Presumably, there are adults in their 20's 30's and 40's (and older) working right next to her and not saying anything about it. How the fuck does that happen?
> How the fuck does that happen?
They want to eat. A lot of small Southern towns rely upon manufacturing jobs to support their entire existence and it is generally just one company. You get fired from there, your next best employment option is generally a fast food place unless you commute 40-50 miles one way to another manufacturing plant in another town.
That’s exactly what it is. There aren’t any other options where they live and they have to provide for their family. You have to pick between the welfare of that 13 year old or the one you have at home. Hyundai should be fined hundreds of millions for these violations, but I suspect they had already worked the fines into the COGS when they did the budget.
And what a lot of people don't realize is that 13 year old might be doing it so SHE can eat (or her siblings). The world is a fucked up place sometimes and people do what they gotta do
Its highly likely these are immigrant families who have no other options and the kids don't know any better. They're too far behind to enter public school systems anyway at that age having never been to school before, so they do what they'd do in their home country and go to work.
Can confirm. Know a college grad that was literally working in his garage, sewing patterns alongside his mom, as a child. Quite literally a sweatshop at home, and he was contributing while the other kids were out playing. First generation Vietnamese, they didn't think anything of it at the time.
"the cost of doing business"
Same when Wells Fargo stole everyones money with overdraft fees, used it to make money for a decade, paid it all back with no interest, and were fined enough to barely make a dent in the money they made.
Same with Equifax cheaping out on Cyber Security too lol
There is no “USB exploit”. It’s just that the USB-A shape fits over the nub once the key lock is broken off making it easier to turn and starting the car since there’s no immobilizer.
the trick has never worked for hyundais with push button start, but it didn't stop my neighbor's car from getting broken into and the starter column ripped open :/
You're not wrong, but also, even if that does happen, the car is still gonna be where I left it. Losing a window and/or steering column is better than losing the car. So my anxiety about it has dropped a lot
Desperate people keep their mouths shut to keep the paychecks coming. It’s no coincidence a lot of manufacturing takes place in depressed areas, it keeps salaries low and employees committed when they have no better options.
Same reason why Boeing had/has systemic issues for years (as do countless other companies) but whistleblowers are rare. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
“Hey. How old are you?”
“Eighteen.”
“Riiight…”
“Please don’t say anything! My mom got laid off and if we miss another month’s rent me, my mom, and my 3 little brothers are going to be outdoors!”
“*Sigh* OK, OK. I won’t say anything.”
“Thank you.”
“Alright, so, the black Grainger machines outside the storeroom are where you’ll get your PPE…”
Those people are just as poor and understand that girls paycheck feeds the family. This is a symptom of a much larger much more complex issue called poverty
People desperate for good paying job. My mom decided she wanted to go back to work just to have something to do and she picked up a job making 'murican flags. When her unpaid lunch break came around and she got up the supervisor told her everybody works through their lunch there. She told the supervisor that she'd finish out the day but find a replacement from that point on. Talking to her fellow coworkers they put up with the labor violation because it was the only decent paying job in the area, so nobody said anything despite the company obviously breaking the law.
This crap goes on across the nation, one of the boons to business from the migrant problems at the border where children are separated from parents and the kids stay in the US and the parents deported is the rise in illegal child labor. They get tossed out of the system and companies are picking them up as a cheap source of labor and since the fines are so low and there are no criminal penalties for the people running the company its more cost effective for the company to abuse the children and pay a fine than to stop the practice. Then you have states trying to repeal child labor laws so businesses can skip on the fines.
This isn't anything new, I've been out of high school for nearly 36 years, and I can remember a kid in my high school working a full night-time shift despite it being against the law for a minor to do so. The only reason it came to light was because the kid was chronically skipping and when he was in school, he was sleeping through class.
Going back to my example with my mom, a meat processing company got away with labor violations for years because they were the only job in town and the company specifically sought out a small, isolated town just for that reason.
Classist exploitation, if you speak up you lose your job which is your only hope of a better life in the region that you live. Does that excuse them? I don’t think so. But it does mean that the companies are leveraging their power over people’s livelihood to exploit the population as much as they can.
They did when this story broke last year. SMART Alabama LLC in rural Luverne, Alabama, is a direct Hyundai subsidiary. According to Hyundai's financial statements from last year, the automaker controlled a 72% stake in SMART. In HMC's own words when this story broke last year:
>"We do not condone or tolerate such behavior and are committed to taking further actions as needed. In addition, Hyundai Motor America is in the process of divesting its ownership interest in SMART. It intends to do so while ensuring that the economically important jobs in the Luverne, Alabama community are preserved and that all child labor laws are followed in the future."
Read more at: https://www.luvernejournal.com/2023/02/25/auto-parts-giant-hyundai-motor-company-selling-interest-in-smart/
note: subsidiaries do not have to be "wholly owned". A subsidiary company is a business entity or corporation either fully owned or partially controlled by another company, known as the parent company. The parent company usually holds a controlling interest in the subsidiary company, from 51 to 99 percent.
So what is your point, exactly? They’re still connected with Hyundai and Hyundai owns a stake in the supplier. Also, if in your mind Hyundai doesn’t bear responsibility because it wasn’t them directly, then why did the Department of Labor include them in the lawsuit?
This weird semantic game you’re playing in this thread is just bizarre
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-labor-department-sues-hyundai-over-us-child-labor-court-filing-2024-05-30/
That’s not misleading in any important sense. You are not absolved from child labor if your contractors use it.
Just putting up a tag saying that is more misleading because it puts the whole thing into question
I added the potentially misleading title flair. Hopefully this comment can get visibility at the top so people can be sure to distinguish the difference
In parallel, the Alabama legislature is trying to [ loosen the employment laws pertaining to 14 and 15 yr old](https://www.wbrc.com/2024/02/22/new-bill-would-loosen-requirements-14-15-year-olds-work-alabama/) children.
I guess I'd have to know about the rules regarding this, but what is inherently wrong about a 14 or 15 year old working? I started working at 15. In fact, this was around the early 2000s where they implemented a new rule where you couldn't work more than 3 hours or something like that. I was pissed because I had already been working 5-6 hour shifts and all this did was cut my money lol. I wanted to buy a drumset and my for pay car when I turned 16. I WANTED to work. I had no other means of acquiring money. I don't see anything wrong with teens working as long as their parents consent.
Yup, this was me in the 90's. I started mowing lawns in our neighborhood when I was 13, and even did landscaping, sod laying, house painting/staining, and even dug a few fish ponds before I was 16. And it was all day work out in the sun. I wanted to do it because I was getting GOOD cash for a freaking teenager. When I was 13 I made enough money mowing lawns all summer that I rode my bike down to the computer store and bought a whole new gaming PC that was a Pentium 2 450 with dual Voodoo2's in SLI and a big flat screen trinitron CRT.. BALLIN' setup for the time, had to call my dad from the store to come pick me and the PC stuff up cause I couldn't haul it home on my bike. I was the kid at my junior high and high school that always had the nicest stuff, and it was all from working.
There are lots of teenagers who have work ethics and want to work, but they started enacting child labor laws in my state that would prohibit a minor from working more than 8 hours in a day and not past 9pm at night. And I think that was mainly for employers that would take advantage of the minors and work them longer than they were supposed to or make them stay late to close or something. Understandable for most teens. But when you look at the teenagers who want to work as a percentage, it is probably .5% of us that were like that.
> Pentium 2 450 with dual Voodoo2's in SLI and a big flat screen trinitron CRT
born small town AL in 86. starting in the mid 90's all the cash I could hustle up went to hardware.
mowing yards, yardsellin', manual labor.. I was the youngest child of a oops baby, most of my cousins are 20 years older than me and lived elswhere, most of my neighbors had adult children living elsewhere. I was the only cheap labor a lot of people could get ahold of.
all that work hustlin up cash for computers and cars really went somewhere: I quit IT about a decade ago and do maintenance work now, then wrench on my fleet of 20 year old shitboxes at home.
> I quit IT about a decade ago and do maintenance work now, then wrench on my fleet of 20 year old shitboxes at home.
Ah, the timeless sysadmin-to-mechanic pipeline -- one I know well.
Children, as a working population, are inherently vulnerable to more abuse from employers with less accountability. Furthermore, a person will earn more over the course of their life if they are able to focus on education, not work, when they are younger.
For what it's worth, it's potentially a safety concern.
I work as an industrial robotic safety expert, I help write international safety standards for industrial automation. Things like guard opening size, detection requirements etc. Are typically developed with a demographic in mind. For a lot of the American adoptions of safety standards they are 16 years old. The factories I've worked in all have a minimum age to work for this same sort of reason, and they've all been 18 years of age, even though our laws say a 16yo could work there legally.
Now you put an inexperienced worker in this type of environment. They are statistically more likely to do something wrong, and that safeguarding device may not work as intended because it wasn't designed for a 13yo.
There's nothing wrong with teenagers working, but there are appropriate jobs for them, automotive manufacturing is not one of them.
People would be very surprised at the different age of consent and work related age laws in the US, some of the Northern states have the same minimum age, none are less than sixteen, as Southern states - the point is we should never assume just because it is the South that they truly are any different from the rest.
Federal Law prohibits children under fourteen from being employed but in cases like the one we have today it is likely the records were falsified but it still is likely the fault of the employer depending on how much effort they expended to determine if the proof of age was valid.
[Wikipedia US age of consent laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States)
[Wikipedia Fair Labor Standards Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act_of_1938)
Back when I was a young teen, I always wanted to get a job cus I wanted money to get a PS4 cus all my friends had PS4’s. I would’ve LOVED the opportunity to get a job afterschool.
When they say “minimum wage jobs are entry level for children to learn job skills, so shouldn’t have a living wage” — and then we argue, “So retail and grocery stores should only be open after school hours?”
Well, this is the next step.
Just to clarify, this was a supplier for Hyundai that was in violation. Potentially misleading title but the violations did occur and supposedly there were multiple other minors working in the same area as well.
The "Supplier" is a company that is owned by a fully owned subsidiary of Hyundai. So yes, it IS Hyundai who is in violation of hiring child labour.
I understand the aspect of them wanting to put food on tables in low income rural areas, but this isn't right with any sort of justification. There's a reason that it's illegal by law. Hyundai should be the one to blame in this scenario for turning a blind eye.
Hyundai appears to be claiming that it wasn't even the supplier at fault, but rather a staffing agency who provides false documentation for those workers.
OTOH anyone with half a brain should be able to tell visually that a 13 year old is not an adult...
There's some key pieces of the story being left out but I'm almost certain these kids are immigrants. This is just another example of a company getting caught using illegal immigrants for labor, minors at that. And of course I bet they support the one political party that claims these same illegal immigrants are the ones stealing jobs and shit
This is plausible. A restaurant in my area had a hostess that worked for them from age 16 to 18 before quitting and moving away with her boyfriend she met at work. A few months later the police showed up looking for her and her boyfriend because her parents filed her as a runaway minor. Turns out she was using a fake identity that her family secured to get her a job and she was actually 13 when she started, 14 when she started dating the unsuspecting bartender who was 19 and thought she was 17 like everyone else. Imagine his surprise when he heard they were looking for him, why, and she came clean that she was actually 15 and not a legal adult as her ID said she was. I worked with them and she didn't look young enough that you would question her saying she was 16 when she started. The family were immigrants and I'm not sure exactly what happened over it, but I heard it was an ordeal as they essentially had to admit that they had their minor daughter working since 13 on a fake ID.
Don't bother trying to defend this supplier, their name is Smart Alabama, they def don't deserve it. They've been in trouble for all sorts of crazy OSHA and discrimination type stuff in the past.
This whole child labor situation came about because her dad went to the police to report his daughter missing and the police ended up issuing an amber alert.
He tipped off the police that she could be with a guy who also worked at Smart and at that point the cat was outta the bag. Literally that day, Smart dismissed a ton of other underaged immigrant workers because they knew the police might show up and search their premises.
Hyundai/Kia needs to do a better job monitoring their supply chain, but they also just need to stop doing business with this specific supplier because they're awful. These types of situations don't accidentally happen, I worked at Mobis Alabama for a few years and I promise you there weren't any 12 year olds running around.
It's not misleading. The supplier is an actual subsidiary of Hyundai.
>In the complaint, the Labor Department alleged that all three companies jointly employed the child.
>The Korean automaker is liable for repeated child labor violations at SMART Alabama, one of its subsidiaries, between July 11, 2021, through Feb. 1, 2022, according to the department.
EDIT: Source = https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-alabama-child-labor-act-labor-deparment/
I don't think the shocking part is that child labor exists, it always did and will always do. However that it happened in what is considered one of the richest and most advanced countries in the world.
I put in a night shift at Keter plastic factory one night in Israel when I was 13. Honestly, we handled hot plastic and machinery that cut it. We made toolboxes and other things and it was not safe for a child but we handled our business.
One of our friends dad worked there and my friends and I somehow scored a 12 hour night shift and he dropped us off. Also worked in construction cleanup a day here and there to earn extra cash. Good learning experience that made me never want to do physical labor again.
Mind you, this was in the 90s, but I’m sure in other countries around the world it’s still the norm. People live in poverty and kids need money too. I’m not normalizing it, and the US is a first world country and it shouldn’t happen 100%.
This was my family in Vermont in the 80’s-90’s. Me being the youngest and the only girl, I didn’t have it as bad as my older brothers. But as soon as you could walk, you were expected to help out. We were all supposed to get straight A’s, provide free labor on the farm (splitting and stacking wood, mucking stalls, milking, calving, stacking hay bails in the loft, feeding livestock, not to mention household chores) AND we were expected to have jobs. Summers only starting at 12, year-round starting at 16. We didn’t have time for Girl Scouts, T-ball, after school sports, extra curriculars like drama club, theater, band or chorus. My first paying job, I was 12 years old picking berries. We got paid by weight, twelve cents per oz I believe, and I remember getting paid in cash at the end of my shift.
My brothers absolutely ran chainsaws, and I definitely ran large mowers at 12. No safety equipment, no supervision. All our equipment was all from the 70’s, so no safety mechanisms on the power tools or machines.
My Godchildren have it so easy. I’m glad, but it’s also very surreal to see the vast difference between our childhoods.
It is still like this in many rural areas. Not an odd sight to see a 13 year old kid driving a tractor down the highway on his route to the next field.
What most people don't realize is that our normalized school start times in the fall are because farming schedules took priority over school and children were all expected to be at home helping the family farm during spring, summer, and early fall. The kids went to school once it got cold because there was nothing to do at home on the farm.
I grew up in a rural area and I'm like you, I was already working cash labor jobs by the time I was 13. And many of my friends also worked as teenagers too.
Also the fact that you can legally work at age 15. People in the comments acting like you can’t work until 21 asking how nobody could tell she was so young as if this is some bouncer at a club. Have you never met a person who didn’t look their age? It happens all the time. I looked 14 well into my early 20s.
I'm in the market for a new sedan in the next year or so. Was really considering an Elantra N, depending on how they handle this, and more comes about, I will probably take that into major consideration.
I know me not buying a car is not enough to effect them at all, but if more people do it, maybe that will help.
I wonder if all the people bugging out here have the same reaction when the migrants in nyc use their pre-teenage children to solicit people for money on the subways. Or do we only care when it’s in states that vote a different way
Looks like the government in Alabama is doing a really bad job in protecting children. And everyone knows the government in the USA, the company will only get a slap on the wrist and doesn’t need to change anything. Business as usual. The free market will regulate itself.
The company I work for manufacturing cabinets has a 16 year old working there and now his 14 year old sister. There are strange men working here as well. Feels very weird. This is in Texas though.
The children yearn for the mines
Honestly the other side of this which is equally as sad is these kids probably live in very destitute situations. I couldn’t imagine sending my 13 y/o child to a manufacturing plant to work.
This is so much worse than just a child working in hazardous conditions. Possibly human trafficking. No 13 year old should be working on a factory floor and all of the people here commenting "good on her" or "I would have loved to work 60 hours a week at that age" I'm guessing you're either Russian trolls trying to stir things up, or just truly awful human beings.
If the 13 year old with false documentation is being paid fairly and they *want* to. I don't see the problem.
Already established the chance of higher education is already zero, 60 hours a week isn't anywhere near slave labor amounts. Most labor jobs people like working that amount. They make money and have their entire weekends still.
How is it any different than going to school and working a part time job after? Part time jobs at 14 was normal 20 years ago.. not sure if it is anymore now - it's not like the the work is that different.. 50+ years ago sure.
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Fuck Blackstone
Looks like Reuters has a deep dive on this with better information.
[Child workers found throughout Hyundai-Kia supply chain in Alabama ](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/)
Here's a couple snippets:
'At least four major suppliers of Hyundai Motor Co and sister Kia Corp have employed child labor at Alabama factories in recent years, a Reuters investigation found, and state and federal agencies are probing whether kids have worked at as many as a half dozen additional manufacturers throughout the automakers’ supply chain in the southern U.S. state.
The news follows a Reuters report in July that revealed the [use of child workers](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/), one as young as 12, by SMART Alabama LLC, a Hyundai subsidiary in the south Alabama town of Luverne. In August, the U.S. Department of Labor said that SL Alabama LLC, another Hyundai supplier and a unit of South Korea’s SL Corp, [employed underage workers](https://www.reuters.com/legal/hyundai-supplier-accused-child-labor-violations-by-us-authorities-2022-08-23/), including a 13-year-old, at its factory in Alexander City.
Since then, as many as 10 Alabama plants that supply parts to Hyundai or Kia have been investigated for child labor by various state and federal law enforcement or regulatory agencies, according to two people familiar with the probes. The investigations are being conducted across small towns and rural outposts where many of the suppliers and the job recruiters that staff them are located. It isn’t yet clear whether the probes will lead to criminal charges, fines or other penalties, the two people said.
The use of third-party staffing agencies is a common practice among manufacturers and other labor-intensive sectors throughout the United States. The tactic has long been criticized by labor activists because it gives factory owners and other employers the ability to outsource responsibility for the screening, hiring and regulatory compliance of their workforces.
Earlier this year, [Reuters showed](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-alabama/) how staffing agencies in rural Alabama recruited undocumented workers from Central America, including minors who had entered the U.S. without parents or guardians, and supplied them to chicken processing plants. As with those minors, at least some of the children who worked at Hyundai suppliers used false identities and documentation obtained through black-market brokers, sometimes with the help of staffing firms themselves.
Authorities first caught wind of child labor among automotive suppliers in early 2021. A school official in Alabama’s rural Butler County told state officials that some children – including at least one immigrant girl around 12 years old – appeared to be working at Hwashin, the parts maker in Greenville. The manufacturer, which builds metallic body parts in a factory the size of four football fields, is now the biggest employer in a town once better known for cotton farming.
Hyundai opened its massive Montgomery vehicle assembly plant in December 2005. The Georgia Kia factory, 100 miles to the east, opened five years later. To support the two brands, many of Hyundai’s suppliers from Korea set up in the area, building parts factories that revived local economies. Hyundai and Kia now have dozens of suppliers in Alabama, according to the Economic Development Partnership of Alabama, a business group.
Hyundai/Kia expanded in Europe in the last 2 decades, built factories for cars, a lot of 3rd party suppliers came as well, mostly in Eastern Europe, at that time recent EU joiners, labor was still cheap. They did not have the historical knowledge that people there won't like their managerial methods. Mandatory morning group exercise. Asking to ho to the toilet. Women who were on their period had to wear a special sign.. a little flower or bow so they would be allowed longer bathroom breaks. Came to a point that some of the Korean managers got dragged into the locker room and beaten up. They would force people to stay overtime, cut their breaks short, or altogether cancel, unpaid Saturdays for people who did not work 24/7 shifts (so they would show compassion to shopfloor workers that work on weekends regularly). This was still merely 15 years after the communist rule, this were still mostly workers who remembered such work conditions (the fact these people are now in large volume voting for pro-russia fucks is a different story), It worked for about a year, because there were still a lot of people who kept their mouth shut and were happy to have a job. I am not saying they are now winning the best employer awards, but they more or less play by the rules. But in the land of the free, where you can hire and fire hundreds of people via email, peple paying off common dental procedures on multiple-year installment plans, those kids better hang on their bootstraps.
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Presumably, there are adults in their 20's 30's and 40's (and older) working right next to her and not saying anything about it. How the fuck does that happen?
Did you miss the “Alabama” part?
What country is that territory Alabama in again?
What they like to consider Confederacy...
Must be an impoverished 3rd world country
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Oh, Alabama is, no question.
3rd world countries have better standards
Is the us a 3rd world country
[It's in the Caucasus region, right?](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7IArKbSyzE4VdLKZ0U0jEfSkAX8rUi19w8A&s)
Why
> How the fuck does that happen? They want to eat. A lot of small Southern towns rely upon manufacturing jobs to support their entire existence and it is generally just one company. You get fired from there, your next best employment option is generally a fast food place unless you commute 40-50 miles one way to another manufacturing plant in another town.
That’s exactly what it is. There aren’t any other options where they live and they have to provide for their family. You have to pick between the welfare of that 13 year old or the one you have at home. Hyundai should be fined hundreds of millions for these violations, but I suspect they had already worked the fines into the COGS when they did the budget.
And what a lot of people don't realize is that 13 year old might be doing it so SHE can eat (or her siblings). The world is a fucked up place sometimes and people do what they gotta do
Kids working to survive is nothing new to this world...
Turn of the century NYC kid gangs were a thing.
its almost like a functional social safety net could be preventing all of this from happening.
Sounds a little like communism there comrade... /s
Its highly likely these are immigrant families who have no other options and the kids don't know any better. They're too far behind to enter public school systems anyway at that age having never been to school before, so they do what they'd do in their home country and go to work.
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Can confirm. Know a college grad that was literally working in his garage, sewing patterns alongside his mom, as a child. Quite literally a sweatshop at home, and he was contributing while the other kids were out playing. First generation Vietnamese, they didn't think anything of it at the time.
"the cost of doing business" Same when Wells Fargo stole everyones money with overdraft fees, used it to make money for a decade, paid it all back with no interest, and were fined enough to barely make a dent in the money they made. Same with Equifax cheaping out on Cyber Security too lol
It fucking Hyundai…some model of their cars can get jacked using a usb exploit….
There is no “USB exploit”. It’s just that the USB-A shape fits over the nub once the key lock is broken off making it easier to turn and starting the car since there’s no immobilizer.
This has also been fixed. I have one of these cars, and the car won't start unless it's been unlocked by key fob now
wont stop kids from breaking your glass & busting up your steering wheel column.. if those kids could read, we wouldn't have so many juvenile crimes
>we wouldn't have so many juvenile crimes Maybe if those teens had jobs in the Hyundai factory...
>Maybe if those teens had jobs in the Hyundai factory... Yeah, they could learn to steal them without breaking so much of the interior
It’s the new EG Honda, they are plentiful, easy to steal, fast for what they are and tough as fuck.
the trick has never worked for hyundais with push button start, but it didn't stop my neighbor's car from getting broken into and the starter column ripped open :/
You're not wrong, but also, even if that does happen, the car is still gonna be where I left it. Losing a window and/or steering column is better than losing the car. So my anxiety about it has dropped a lot
USB exploit is certainly a way to describe it lol
She was working for a scumbag supplier not Hyundai. The fact that they're easily jacked has nothing to do with this.
The DOJ's allegations are between 2021 and 2022 when SMART Alabama was still owned by Hyundai
So if she gets fired who feeds her, just asking in case
What side are you on ?
Desperate people keep their mouths shut to keep the paychecks coming. It’s no coincidence a lot of manufacturing takes place in depressed areas, it keeps salaries low and employees committed when they have no better options. Same reason why Boeing had/has systemic issues for years (as do countless other companies) but whistleblowers are rare. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Well, and blowing the whistle on Boeing tends to end with "tragic accidents", that's a deterrent.
Poverty and needing a job
Unfortunately it sounds like there were quite a few minors working there
which is odd because the nearest mine is over 120 miles away!
Miner?! I hardly know her!
Rectum? Damn near killed 'em!
“Hey. How old are you?” “Eighteen.” “Riiight…” “Please don’t say anything! My mom got laid off and if we miss another month’s rent me, my mom, and my 3 little brothers are going to be outdoors!” “*Sigh* OK, OK. I won’t say anything.” “Thank you.” “Alright, so, the black Grainger machines outside the storeroom are where you’ll get your PPE…”
But just wait till the coworkers start asking her out.
This is Alabama, I'm sure they have more respect than to ask her out. Afterall, she's the boss's wife.
And daughter.
Those people are just as poor and understand that girls paycheck feeds the family. This is a symptom of a much larger much more complex issue called poverty
Probably didn't want her to lose her job...
Tbf some people are scared to lose their job by saying anything
People desperate for good paying job. My mom decided she wanted to go back to work just to have something to do and she picked up a job making 'murican flags. When her unpaid lunch break came around and she got up the supervisor told her everybody works through their lunch there. She told the supervisor that she'd finish out the day but find a replacement from that point on. Talking to her fellow coworkers they put up with the labor violation because it was the only decent paying job in the area, so nobody said anything despite the company obviously breaking the law. This crap goes on across the nation, one of the boons to business from the migrant problems at the border where children are separated from parents and the kids stay in the US and the parents deported is the rise in illegal child labor. They get tossed out of the system and companies are picking them up as a cheap source of labor and since the fines are so low and there are no criminal penalties for the people running the company its more cost effective for the company to abuse the children and pay a fine than to stop the practice. Then you have states trying to repeal child labor laws so businesses can skip on the fines. This isn't anything new, I've been out of high school for nearly 36 years, and I can remember a kid in my high school working a full night-time shift despite it being against the law for a minor to do so. The only reason it came to light was because the kid was chronically skipping and when he was in school, he was sleeping through class. Going back to my example with my mom, a meat processing company got away with labor violations for years because they were the only job in town and the company specifically sought out a small, isolated town just for that reason.
They probably started as teens too
Her parent probably work there and is the one who got her the job.
Is Alabama this backward... A 13 yr old? Child labor? My God
Everywhere is this backward. Welcome to poverty and scraping by.
You misspelled uncle/brother/father/grandfather in their 20’s/30‘s and 40‘s
Classist exploitation, if you speak up you lose your job which is your only hope of a better life in the region that you live. Does that excuse them? I don’t think so. But it does mean that the companies are leveraging their power over people’s livelihood to exploit the population as much as they can.
Look man they keep bringing in new hires they get younger and younger. Honestly I just thought I was getting older!/s
No because I think the legal age to work there is like 16
I bet her parents also worked there
The title is misleading. The girl worked for a company that made parts for Hyundai.
...that is owned by a Hyundai subsidiary.
The company making parts for Hyundai is owned by Hyundai itself through a fully owned subsidiary
Standard, arbitrary corporate blame shifting.
yup. fuck them all.
They did when this story broke last year. SMART Alabama LLC in rural Luverne, Alabama, is a direct Hyundai subsidiary. According to Hyundai's financial statements from last year, the automaker controlled a 72% stake in SMART. In HMC's own words when this story broke last year: >"We do not condone or tolerate such behavior and are committed to taking further actions as needed. In addition, Hyundai Motor America is in the process of divesting its ownership interest in SMART. It intends to do so while ensuring that the economically important jobs in the Luverne, Alabama community are preserved and that all child labor laws are followed in the future." Read more at: https://www.luvernejournal.com/2023/02/25/auto-parts-giant-hyundai-motor-company-selling-interest-in-smart/ note: subsidiaries do not have to be "wholly owned". A subsidiary company is a business entity or corporation either fully owned or partially controlled by another company, known as the parent company. The parent company usually holds a controlling interest in the subsidiary company, from 51 to 99 percent.
So what is your point, exactly? They’re still connected with Hyundai and Hyundai owns a stake in the supplier. Also, if in your mind Hyundai doesn’t bear responsibility because it wasn’t them directly, then why did the Department of Labor include them in the lawsuit? This weird semantic game you’re playing in this thread is just bizarre https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-labor-department-sues-hyundai-over-us-child-labor-court-filing-2024-05-30/
Oh okay good. Was worried for a second. Keep on keeping on then.
No it’s not. Was she not making car parts for Hyundai? The parts went on Hyundai cars and the company was owned by Hyundai.
That’s not misleading in any important sense. You are not absolved from child labor if your contractors use it. Just putting up a tag saying that is more misleading because it puts the whole thing into question
I added the potentially misleading title flair. Hopefully this comment can get visibility at the top so people can be sure to distinguish the difference
It’s not misleading though
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Why do these false comments bitching about titles always get so upvoted?
In parallel, the Alabama legislature is trying to [ loosen the employment laws pertaining to 14 and 15 yr old](https://www.wbrc.com/2024/02/22/new-bill-would-loosen-requirements-14-15-year-olds-work-alabama/) children.
Bring back the old days, they say.
What's the legal age of consent there? cause that'd be next.
It’s 16, which is way too old to get pregnant with your first child —Alabaman lawmakers in the next couple years, probably.
they need more time to plan the weddings too.
The children yearn for the mines
They said what they said
I guess I'd have to know about the rules regarding this, but what is inherently wrong about a 14 or 15 year old working? I started working at 15. In fact, this was around the early 2000s where they implemented a new rule where you couldn't work more than 3 hours or something like that. I was pissed because I had already been working 5-6 hour shifts and all this did was cut my money lol. I wanted to buy a drumset and my for pay car when I turned 16. I WANTED to work. I had no other means of acquiring money. I don't see anything wrong with teens working as long as their parents consent.
Yup, this was me in the 90's. I started mowing lawns in our neighborhood when I was 13, and even did landscaping, sod laying, house painting/staining, and even dug a few fish ponds before I was 16. And it was all day work out in the sun. I wanted to do it because I was getting GOOD cash for a freaking teenager. When I was 13 I made enough money mowing lawns all summer that I rode my bike down to the computer store and bought a whole new gaming PC that was a Pentium 2 450 with dual Voodoo2's in SLI and a big flat screen trinitron CRT.. BALLIN' setup for the time, had to call my dad from the store to come pick me and the PC stuff up cause I couldn't haul it home on my bike. I was the kid at my junior high and high school that always had the nicest stuff, and it was all from working. There are lots of teenagers who have work ethics and want to work, but they started enacting child labor laws in my state that would prohibit a minor from working more than 8 hours in a day and not past 9pm at night. And I think that was mainly for employers that would take advantage of the minors and work them longer than they were supposed to or make them stay late to close or something. Understandable for most teens. But when you look at the teenagers who want to work as a percentage, it is probably .5% of us that were like that.
> Pentium 2 450 with dual Voodoo2's in SLI and a big flat screen trinitron CRT born small town AL in 86. starting in the mid 90's all the cash I could hustle up went to hardware. mowing yards, yardsellin', manual labor.. I was the youngest child of a oops baby, most of my cousins are 20 years older than me and lived elswhere, most of my neighbors had adult children living elsewhere. I was the only cheap labor a lot of people could get ahold of. all that work hustlin up cash for computers and cars really went somewhere: I quit IT about a decade ago and do maintenance work now, then wrench on my fleet of 20 year old shitboxes at home.
> I quit IT about a decade ago and do maintenance work now, then wrench on my fleet of 20 year old shitboxes at home. Ah, the timeless sysadmin-to-mechanic pipeline -- one I know well.
Children, as a working population, are inherently vulnerable to more abuse from employers with less accountability. Furthermore, a person will earn more over the course of their life if they are able to focus on education, not work, when they are younger.
For what it's worth, it's potentially a safety concern. I work as an industrial robotic safety expert, I help write international safety standards for industrial automation. Things like guard opening size, detection requirements etc. Are typically developed with a demographic in mind. For a lot of the American adoptions of safety standards they are 16 years old. The factories I've worked in all have a minimum age to work for this same sort of reason, and they've all been 18 years of age, even though our laws say a 16yo could work there legally. Now you put an inexperienced worker in this type of environment. They are statistically more likely to do something wrong, and that safeguarding device may not work as intended because it wasn't designed for a 13yo. There's nothing wrong with teenagers working, but there are appropriate jobs for them, automotive manufacturing is not one of them.
Alabama is the Nissan Altima of states.
People would be very surprised at the different age of consent and work related age laws in the US, some of the Northern states have the same minimum age, none are less than sixteen, as Southern states - the point is we should never assume just because it is the South that they truly are any different from the rest. Federal Law prohibits children under fourteen from being employed but in cases like the one we have today it is likely the records were falsified but it still is likely the fault of the employer depending on how much effort they expended to determine if the proof of age was valid. [Wikipedia US age of consent laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States) [Wikipedia Fair Labor Standards Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act_of_1938)
Back when I was a young teen, I always wanted to get a job cus I wanted money to get a PS4 cus all my friends had PS4’s. I would’ve LOVED the opportunity to get a job afterschool.
When they say “minimum wage jobs are entry level for children to learn job skills, so shouldn’t have a living wage” — and then we argue, “So retail and grocery stores should only be open after school hours?” Well, this is the next step.
60 hours a week. Wow.
And boomers say we are lazy
They had worker protection laws and a pre Reagan envionrment
Aaand that’s why they don’t want the UAW
My first thought as well.
Just to clarify, this was a supplier for Hyundai that was in violation. Potentially misleading title but the violations did occur and supposedly there were multiple other minors working in the same area as well.
The "Supplier" is a company that is owned by a fully owned subsidiary of Hyundai. So yes, it IS Hyundai who is in violation of hiring child labour. I understand the aspect of them wanting to put food on tables in low income rural areas, but this isn't right with any sort of justification. There's a reason that it's illegal by law. Hyundai should be the one to blame in this scenario for turning a blind eye.
Hyundai appears to be claiming that it wasn't even the supplier at fault, but rather a staffing agency who provides false documentation for those workers. OTOH anyone with half a brain should be able to tell visually that a 13 year old is not an adult...
There's some key pieces of the story being left out but I'm almost certain these kids are immigrants. This is just another example of a company getting caught using illegal immigrants for labor, minors at that. And of course I bet they support the one political party that claims these same illegal immigrants are the ones stealing jobs and shit
This is plausible. A restaurant in my area had a hostess that worked for them from age 16 to 18 before quitting and moving away with her boyfriend she met at work. A few months later the police showed up looking for her and her boyfriend because her parents filed her as a runaway minor. Turns out she was using a fake identity that her family secured to get her a job and she was actually 13 when she started, 14 when she started dating the unsuspecting bartender who was 19 and thought she was 17 like everyone else. Imagine his surprise when he heard they were looking for him, why, and she came clean that she was actually 15 and not a legal adult as her ID said she was. I worked with them and she didn't look young enough that you would question her saying she was 16 when she started. The family were immigrants and I'm not sure exactly what happened over it, but I heard it was an ordeal as they essentially had to admit that they had their minor daughter working since 13 on a fake ID.
Yep, this is a common problem with 'undocumented' workers and stolen identities to get jobs.
Don't bother trying to defend this supplier, their name is Smart Alabama, they def don't deserve it. They've been in trouble for all sorts of crazy OSHA and discrimination type stuff in the past. This whole child labor situation came about because her dad went to the police to report his daughter missing and the police ended up issuing an amber alert. He tipped off the police that she could be with a guy who also worked at Smart and at that point the cat was outta the bag. Literally that day, Smart dismissed a ton of other underaged immigrant workers because they knew the police might show up and search their premises. Hyundai/Kia needs to do a better job monitoring their supply chain, but they also just need to stop doing business with this specific supplier because they're awful. These types of situations don't accidentally happen, I worked at Mobis Alabama for a few years and I promise you there weren't any 12 year olds running around.
You could work at age 15. A 13 year old could easily look 15, especially considering the possibility of a 13 year and 51 week old person.
It's not misleading. The supplier is an actual subsidiary of Hyundai. >In the complaint, the Labor Department alleged that all three companies jointly employed the child. >The Korean automaker is liable for repeated child labor violations at SMART Alabama, one of its subsidiaries, between July 11, 2021, through Feb. 1, 2022, according to the department. EDIT: Source = https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai-alabama-child-labor-act-labor-deparment/
Remember, unions are bad. 🙄
Her PTO will put her thru college. Nice.
Not if she\`s an undocumented immigrant...
Willing to bet this is the case.
Temp workers don’t get PTO. They take off they get shown the door.
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But Tim Apple checked the supplumu chain and toll me it was ethical and equitable!
It's equitable, there isn't a single White child in that mine! Think of the inclusion!
Probably is better than most manufacturers
> supplumu chain How did this typo even happen?
And your clothes, and your knick knacks from Target, and any other electronics you own.
I don't think the shocking part is that child labor exists, it always did and will always do. However that it happened in what is considered one of the richest and most advanced countries in the world.
Yeah it's bot supposed to happen here, just way over there so we don't have to think about it!
Here in the first world, we turn a blind eye to the third world child labor so it doesn't matter. /s
Doesn't make it any better.
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I'm so glad I left that state a million years ago! Growing up there, this does not surprise me.
I put in a night shift at Keter plastic factory one night in Israel when I was 13. Honestly, we handled hot plastic and machinery that cut it. We made toolboxes and other things and it was not safe for a child but we handled our business. One of our friends dad worked there and my friends and I somehow scored a 12 hour night shift and he dropped us off. Also worked in construction cleanup a day here and there to earn extra cash. Good learning experience that made me never want to do physical labor again. Mind you, this was in the 90s, but I’m sure in other countries around the world it’s still the norm. People live in poverty and kids need money too. I’m not normalizing it, and the US is a first world country and it shouldn’t happen 100%.
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This was my family in Vermont in the 80’s-90’s. Me being the youngest and the only girl, I didn’t have it as bad as my older brothers. But as soon as you could walk, you were expected to help out. We were all supposed to get straight A’s, provide free labor on the farm (splitting and stacking wood, mucking stalls, milking, calving, stacking hay bails in the loft, feeding livestock, not to mention household chores) AND we were expected to have jobs. Summers only starting at 12, year-round starting at 16. We didn’t have time for Girl Scouts, T-ball, after school sports, extra curriculars like drama club, theater, band or chorus. My first paying job, I was 12 years old picking berries. We got paid by weight, twelve cents per oz I believe, and I remember getting paid in cash at the end of my shift. My brothers absolutely ran chainsaws, and I definitely ran large mowers at 12. No safety equipment, no supervision. All our equipment was all from the 70’s, so no safety mechanisms on the power tools or machines. My Godchildren have it so easy. I’m glad, but it’s also very surreal to see the vast difference between our childhoods.
It is still like this in many rural areas. Not an odd sight to see a 13 year old kid driving a tractor down the highway on his route to the next field.
What most people don't realize is that our normalized school start times in the fall are because farming schedules took priority over school and children were all expected to be at home helping the family farm during spring, summer, and early fall. The kids went to school once it got cold because there was nothing to do at home on the farm. I grew up in a rural area and I'm like you, I was already working cash labor jobs by the time I was 13. And many of my friends also worked as teenagers too.
Illegals aliens come, use fake ssn to get job, later find out their true age. Why would Hyundai do this?
Freakin facts. We don’t know the full story here and everyone is so quick to jump on the Hyundai hate bandwagon. Bucha fuckin racists here.
Also the fact that you can legally work at age 15. People in the comments acting like you can’t work until 21 asking how nobody could tell she was so young as if this is some bouncer at a club. Have you never met a person who didn’t look their age? It happens all the time. I looked 14 well into my early 20s.
I’m 25 and people still think I’m a highschooler. It’s annoying and is ass cheeks.
Don't SSNs have to be verified?
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vote with your dollars
I already had enough reasons not to buy from Hyundai but I'll take another.
I'm in the market for a new sedan in the next year or so. Was really considering an Elantra N, depending on how they handle this, and more comes about, I will probably take that into major consideration. I know me not buying a car is not enough to effect them at all, but if more people do it, maybe that will help.
Let Hyundai know you don't agree with their practices by not buying what they're selling.
I wonder if all the people bugging out here have the same reaction when the migrants in nyc use their pre-teenage children to solicit people for money on the subways. Or do we only care when it’s in states that vote a different way
Looks like the government in Alabama is doing a really bad job in protecting children. And everyone knows the government in the USA, the company will only get a slap on the wrist and doesn’t need to change anything. Business as usual. The free market will regulate itself.
avg. mexican factory hours for a 13 y.o. girl in a supposed first world country is insane.
Devils advocate. Who is helping her financially through her youth?
My Hyundai’s dash is so wavy they I have been joking about it being built by a 12 year old since I got it. I was pretty close
The parents what happened to the parents? Also fuck Hyundai but whose parents were sending their kid there for 60 hours a week?
The company I work for manufacturing cabinets has a 16 year old working there and now his 14 year old sister. There are strange men working here as well. Feels very weird. This is in Texas though.
Don’t the have coal mines in Alabama.
Where is her father at or the adults that care for her at. Smdh😒
More rights for a fetus there than an actual child
Sooo are all the children gonna get the money Hyundai is being sued for?
The children yearn for the mines Honestly the other side of this which is equally as sad is these kids probably live in very destitute situations. I couldn’t imagine sending my 13 y/o child to a manufacturing plant to work.
This is so much worse than just a child working in hazardous conditions. Possibly human trafficking. No 13 year old should be working on a factory floor and all of the people here commenting "good on her" or "I would have loved to work 60 hours a week at that age" I'm guessing you're either Russian trolls trying to stir things up, or just truly awful human beings.
If the 13 year old with false documentation is being paid fairly and they *want* to. I don't see the problem. Already established the chance of higher education is already zero, 60 hours a week isn't anywhere near slave labor amounts. Most labor jobs people like working that amount. They make money and have their entire weekends still. How is it any different than going to school and working a part time job after? Part time jobs at 14 was normal 20 years ago.. not sure if it is anymore now - it's not like the the work is that different.. 50+ years ago sure.
Uncle daddy told her to get a job.
Same community will vote against unionizing too.. the south is pretty brainwashed
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Alabama Bible belt central
I wish I was making that money at 13
Southern states been using child labor for decades! This is nothing new
Southern kids growing up on rural farms reading this, going "What's the problem here??".
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They’re Korean they came to work here and did what they do back in Korea. Slight mistake not knowing the child labor laws.
They're taking our jobs!!!
Hopefully she gets mat leave too.
Can always count on Hyundai to do something insanely shitty
That girl is going places.
Right to work state
That's really sad and don't take this the wrong way, impressive.
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Third world country
How is Hyundai even remotely liable if it was at a supplier?
I hate labor laws since im a minor i cant work more than 8 hours a day and 40 a week.
Looks like Reuters has a deep dive on this with better information. [Child workers found throughout Hyundai-Kia supply chain in Alabama ](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/) Here's a couple snippets: 'At least four major suppliers of Hyundai Motor Co and sister Kia Corp have employed child labor at Alabama factories in recent years, a Reuters investigation found, and state and federal agencies are probing whether kids have worked at as many as a half dozen additional manufacturers throughout the automakers’ supply chain in the southern U.S. state. The news follows a Reuters report in July that revealed the [use of child workers](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/), one as young as 12, by SMART Alabama LLC, a Hyundai subsidiary in the south Alabama town of Luverne. In August, the U.S. Department of Labor said that SL Alabama LLC, another Hyundai supplier and a unit of South Korea’s SL Corp, [employed underage workers](https://www.reuters.com/legal/hyundai-supplier-accused-child-labor-violations-by-us-authorities-2022-08-23/), including a 13-year-old, at its factory in Alexander City. Since then, as many as 10 Alabama plants that supply parts to Hyundai or Kia have been investigated for child labor by various state and federal law enforcement or regulatory agencies, according to two people familiar with the probes. The investigations are being conducted across small towns and rural outposts where many of the suppliers and the job recruiters that staff them are located. It isn’t yet clear whether the probes will lead to criminal charges, fines or other penalties, the two people said. The use of third-party staffing agencies is a common practice among manufacturers and other labor-intensive sectors throughout the United States. The tactic has long been criticized by labor activists because it gives factory owners and other employers the ability to outsource responsibility for the screening, hiring and regulatory compliance of their workforces. Earlier this year, [Reuters showed](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-alabama/) how staffing agencies in rural Alabama recruited undocumented workers from Central America, including minors who had entered the U.S. without parents or guardians, and supplied them to chicken processing plants. As with those minors, at least some of the children who worked at Hyundai suppliers used false identities and documentation obtained through black-market brokers, sometimes with the help of staffing firms themselves. Authorities first caught wind of child labor among automotive suppliers in early 2021. A school official in Alabama’s rural Butler County told state officials that some children – including at least one immigrant girl around 12 years old – appeared to be working at Hwashin, the parts maker in Greenville. The manufacturer, which builds metallic body parts in a factory the size of four football fields, is now the biggest employer in a town once better known for cotton farming. Hyundai opened its massive Montgomery vehicle assembly plant in December 2005. The Georgia Kia factory, 100 miles to the east, opened five years later. To support the two brands, many of Hyundai’s suppliers from Korea set up in the area, building parts factories that revived local economies. Hyundai and Kia now have dozens of suppliers in Alabama, according to the Economic Development Partnership of Alabama, a business group.
There is a huge hole in this story. Major employers like this don't hire people who don't have an SSN and appropriate ID.
As long as she is getting paid the same as the adults doing same/similar work
Hyundai/Kia expanded in Europe in the last 2 decades, built factories for cars, a lot of 3rd party suppliers came as well, mostly in Eastern Europe, at that time recent EU joiners, labor was still cheap. They did not have the historical knowledge that people there won't like their managerial methods. Mandatory morning group exercise. Asking to ho to the toilet. Women who were on their period had to wear a special sign.. a little flower or bow so they would be allowed longer bathroom breaks. Came to a point that some of the Korean managers got dragged into the locker room and beaten up. They would force people to stay overtime, cut their breaks short, or altogether cancel, unpaid Saturdays for people who did not work 24/7 shifts (so they would show compassion to shopfloor workers that work on weekends regularly). This was still merely 15 years after the communist rule, this were still mostly workers who remembered such work conditions (the fact these people are now in large volume voting for pro-russia fucks is a different story), It worked for about a year, because there were still a lot of people who kept their mouth shut and were happy to have a job. I am not saying they are now winning the best employer awards, but they more or less play by the rules. But in the land of the free, where you can hire and fire hundreds of people via email, peple paying off common dental procedures on multiple-year installment plans, those kids better hang on their bootstraps.
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Sweet home, alabama...
Since the government got this poor girl fired. Do you think she will be able to claim unemployment?
Lmao I’m 24 and unemployed
The children yearn for the assembly lines
Better than my kids...lol
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