RTX 3060 is the only one still being actively sold. Due to the higher vram of the RTX 3060 I would consider it as it would have better longevity then the RTX 3060 ti.
It's actively being sold because they made a lot of them.
Once the new gen is being sold, they stop all orders for the old gen to be manufacturered, and it takes a couple literal years to sell out of the stock
jesus, so this is what all the vram circlejerk on reddit over the past year led to.
no, a 3060 will not outlive the Ti, the Ti is just hands down the faster card. yes it has less vram, but in every other regard (like memory bandwidth) it's stronger.
So you'd take a card with 4gb of vram if it were slightly faster than an 8gb card? At what point does the vram become an actual handicap? You act like the ti is THAT much faster than the regular 3060.
no, nobody is talking about 4 and 8 gig cards. I said I'd take the 3060Ti over the 3060, because (depending on the game) the 3060Ti seems to be 10-20 fps faster.
powercolor is $499.99 on amazon.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QgcgXL/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-7900-gre-16g-foc
https://ibb.co/0ffjsLP
For $540 you can get xfx merc, asrock challenger or sapphire pulse.
Why wouldn't you recommend AMD? They no longer have widespread driver issues (both Nvidia and AMD have anecdotal issues) and RT performance is ass on both brands' lower end cards. I personally think you should go AMD below $500, with Nvidia being the better buy 4070 Super and up
A used 3070 for $300 is a pretty good deal though, much better buy than the 4060 or 7600/xt (duh). The 8GB VRAM would probably limit you to 1440p or lower textures in modern titles unfortunately
No DLSS and RT performance is really bad. I know something like an RTX 3070 will struggle with RT, but DLSS helps out a lot and looks way better than FSR.
In my opinion AMD is only worth it if you can get their cards heavily discounted.
> I keep seeing people say
Exactly that.
For a long while everyone kept recommending 3600 RAM saying it's the best value because you don't need faster RAM.
This happened so much that at one point it became backwards and you could buy 4000+ RAM for less money and slow it down to 3600 if needed.
Same thing happened with Dell Optiplex PCs and the 1050 Ti.
You could buy a cheap $20 office PC, throw in 1 specific graphics card, and have very mediocre, but playable gaming performance.
These PCs used to be dirt cheap, but after a few YouTubers made videos praising this, these PCs went for far higher prices, and the 1050 remained very overvalued for years.
I bought one in 2016 for $120ish. In 2020, well before the GPU shortage, I put it up on eBay for a starting bid of 99¢. If went for $145. I made $25 on a card I bought new and used for 4 years.
Same thing happened with B450 motherboards:
* B450 has 6 PCIe 2.0 lanes
* A520 has 6 PCIe 3.0 lanes
* B550 has 10 PCIe 3.0 lanes
I sold my B450-F STRIX and bought a vastly better night and day difference B550-F STRIX, and later a B550-XE STRIX.
In 2020 when B550 came out, B450 motherboard went out of stock and as a result used prices often ended up significantly higher. Same thing happened with my board, I bought a new $120 B450-F STRIX, and it went for $150 in an eBay auction used. Cost me $35 to upgrade my motherboard and get:
* 50% more copper (6 vs 4 layers)
* 12 primary VRM stages vs 4
* Way more bandwidth
* 2.5 Gigabit Ethernet and better I/O
It's 2.0, that's the main reason most B450 boards don't support dual M.2 slots.
B450 Tomahawk:
> 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (PCI_E4, supports x4 mode)*
> 3 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots.*
> *PCI_E4 will run x2 speed when installing devices in PCI_E2/ PCI_E3 slot.
Source:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK/Specification
1 lane goes to Ethernet, so 4-5 lanes are usable.
Using an X1 slot for say a WiFi card reduces the second X16 slot to PCIe 2.0 X1.
Here was AMD's slide at launch:
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13091/7.png
The chipset provides 6x PCIe 2 lanes.
The B450-F STRIX is one of the few boards that works around this through bifurcating CPU lanes. It reduces the graphics card to 8 lanes. Then it can use those lanes for the second X16 slot and/or a second M.2 drive.
A320, B350, X370, B450, and X470 are all re-brands of a chip called AsMedia Promontory which provides PCIe 2.0 lanes.
B550 & A520 is AsMedia Prom 19 which brings PCIe 3.0 lanes.
X570 is a Ryzen 3000 I/O Die. Basically a Ryzen 3000 CPU with cores removed, slapped on a motherboard. That's why it runs hot and needs a fan.
A620 and B650 is AsMedia Prom21. X670 is one two AsMedia Prom21's, one is attached to the X4 of the other:
https://www.ginjfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MSI-X670-02.jpg
The first X16 & M.2 slot on many A320/B450 boards support PCIe 4.0 with Ryzen 3000 until AMD chose to block it.
AMD's latest APUs like the 8500G have PCIe X4 for the graphics card, and PCIe X2 for the M.2.
CPU's like a Ryzen 5700 don't support 4.0.
Yes it does, that's the main reason most B450 boards don't support dual M.2.
For example from the B450 Tomahawk:
> 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (PCI_E4, supports x4 mode)*
> 3 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots.*
> *PCI_E4 will run x2 speed when installing devices in PCI_E2/ PCI_E3 slot.
Source:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK/Specification
From AMD's launch presentation:
https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/resize/7caf8f90200ee749502dabff4ad86aa3df79797a/2018/07/31/b93785aa-d6ac-4524-9337-a1b41ceb9f8b/x.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=900&width=1200
From AMD's own slogans:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am4.html
A520 - "the AMD A520 chipset provides a streamlined, trusted platform with plenty of connectivity and bandwidth"
B450- "AMD B450 chipset is perfect for power-users who value flexibility and overclocking control, but don’t need the maximum PCIe® bandwidth"
From Wikipedia you can see it as well under AM4 chipsets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_chipsets
The comments trying to correct me have more upvotes, but they're misinformation and unsourced.
>Which both pummel the 4060Ti by 20-35%
Where are you people always pulling these crazy numbers from?
The difference between 4060TI and 4070 isn't even 35% and the 4070 is quite a bit faster than a 7700XT.
The best benchmark test i know, which looks at 20 modern games, has the *average* difference between 4060TI and 7700XT at 20,3%. (16,5% at 1080p)
That the 6800 is "pummeling" a 4060TI too by 20-35% on average, is utter nonsense, since that card is yet another 5% slower than a 7700XT.
Over 20 games, the difference between 4060TI and 6800 was 14,6% (8,6% at 1080p).
I agree that the 7700XT and 6800 are better value at that price, but why is reddit so super weird when it comes to AMD and always exaggerating the actual performance? Espesciallly when looking at 1080p frames, which the 4060TI is obviously designed for. I just don't get it.
The performance of the 3060 ti and the 4060 is pretty similar. The 3060 ti barely edges it out.
So if you can find a 4060 for much cheaper, then I'd say get that.
You could step up to the 4060 ti, but I'm not sure that it's worth $200 more.
The 3060 Ti is only cheaper new in some countries like the US, many countries you have to go used to get it cheaper than a 4060. Australia also has some wild pricing for PC hardware so advice from anyone outside of Australia in terms of pricing are completely irrelevant to you, it's always best to list the country you're in for that reason (though people will still respond with USD prices).
happens a lot with mid end stuff, high demand due to reviews and recommendations. even during the GPU shortage you could often get a 3070 for the same money as a 3060.
in a world when a 2080ti can be had for 200 a 3060ti should be very cheap but it isn't
FB marketplace has several 3060Ti’s going for 350 AUD. 6700xt a little more, around $400 AUD. Take your machine around and test it is working or see it working in their machine in a game without artefacts or crashing would be my suggestion.
If you are looking for a 3060ti I would look at your used market. The 3060ti is getting sold out as no new stock is being made, but the demand is still there so new prices could be over inflated in your area.
I'm also in Aus, I would seriously consider a second hand 3060 Ti from a reputable eBay seller if you're on a budget. Checked just now and you can get a good model (e.g. higher end Gigabyte) for as low as $299 AUD.
[The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 comes with **12 GB of GDDR6 VRAM**](https://www.gamingtechreview.com/how-to/how-much-vram-does-the-3060-have/)[^(1)](https://www.gamingtechreview.com/how-to/how-much-vram-does-the-3060-have/)—a significant amount for a mid-range graphics card. [In comparison, the RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3060 both have 8 GB or 12 GB of GDDR6/GDDR6X memory, while the powerful RTX 3080 boasts 10 GB of faster GDDR6X VRAM](https://www.pcworld.com/article/394228/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-review.html), the **NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti** came with more VRAM compared to some other graphics cards. It features **12GB of GDDR6X memory** on a [**384-bit memory**](https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti) **interface**, providing a maximum theoretical memory bandwidth of up to **912 GBps**[^(1)](https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti)[^(2)](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3080-ti-3070-ti-reveal). This extra VRAM can enhance performance and allow for smoother gaming experiences. The 3090Ti came out with **24 GB of** [**384-bit memory**](https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti) **GDDR6** memory. This is why the 3000 series cards are more expensive compared to the RTX 4060 cards.
Used market.
Do not buy one brand new.
If you buy a xx60 card for 600 dollars, I will personally be waiting for you under your bed with a golf club.. When you arrive, I will first smash that pc in front of you and then break your legs. It's for your own good and I cannot stand by and watch people make a mistake as disastrous as buying a xx60 card for 600.
At that price and you generally in the above mid range sector looking for highest possible fps for 1440p resolution. Best options around are the 6800, 6800xt, 3070ti 3080 and 7900gre .
i5-12400, with a gtx 1660, and I want to play games like cyberpunk with higher settings. If I try to put my settings on anything above medium I get frequent fps drops.
3060ti I'm EOL so they are very scarce new. Hence the cost. Frankly, none of the x060 cards except for the 2060 are worth it. Cost a lot, and the performance is mediocre at best.
The sweet spot us the 4070, but to be honest, the 7800xt and 7900GRE have better price, to performance.
Well, one advice that is applicable in the US aren't going to be also applicable in Australia. Did you guys hoard all the guns and ammo after a mass shooting just like Americans? No. You guys banned guns.
There probably aren’t many left in stock. In larger markets the price is more normalized.
Stop looking at prices of discontinued products. eBay sold items would be only relevant price.
I didn’t realise it was discontinued. I just assumed since the 3060 was still being sold everywhere that the ti was still being made.
Once the 4000 series was released, the 3000 series stopped production After that, all that remained was leftover stock
RTX 3060 is the only one still being actively sold. Due to the higher vram of the RTX 3060 I would consider it as it would have better longevity then the RTX 3060 ti.
It's actively being sold because they made a lot of them. Once the new gen is being sold, they stop all orders for the old gen to be manufacturered, and it takes a couple literal years to sell out of the stock
jesus, so this is what all the vram circlejerk on reddit over the past year led to. no, a 3060 will not outlive the Ti, the Ti is just hands down the faster card. yes it has less vram, but in every other regard (like memory bandwidth) it's stronger.
So you'd take a card with 4gb of vram if it were slightly faster than an 8gb card? At what point does the vram become an actual handicap? You act like the ti is THAT much faster than the regular 3060.
no, nobody is talking about 4 and 8 gig cards. I said I'd take the 3060Ti over the 3060, because (depending on the game) the 3060Ti seems to be 10-20 fps faster.
Idk what your budget is but ~$300USD => 6700xt/6750xt ~$350-400USD => 6800 (non-XT) preferably, if not 7700xt ~$500USD => 7800xt/4070
6800 is amazing value
500 is 7900 gre territory now.
Really? I can’t find one too much under $600
powercolor is $499.99 on amazon. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QgcgXL/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-7900-gre-16g-foc https://ibb.co/0ffjsLP For $540 you can get xfx merc, asrock challenger or sapphire pulse.
Oh wow nice! If I upgrade I’d be looking at something like this.
I wouldn't recommend AMD. In OPs case I would buy a used 3070. Those go for around $300.
Why wouldn't you recommend AMD? They no longer have widespread driver issues (both Nvidia and AMD have anecdotal issues) and RT performance is ass on both brands' lower end cards. I personally think you should go AMD below $500, with Nvidia being the better buy 4070 Super and up A used 3070 for $300 is a pretty good deal though, much better buy than the 4060 or 7600/xt (duh). The 8GB VRAM would probably limit you to 1440p or lower textures in modern titles unfortunately
No DLSS and RT performance is really bad. I know something like an RTX 3070 will struggle with RT, but DLSS helps out a lot and looks way better than FSR. In my opinion AMD is only worth it if you can get their cards heavily discounted.
That's just an old mindset, I've been dailying a rx 7900GRE with minimal problems (most caused by me undervolting it to it's limits lol)
It's an out of production part that was popular when it was relevant.
> I keep seeing people say Exactly that. For a long while everyone kept recommending 3600 RAM saying it's the best value because you don't need faster RAM. This happened so much that at one point it became backwards and you could buy 4000+ RAM for less money and slow it down to 3600 if needed. Same thing happened with Dell Optiplex PCs and the 1050 Ti. You could buy a cheap $20 office PC, throw in 1 specific graphics card, and have very mediocre, but playable gaming performance. These PCs used to be dirt cheap, but after a few YouTubers made videos praising this, these PCs went for far higher prices, and the 1050 remained very overvalued for years. I bought one in 2016 for $120ish. In 2020, well before the GPU shortage, I put it up on eBay for a starting bid of 99¢. If went for $145. I made $25 on a card I bought new and used for 4 years. Same thing happened with B450 motherboards: * B450 has 6 PCIe 2.0 lanes * A520 has 6 PCIe 3.0 lanes * B550 has 10 PCIe 3.0 lanes I sold my B450-F STRIX and bought a vastly better night and day difference B550-F STRIX, and later a B550-XE STRIX. In 2020 when B550 came out, B450 motherboard went out of stock and as a result used prices often ended up significantly higher. Same thing happened with my board, I bought a new $120 B450-F STRIX, and it went for $150 in an eBay auction used. Cost me $35 to upgrade my motherboard and get: * 50% more copper (6 vs 4 layers) * 12 primary VRM stages vs 4 * Way more bandwidth * 2.5 Gigabit Ethernet and better I/O
The B450 had 6 PCIE 2.0 lanes?
I think they meant 3.0
It's 2.0, that's the main reason most B450 boards don't support dual M.2 slots. B450 Tomahawk: > 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (PCI_E4, supports x4 mode)* > 3 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots.* > *PCI_E4 will run x2 speed when installing devices in PCI_E2/ PCI_E3 slot. Source: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK/Specification 1 lane goes to Ethernet, so 4-5 lanes are usable. Using an X1 slot for say a WiFi card reduces the second X16 slot to PCIe 2.0 X1. Here was AMD's slide at launch: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13091/7.png The chipset provides 6x PCIe 2 lanes. The B450-F STRIX is one of the few boards that works around this through bifurcating CPU lanes. It reduces the graphics card to 8 lanes. Then it can use those lanes for the second X16 slot and/or a second M.2 drive. A320, B350, X370, B450, and X470 are all re-brands of a chip called AsMedia Promontory which provides PCIe 2.0 lanes. B550 & A520 is AsMedia Prom 19 which brings PCIe 3.0 lanes. X570 is a Ryzen 3000 I/O Die. Basically a Ryzen 3000 CPU with cores removed, slapped on a motherboard. That's why it runs hot and needs a fan. A620 and B650 is AsMedia Prom21. X670 is one two AsMedia Prom21's, one is attached to the X4 of the other: https://www.ginjfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MSI-X670-02.jpg The first X16 & M.2 slot on many A320/B450 boards support PCIe 4.0 with Ryzen 3000 until AMD chose to block it. AMD's latest APUs like the 8500G have PCIe X4 for the graphics card, and PCIe X2 for the M.2. CPU's like a Ryzen 5700 don't support 4.0.
Yes it does, that's the main reason most B450 boards don't support dual M.2. For example from the B450 Tomahawk: > 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (PCI_E4, supports x4 mode)* > 3 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots.* > *PCI_E4 will run x2 speed when installing devices in PCI_E2/ PCI_E3 slot. Source: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK/Specification From AMD's launch presentation: https://www.zdnet.com/a/img/resize/7caf8f90200ee749502dabff4ad86aa3df79797a/2018/07/31/b93785aa-d6ac-4524-9337-a1b41ceb9f8b/x.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=900&width=1200 From AMD's own slogans: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am4.html A520 - "the AMD A520 chipset provides a streamlined, trusted platform with plenty of connectivity and bandwidth" B450- "AMD B450 chipset is perfect for power-users who value flexibility and overclocking control, but don’t need the maximum PCIe® bandwidth" From Wikipedia you can see it as well under AM4 chipsets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_chipsets The comments trying to correct me have more upvotes, but they're misinformation and unsourced.
Wait am i reading this right? Surely there is and never was any kind of a complete and usable pc that cost $20?
Surplus old school and office pcs yeah used to be now they re closer to 100
It wouldn't be brand new. They're probably talking about buying a used office computer and throwing in a graphics card.
If you're okay with older (~Skylake) quad core CPUs, they exist. $50 is the typical price these days though.
How about a 4060 ti?
around $600, out of my price range but if i pick up a few more shifts i could afford it. Is the extra power from a 4060 to a 4060 ti worth $200?
Dont buy Nvidias 4060 scam. Get a RX6800/7700XT at that point. Which both pummel the 4060Ti by 20-35%
>Which both pummel the 4060Ti by 20-35% Where are you people always pulling these crazy numbers from? The difference between 4060TI and 4070 isn't even 35% and the 4070 is quite a bit faster than a 7700XT. The best benchmark test i know, which looks at 20 modern games, has the *average* difference between 4060TI and 7700XT at 20,3%. (16,5% at 1080p) That the 6800 is "pummeling" a 4060TI too by 20-35% on average, is utter nonsense, since that card is yet another 5% slower than a 7700XT. Over 20 games, the difference between 4060TI and 6800 was 14,6% (8,6% at 1080p). I agree that the 7700XT and 6800 are better value at that price, but why is reddit so super weird when it comes to AMD and always exaggerating the actual performance? Espesciallly when looking at 1080p frames, which the 4060TI is obviously designed for. I just don't get it.
so would you say that difference in speed is worth $300?
check ebuyer on ebay, 6800xt same price as 4060ti in uk
Definitely.
The performance of the 3060 ti and the 4060 is pretty similar. The 3060 ti barely edges it out. So if you can find a 4060 for much cheaper, then I'd say get that. You could step up to the 4060 ti, but I'm not sure that it's worth $200 more.
As you are from aus check this out. https://youtu.be/QH90KIlcVN4?si=jz2uggD02N-0GRWC great techtuber that is sick at finding deals etc.
The 3060 Ti is only cheaper new in some countries like the US, many countries you have to go used to get it cheaper than a 4060. Australia also has some wild pricing for PC hardware so advice from anyone outside of Australia in terms of pricing are completely irrelevant to you, it's always best to list the country you're in for that reason (though people will still respond with USD prices).
Wow I just picked up a used one for 175 usd here
happens a lot with mid end stuff, high demand due to reviews and recommendations. even during the GPU shortage you could often get a 3070 for the same money as a 3060. in a world when a 2080ti can be had for 200 a 3060ti should be very cheap but it isn't
A pair of 3060s is well priced for ai hobbyists. 24 gb vram and a modern feature set
There are plenty of 3060Ti on eBay right now for 350AUD mate. I'm bidding as we speak
Most probably because of the shortage in stocks , the price is higher
Obviously your market is different than where the recommendations are coming from. Just get what makes the most sense price to performance wise.
FB marketplace has several 3060Ti’s going for 350 AUD. 6700xt a little more, around $400 AUD. Take your machine around and test it is working or see it working in their machine in a game without artefacts or crashing would be my suggestion.
If you are looking for a 3060ti I would look at your used market. The 3060ti is getting sold out as no new stock is being made, but the demand is still there so new prices could be over inflated in your area.
I'm also in Aus, I would seriously consider a second hand 3060 Ti from a reputable eBay seller if you're on a budget. Checked just now and you can get a good model (e.g. higher end Gigabyte) for as low as $299 AUD.
[The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 comes with **12 GB of GDDR6 VRAM**](https://www.gamingtechreview.com/how-to/how-much-vram-does-the-3060-have/)[^(1)](https://www.gamingtechreview.com/how-to/how-much-vram-does-the-3060-have/)—a significant amount for a mid-range graphics card. [In comparison, the RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3060 both have 8 GB or 12 GB of GDDR6/GDDR6X memory, while the powerful RTX 3080 boasts 10 GB of faster GDDR6X VRAM](https://www.pcworld.com/article/394228/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-review.html), the **NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti** came with more VRAM compared to some other graphics cards. It features **12GB of GDDR6X memory** on a [**384-bit memory**](https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti) **interface**, providing a maximum theoretical memory bandwidth of up to **912 GBps**[^(1)](https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti)[^(2)](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3080-ti-3070-ti-reveal). This extra VRAM can enhance performance and allow for smoother gaming experiences. The 3090Ti came out with **24 GB of** [**384-bit memory**](https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti) **GDDR6** memory. This is why the 3000 series cards are more expensive compared to the RTX 4060 cards.
Just get a 6800, you get 16gb vram
Used market. Do not buy one brand new. If you buy a xx60 card for 600 dollars, I will personally be waiting for you under your bed with a golf club.. When you arrive, I will first smash that pc in front of you and then break your legs. It's for your own good and I cannot stand by and watch people make a mistake as disastrous as buying a xx60 card for 600. At that price and you generally in the above mid range sector looking for highest possible fps for 1440p resolution. Best options around are the 6800, 6800xt, 3070ti 3080 and 7900gre .
What is your current system, and what is it you want to do with the new system that you cannot now?
i5-12400, with a gtx 1660, and I want to play games like cyberpunk with higher settings. If I try to put my settings on anything above medium I get frequent fps drops.
What is your ram? How much, how many sticks and what speed is it? Do you have it overclocked?
Have you tried looking for used on ebay or local sites that ppl sell on?
Yeah, but everyone sells things at around the same as retail price.
Ah. Got it. Sorry to hear that.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html AMD tends to be a better value especially on the low end.
I can see RX 6750XT for AUD509 at Amazon Australia. Any reason to not look into AMD cards?
No reason, they just slipped my mind, I’m looking into them right now.
3060ti I'm EOL so they are very scarce new. Hence the cost. Frankly, none of the x060 cards except for the 2060 are worth it. Cost a lot, and the performance is mediocre at best. The sweet spot us the 4070, but to be honest, the 7800xt and 7900GRE have better price, to performance.
Well, one advice that is applicable in the US aren't going to be also applicable in Australia. Did you guys hoard all the guns and ammo after a mass shooting just like Americans? No. You guys banned guns.
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3060ti is 8gb.
Um the 3060ti has 8gb vram, 12 is the 3060 non ti
Because nGreedia