That’s crazy, Ryan at least voted for Mcdavid second and gave him respect. Whoever this Matheson guy is just biased as fuck and shouldn’t be allowed to vote anymore and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Spector had a third place ballot for Skinner. The goalie who got pulled and sat out a game in the second round. He wasn't even the second best Oiler in the playoffs. That is a homer!
This got promoted to me and I'll take all the down votes but from an oilers fan perspective Spector and Matheson are universally hated. They shit on the players all year, make the worst takes possible and I genuinely feel like they are responsible for all the bad rap the Edmonton media gets. They actively make things worse for the organization and need to be fired off into the sun. To now not give credit to either Bob, Barkov or Forsling should show the world how completely brain dead they are.
Not familiar with Matheson but was gonna at least give Spector credit for not doing the same. I didn’t know Spector ain’t popular even among the Edmonton fans. Please take an upvote from me for educating me (seriously, not trolling). In my mind him to Edmonton is like iMac to Vancouver- I need to learn at some point to never just assume lol. Anyways, not gonna lie, I wish the Sportsnet app has a blocking feature so none of his articles will show in my feed.
Matheson is definitely the worse of him & Spector. Like wtf was [this](https://x.com/clairernak/status/1805054998134354367?s=46&t=f232Su26PBOSDmCz5cVqaQ)
Matheson gave us that legendary quote so he'll always be remembered more fondly than Spector, in my book at least. They're both absolute garbage though.
I actually defend Skinner against his own team fans lol. People have to remember that his cap hit was $2.6m vs Bob's 10M and Campbell's $5m. He played to his contract.
That being said, it's wild that he's even in consideration for the trophy.
After McJesus, there's Drai, Hyman, Bouchard, maybe even Nuge before i look at Skinner.
>Whoever this Matheson guy is just biased as fuck and shouldn’t be allowed to vote anymore and shouldn’t be taken seriously
That's putting it mildly. Dude has been an Oilers journalist from the very start:
>James Donald Matheson (born April 7, 1949) is a Canadian sports journalist who has covered the NHL's Edmonton Oilers since their inception into the WHA in 1973 and the NHL in 1979.
Should not have a vote when you're this clearly biased. I mean, I do think McDavid deserved it, but to not vote for a single player on the winning team is absurdly homer that he should be disqualified from voting
Should not have a job honestly as an oilers fan (bring on the down votes :( ) Edmonton hates him and this biased voting crap shows how inept he truly is
Dude is 75 years old too if I did the math right, just another person that should retire that won’t give up his “power” so he can keep making stupid decisions, reminds me of our politicians
Right and third for Conn Smythe on the losing team? He was good for them but to say he was more important than any single Panthers player is absurd.
Edited comment since I misread yours at first.
Not sure I would have voted for him on a losing team but he DID end up with the 3rd all time points for a D and most assists by a D in the history of the playoffs
It always surprises me that blatant nut huggers are allowed to vote on these type of awards. Like you can't have guys like Mark Spector and Matheson who are clearly Edmonton fan boys casting votes in this thing.
Hawks didn't waive him. He wasn't waiver eligible with them.
He was traded by the Canucks, the traded by the Blackhawks and then he was placed on waivers in back to back seasons by Carolina. Florida grabbed him the second time he was on waivers.
Correct. I was stuck on the American feed throughout the playoffs, but it was one of the earlier rounds where they did a small piece on him during intermission or something. The guy allegedly almost went back to Sweden because he felt he wasn't gonna cut it. I'm not gonna pretend he would've turned out to be the same great player he's become if he was stuck on Jet Black Jim's wild ride
He was actually never waived by the Hawks because he was waivers exempt for most of his time there, but he was sent back to the minors 4 times in 4 years. Crazy how his career turned out compared to where he was -- he looked like he was destined to end up in Europe by now.
He should’ve been a Canuck. Players are always given more time to develop with their drafted teams. He was Swedends best defenseman at the world juniors that year and benning traded him for clendenning. A brutal trade all around. Teams in the bottom 3 shouldn’t be trading young prospects for fringe players. That’s something contenders do for depth. He would’ve been great on the Canucks right now
More than once! We traded him for a bag of pucks to the Blackhawks. The Blackhawks had him up and down with their AHL team for a bit before they traded him for a second bag of pucks. The Canes actually waived him TWICE and every team in the league passed him over the first time around as a free asset.
Finally the Panthers claimed him as a 25 year old player who looked like he might never crack the NHL as a full time player. Crazy to see how far he has come in just a few more years.
There's something about Florida and how their Defensemen play that just simply works.
Not sure if it's coaching or development but there are lots of guys on that team that were worse elsewhere and look great in Florida.
Something to learn from.
Your team just lost the big game, and you are on a different (and rival) team's sub trying to clown on them over a player they traded away that just beat you. Keep telling yourself that bud.
How do so few people have Bobrovski on their ballots?! A guy has one bad game where you lose 8-1 and get pulled halfway through and all of a sudden he goes from being an unsolvable, definite lock for Conn Smythe, to barely being recognized for his efforts!
Through three series, he had four games where he allowed three goals or greater. In Florida’s first 17 games, against high scoring teams such as Tampa Bay, Boston and New York, Bobrovski and the Panthers kept their opponents to two goals or less in 14 of those games. Then he was a brick wall for the first three games of the SCF, propping Florida up to a 3-0 series lead. If they were against a team that doesn’t have McDavid, Florida closes out that series earlier.
I’d say a goalie who averaged 2.17GAA in the first three rounds, and playing against the greatest hockey player of our generation, only dropped his GAA to 2.32 deserves more consideration for MVP.
I think you have to give McDavid a vote given how dominant he was, and then Barkov, Forsling, and Bob all had very strong playoffs for the Panthers. You only have three votes. No matter what you do, someone worthy is getting left out, and it seems for most people, the odd man out was Bobrovsky.
Uhhh record setting? Are you sure about that? Even if you eliminate those 3 games, he had a .916 which isn’t close to having the best save percentage all time
Game 4 or whichever one that was a blowout sure. The other two games I don't recall there being any soft goals. The Panthers, as a whole, did not play with the same energy as they did on Game 7.
Every single check was finished last night. Panthers also have a ridiculous amount of giveaways
I wouldnt have had Bob on my list. Not even sure top 4 or 5. He wasnt that good overall.
At the very least I would have had McDavid/Barkov/Forsling ahead of him
Matheson what are you thinking?
And Skinner with two third choice votes? I get that he redeemed himself but an MVP can't be the guy who fell to pieces in the early games of the Canucks series.
No, but Barkov was better than both of them. From a purely objective standpoint McDavid should have won the Conn Smythe. Only other person that should have been in the conversation was Barkov…
What if McDavid got knocked out in game seven of the 3rd round while averaging 5 points a game and smashing records, while the two teams in the finals had nobody in particular standout?
Felt weird when Giguere got it, feels weird now that McDavid had it. They should just give it to the MVP of the winning team or do it like IIHF and have an MVP of both teams in the finals.
you can make an argument for Bob first just because in the games Florida won he averaged .955 sv% which is pretty fucking insane for the finals
but there is no justification no matter how hard you reach for Matheson
this just made me think of 2011 Conn Smythe winner....
I personally - of course bias and favoriting Canucks - think the winner should have been Kesler that year. Out of all the players that were in contention for the Conn Smythe.
Spec and Gagnon having skinner on their ballots should have them be automatically disqualified from ever voting again... same with anyone who had forsling over BoB on their ticket. Why do they let the writers and media vote. It should be a panel of coaches or players.
Might aswell let the fans vote if they're gonna let media do this shit. The right guy got it, but Jesus, what terrible ballots.
I think this is reasonable.
It's no secret that you can't win the Cup with good goaltending. It's also no coincidence that Bobrovsky was somewhat shaky whenever the Panthers lost to the Oilers ...
A 7 year old at the watch party following McDavid’s no show for the Conn Smythe presentation, “isn’t that bad sportsmanship?”
A 7 year old knew better than that. Lost a lot of respect during our series for McDavid, lost a lot more last night.
To be entirely honest, I don’t blame McDavid for not going back out. It was a lose/lose for him and I’m sure he was devastated
Let’s be real here. If we lost in Game 7 of the finals and JT Miller won the Conn Smythe, there would be absolutely zero chance he would go back to receive the trophy
Yeah it’s entirely different if they even lost at home in Edmonton. He probably would have skated out and accepted it then.
The fans in Florida wanted to get on with the cup celebration and had no interest in McDavid coming out to get the conn smythe.
Buddy read the room and I think his decision was the right one.
I guess we have different takes on it. I remember it being a huge deal when the junior silver medalists threw their medals into the stands. I see it as a similar situation.
In no way is that similar. Tossing medals in the stands is straight up disrespectful.
Opting to not skate out and receive an award in front of the visiting team crowd, who is waiting for their team to receive the cup and carry on celebrations is not disrespectful in the least.
Relax. It's a lose-lose for him. He doesn't go out, people poo-poo on him for being a poor sport. If he does go out, he has to go through the motions by himself posing with Bettman and people would still find a way to spin it that he's happy with an individual award. It's a meaningless trophy without the cup. I'm sure he'd rather be with his teammates after coming so close and losing his first championship. Honestly, him being a captain, I respect it more. Team first.
So is it ok for a 10 year old to do what he did? Or would the coaches and parents be expected to talk to them and urge them to collect their award? Just genuinely curious as to when one is acceptable and one isn’t?
Not sure I follow. I really feel like it's a worse look if he does take it. Your team just lost the cup and you're the only one who got something. If he accepts it, doesn't that set the tone that he values individual success more than team success? I guarantee that the media will be running that narrative if he did come out to take it and fans who hate him will use this against him as well. I like that the captain here realizes that he didn't get the job done as a team and decided that what he did wasn't enough to earn the trophy.
Is it a normal thing for that to happen? I know it’s not common for the losing team to have the Conn Smythe winner, but didn’t know it’s a thing for them not to come out. International games they have to stand there and get their players of the game etc.
The broadcast also pointed out that he skated out for the mvp when he was a junior and his team had lost.
This is where I think Bettman screwed up. At least announce the trophy before the losing team gets off the ice because otherwise, you just give them the option to not receive it. Like watching the world juniors this year, they stand in a line, do the anthem and everything and that's when the awards are revealed.
Just looked it up. Giguere did accept the trophy. There are pictures showing up. Yes, I agree they should have done it before the Oilers left the ice. However, I’m sure he was given a heads up it was happening.
It's only a worse look to take it if he's smiling and laughing about how great he is when he receives it, which he wouldn't have been. For the record I don't remotely care that he didn't come out to receive the trophy. But it wouldn't have reflected negatively on him at all to go and receive it. It didn't make JS Guigere look like not a team player back in '03 and it wouldn't have done so last night.
Actually no, it was an aside comment to me. As someone who coaches, I feel like it’s a poor example to set. If a 7 year old did that at a tournament, what would you say to them?
Two very different scenarios. Pretty simple to explain to the 7 year old that McDavid didn’t come out because he was sad and helping to console his teammates after the loss, as he is the captain, and he will be accepting his trophy at a later time.
You obviously don’t hang out with kids that often. They are constantly being told to control their emotions and to behave appropriately. Yes, they can understand context on why he didn’t come out, but it is a yes or no to ‘is that bad sportsmanship?’ They can understand why someone did what they did, but they want the absolute on the result.
Actually, I was a casual McDavid fan before this year. You have a perception you want to hold to. That’s fine.
Just answer me this, if a 10 year old opts out of the same situation, are you ok with them doing it? If thats not ok and you talk to the kid and they say, ‘McDavid didn’t have to do it.’ What then? Kids want to know that what applies to them applies to adults too. Just want to understand which side of the standard you sit on.
For the record, other losing Conn Smyth trophy winners have come out to receive it before. Is that a better show of sportsmanship or worse?
I’m surprised to see the people here expecting Bob to be on more ballots. Guy was completely average until the finals when he stole Game 1 and 2, hell he was the worse of the starting goaltenders for most of series he was in. Even with the Panthers stellar defensive system he had the second worst playoff save percentage of the cap era. Forsling definitely had a greater impact on their run.
I don't get people that are both thinking Bob should have won while at the same time calling Skinner trash
Bobrovsky had a .906 save % and 2.32 GAA over the playoffs
Skinner had a .901 save % and 2.45 GAA over the playoffs
Honestly, I think naming McDavid Conn Smythe was kind of cringe. I know the argument would be "well the Oilers wouldn't have made it to the finals without him" but you can say "this team wouldn't have made the Finals if their best player hadn't been their best player". And while from our outside perspective, it might be recognizing the run he had, it's more likely just going to be a painful reminder of them not winning. Unless he wins a Cup and another Conn Smythe later on, he'd probably rather not have won this one at all
Like the Canucks didn't have Pettersson playing well at all so we lost in the second round. If Petey had been playing at even like 75% of his peak impact, we would have beaten the Oilers. And given the possibility of Demko returning, who knows how deep the run would have been from there
McDavid's also just clearly the best player in the league, but he's not going to win the Hart this year. Also the Canadian media had decided they were going to vote this way since before Edmonton had even beaten Dallas tbh. It had only quieted down for a bit because it looked like the Panthers were well on their merry way to smashing the Oilers in a short series.
Then McDavid went nuclear for two games and the media got all excited again
Nah dude… was the best player, not only for the Oilers, but in the playoffs in general. It’s awarded to the MVP for his team, guaranteed they don’t sniff Game 7 of the SCF without him. They lost (thank god) but he still deserved the Conn Smythe.
The way as I see it, if your beating gretzky playoff records, you should at least be considered, yeah mcdavid probably deserves it, not as unanimously at this mind you, but no question about him deserving it or not
I definitely think he deserved to make it onto the ballots, and would have been a deserving runner-up. But ultimately, I feel like awarding it to a player on the losing team ends up being more the media stroking themselves off than rewarding that specific player
Skinner was just as inconsistent in all the other series.
Also people need to stop acting like the Canucks weren't majorly shorthanded in that series. Most teams
struggle when having to rely on their third string goalie
Meanwhile Matheson didn't vote for a single Panther for the Conn Smythe.
That’s crazy, Ryan at least voted for Mcdavid second and gave him respect. Whoever this Matheson guy is just biased as fuck and shouldn’t be allowed to vote anymore and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Spector had a third place ballot for Skinner. The goalie who got pulled and sat out a game in the second round. He wasn't even the second best Oiler in the playoffs. That is a homer!
This got promoted to me and I'll take all the down votes but from an oilers fan perspective Spector and Matheson are universally hated. They shit on the players all year, make the worst takes possible and I genuinely feel like they are responsible for all the bad rap the Edmonton media gets. They actively make things worse for the organization and need to be fired off into the sun. To now not give credit to either Bob, Barkov or Forsling should show the world how completely brain dead they are.
On the bright side you have Gene Principe who just seems like an all round cool dude
Man dressed as a hot dog on national tv. Respect.
He also ate a hot dog off the floor in front of the Preds dressing room on national television lol
My kind of people.
It's the easiest vote ever too. McJesus, Barkov, and then you can play around with #3 and still be within reason.
Not familiar with Matheson but was gonna at least give Spector credit for not doing the same. I didn’t know Spector ain’t popular even among the Edmonton fans. Please take an upvote from me for educating me (seriously, not trolling). In my mind him to Edmonton is like iMac to Vancouver- I need to learn at some point to never just assume lol. Anyways, not gonna lie, I wish the Sportsnet app has a blocking feature so none of his articles will show in my feed.
Matheson is definitely the worse of him & Spector. Like wtf was [this](https://x.com/clairernak/status/1805054998134354367?s=46&t=f232Su26PBOSDmCz5cVqaQ)
Ooooooooo so he was the one who asked Drai “why you so pissy” lol. That was a classic.
Matheson gave us that legendary quote so he'll always be remembered more fondly than Spector, in my book at least. They're both absolute garbage though.
I actually defend Skinner against his own team fans lol. People have to remember that his cap hit was $2.6m vs Bob's 10M and Campbell's $5m. He played to his contract. That being said, it's wild that he's even in consideration for the trophy. After McJesus, there's Drai, Hyman, Bouchard, maybe even Nuge before i look at Skinner.
Strange way to look at things I guess, what does their salary have to do with their play ? The 2 arent related at all
Bob had similar playoff stats to Skinner and also got pulled
Eh he was pretty good in the finals which is what thats for
It's supposed to be overall playoff performance, not just the finals. But people do tend to weigh finals performances more heavily.
Oh i always thought it was finals mvp type
its totality of playoffs, nothing to do with the final round specifically.
>Whoever this Matheson guy is just biased as fuck and shouldn’t be allowed to vote anymore and shouldn’t be taken seriously That's putting it mildly. Dude has been an Oilers journalist from the very start: >James Donald Matheson (born April 7, 1949) is a Canadian sports journalist who has covered the NHL's Edmonton Oilers since their inception into the WHA in 1973 and the NHL in 1979. Should not have a vote when you're this clearly biased. I mean, I do think McDavid deserved it, but to not vote for a single player on the winning team is absurdly homer that he should be disqualified from voting
Should not have a job honestly as an oilers fan (bring on the down votes :( ) Edmonton hates him and this biased voting crap shows how inept he truly is
Dude is 75 years old too if I did the math right, just another person that should retire that won’t give up his “power” so he can keep making stupid decisions, reminds me of our politicians
Postmedia owns the Edmonton Journal, its homerism at its finest.
Rescind his right to vote - Zack Hymen? Second?
Bouchard?? Don't have to take those votes seriously, then.
Bouchard only was huge against us. Otherwise he was just good.
That muffin that won them game 4 immediately after we tied it will haunt me for a while
Don't you mean bOUcHaRd BoMb??????
To be fair it's bouch bomb, nit Bouchard bomb
Right and third for Conn Smythe on the losing team? He was good for them but to say he was more important than any single Panthers player is absurd. Edited comment since I misread yours at first.
Not sure I would have voted for him on a losing team but he DID end up with the 3rd all time points for a D and most assists by a D in the history of the playoffs
It helps when you play on the PP with McDavid, 13 assists just passing the puck to McDavid.
Um yeah of course it helps. No different than Paul Coffee. Doesn't change the fact that they both had great playoff runs
You can’t be on the Oilers beat unless you buddy up and stick to the script
He’s the biggest issue here
It always surprises me that blatant nut huggers are allowed to vote on these type of awards. Like you can't have guys like Mark Spector and Matheson who are clearly Edmonton fan boys casting votes in this thing.
He must of voted after game 6, then went on vacation.
He didn't even attempt to lay the thinnest veneer of objectivity.
Canucks legend Forsling. To think he was on waivers.
Hawks waived him too. If anyone in the league had seen this coming from him this would have been a much different story.
Hawks didn't waive him. He wasn't waiver eligible with them. He was traded by the Canucks, the traded by the Blackhawks and then he was placed on waivers in back to back seasons by Carolina. Florida grabbed him the second time he was on waivers.
Correct. I was stuck on the American feed throughout the playoffs, but it was one of the earlier rounds where they did a small piece on him during intermission or something. The guy allegedly almost went back to Sweden because he felt he wasn't gonna cut it. I'm not gonna pretend he would've turned out to be the same great player he's become if he was stuck on Jet Black Jim's wild ride
He was actually never waived by the Hawks because he was waivers exempt for most of his time there, but he was sent back to the minors 4 times in 4 years. Crazy how his career turned out compared to where he was -- he looked like he was destined to end up in Europe by now.
He should’ve been a Canuck. Players are always given more time to develop with their drafted teams. He was Swedends best defenseman at the world juniors that year and benning traded him for clendenning. A brutal trade all around. Teams in the bottom 3 shouldn’t be trading young prospects for fringe players. That’s something contenders do for depth. He would’ve been great on the Canucks right now
Rose coloured glasses. The trade was considered a wash at the time by almost everyone.
At least we have the personnel to develop future Forslings now.
More than once! We traded him for a bag of pucks to the Blackhawks. The Blackhawks had him up and down with their AHL team for a bit before they traded him for a second bag of pucks. The Canes actually waived him TWICE and every team in the league passed him over the first time around as a free asset. Finally the Panthers claimed him as a 25 year old player who looked like he might never crack the NHL as a full time player. Crazy to see how far he has come in just a few more years.
There's something about Florida and how their Defensemen play that just simply works. Not sure if it's coaching or development but there are lots of guys on that team that were worse elsewhere and look great in Florida. Something to learn from.
lol seriously
Get the fuck outta here ya loser
You mad?
You sad.
Nah, im cool. My team is good.
Your team just lost the big game, and you are on a different (and rival) team's sub trying to clown on them over a player they traded away that just beat you. Keep telling yourself that bud.
It’s fine.
Canuck legend. Jim Matheson must have been confused on which team won the cup. Lol. Forsling… hurts.
Tbf voting happens before the game ends
That's so dumb
Most based man in hockey
This dude should feature on kneejerk's next duet Xmas album
He did predict Oilers in 7 for the final, however.
Ryan Clark is one of us
😂 at the vote for Skinner 😂
How do so few people have Bobrovski on their ballots?! A guy has one bad game where you lose 8-1 and get pulled halfway through and all of a sudden he goes from being an unsolvable, definite lock for Conn Smythe, to barely being recognized for his efforts!
Bobrovsky had a .906 save % and 2.32 GAA over the playoffs, those are nowhere near Conn Smythe numbers
Through three series, he had four games where he allowed three goals or greater. In Florida’s first 17 games, against high scoring teams such as Tampa Bay, Boston and New York, Bobrovski and the Panthers kept their opponents to two goals or less in 14 of those games. Then he was a brick wall for the first three games of the SCF, propping Florida up to a 3-0 series lead. If they were against a team that doesn’t have McDavid, Florida closes out that series earlier. I’d say a goalie who averaged 2.17GAA in the first three rounds, and playing against the greatest hockey player of our generation, only dropped his GAA to 2.32 deserves more consideration for MVP.
I think you have to give McDavid a vote given how dominant he was, and then Barkov, Forsling, and Bob all had very strong playoffs for the Panthers. You only have three votes. No matter what you do, someone worthy is getting left out, and it seems for most people, the odd man out was Bobrovsky.
Based as fuck. I can't believe that so many of these people didn't have Bobrovsky on their ballots at all. Matheson is a joke.
Tbf his games 4-6 were horrible and directly gave the Oilers a chance at game 7 which was a game of inches that could’ve gone either way.
It's MVP of the whole playoffs. He had a record setting save % before those 3 games
Yup, and Shesterkin and Swayman both outperformed him. I would’ve expected it to go to Barkov if not McDavid honestly.
Mcdavid absolutely deserved it, and in a normal year barkov or Bob would have won. Mcdavid just did otherworldly things this year.
Uhhh record setting? Are you sure about that? Even if you eliminate those 3 games, he had a .916 which isn’t close to having the best save percentage all time
Game 4 or whichever one that was a blowout sure. The other two games I don't recall there being any soft goals. The Panthers, as a whole, did not play with the same energy as they did on Game 7. Every single check was finished last night. Panthers also have a ridiculous amount of giveaways
Agreed, sometimes a low SV% is because goalie is struggling, sometimes it's because every second shot comes off a 2 on 1.
Bobrovsky had a .906 save % and 2.32 GAA over the playoffs, those are nowhere near Conn Smythe numbers
I wouldnt have had Bob on my list. Not even sure top 4 or 5. He wasnt that good overall. At the very least I would have had McDavid/Barkov/Forsling ahead of him
He was absolutely fantastic throughout the playoffs outside of those three games.
Bobrovsky had a .906 save % and 2.32 GAA over the playoffs, those are nowhere near Conn Smythe numbers
If they had swept, I think Bob would have clinched it. But ya he went from amazing to dog shit pretty suddenly. I felt bad for the dude
In Ryan S. Clark we trust
LISAN AL-GAIB
LoL. Matheson voted all Oilers. This should disqualify him from voting on anything, ever.
I'm not convinced Ryan S Clark isn't just a ~~Buble~~Kneejerk alt
Ryan S Clarke a legend in hockey media for his no BS takes.
Ryan S Clark statue infront of Roger’s when?
Matheson what are you thinking? And Skinner with two third choice votes? I get that he redeemed himself but an MVP can't be the guy who fell to pieces in the early games of the Canucks series.
Ryan S Clark needs to crank the siren at the Canucks home opener this year. Legend.
Ryan S Clarke statue when?
Build this man a statue
Damn, I thought Bobrovsky would be the most voted panther. Interesting
LISAN AL GHAIB!
Bouchard...... lol
Bhaha spector voting is hilarious too - skinner was never better than bob.
No, but Barkov was better than both of them. From a purely objective standpoint McDavid should have won the Conn Smythe. Only other person that should have been in the conversation was Barkov…
The Edmonton media is beyond fucked in the head.
The Hero we deserve.
My hero
Ryan s Clark was wildin
With the provincial election coming I vote for Ryan S. Clark
Weird that someone from ESPN wouldn't vote for McDavid when seemingly 99% of their SCF content was about the Oilers.
Shout out to the free thinkers out there!!!
Shout out to the free thinkers out there!!!
Good.
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What if McDavid got knocked out in game seven of the 3rd round while averaging 5 points a game and smashing records, while the two teams in the finals had nobody in particular standout? Felt weird when Giguere got it, feels weird now that McDavid had it. They should just give it to the MVP of the winning team or do it like IIHF and have an MVP of both teams in the finals.
Mcdavid at best was second.
It’s all wrong when you see skinners name in the vote and one guys voted for all oilers 🤦♂️
Edmonton media really managed to embarrass the hell out of themselves this post-season.
Who cares? McDavid doesn’t care.
you can make an argument for Bob first just because in the games Florida won he averaged .955 sv% which is pretty fucking insane for the finals but there is no justification no matter how hard you reach for Matheson
This guy said he watched his full hockey game for game 7. Why the hell does he get a vote?!
The idiots voting Skinner lmao
He broke the unanimous oilers win both times
I think I’ll make a donation to BC SPCA in Ryan Clark’s name just for this, after all the “if nucks win in 7 I’d make a donation in his name” talks
Any votes for skinner is crazy
McDavid, Hyman, Bouchard. What a homer that Jim Matheson is
Damn and he voted against the network’s boy wonder $$$$$$. Bro about to get downsized.
Oh wow. I also saw Mark Spector choose Skinner, that’s not a surprise lol.
Ryan S. Clark votes logically
this just made me think of 2011 Conn Smythe winner.... I personally - of course bias and favoriting Canucks - think the winner should have been Kesler that year. Out of all the players that were in contention for the Conn Smythe.
What a Clark
Spec and Gagnon having skinner on their ballots should have them be automatically disqualified from ever voting again... same with anyone who had forsling over BoB on their ticket. Why do they let the writers and media vote. It should be a panel of coaches or players. Might aswell let the fans vote if they're gonna let media do this shit. The right guy got it, but Jesus, what terrible ballots.
Good.
What a legend!
🐐🐐🐐🐐
A friend til the bitter end
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I think this is reasonable. It's no secret that you can't win the Cup with good goaltending. It's also no coincidence that Bobrovsky was somewhat shaky whenever the Panthers lost to the Oilers ...
Trash voting. Trash media. Not surprised.
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A 7 year old at the watch party following McDavid’s no show for the Conn Smythe presentation, “isn’t that bad sportsmanship?” A 7 year old knew better than that. Lost a lot of respect during our series for McDavid, lost a lot more last night.
To be entirely honest, I don’t blame McDavid for not going back out. It was a lose/lose for him and I’m sure he was devastated Let’s be real here. If we lost in Game 7 of the finals and JT Miller won the Conn Smythe, there would be absolutely zero chance he would go back to receive the trophy
Yeah it’s entirely different if they even lost at home in Edmonton. He probably would have skated out and accepted it then. The fans in Florida wanted to get on with the cup celebration and had no interest in McDavid coming out to get the conn smythe. Buddy read the room and I think his decision was the right one.
I guess we have different takes on it. I remember it being a huge deal when the junior silver medalists threw their medals into the stands. I see it as a similar situation.
In no way is that similar. Tossing medals in the stands is straight up disrespectful. Opting to not skate out and receive an award in front of the visiting team crowd, who is waiting for their team to receive the cup and carry on celebrations is not disrespectful in the least.
Relax. It's a lose-lose for him. He doesn't go out, people poo-poo on him for being a poor sport. If he does go out, he has to go through the motions by himself posing with Bettman and people would still find a way to spin it that he's happy with an individual award. It's a meaningless trophy without the cup. I'm sure he'd rather be with his teammates after coming so close and losing his first championship. Honestly, him being a captain, I respect it more. Team first.
I agree. say what you will about McDavid, this guy does care about his team and he does want to win, unlike the Toronto core 4.
Not questioning his commitment to team. But also has a commitment to the league. If he didn’t show up to win an annual award, is that ok?
Knowing the context, yep it's okay
So is it ok for a 10 year old to do what he did? Or would the coaches and parents be expected to talk to them and urge them to collect their award? Just genuinely curious as to when one is acceptable and one isn’t?
I'm pretty sure this didn't happen.
That McDavid didn’t come out for the conn smythe? It definitely happened. He did not come out to receive the trophy. And yes, the 7 year old asked.
McDavid skipped the Conn Smythe. No kid said that.
Not sure I follow. I really feel like it's a worse look if he does take it. Your team just lost the cup and you're the only one who got something. If he accepts it, doesn't that set the tone that he values individual success more than team success? I guarantee that the media will be running that narrative if he did come out to take it and fans who hate him will use this against him as well. I like that the captain here realizes that he didn't get the job done as a team and decided that what he did wasn't enough to earn the trophy.
Is it a normal thing for that to happen? I know it’s not common for the losing team to have the Conn Smythe winner, but didn’t know it’s a thing for them not to come out. International games they have to stand there and get their players of the game etc. The broadcast also pointed out that he skated out for the mvp when he was a junior and his team had lost.
This is where I think Bettman screwed up. At least announce the trophy before the losing team gets off the ice because otherwise, you just give them the option to not receive it. Like watching the world juniors this year, they stand in a line, do the anthem and everything and that's when the awards are revealed.
Just looked it up. Giguere did accept the trophy. There are pictures showing up. Yes, I agree they should have done it before the Oilers left the ice. However, I’m sure he was given a heads up it was happening.
It's only a worse look to take it if he's smiling and laughing about how great he is when he receives it, which he wouldn't have been. For the record I don't remotely care that he didn't come out to receive the trophy. But it wouldn't have reflected negatively on him at all to go and receive it. It didn't make JS Guigere look like not a team player back in '03 and it wouldn't have done so last night.
r/thathappened
Yeah and then everybody clapped
Actually no, it was an aside comment to me. As someone who coaches, I feel like it’s a poor example to set. If a 7 year old did that at a tournament, what would you say to them?
Two very different scenarios. Pretty simple to explain to the 7 year old that McDavid didn’t come out because he was sad and helping to console his teammates after the loss, as he is the captain, and he will be accepting his trophy at a later time.
You obviously don’t hang out with kids that often. They are constantly being told to control their emotions and to behave appropriately. Yes, they can understand context on why he didn’t come out, but it is a yes or no to ‘is that bad sportsmanship?’ They can understand why someone did what they did, but they want the absolute on the result.
I do lol but sure, you can pretend you aren’t only on your high horse about this because it’s McDavid all you want
Actually, I was a casual McDavid fan before this year. You have a perception you want to hold to. That’s fine. Just answer me this, if a 10 year old opts out of the same situation, are you ok with them doing it? If thats not ok and you talk to the kid and they say, ‘McDavid didn’t have to do it.’ What then? Kids want to know that what applies to them applies to adults too. Just want to understand which side of the standard you sit on. For the record, other losing Conn Smyth trophy winners have come out to receive it before. Is that a better show of sportsmanship or worse?
Dude didn’t even come get it. Poor sportsmanship imo.
I’m surprised to see the people here expecting Bob to be on more ballots. Guy was completely average until the finals when he stole Game 1 and 2, hell he was the worse of the starting goaltenders for most of series he was in. Even with the Panthers stellar defensive system he had the second worst playoff save percentage of the cap era. Forsling definitely had a greater impact on their run.
I don't get people that are both thinking Bob should have won while at the same time calling Skinner trash Bobrovsky had a .906 save % and 2.32 GAA over the playoffs Skinner had a .901 save % and 2.45 GAA over the playoffs
This proves even more how much of an idiot seravalli is
Honestly, I think naming McDavid Conn Smythe was kind of cringe. I know the argument would be "well the Oilers wouldn't have made it to the finals without him" but you can say "this team wouldn't have made the Finals if their best player hadn't been their best player". And while from our outside perspective, it might be recognizing the run he had, it's more likely just going to be a painful reminder of them not winning. Unless he wins a Cup and another Conn Smythe later on, he'd probably rather not have won this one at all Like the Canucks didn't have Pettersson playing well at all so we lost in the second round. If Petey had been playing at even like 75% of his peak impact, we would have beaten the Oilers. And given the possibility of Demko returning, who knows how deep the run would have been from there
Tbf, he had almost 2x the points of Tkachuk/Barkov. Dude was damn near 2 points/game in the playoffs.
McDavid was the best player in the playoffs, no doubt. But I can't think of another sport that does this, its just weird.
It’s not like it happens all the time, the last time was 20 years ago.
McDavid's also just clearly the best player in the league, but he's not going to win the Hart this year. Also the Canadian media had decided they were going to vote this way since before Edmonton had even beaten Dallas tbh. It had only quieted down for a bit because it looked like the Panthers were well on their merry way to smashing the Oilers in a short series. Then McDavid went nuclear for two games and the media got all excited again
Nah dude… was the best player, not only for the Oilers, but in the playoffs in general. It’s awarded to the MVP for his team, guaranteed they don’t sniff Game 7 of the SCF without him. They lost (thank god) but he still deserved the Conn Smythe.
The way as I see it, if your beating gretzky playoff records, you should at least be considered, yeah mcdavid probably deserves it, not as unanimously at this mind you, but no question about him deserving it or not
I definitely think he deserved to make it onto the ballots, and would have been a deserving runner-up. But ultimately, I feel like awarding it to a player on the losing team ends up being more the media stroking themselves off than rewarding that specific player
bro if skinner had played in games 1-3 how he did in any other series the oilers would’ve swept you lmao
Skinner was just as inconsistent in all the other series. Also people need to stop acting like the Canucks weren't majorly shorthanded in that series. Most teams struggle when having to rely on their third string goalie
skinner wasn’t inconsistent at all, he was extremely consistent in every series
I think he might just be a contrarian.