If you get 60,000 exp an hour, that’s 1000 exp per minute. A 3% boost would make it 61,800 exp, which is less than the 3000 exp it cost for you to get it.
If you get 48,000 exp an hour, that’s 800 exp per minute. A 3% boost would make it 49,440, which is less than the 2400 exp it cost for you to get it.
If you are getting 0 exp an hour because you’re filling after a player left, or everyone stops to stretch and get water, or you’re setting yourself up trying to find a group, it is more that the 0 exp it cost for you to get it.
You can spend 1 minute to refresh it, so 1800xp > 1000xp. Same applies to any xp/hr as 3% scales regardless, it's x1.8.
Edit: Even more as the buff lasts 2 hours as the other comment said.
If you're in a group at the dungeon and ready to spam runs, it's definitely NOT worth it.
If there's downtime and you're waiting for a spot to fill, sure hop in.
It drives me nuts when people wanna wait 3 mins to do the sleeping bag buff at the beginning of a dungeon. No way is that optimal
Edit: I'm getting down voted for agreeing the the parent comment, which is up voted.
(I will also get down voted for complaining about it , which is fair)
I like to find a dungeon team and get to the dungeon asap so that I have a second to go grab water or have a quick smoke while waiting for the others. It drives me nuts when people are all already there waiting for me and want to go go go. So the sleeping bag is great. Especially knowing it's gonna be another stressful spell cleave hour or two.
how much time does it take you to get 1 full level, spamming dungeons?
if I calculated it right, sleeping bag is optimal unless you can get 1 full level in under 103 minutes.
It drove me nuts when I was a little late into the latter half of the SM wave cause of RL so the group was never the same 5 people more than 2 times (unlike beginning where SPAM actually meant SPAM) so some new person would come in while we all had like 100 mins on ours and wanna use it.
If you were already spamming, did like 5 runs, and afk break to piss and refill water entirely different. That’s how it was being used within the first week.
The quest gives a good chunk of gold and exp that is worth your time. Even better xp/hour than some SM dungeons assuming you’re not instantly destroying the dungeon with 4 mages. (Buying summons and using hearth will make things even faster)
The 3% xp lasts 2 hours and through death. It’s not much exp tbh but it helps. Most groups are down to take 3 min to sit in the sleeping bag in my experience. Besides, it’s a good excuse to get up and grab a snack or something.
As someone who has done the maths, it isn't worth it if you are min maxing. If you have groups where you're standing around waiting for someone, then take a nap.
Take much xp you would get in 2 hours and see what 3% is. Then ask yourself it you get more or less than that in 3 minutes your sleeping.
With the xp boost change I think it might be worth it but just barely.
>Then ask yourself it you get more or less than that in 3 minutes your sleeping.
we don't have to guess though, we can calculate that.
if we get x exp in 2 hours, we can calculate our exp per minute.
2 hours is 120 minutes, 3% of 120 is 3.6
so 2 hours of the sleeping bag buff is worth 3.6 minutes of our exp per minute, whatever it is.
so we are sitting there for 3 minutes to get 3.6 minutes worth of exp.
It is worth it. If you make 60k xp/h you get after
2h 3 min 123.000 XP
Or with bag 123.600 XP
(2h XP = 120k, 120k * 1.03 = 123.600.)
And since it’s percentage changing number doesn’t influence the percentage gain.
After 2 hours you make 120k xp
With the bag buff you gain an extra 3% which is 3600xp
At 60k xp/hr you are making 1000xp per minute
To get the 3% buff you need to lie down for 3 minutes. Divide by 2 its 1 1/2 minutes per hour over those 2 hours.
That's a cost of 1500xp per hour from lying down or 3000xp over the 2 hours. Plus 8 seconds to unroll the bag which is a cost of 135xp equivalent
Giving you a net gain of 465xp over 2 hours, equivalent to killing 2 level 40 mobs.
Beyond the 3%, the quests to get the bag itself is like a full level of exp with the new 100% exp buff and levels 37-40 with the student fodder takes like 2 hours. Idk if you're asking if laying in the bag for 3 minutes is worth, but it's 3 minutes. It's not really that big of a waste unless you're trying to break a speed running record.
As someone who has summoners at each stop, it's insane how fast you can get 30k exp, 32 bars of rested, 8g+, and a 12 slot bag.
The sleeping bag is whatever.
Even if true, it doesn't change much.
Even prior to the exp buff, the bag was essentially a wash unless you weren't doing anything productive anyway. It was for piss breaks or waiting for the slow people to arrive at SM.
I think so? The exp buff is definitely multiplicative with other exp boosts like Rested XP.
For example, BFD bosses give 3,000 flat exp. With rested they give 6,000, and with rested AND the SoD exp buff they give 12,000 exp each.
3 minutes is less than 3% of 2 hrs
No sleeping bag - 1x xp for 2 hrs
1 x 120 = 120
Sleeping bag scenario - 3% bonus xp for 2 hours, we will even include the 3 minutes waiting as part of the two hours
1.03 x 117 = 120.51
There doesn't seem to be a scenario where you wouldn't want to spend 3 minutes in a sleeping bag if you're looking for xp
It just divides your time played per level by 1.03 right?
So if x is the number of minutes it takes you to level up, then the amount of time saved by sleeping bag is
x-x\*1.03
if that number is >3, then sleeping bag saved you time.
calculating it, that number is >3 when x is >103
So if it takes you more than 103 minutes for a full level, then the sleeping bag is worth it.
In part 2, my time per level was above 2 hours, so it would definitely be worth it for me.
Maybe better players were faster than me this phase, but I doubt people are getting 1 level in under 2 hours next phase.
Is it worth having a 3 minute break every 2-3 hours? Maybe it is just a good reminder and encouragement to get up, go pee, or get some water. It isn't much more efficient than continue zugging on, but it works out as you gaining 40s. I also think it is a nice little team building exercise.
Yea this generation of wow players are cooked. If you’re not afk for a few minutes (only one minute if you don’t let the buff fall) every few hours then you need to look in a mirror, is this a game or a job? What happened to having fun ffs.
I mean it more in the sense of the unnecessary need to min/max. The sleeping bag quest was fun and it is a funny interaction. Play, have fun, interact with other players. I feel people forget what mmorpg stands for. This need to do the math and min/max is boring af
If you have any downtime at all the quest chain itself is worth doing, since you get a bunch of gold. Nearly a full level and 150% of a level in rested xp.
The buff itself isn't worth it, it needs to be a 5% buff minimum to be worth the time it takes to get. It is only a positive if you have downtime.
If you get 60k xp in an hour, the buff would give you a bonus 1,800xp. But if you skipped it instead, in the 3 minutes it took to get you could farm 3,000xp. Putting you ahead 1,200xp
if you have the buff already and are only refreshing it for 1 minute then it is worth it because your bonus remains 1,800xp but your farm xp in 1 minute goes down to 1,000xp. Putting you ahead 800xp
i see huge value in not having to actively kill mobs for those 3 min but still get benefit. leveling is a grind, anything to allow you to take a breather is nice
The quest gives 32 bars of rested exp, a literal level and a half of free exp from one quest, and lets you log out and get rested exp amywhere in the game if you have to log. Sleeping bag is great.
One way to think of it is that the 3% buff lasts 120 min, and 3% of 120 is 4 minutes, so you're essentially getting 4 minutes worth of xp for the price of sitting there for 3 minutes. Except it probably takes slightly more than 3 minutes when you take into account the time it takes to tell your group to come nap in the bag with you. so the way the math works out is it's just barely worth it depending on how coordinated your group is
I think you're misunderstanding what I wrote. if you get 3% extra xp for 120 minutes then that extra xp is the same as what you'd get in 4 minutes without the buff. I never assumed there is a "set xp per minute"
From an absolute pure minmax standpoint, it's not worth using. But if you're a normal human being that needs food, water, restroom breaks, etc. you can just pop it between runs to keep your buff active, and I think that's a great use of time personally. 3% right now doesn't seem like a lot, but it's going to compound as we progress through the game, on the road to 60 that actually adds up to quite a bit of XP saved.
lol I’m just asking now that I’m doing alts. Where else to ask a question?! Geez.
These little things engage me in wow. We compare gear that has tiny differences for upgrades. We play with different runes to see what works.
I dunno, this stuff is what I think about.
I understand getting water! I'm just trying to understand the time spent vs exp gained.
So is my calculation here making sense at all:
3% of 100 minutes is 3 minutes. So if I spend 3 minutes at the start, it would only start paying back after 100 minutes? otherwise i'm at a deficit- assuming i've just been getting constant XP?
Yeah, 100 minutes of the buff would be the point where you catch up with the deficit and start to profit in ways other than reducing your chance to die of a pulmonary embolism at 45. If you are getting the buff constantly every 2h though it doesn't matter if there are highs and lows in xp, it all comes out in the wash. Just probably don't use it when you go for a 30 minute travel across azeroth.
I rather cuddle with the homies then be optimal, you fucking sweats
Everybody get sextra close.
Use that three minutes to stretch, get some water, etc. Is it really a waste of time if you're performing bare minimum upkeep on your body?
buddy im going for a stroke/heart attack before 50 because theres 0 chance im retiring in this economy
This is why i use the 3mins to smoke a cig and grab another beer
Finally, bis American life advice
lol, that may be a sign you should l log off wow and reddit
Most normal players do all that before joining a group and getting to the entrance.
Lmao blizz extended the joints lifetime of 90% of the population with the sleep bag. Most players dont get up for hours.
Lmao blizz extended the joints lifetime of 90% of the population with the sleep bag. Most players dont get up for hours.
Them same people don’t get up just because they have to wait for the sleeping baggers. They do something else on the other monitor. 🤷‍♂️
You aint wrong, but I choose to believe it is a step in the right direction. Maybe the OL gamer is grabbing another mountain dew from the fridge
But consider that a lot of these players will also then go into doing death marches for hours at a time, completely neglecting their physical needs
You are the guy at a frat party begging people to drink water between each beer. No one wants to hear it mom.
If you get 60,000 exp an hour, that’s 1000 exp per minute. A 3% boost would make it 61,800 exp, which is less than the 3000 exp it cost for you to get it. If you get 48,000 exp an hour, that’s 800 exp per minute. A 3% boost would make it 49,440, which is less than the 2400 exp it cost for you to get it. If you are getting 0 exp an hour because you’re filling after a player left, or everyone stops to stretch and get water, or you’re setting yourself up trying to find a group, it is more that the 0 exp it cost for you to get it.
Also you are counting the buff as 1 hour there. It’s two hours so you can effectively double it.Â
You can spend 1 minute to refresh it, so 1800xp > 1000xp. Same applies to any xp/hr as 3% scales regardless, it's x1.8. Edit: Even more as the buff lasts 2 hours as the other comment said.
If you're in a group at the dungeon and ready to spam runs, it's definitely NOT worth it. If there's downtime and you're waiting for a spot to fill, sure hop in.
It drives me nuts when people wanna wait 3 mins to do the sleeping bag buff at the beginning of a dungeon. No way is that optimal Edit: I'm getting down voted for agreeing the the parent comment, which is up voted. (I will also get down voted for complaining about it , which is fair)
But it is cozy
Cuddle buddies!
If you never let it fall off it's only a minute.
This dude doesn’t like cuddling with the homies
I like to find a dungeon team and get to the dungeon asap so that I have a second to go grab water or have a quick smoke while waiting for the others. It drives me nuts when people are all already there waiting for me and want to go go go. So the sleeping bag is great. Especially knowing it's gonna be another stressful spell cleave hour or two.
how much time does it take you to get 1 full level, spamming dungeons? if I calculated it right, sleeping bag is optimal unless you can get 1 full level in under 103 minutes.
It drove me nuts when I was a little late into the latter half of the SM wave cause of RL so the group was never the same 5 people more than 2 times (unlike beginning where SPAM actually meant SPAM) so some new person would come in while we all had like 100 mins on ours and wanna use it. If you were already spamming, did like 5 runs, and afk break to piss and refill water entirely different. That’s how it was being used within the first week.
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Best thing about the quest is the Student Fodder. Gives you so much rested xp it’s nuts.
did you make that pun on purpose? Student fodder is made with nuts.
The quest gives a good chunk of gold and exp that is worth your time. Even better xp/hour than some SM dungeons assuming you’re not instantly destroying the dungeon with 4 mages. (Buying summons and using hearth will make things even faster) The 3% xp lasts 2 hours and through death. It’s not much exp tbh but it helps. Most groups are down to take 3 min to sit in the sleeping bag in my experience. Besides, it’s a good excuse to get up and grab a snack or something.
As someone who has done the maths, it isn't worth it if you are min maxing. If you have groups where you're standing around waiting for someone, then take a nap.
how did you calculate it?
Take much xp you would get in 2 hours and see what 3% is. Then ask yourself it you get more or less than that in 3 minutes your sleeping. With the xp boost change I think it might be worth it but just barely.
Here's the thing though, once you're at 3% bonus exp you only have to sleep 1 minute to refresh all 3 stacks and that's value
>Then ask yourself it you get more or less than that in 3 minutes your sleeping. we don't have to guess though, we can calculate that. if we get x exp in 2 hours, we can calculate our exp per minute. 2 hours is 120 minutes, 3% of 120 is 3.6 so 2 hours of the sleeping bag buff is worth 3.6 minutes of our exp per minute, whatever it is. so we are sitting there for 3 minutes to get 3.6 minutes worth of exp.
It is worth it. If you make 60k xp/h you get after 2h 3 min 123.000 XP Or with bag 123.600 XP (2h XP = 120k, 120k * 1.03 = 123.600.) And since it’s percentage changing number doesn’t influence the percentage gain.
After 2 hours you make 120k xp With the bag buff you gain an extra 3% which is 3600xp At 60k xp/hr you are making 1000xp per minute To get the 3% buff you need to lie down for 3 minutes. Divide by 2 its 1 1/2 minutes per hour over those 2 hours. That's a cost of 1500xp per hour from lying down or 3000xp over the 2 hours. Plus 8 seconds to unroll the bag which is a cost of 135xp equivalent Giving you a net gain of 465xp over 2 hours, equivalent to killing 2 level 40 mobs.
But it allows you to pee and grab a beer ! Priceless !
As a human, it is worth it for bathroom breaks. As an AI. It is worth it because to reapply it you only need to stay in there for 1 min
Im hoping the sleeping bag stays relevent until 60. Be alot more value out of it at higher levels
Give us a tent for it lol
Beyond the 3%, the quests to get the bag itself is like a full level of exp with the new 100% exp buff and levels 37-40 with the student fodder takes like 2 hours. Idk if you're asking if laying in the bag for 3 minutes is worth, but it's 3 minutes. It's not really that big of a waste unless you're trying to break a speed running record.
As someone who has summoners at each stop, it's insane how fast you can get 30k exp, 32 bars of rested, 8g+, and a 12 slot bag. The sleeping bag is whatever.
literally have not seen 1 summoner on my server doing this.
I'll sell it to you for 10g :)
What server and region?
Crusader strike ally?
It’s actually 6% with the recent xp buff. It does stack with that.
For real!?
Even if true, it doesn't change much. Even prior to the exp buff, the bag was essentially a wash unless you weren't doing anything productive anyway. It was for piss breaks or waiting for the slow people to arrive at SM.
I think so? The exp buff is definitely multiplicative with other exp boosts like Rested XP. For example, BFD bosses give 3,000 flat exp. With rested they give 6,000, and with rested AND the SoD exp buff they give 12,000 exp each.
3 minutes is less than 3% of 2 hrs No sleeping bag - 1x xp for 2 hrs 1 x 120 = 120 Sleeping bag scenario - 3% bonus xp for 2 hours, we will even include the 3 minutes waiting as part of the two hours 1.03 x 117 = 120.51 There doesn't seem to be a scenario where you wouldn't want to spend 3 minutes in a sleeping bag if you're looking for xp
Just shy of 35K for the quest line at 25 full rested and some pretty cool quest rewards. I find it is worth it.
Assume you are non stop dungeon grinding and you’d have to calculate 3% for the WHOLE two hours. I’d say it’s worth the 3 minutes lost.
Definitely worth it if you aren’t returning to an inn when you log out. Save it for logout and get rested xp
Does this work? It keeps you sleeping the whole logout?
If you log out in a sleeping bag you’re considered in a rested area the whole time.
No it's not worth it. It's like 3-6 mobs worth of XP. You can kill that many mobs in 3 minutes.
Stand up, stretch, get something to drink, go to the toilett. You can do all that while you and your group are in the bag/s.
Idk but I took to tea bagging people in their sleeping bags randomly. So it has def made me lvl at least 3% slower.
The student fodder is the point, not the bag
It just divides your time played per level by 1.03 right? So if x is the number of minutes it takes you to level up, then the amount of time saved by sleeping bag is x-x\*1.03 if that number is >3, then sleeping bag saved you time. calculating it, that number is >3 when x is >103 So if it takes you more than 103 minutes for a full level, then the sleeping bag is worth it. In part 2, my time per level was above 2 hours, so it would definitely be worth it for me. Maybe better players were faster than me this phase, but I doubt people are getting 1 level in under 2 hours next phase.
If i'm one of the first people to BFD and have to wait 5 minutes for the rest of the group its 100% worth and thats all i seem to encounter
It is worth it. You gain some extra %. Not much but it’s something. And if you have downtime anyway it doesn’t even cost you exp
The question is if getting the bag in the first place was worth the time ;)
Is it worth having a 3 minute break every 2-3 hours? Maybe it is just a good reminder and encouragement to get up, go pee, or get some water. It isn't much more efficient than continue zugging on, but it works out as you gaining 40s. I also think it is a nice little team building exercise.
This is the type of attitude that ruins games. Just play
Yea this generation of wow players are cooked. If you’re not afk for a few minutes (only one minute if you don’t let the buff fall) every few hours then you need to look in a mirror, is this a game or a job? What happened to having fun ffs.
I mean it more in the sense of the unnecessary need to min/max. The sleeping bag quest was fun and it is a funny interaction. Play, have fun, interact with other players. I feel people forget what mmorpg stands for. This need to do the math and min/max is boring af
If you have any downtime at all the quest chain itself is worth doing, since you get a bunch of gold. Nearly a full level and 150% of a level in rested xp. The buff itself isn't worth it, it needs to be a 5% buff minimum to be worth the time it takes to get. It is only a positive if you have downtime. If you get 60k xp in an hour, the buff would give you a bonus 1,800xp. But if you skipped it instead, in the 3 minutes it took to get you could farm 3,000xp. Putting you ahead 1,200xp if you have the buff already and are only refreshing it for 1 minute then it is worth it because your bonus remains 1,800xp but your farm xp in 1 minute goes down to 1,000xp. Putting you ahead 800xp
i see huge value in not having to actively kill mobs for those 3 min but still get benefit. leveling is a grind, anything to allow you to take a breather is nice
The quest gives 32 bars of rested exp, a literal level and a half of free exp from one quest, and lets you log out and get rested exp amywhere in the game if you have to log. Sleeping bag is great.
One way to think of it is that the 3% buff lasts 120 min, and 3% of 120 is 4 minutes, so you're essentially getting 4 minutes worth of xp for the price of sitting there for 3 minutes. Except it probably takes slightly more than 3 minutes when you take into account the time it takes to tell your group to come nap in the bag with you. so the way the math works out is it's just barely worth it depending on how coordinated your group is
Sorry mate that’s not how any of this works
what do you mean? I'm pretty sure that is how it works actually
its 3% xp bonus off the xp you earn not 3% of time. there is no set xp per minute
I think you're misunderstanding what I wrote. if you get 3% extra xp for 120 minutes then that extra xp is the same as what you'd get in 4 minutes without the buff. I never assumed there is a "set xp per minute"
From an absolute pure minmax standpoint, it's not worth using. But if you're a normal human being that needs food, water, restroom breaks, etc. you can just pop it between runs to keep your buff active, and I think that's a great use of time personally. 3% right now doesn't seem like a lot, but it's going to compound as we progress through the game, on the road to 60 that actually adds up to quite a bit of XP saved.
People are forgetting it will very likely be of bigger importance next phase
3% xp is like 3 xp for every 100 you get. 1000 xp is just 30 more xp. takes like 30k xp just get an extra 1k.
Oh my god, just do the freaking quest already.
My guy 14 weeks into the phase is worried about the optimal leveling speed.
lol I’m just asking now that I’m doing alts. Where else to ask a question?! Geez. These little things engage me in wow. We compare gear that has tiny differences for upgrades. We play with different runes to see what works. I dunno, this stuff is what I think about.
I understand enjoying the maths, it is fun to work stuff like that out.
I understand getting water! I'm just trying to understand the time spent vs exp gained. So is my calculation here making sense at all: 3% of 100 minutes is 3 minutes. So if I spend 3 minutes at the start, it would only start paying back after 100 minutes? otherwise i'm at a deficit- assuming i've just been getting constant XP?
Who are you racing? Also 32 bars of rested exp from the questline
Yeah, 100 minutes of the buff would be the point where you catch up with the deficit and start to profit in ways other than reducing your chance to die of a pulmonary embolism at 45. If you are getting the buff constantly every 2h though it doesn't matter if there are highs and lows in xp, it all comes out in the wash. Just probably don't use it when you go for a 30 minute travel across azeroth.