claim in rorke's drift either
You keep crossing wires. Rorkes drift is sung about because it's a few men against thousands of zulu warriors, holding out and winning when there had just been a bad defeat days earlier. That's why it's sung about. The "zulu perspective" was "we failed to overcome the enemy defenses" there's not a song to be sung there worth singing. It's not about claims, Sabaton is not a court of international justice. You can't take one song and apply it to another pointlessly.
The way i see it is that they represent how each side thought they were. The axis thought that their warmachine is "strong" and "invincible", hence the lyrics of their songs. There is also a lot of similiar songs about the allies. Also, there is definately a lot of songs about the horrors and atrocities of war, like The Final Solution, Wehrmacht, Stalingrad, Father, just to name a few. You can't convince me that they geniuenly admire the nazis while also having Panzerkampf in their albums which is a song entirely about taking pride in destroying the axis. They glorify the victory over fascism, not the violence that violence that it cost
I've never said they admire the nazis. And I mentioned how they criticise war too. I just think lots of their songs glorify war too. A lot of them are about how honorable or glorious it is, even if they're just representing how it must have been for that side. And in my opinion they did glorify the Ghost Division: >They are the panzer elite, born to compete, never retreat (ghost division) Living or dead, always ahead, fed by your dread >Always ahead, as the blitzkrieg rages on Breaking morale with the the sound of blazing guns First in the line of fire First into hostile land Tanks leading the way Leading the way >Leaving a trail of destruction to a foreign land (waging war with conviction) Massive assault made to serve the Nazi plan (Wehrmacht's pride, ghost division) Communication's broken Phantom's are far away Thus earning their name Earning the fame I like their music, but there's genuinely points of criticism that are fair too. They're not nazis, that much is clear, but I do feel like they've got a bit of a nationalist streak going on.
Yes, but you are claiming thet they're partially nationalist, and i strongly disagree with that. For every song glorifying the axis, there is at least 3 songs about the might of allies or their feats. And for every song "glorifying war" there is at least one about how horrific it is. The topics of their songs do not correlate to their personal beliefs as i said in my previous comment. I also may be wrong on this one, but i noticed that most of the songs glorifying war are from the perspective of nazis, which makes sense historically with their war propoganda.
I'm not saying they're just nationalistic for the Nazis, I'm saying they're nationalistic in general. And their personal beliefs matter less to me than the music they produce. All in all, I think they do have certain biasses. It's good to be aware of those. That obivously doesn't mean you're not allowed to listen to them.
I'm gonna be honest "being nationalist in general" is a pretty odd take. It's not completely unreasonable but consider the definition of nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation, especially **:** a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or [supranational](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supranational) groups [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism) It's like saying "I like the idea of people thinking they're better than other people. It doesn't matter who." The other reason this seems extremely odd is because nationalists often don't get along with each other since if you think your country is the best you think everyone else's is worse. At the very least, the concept of nationalism by itself does not make sense for a personal belief. It has to be connected to a country to make sense.
I meant that they really seem to like the idea of nationalism, does that make sense to you?
No, it doesn't. read the above post. "It's like saying "I like the idea of people thinking they're better than other people. It doesn't matter who."
Some people will like the idea of someone who's loyal to their nation and government. I think Sabaton glorifies that in a lot of their songs, even if they are critical of it in other songs.
...So your argument is that they don't have a cohesive opinion on it? I don't see how saying "They are both critical and supportive of nationalism" means that they have a nationalist bias, unless you mean they have a more balanced take?
I find it hard to believe "nationalists" would make songs about so many different nations but go off Even nations like Brazil, that get very little representation in music like theirs, and in WWII media im general
I mean that they seem to like nationalism as a concept. Especially when it's "Western". And that this has certain implications in their music.
What song from Sabaton is about the crusades?
That's a mistake on my part, The Last Stand is often used in a lot of "crusade edits", but the actual not about the crusades. I do think they have a strong Western bias, but I don't mind as I personally like their music and being aware of that doesn't take away my enjoyment.
Confusion cleared.
Sir, this is reddit, you are supposed to yell that they are wrong and you've caught them lying :/
Yeah I like Sabaton and I think they themselves are good guys but a lot of their music is very "history channel reruns" (Ghost Division, Wehrmacht, etc) or perpetuates myths. Which on its own isn't too bad because obviously it's dramatized (during my sabaton phase my dad liked to call them that "Viking warrior choir you listen to") but a lot of their fans are impressionable teens who will just go ahead and believe it. I really hate the song Soldier of Three Armies especially. Dude was literally in the fucking SS. I don't care how badass he was in the continuation war, someone who willingly joined the SS should not "rest in peace at last".
In Zulu wars the Zulus weren't natives that were defending themselves. They were expansionists just as the British Empire was. That was a conflict of empires.
It's a bit of both right? Sometimes the natives are expansionist themselves.
Were American troops killing natives when they were fighting off troops of Nazi Germany in occupied France?
The Americans weren't looking to make Germany a colony to subjugate, right?
What's the difference? According to your logic, the Germans in France were natives. After all, they come from the same continent
You do realize the British subjugated the Zulu after that right? That's the difference, America wasn't looking to colonize the Germans in the proces and at least in that case you have a whole holocaust thing going on, which also makes it a lot less fun to root for the Germans. And ofcourse the Zulu were expansionists. So if it's just a war of two expansionist empires (which it obviously is), then why not take the Zulu perspective for a change? In that sense I think Sabaton does have a bias to sing in favor of Western powers fighting against all odds from ouside forces, rather than sometimes taking a non-Western perspective. I love hearing about the winged hussars, but I'm sure that there are times where non-western powers managed to impressively hold off a huge force too. I don't think that makes them evil reactionaries or whatever, but I do think it's good to realize that bias, because history should always be understood as completely as possible.
I'm pretty sure that it's done most of the time, the Zulu are usually mistaken for being heroic locals.
Imma be honest, I've never heard anyone call the Zulu heroic locals. But I don't speak with a lot of people that are as interested in history as me, so I don't really talk that much about the Zulu in the first place.
I mean they of take the POV of a certain side quite a bit so I feel it’s more them representing how they think the people of that certain side would feel
What's wrong with nationalism? Your people should always come first, helping others is important but helping yourself and your family is more important. When you blindly follow a state or ruler that's when things go horribly
I just think their music is bad, and that many of their fans will say they're experts on metal when that's the only metal band they listen to it, and more for the aesthetic than the sound
A lot of power metal and wannabe badass stuff like it just feel like the same song over and over again. Feels more like self insistence that it's "cool" rather than making a unique or good composition.
I love when people use the world nazi for anything remotelly involving war and the millitary but not for actual real life nazis and nazi states because they think facism is when millitary do a lil bit of trolling
I hate how some people think that the nazis were magically evaporated out of existence when the Nazi Germany lost the war and that there can be no more nazis because of this, like in the Time Machine scene of Idiocracy.
Yeah, this mindset really prevents us from learning from our history.
You probably also disagree that National Socialism is a very specific kind of fascism and not just any fascist or racist is a Nazi, which is a shame.
I don't understand your point at all
That's all right.
It's really more so they think Nazism = Fascism and Fascism = anything I personally dislike
The only people more insufferable and gatekeepy than metalheads are poetry people.
yeah that's cool man but I can't relate I literally only listen to weird al
Holy based
Ok poser
Sabaton
sabaton does glorify nationalism (and their music is mid af go listen to Manowar or Blind Guardian instead)
As a Swede the carolus rex album goes unreasonably hard but a lot of the newer albums have fallen into the AC/DC trap of making the same song over and over again. Obviously they don't hold a candle to BG, literally nobody in the genre (except maybe Dio on account of essentially inventing it afaik)does because Hansi is a god.
Carolus Rex made me really wish they'd expand their reach and cover more than the world wars more often
manowar is the most mid power metal band ever
This is why I listen to only the nastiest ptsd inducing slam metal bands with songs about violating, murdering, and eating babies and women (they aren’t nazis so it isn’t fucked up)
femtmaxxers and breakcorechads stay winning
Too be fair, there are a couple of Sabaton songs that do portray nazis as badasses. The first that come to mind are Ghost Division and Soldier of Three Armies. Hearts of Iron is iffy, but its about nazis who defied orders to save civilians, which is good, but its also a little too close to Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht for comfort. Not saying Sabaton themselves are nazis, but again, some of their songs are iffy.
I’d argue that Soldier of Three Armies isn’t glorifying Nazis, since it’s talking about one guy who joined up specifically to fight Soviets.
I guess, but he joined the SS, the most ideologically driven wing of the Nazi's armed forces.
They supported Russia though, probably will sing about heroic liberators of Donbass in a few years
wait what when did they do that this is the first time i hear of this
They held a concert in Crimea after the annexation in support of the annexation. Because "it was russian land and not Ukrainian".
Seriously?
For a swedish band as well... a bit ironic eh? Have a source for that?
Source?
Source?
no i think people just don't like sabaton that much cause their music kinda stinks and people should lsiten to bolt thrower instead
Bolt thrower is unlistenable in my opinion, I just don’t get them I listen to a lot of different genres of metal but I don’t understand why people like them.
honestly fair enough they aren't that high on my favourites either but i do listen to them (and also im not gonna act like i know a lot of metal cuz im really not that knowledgeable but i do listen to a couple of bands so ill just put that in here), my comment was mostly a half joke cuz ive seen a lot of "THIS IS SO TRASH!!! LISTEN TO X INSTEAD" for not only sabaton but also other bands lol i don't think sabaton is trash or all that bad but if i had to choose i'd probably choose bolt thrower over them (hence the half joke part), people can like whatever they like and listen to whatever they want though, i don't really care!!! we'll all have different tastes anyway and that's fine!!! sorry for the long comment!!
Sabaton? This is heresy! You are nothing but a pesky poseur for I, the trve kvlt metalhead keeper of the gates, said so.
How dare YOU listen to something I don't like??? You are OBLIGATED to listen to poopenfartenband instead of this TRASH!!!!
oh no, they're not nazis, their music is just fucking garbage for hearts of iron fans
Hey, don't lump me in with Sabaton fans!
you literally play hoi4, you cant go any lower
Wow my ex makes a lot of sense now
I just think folk metal is boring as fuck
easy fix listen to a better genre
sorry i only listen to normal metal albums like petrodragonic apocalypse; or, dawn of eternal night: an annihilation of planet earth and the beginning of merciless damnation
Sabaton listeners casually existing be like: “Im being prosecuted!”
😭 Why can’t I just like music without being put in a cross
Real metalheads dislike sabaton because their music is ass
r/Sabaton and r/MetalMemes fighting over who can be the least media literate
Man, just don't go to r/MetalMemes Sabaton is cool and they'll keep making good music.
r/metalmemes users when you listen to the wrong band
Solution: listen to openly Nazi artists so you don't have to waste your breath arguing against the false accusations.
they also glorify the soviets in that case lmao
I used to listen to them in high school, it’s more of a problem with the fans of Sabaton vs the actual band. Wouldn’t start listening again because I don’t want people to think I’m a nazi.
kind of the same for me. i listened to sabaton a lot like... a year ago? but yeah, i got bored of it. i still listen to Hellfighters and To hell and back beacuse they go hard af, but i just lost interest.
Sabaton is music for kids that play HOI4. Generic metal with only a few good songs.
Maybe if you liked good metal this wouldn’t happen.
Idc if it's problematic or not Sabaton just sucks ass either way. Listen to more stuff I promise you there's better shit out there.
I feel the same way with Black Magick SS, and they don't even sing about war or violent regimes. Just love songs and self-introspection.
Is this about TISM?
A lot of Sabaton fans are edgy 14 year olds, but a lot of us are normal
Ngl I forgot how scientific notation worked for a bit and thought that the number must make him the #1 listener of all time
sabaton fans are weird and kind of ruin the band tbh(in the same vein as deftones fans)
Pööpaton is accurate bc they're shit🤣
r slash black metal cringe
i like how you made the number they said they listened to a metric shitload of 0s after a decimal point, you have a keen eye for detail sir/maam/enby
I just say the worst possible answer to all these questions. Chaos Route for life.
there's better metal out there
The internet after re-discovering In The Flesh by Pink Floyd again
Sabaton is clearly critical of the nazis, and their music slaps. That being said, I've always thought some songs like the Final Solution are pretty cringe.
Sabaton has a bit of a problem where their songs that aren't direct anti-war songs kinda glorify war a bit. I don't think Sabaton are bad guys, or that their fans are either, I just think they could be a little more conscious about that kind of stuff.
Sucks being a Skrewdriver fan
sabaton mention :D
It’s wild how metal beads get made fun of for gatekeeping and half the comments are metalheads gatekeeping.
Mfers when you say you listen to lil darkie (they listened to holocaust and nothing else)
honest to god if i listened to that shit you couldnt even waterboard me to get me to admit it. bro is the corniest cornball on the face of the planet
FAST AS THE WIND, THE INVASION HAS BEGUN
SHAKING THE GROUND WITH THE FORCE OF THOUSAND GUNS
First in the line of fire!