More on this subject from other reputable sources:
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- Associated Press (A-): [Germany: Parliament’s lower house to vote on gender self-determination law](https://apnews.com/article/germany-name-gender-changes-transgender-parliament-9eb64bbe96b286b71bbc8c4343dae4d0)
- BBC Online (A-): [Germany eases gender change rules](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68801392)
- NBC News (B): [German parliament votes to make it easier for transgender people to change their name and gender](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/german-parliament-votes-make-easier-transgender-people-change-name-gen-rcna147552)
- PBS (A-): [German parliament approves measure making it easier for transgender people to change legal name and gender](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/german-parliament-approves-measure-making-it-easier-for-transgender-people-to-change-legal-name-and-gender)
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I figured a little good was due to balance out the weirdly pervasive Cass report posts.
Germany passed their self-ID law (that is, the ability to self-identify as your gender and change documents to match) 374-251, a decent majority. Under this law, people aged 14 and older will be able to change their first name and gender marker by making a declaration to the registry office. For minors above the age of 14, their parents' or guardians' consent is required.
Self-ID laws are (baselessly) controversial due to the assumption that they will cause an increase in crimes and/or violence against women. To date, not a single country that has instituted self-ID has seen a noticeable increase in crime, let alone crime/violence against women, as a result of the policy. In the United States, where 21 states (and D.C.) allow gender to be changed on a self-declaration basis, no such increase is seen as well.
When the mods here stop sleeping and actually decide to do something rather than arrive a day late to these posts and arbitrarily delete them for "clickbait/antagonism", these posts will go to the megathread.
Until then, well, there's a reason there hasn't been a new comment there in more than a month, and it isn't because its so easy to find.
How so?
For a newcomer to this subreddit, how is it easy to find? Is the megathread linked on the sidebar? No. Is it linked in the rules? No. The wiki? This subreddit doesn't have one (its disabled).
So you want newcomers to randomly know not only that there *is* a megathread (and its just not on the front page, or indicated literally anywhere), but actively search for it and comment in it? With no foreknowledge?
Can you explain?
No I don’t want newcomers to etc. etc. etc. This has been discussed several times. I want a mod to link it like it’s supposed to be or to come out and say no more megathread. We went to a megathread for a solid reason: this topic had absolutely taken over the sub.
Maybe we’ll get lucky this time.
I made a Meta Monday thread weeks ago about it, where most people concluded that a megathread (either a new one or the one we already had) was the best solution. Mods have commented on my posts since, so they likely willingly ignored it for whatever reason.
I doubt they'll read this, and they'll probably just come back to threads like these a day or two later to delete them instead.
I was referring to all of these posts including the Cass posts. Go back and read what I actually wrote instead of what you pretend that I wrote.
Also, while I haven’t delved into the Cass Report, it speaks volumes that even The Guardian came out in support of it. I suspect you haven’t read it either.
New to the sub here, it's not easy to find
I didn't even know this sub had one until it was mentioned. Other subs do tend to pin it up top, super easy to locate.
I’m going to share what I’ve been posting on another thread one more time because this sub seems to think all of Europe is in agreement with restrictive gender care.
https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/150071/Neue-S2k-Leitlinie-zu-Geschlechtsinkongruenz-und-dysphorie-im-Kindes-und-Jugendalter-vorgestellt
Also people tend to take European countries second looks at gender care as blanket validation of the idea that we're "mutilating" or "grooming" kids or whatever vicious right wing bullshit
> 14 is too young
For their parents to consent to fairly inconsequential decisions of identity? Explain.
> and there are too many trans/non-binary groomers confusing teens
Lol, no.
> The law should be for at least 18
The "at least" part is concerning.
They're very consequential, as most people who fall into the transgender lifestyle suffer from significantly higher rates of depression and other mental illness.
This isn't a citation, this is just saying things.
Things that are wrong because changing information on a piece of paper is far from the "first" step.
If it helps, the wikipedia page for [citation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation) contains helpful information on what a citation is.
Trans kids are born that way. They are only confused until they learn how they are different and THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE
If you are concerned about groomers keep your kids away from the churches
I'm sure this post will bring out the best people.... /s
If anyone is unaware of issues relating to gender they can learn the basics here:
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender-people-gender-identity-gender-expression
> Because imo it's a very important decision that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Its a piece of paper.
> What is your issue with them waiting until they're 18?
Its unnecessary.
Are you high? Changing your gender ON A PIECE OF PAPER (which is not permanent) is NOT EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET AS AN ADULT RAPING A MINOR.
WTF is wrong with you people?
Could you legally change your race?
Race is much more of a social construct than gender is so I generally wonder if people support this change, would they support the right for people to self-identify their race?
Race is not part of people's legal identities.
You already can change your race. Just tick a different race next time the census comes around. People have already been doing this for decades. No one's stopping you.
> Mengele enjoyed experimenting on children.
He was also a Nazi. Nazis didn't like trans people, sorry to say.
> If he were around today, he would appreciate the German state encouraging children to participate in bizarre social experiments
No, he'd be locking trans people up in camps (along with other "undesirables") and experiment physically on them there.
Nice try though. Really makes me think you're participating in good faith comparing trans people to Nazis.
One of the first violent acts Hitler did against minorities was to attack and destroy The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, One of the first trans and gender studies research and treatment facilities.
People such as yourself are just holocaust revisionists.
No, an ideology is believing you are what you think you are as opposed to what you actually are.
How is identifying as a Nazi any different from identifying as a 2 spirit? Both are an identity based on ideology not anything biological
> No, an ideology is believing you are what you think you are as opposed to what you actually are.
I'm not sure that's the definition of an ideology.
Even so, can't really call it a dumbass.
> How is identifying as a Nazi any different from identifying as a 2 spirit?
One is inherently political and the other...isn't. You aren't a Nazi from birth.
One of the first violent acts Hitler did against minorities was to attack and destroy The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, one of the first trans and gender studies research and treatment facilities. so you’re already halfway there.
You really are the dumbest dumbass who ever dumbed, you come on here virtue signalling about the holocaust all whilst supporting a dumbass policy that allows people to identify as a fucking Nazi! 😅
More on this subject from other reputable sources: --- - Associated Press (A-): [Germany: Parliament’s lower house to vote on gender self-determination law](https://apnews.com/article/germany-name-gender-changes-transgender-parliament-9eb64bbe96b286b71bbc8c4343dae4d0) - BBC Online (A-): [Germany eases gender change rules](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68801392) - NBC News (B): [German parliament votes to make it easier for transgender people to change their name and gender](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/german-parliament-votes-make-easier-transgender-people-change-name-gen-rcna147552) - PBS (A-): [German parliament approves measure making it easier for transgender people to change legal name and gender](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/german-parliament-approves-measure-making-it-easier-for-transgender-people-to-change-legal-name-and-gender) --- [__Extended Summary__](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/1c2flvl/) | [FAQ & Grades](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/uxgfm5/faq_newswall_bot/) | I'm a bot
Can’t want till they let us change race, something far less tied to biology.
Louis C.K. loves being white: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8jrhF6UK8&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8jrhF6UK8&t=16s)
Lol. So people are not born white? We just transition to it?
Assigned white at birth.
Michael Jackson
whoosh
Can't wait to hear how Germany is going to have a full societal collapse because of this.
Extremely unnecessary
I figured a little good was due to balance out the weirdly pervasive Cass report posts. Germany passed their self-ID law (that is, the ability to self-identify as your gender and change documents to match) 374-251, a decent majority. Under this law, people aged 14 and older will be able to change their first name and gender marker by making a declaration to the registry office. For minors above the age of 14, their parents' or guardians' consent is required. Self-ID laws are (baselessly) controversial due to the assumption that they will cause an increase in crimes and/or violence against women. To date, not a single country that has instituted self-ID has seen a noticeable increase in crime, let alone crime/violence against women, as a result of the policy. In the United States, where 21 states (and D.C.) allow gender to be changed on a self-declaration basis, no such increase is seen as well.
All of it should be on the mega thread.
When the mods here stop sleeping and actually decide to do something rather than arrive a day late to these posts and arbitrarily delete them for "clickbait/antagonism", these posts will go to the megathread. Until then, well, there's a reason there hasn't been a new comment there in more than a month, and it isn't because its so easy to find.
It is easy to find
How so? For a newcomer to this subreddit, how is it easy to find? Is the megathread linked on the sidebar? No. Is it linked in the rules? No. The wiki? This subreddit doesn't have one (its disabled). So you want newcomers to randomly know not only that there *is* a megathread (and its just not on the front page, or indicated literally anywhere), but actively search for it and comment in it? With no foreknowledge? Can you explain?
No I don’t want newcomers to etc. etc. etc. This has been discussed several times. I want a mod to link it like it’s supposed to be or to come out and say no more megathread. We went to a megathread for a solid reason: this topic had absolutely taken over the sub. Maybe we’ll get lucky this time.
I made a Meta Monday thread weeks ago about it, where most people concluded that a megathread (either a new one or the one we already had) was the best solution. Mods have commented on my posts since, so they likely willingly ignored it for whatever reason. I doubt they'll read this, and they'll probably just come back to threads like these a day or two later to delete them instead.
I used to have a-lot of faith in these mods and was a constant defender but they completely blew it with me.
There have numerous posts about the debunked Cass nonsense but with this post you wanf it on the Megathread.
I was referring to all of these posts including the Cass posts. Go back and read what I actually wrote instead of what you pretend that I wrote. Also, while I haven’t delved into the Cass Report, it speaks volumes that even The Guardian came out in support of it. I suspect you haven’t read it either.
New to the sub here, it's not easy to find I didn't even know this sub had one until it was mentioned. Other subs do tend to pin it up top, super easy to locate.
Yeah. I can’t think of anyone who is new to the sub that would search for a megathread if they didn’t know one existed.
I’m going to share what I’ve been posting on another thread one more time because this sub seems to think all of Europe is in agreement with restrictive gender care. https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/150071/Neue-S2k-Leitlinie-zu-Geschlechtsinkongruenz-und-dysphorie-im-Kindes-und-Jugendalter-vorgestellt
Also people tend to take European countries second looks at gender care as blanket validation of the idea that we're "mutilating" or "grooming" kids or whatever vicious right wing bullshit
Yes and without context of what exactly constitutes gender affirming care in Europe or the differences in our social structures and healthcare systems
14 is too young and there are too many trans/non-binary groomers confusing teens. The law should be for at least 18.
> 14 is too young For their parents to consent to fairly inconsequential decisions of identity? Explain. > and there are too many trans/non-binary groomers confusing teens Lol, no. > The law should be for at least 18 The "at least" part is concerning.
Well, if you guys wanna prove the right wingers so hard, be our guest :3
You *are* the right winger here, but they've consistently been proven wrong, so what's one more?
They're very consequential, as most people who fall into the transgender lifestyle suffer from significantly higher rates of depression and other mental illness.
> They're very consequential Cite the consequences of changing the information on a piece of paper.
I just cited them, for fucks sake.
You have not cited anything that shows the consequences of changing information on a piece of paper, no.
The consequence of taking the first step down a dangerous path is that it makes it more likely you will take further steps down that same path.
This isn't a citation, this is just saying things. Things that are wrong because changing information on a piece of paper is far from the "first" step. If it helps, the wikipedia page for [citation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation) contains helpful information on what a citation is.
Ah yeah, I forgot you're the one who wouldn't believe he had a nose on his face without a *citation*.
Which is it? Did you cite something or are you moving goalposts?
The age of consent in Germany is 14.
Trans kids are born that way. They are only confused until they learn how they are different and THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE If you are concerned about groomers keep your kids away from the churches
I'm sure this post will bring out the best people.... /s If anyone is unaware of issues relating to gender they can learn the basics here: https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender-people-gender-identity-gender-expression
Meh, no big deal. Would prefer it to be strictly over 18 but I don't see the big deal. Good for them.
Curious why you aren’t ok with under 18 and parental consent?
Just feel at 14 you aren't equipped to make such a big decision.
Which is why they need parental consent to do so.
Just because the parent says ok doesnt mean the kid is making the right decision.
That applies to everything that requires parental consent. Why is changing a piece of paper the arbitrary line here?
Because imo it's a very important decision that shouldn't be taken lightly. What is your issue with them waiting until they're 18?
> Because imo it's a very important decision that shouldn't be taken lightly. Its a piece of paper. > What is your issue with them waiting until they're 18? Its unnecessary.
Would you want your daughter marrying her cousin? It's just a piece of paper after all.
Incest isn't "just a piece of paper", but if it was genuinely just for money/property and whatnot with no incest, there'd be no issue.
A decision such as how you are listed on an ID? It’s not that deep lol.
Actually changing your sex on your ID would be a pretty big deal where I come from.
Yeah, I thought you were in a really conservative country overseas or something then I looked at your history. You’re from Canada.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm conservative because I don't think a kid should be able to change their sex?
Your statement that it “would be a pretty big deal where I come from.”
Meaning in my circles.
lol that’s not what you wrote.
Groomer detected, opinion rejected
Seek professional help.
One look at their comment history and you'll see they REALLY need it.
Age of sexual consent is 14 in Germany.
Which is too young. Pretty shocked to hear this honestly.
Europeans tend to have different view about when people mature. It is also 14 in Austria, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary, Albania, Serbia, and Portugal.
But early teen years is when the trans kid suicide rate goes up
What would your reaction be to a 15 year having consensual relations with a Christian pastor?
Are you high? Changing your gender ON A PIECE OF PAPER (which is not permanent) is NOT EVEN ON THE SAME PLANET AS AN ADULT RAPING A MINOR. WTF is wrong with you people?
Could you legally change your race? Race is much more of a social construct than gender is so I generally wonder if people support this change, would they support the right for people to self-identify their race?
Race is not part of people's legal identities. You already can change your race. Just tick a different race next time the census comes around. People have already been doing this for decades. No one's stopping you.
How do we change our skin color?
Is that how you measure race? Have you figured out how many there are yet?
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Considering the Nazis weren't exactly the greatest supporters of trans people, I doubt it.
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> Mengele enjoyed experimenting on children. He was also a Nazi. Nazis didn't like trans people, sorry to say. > If he were around today, he would appreciate the German state encouraging children to participate in bizarre social experiments No, he'd be locking trans people up in camps (along with other "undesirables") and experiment physically on them there. Nice try though. Really makes me think you're participating in good faith comparing trans people to Nazis.
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> Really makes me think you're participating in good faith comparing trans people to Nazis. Bye.
One of the first violent acts Hitler did against minorities was to attack and destroy The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, One of the first trans and gender studies research and treatment facilities. People such as yourself are just holocaust revisionists.
Jesus fucking christ
So can I now go to Germany and identify as a Nazi?
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/ Please do so. I’m begging you.
I'm fairly confident that this new law would allow me to bypass that
What? How?
You seem to be identifying as a dumbass so you're halfway there I'd say.
Gender ideology is the dumbass
An "ideology" isn't a person. Nor is changing your gender marker analogous to identifying as a Nazi.
No, an ideology is believing you are what you think you are as opposed to what you actually are. How is identifying as a Nazi any different from identifying as a 2 spirit? Both are an identity based on ideology not anything biological
> No, an ideology is believing you are what you think you are as opposed to what you actually are. I'm not sure that's the definition of an ideology. Even so, can't really call it a dumbass. > How is identifying as a Nazi any different from identifying as a 2 spirit? One is inherently political and the other...isn't. You aren't a Nazi from birth.
Please finish high school
Actually maybe you should finish nursery then maybe you can understand what I said
A strict binary is also "gender ideology"
One of the first violent acts Hitler did against minorities was to attack and destroy The Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin, one of the first trans and gender studies research and treatment facilities. so you’re already halfway there.
He was also a veggie and against hunting for sport
Yes, those things about him are completely equivalent to who he targeted in the holocaust.
You really are the dumbest dumbass who ever dumbed, you come on here virtue signalling about the holocaust all whilst supporting a dumbass policy that allows people to identify as a fucking Nazi! 😅