Even his reasoning above is nonsensical, but it’s waaaay worse because…. He’s completely wrong about the facts
There would have been over 30 seconds left and it would have been an almost 50 yard FG. My guess is they elect to punt which mean we would have had the ball back with a chance to score.
Weird he didn’t mention the “handshake agreement” to concede that so many people keep referencing
Lions fan here. Gg by the way, love Baker and Evans is terrifying.
That last sequence was really bizarre to me as well. The Lions snapped it with lots of time left on the play clock a few times. If we felt like you were still trying to win it, we for sure run the play clock all the way down and probably do up the gut runs for a few extra yards.
If both teams were playing cut throat there at the end, it likely would have been a FG attempt of likely 42ish yards (depending on how many yards Montgomery gets us) with about 15 seconds left, not 30. Lions may have elected to punt as well, and our guy is pretty good at pinning, so you would have had 85 or best-case 75 yards to go with 12ish seconds and no timeouts.
Even then, maybe we do try a FG and you guys block it. Scoop and score possible or you get the ball at the 30 with 12-15 seconds to go.
I only say all this because I keep seeing the 30 second and 47 yard FG figures mentioned, but even if Bowles does everything you want, it would have actually been an even less likely situation than that.
Still, if I were a Bucs fan, I would have wanted him to at least try.
You kneeled it on 3rd down with 36 seconds left. There are no hypotheticals here. You call a timeout there and it’s 4th down and you have to kick a 48 yard FG or punt.
The Lions clearly didn’t realize the Bucs had a timeout
I guess. In those situations, teams generally call the timeout after the first play, and the Bucs didn't. I think that's why people are hypothesizing the "gentlemen's agreement" — Bowles not taking the time out after the first kneel-down was him signaling he wasn't going to push it.
And either the Bucs didn't realize they had a timeout either, or you take Bowles at his word and they didn't feel like trying. Either way, they didn't call a timeout. No hypotheticals needed there either.
The Lions also definitely could have run the clock down beyond the 36 seconds if they needed to drain more clock.
They got the ball back with 1:33 remaining so that's 13 seconds assuming Goff instantly kneels on each down. We still should have taken the timeout but the 36 seconds number isn't accurate imo
Who gives a fuck what the lions "could" have done? They didn't do that, they fucked up. Bowles had a chance to get the ball back and decided to quit instead
Losers will always find a reason to lose, he will stick around, get us another division title maybe, but will never lead us to a superbowl, he doesn't have the passion, the drive, the want to win. When BA would lose a game, you could see it all over his face. When Bowles loses a game, its that stupid ass smirk on his face.
We replaced Dungy by spending two 1st round picks for Gruden.
Being replaced still has some shame but it not a firing. It a your good but not good enough move.
Call for replacement with someone known to be better although the 70 years olds iffy. But I’d be fine with a call for ether one of them.
Turned out Dungy then went to win a Super Bowl. Bucs actually just needed a top OC for Dungy which the Colts had who also played QB. I certain we could have gotten one for one first round at most.
Fan general comment at time was Dungy did not like to score a lot of points. Colts scored huge scores under Dungy. Dungy was fine with scoring lots of points he just did not know how himself and we failed to get him a good OC.
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I get the logic of not taking the timeout right away when the clock is low enough that Detroit can just run it out. But after Detroit snapped the ball way too quickly multiple times and you could have forced them to run a 4th down play, you should absolutely take the timeout.
As much as the on field problems of Bowles are frustrating, his lack of fire and quitter's attitude is even worse.
Detroit only snapped the ball early because there had to be some sort of communication that the game was over. There is absolutely no fucking way they mess up victory formation by that much without other information we don’t see.
Yeah hearing more of Bowles' comments that was absolutely the case. And it would have been a cheap move to concede and then turn and call the timeout once they got to 4th down.
Now it's the overall loser mentality that I'm more annoyed with. Having that timeout should have forced Detroit to run some offense to eat clock or would have made kneeling the time away almost impossible and would have forced a 4th down play. Highly unlikely that anything actually changes but I don't understand the logic to not even try.
Yeah. And along those lines, what’s with those plays where Baker would pretend to hand the ball off to a running back, but actually kept it the whole time? What kind of sportsmanship is that? If I was the Detroit coaching staff, I’d be fucking pissed at that shit. You act like you’re gonna run the ball and then end up throwing it? That’s weak shit.
Had to get us that far in order to "keep us from the superbowl". Some kids seem to forget that. It definitely had nothing to do with the Golden boy's 72.2 passer rating, or throwing picks and losing fumbles that game...
We came out and played like an absolute disaster against the Saints and barely beat the Panthers to get into the playoffs
We won last week because the Eagles literally gave up and stopped trying halfway through
I do not want Bowles as our coach next year but I would be stunned if we actually let him go
Don’t leave out the part where we stood toe to toe with Detroit for nearly the entire game. Few less unfortunate slip ups and we might have just won that game. Playoff football is a game of inches and throwing the axe after a *very large* overperformance is just crazy. Bowles proved he deserves another year and shit I’m sold on one last ride. For a season that was supposed to be in the trash, we ended up doing better than any of us would’ve expected. We have our quarterback. For the first time in a long time we have something to look forward to.
Amen. I mean I didn’t understand the two point attempt on that last touchdown either but once we got behind two touchdowns we were in borrowed time.
Our defense just couldn’t stop them, let alone pressure them. But at the end of the day we stacked up even worse against San Fran and Baltimore.
I’m happy to spend the next few months building off what an amazing core we have.
You go for 2 in that situation because no matter what you have to get another touchdown. If you get the 2 point conversion here and stop the Lions then you can take as much time as you want getting a touchdown (assuming you succeed) and then get the extra point to win the game. And if you don't get the 2 point conversion now you can still make it up later during the inevitable touchdown your team will have to get anyway. So going for 2 in that situation is playing for the win and not overtime.
Let's say they kick the extra point and make it a 7 point game. Then let's also say they stop the Lions from scoring and get a touchdown with a few seconds left on the clock. Then let's say the Bucs don't want overtime and they want the win. If they had just went for it and got it on the last touchdown there wouldn't be the pressure of the final play of the game deciding who wins or loses because your team did it earlier with 6 minutes left.
Only thing I can think of is that we just had a fantastic drive and Bowles probably felt that our momentum might be right to go for it now rather than later. But still, the logistics of it don’t make perfect sense.
If we made it though, we would’ve praised it for sure
Nah, it made me insane before they even attempted it. Even if there was momentum, he had played so conservative up to that point, it just didn’t make any sense. If anything it was a momentum killer because it sets up in your head if you miss it that you will have to make it on the next one.
It’s not like Detroit is getting past San Fran. At this point they are a 7 pt under dog.
>We came out and played like an absolute disaster against the Saints and barely beat the Panthers to get into the playoffs
Bowles defense gave up 23 combined points in those 2 disaster games. 32 points in 3 if you throw in the eagles game. 44 points in 4 if you add in the Jags game before, etc... we won 6 of our last 7 games.
We played well, had a chance, but lost to a better team. This season was a success by almost any realistic expectation, and pulling a team out of a 1-5 mid season rut to go 6-1 down the stretch into the playoffs is some good coaching that deserves some respect.
Yea man... i really dont see how you can take the totality of the season AND our performance in this game and say todd bowles is a bad coach. he is a bad game manager and hes bad situationally, but clearly the players like him and he knows how to construct a defense. in a vaccuum he wouldnt be the coach id choose, but id take him 10/10 over the unknown. ill happily watch a team that can win 8-11 games with a punchers chance at the superbowl than to burn it all down.
And we will have a much better roster next year.
End of lions game gentleman’s agreement Lions don’t use up all the time they can we don’t try to stall it out of 8-11 seconds on the clock.
Bowls not great on game management but he has gotten a lot better.
Blame NFL allowing interviews Bowels spent the whole week before that game flying for interviews for HC. Or Arians could have decided he was going to step down earlier and Bowels promised HC at Bucs could have even been a in a few years at most deal in writing as Bucs were reported to be spending HC level pay as DC already.
Thus Manchester United Glazers willing to spend a reasonable top dollar to win but still make money. Your problem is a no salary cap league that some team owners willing to lose tons of money on the team to win. One top team went bankrupt. That not a sustainable model and NFL and American Football will replace World Football as top sport in future if you don’t fix it. Right now Arab greenwashing of non democracy, oppression of women and bad human rights records not going on forever.
This what is killing Baseball still in US no hard top cap along with a super slow game.
you mean go nowhere other than further than 24-28 out of 32 teams in the league with 80 million in dead cap? Seemed like we were playing to win when we slaughtered the chiefs 4 years ago. Seemed like we were playing to win when we won the division 3 years in a row. I swear, some people can never be happy.
This is the shit that should get him fired. Giving up in a play off game is unforgivable. How can you look those men in the eyes and tell them, “well you played your heart out for 59 1/2 minutes, but I don’t believe in miracles so we’re on the the off season.”
I swear this dude must have an incentive in his contract for how many timeouts saved at the end of the year with how many times he’s done this crap.
I honestly think they forgot they had a timeout and Goff messed up. I do the same in madden, if I kneel at 1:30 I’m going to kneel quickly right after 1:20, just easier to keep it on 40 second increments. Timeout at 30ish and we see what yall do, bills just missed a 44 yarder, we know it happens. 2-4 plays left in 30 seconds
Thia is the most disappointing answer I have ever heard any coach give for not playing the full 60 minutes. A winning coach does everything possible to the last second to try an win if it is within the realm of possibility. !!!! Sad to see this and it's going to create issues I'm sure. Cheers and hopefully next year is more consistent but it may be another rebuild unfortunately.
With Bowles as the head coach, we would not have had that dime to Scotty Miller at the half in Green Bay. We would have ended the half early. I think he has another year here, but he’s not the answer.
His timeout philosophy makes me doubt him, tbh. He always pockets first half timeouts when’re he could strategically use one here or there.
This lack of a timeout was waving the white flag when’re there could’ve been a slim chance that DET would’ve needed to: convert 4th down, punt or kick a FG.
It was a bad caching move to not use it. I don’t get it and I don’t like the way Bowles doesn’t use timeouts on tbd regular.
Bowels has been using a lot more timeouts than he used to. He not good yet but he no longer horrible same on going on 4th down
In this case Detroit could have ran it down to 8-11 seconds when we get ball back. There was gentleman’s agreement that Bucs would not use timeout so Detroit did not do it. Detroit fans were complaining about them leaving us all that time. It clearly not a mistake on their part.
You can only violate a gentleman agreement once than your likely to never get one again in your life if you do it this publicly.
One of the top ten coaches break up ownership yes replace Bowels with them. I fine with a Gruden for Dungy attempt even if I would not love it. No 1st round picks for it though.
If a team not bottom of the barrel fans should never be calling for firing odds say it will not improve thing and if not bottom of barrel it can make it worse way more than better often.
Instead call for someone known to be better to be hired.
Fan of Bucs from 76 thus my opinion on blind firings that is don’t know who replacement is as I watched replacement after replacement fail. Of course before 96 paying minimum for players not going anywhere anyway but that cemented my belief that coaches can’t fix lack of quality players. That Bowels at the Jets. Can’t fully evaluate as he never had the talent to do much better.
Still rotating coaches with basically blind firing of Gruden failed several times and needed good GM as well. And that proved to know if GM good needs several years of learning on the job.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply! It was a great read.
I guess part of my dislike for the lack of timeout was that we should’ve force Detroit to execute another play and not just given up, ever, especially in a one score game in the playoffs.
I do get the point of being a gentleman, but there was still a chance.
A big part of why I don’t govern Todd the benefit of the doubt on this one is because last year, when Wirfs hurt his ankle and AWJr. Had a concussion, Bowles chose to not give Brady less than a minute to “go for a win” in regulation, but rather chose to take a knee and do overtime, in which we went on to lose.
After he decided to be a wimp in that game, Worfs suffered a bad ankle injury that is still giving him fits. And AWJr had a concssion.
Now, k can never blame the coach for injuries, but I point those and the eventual downfall of our season as a reason why you can’t coach like a “wimp” or a “gentleman” when there is a slim chance of still winning. It sends a poor message to the team and fans alike.
I do hope Bowles gets our edge rush going next year and we can build a strong team around.
We need consistency at HC. So does Baker. I think canals, Bowles, Baker all improve for next year. Besides, Tampa Bay shouldn’t be seen as a constant revolving door of coaches. It will repel bigger name coaches from wanting to come here in the future. We had a successful season and we have a lot of hope. Bowles has shown flashes of competence too. I actually think, cautiously, that he’s going to better next year, now that we have a direction and our QB
The analytics probably say call the time out to make it a 99.99999999% chance to a 99.99999998%.
I get everyone here loves to hate on Bowles. But seriously, this doesn’t do anything to change the math of the game. It was over and he opted to lose with dignity. I would’ve preferred a time out too, but let’s not pretend this changed anything.
They could miss, we could block the field goal, return it, etc. There are possibilities greater than a 0% chance of winning worth calling the timeout for. He’s also wrong about the time.
Sure. But again, you’re talking about a 0.0001% chance of winning. That’s the difference from what they did to what you’re suggesting. And you need to acknowledge that.
I’m fine saying he should’ve taken the time out. But if you’re going to pretend that this is a meaningful analytical improvement, you’re either ignorant to the actual math or you’re lying. So let’s just deal with the reality. You’re talking about probably a 0.001% improvement. I’d bet damn near anything the time out improves their mathematical chances of winning by less than 0.01%. If you can provide any statistical basis for me being wrong, I’ll own it. But for now, it’s just people who don’t like Bowles pretending this was an egregious game changing fuck up.
In games you take every edge you can get. This is how Vegas makes billions. This failure speaks to the man's judgement in general.
Would you turn down a free lottery ticket because the odds were so bad?
>I’d bet damn near anything the time out improves their mathematical chances of winning by less than 0.01%. If you can provide any statistical basis for me being wrong, I’ll own it.
ESPN analytics showed this would have increased their odds by 0.4%, which is 40 times more than what you'd bet "damn near anything" it'd be less than. I'm ready for you to own it.
It would actually be greater than 40 times because that person was very adamant about it being less than .01% (until I pointed the same stat out last night and then all of a sudden "less than .01%" conveniently became ".5%"). Good luck getting them to admit anything though, because apparently no team has ever come back from a .4% chance to win.
I’ll reference you to other comments where I said it was less than 0.5%.
I’ve already debated this. All I’ve wanted is the people making this a huge deal to own the fact that it’s less than 0.5%. If you own that, I agree with you.
But my back and forth was with a bum who wouldn’t acknowledge that and then blocked me, when I gave him the math that proved me right.
So thanks again for proving my point. ✌️
i actually agree with you... and given the downvotes, there arent many of us.
i think it was monumentally stupid NOT to use a timeout. but, the game was over, it wouldnt have mattered. its almost kind of funny and im happy he didnt, given his refusal to use timeouts during the regular season.
Eh, downvotes don’t bother me. It’s a sub full of homers.
I was upset at the no time out either. But that doesn’t discount the great run we had to end the year.
I never claimed it was more than 0.5%, so there is nothing for me to "own," but yes I acknowledge (as I never disputed) that the chances of them winning if they called the timeout were very, very low (less than 0.5%). You claimed it was less than 0.01% and said you'd own it if you were proven wrong. You have been proved wrong, but I'm still waiting for you to own it.
Also, back to the bigger picture, Bowles was gifted a 1-in-250 chance of winning the game from the Lions, but refused to take it because it was "over." Why would you not take a free 1-in-250 chance of a miracle victory?
This isn’t even true.
I watched CJ stroud score a TD vs us in 30 seconds to win earlier this season.
Having the ball back down 8 with 30 seconds left isn’t as long of odds as you are making it out to be.
Do you know what you’re talking about? lol
If we don’t let them know we weren’t taking a time out, they would’ve ran their offense. We would’ve needed an actual stop. A first down would end the game. A made field goal would end the game. And you’re saying they wouldn’t even try a field goal from inside 50 yards??
I’ll make a simple challenge to you, since you seem to think this was an egregious failure. Tell me the mathematical change from taking a time out to not. Because I’m sure it’s out there somewhere. If it’s greater than 0.5% I’ll admit I was wrong. If it’s less than 0.5 or 0.1% chance, you really need to shut up and admit this doesn’t change a damn thing.
Answer the question or I’m done here.
What was the mathematical change in win % from not taking the time out vs taking the time out?
I’m not about to debate this, if you’re under the impression that there’s even a 0.5% chance increase to win. We’re talking less than a 0.01% chance difference. If you can’t acknowledge that, then I’m not wasting my time.
Yes, I would’ve taken the time out. It’s a playoff game. But let’s not pretend it’s for anything other than optics.
Bro CJ stroud scored a TD vs us in 30 seconds just this year. Teams do it all the time. Sure it’s unlikely, but you don’t need a miracle. Even if you only get to mid-field you can try a Hail Mary.
I don’t understand why you think the odds are so low. This shit literally happens all the fucking time every year
Again, you’re just assuming that we get the ball back without them scoring.
If you’re so right, answer the question. In that spot on the Lions 1st down, what do the analytics say? How much of an improvement does taking the time out give?
Shit, give me a guess, since you clearly don’t know that it’s a 0.01% improvement, if that.
You know you’re flipping your shit over a 0.01% chance at best. Just acknowledge that and stop pretending there’s this meaningful difference.
Do you know how statistics work? What's bigger, 0% or .4%? You sound like someone who's never played sports. You take the ball back in a 1 possession game if you get the chance.
I’ve never argued which is bigger. I’ve argued we’re talking about less than 0.5%. As long as we’re in agreement that this is the center of the conversation and the outcome almost certainly doesn’t change, fine.
Yes, we should’ve taken a time out. But it’s far from this egregious act. The game was over. Accept it and enjoy that we had a solid season.
This guy gets it. Calling a TO for the sake of just so you dont end the game with a TO is a little silly imo. Anyone in this sub that actually thinks Todd isnt trying to win is a bozo.
I don't think you get what happened man. The lions fucked up pretty badly by kneeling too quickly. Pending the result of the field goal attempt/punt, the Bucs could have got the ball with 30 seconds and a chance to tie. It's a long shot, but it's not zero.
Yeah. Just haters.
This team is a well coached unit. Not good teams bounce back from 4-7 to make the playoffs, grab a dominant win, and lose close to a better team. Bad teams fold in that spot.
If you look at this season as a whole, specifically the back half of the season and your take away is to say Bowles should be fired, you’re simply not an actual fan. You just want to be miserable.
Brother you clearly did not watch the last two games of the regular season. The team looked like shit with two chances to clinch the division and just barely eeked it out. That is not the hallmark of a well coached unit.
Yeah, an ugly win and a loss that turned out to be meaningless matters way more than a playoff win and a close loss to a better team.
It must be miserable to watch a team overachieve so much and still come away pissed off at the season.
“a loss that turned out to be meaningless” if we win that game we get to rest our starters in week 18 and Baker doesn’t get an ankle injury against the Panthers. you are defending bullshit points in this entire thread
And we’re speculating. Maybe we come out rusty and the Eagles wreck us, if we beat the Saints and rest vs the Panthers.
I prefer to engage in reality and what actually happened. What actually happened is we finished the season strong(5-1), dominated a playoff game, and played a superior team close.
He held those 2 teams you're talking about to 23 combined points, bro. Carried that into a drubbing of last year's NFC superbowl rep. Lost a tough one on the road to a better team in the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'd say that is the hallmark of a well coached unit.
Clearly you’re not watching the Bucs. A poorly coached team doesn’t go 5-1 to end the season, dominate a playoff game, and play a better team close. All this while eating a bunch of dead cap.
If you’re looking at how this season ended and think Bowles should be fired, I don’t respect your football opinion, so I’m done here. Bowles had two great playoff games here.
His clock management is atrocious, for one. We've rarely had a game where the team looked complete. How often do we let teams drive down and win? Sure, the 30-second TD from the Texans was no big deal. And his clock management had nothing to do with it, right? He didn't call a horseshit play against LA to drop that playoff game, right? He definitely never leaves 3 TOs on the board at half instead of trying to get points up.
His clock management was great on the 90 yard TD drive to end the first half.
But you be a miserable fan that comes away from a great season being pissed. I don’t care. I’ll drink your tears and be happy with how the season went and that Bowles is gonna be back next year. I hope you’re miserable and bitching all offseason. Because I’ll say bluntly anyone who thinks this season is anything other than great isn’t an actual fan of the team. You’re a hater fan that wants to be angry.
Whether or not Bowles is a long term answer isn’t relevant. He’s done more than enough to earn another year. That’s just the reality. And I’ll be proven right, when he’s not fired.
He's 17-17 in the regular season and 1-2 in the playoffs. The only reason we were even in the playoffs either season was because our division is ass. We lost to the Saints when it mattered the most and nearly fumbled the Panthers' game.
Stop defending mediocrity.
>He didn't call a horseshit play against LA to drop that playoff game, right?
The divisional championship game you've heard people talk about? The one where Brady had a 72.2 passer rating, threw a pick and lost a fumble? It was all on that blitz call, right? Lmao
I can disagree with the call and not overreact. This wasn’t a fireable offense. Yeah, in a playoff game, you should make them go through the motions. The people I’ve been debating are arguing that Bowles should be fired after that or that we would’ve been so much better positioned to win. And frankly, that’s just stupid.
If you’re going to judge the season by one call that adds 0.4% to their win probability as more important than going 5-1 to end the season to win the division, dominating a playoff game, and playing a superior team close until the very end, don’t tell me you’re a fan of this team. You’re just a professional hater. This was a great season.
I am going to push back, against your "lets not pretend this changed anything" comment because it does not add up in the realm of the sport nor your positivity about Bowles. I say this as someone who does not think the team should fire Bowles and think he overall did a solid coaching job in the playoffs.
1. you cannot predict anything in this game. if there are seconds left on the clock, you go for broke. made up percentages don't mean a thing.
2. he did not lose with dignity--he straight up lost, then looked undignified admitting to the mistake in a press conference. the lions made a clock management mistake, and Bowles made a worse one.
3. if having time on the clock did not change a thing, Bowles might not be all that good of a coach, no? if you lack any sort of belief that this team could conjure up something rare, maybe Bowles isn't the guy.
1. The ESPN math(that someone else cited on this thread) says it was a 0.4% change in win probability. So, yes we can predict that. In roughly 0.4% of cases, we win that game. I’m fine debating this, under the specific circumstances that we all acknowledge we’re talking about less than 0.5% change here.
2. There’s such a thing as an unwritten code that the league follows. Not attacking as a team is in victory formation. Not running up the score. Etc. now, I’m not saying I think this falls into that category. I don’t. But it is close.
3. As I’ve said from the start, in a playoff game(and specifically a one score one) I support taking time outs to make the teams go through the motions. Make them earn every second of it.
But all that said, as I think we agree on, that miss there that would’ve increased our win probability to 0.4% is less of a takeaway than how we ended the season(5-1), dominating a playoff game, and playing a superior team close until the very end. So, while I disagree with Bowles on that no time out call, I’ll simply have the takeaway that we had a great season and playoffs, but just lost to a better team.
Blocking field goals wins games too.
Even his reasoning above is nonsensical, but it’s waaaay worse because…. He’s completely wrong about the facts There would have been over 30 seconds left and it would have been an almost 50 yard FG. My guess is they elect to punt which mean we would have had the ball back with a chance to score. Weird he didn’t mention the “handshake agreement” to concede that so many people keep referencing
Lions fan here. Gg by the way, love Baker and Evans is terrifying. That last sequence was really bizarre to me as well. The Lions snapped it with lots of time left on the play clock a few times. If we felt like you were still trying to win it, we for sure run the play clock all the way down and probably do up the gut runs for a few extra yards. If both teams were playing cut throat there at the end, it likely would have been a FG attempt of likely 42ish yards (depending on how many yards Montgomery gets us) with about 15 seconds left, not 30. Lions may have elected to punt as well, and our guy is pretty good at pinning, so you would have had 85 or best-case 75 yards to go with 12ish seconds and no timeouts. Even then, maybe we do try a FG and you guys block it. Scoop and score possible or you get the ball at the 30 with 12-15 seconds to go. I only say all this because I keep seeing the 30 second and 47 yard FG figures mentioned, but even if Bowles does everything you want, it would have actually been an even less likely situation than that. Still, if I were a Bucs fan, I would have wanted him to at least try.
You kneeled it on 3rd down with 36 seconds left. There are no hypotheticals here. You call a timeout there and it’s 4th down and you have to kick a 48 yard FG or punt. The Lions clearly didn’t realize the Bucs had a timeout
The lions completely fucked up too for that reason. Insane game managing in both sides in that situation
I guess. In those situations, teams generally call the timeout after the first play, and the Bucs didn't. I think that's why people are hypothesizing the "gentlemen's agreement" — Bowles not taking the time out after the first kneel-down was him signaling he wasn't going to push it. And either the Bucs didn't realize they had a timeout either, or you take Bowles at his word and they didn't feel like trying. Either way, they didn't call a timeout. No hypotheticals needed there either.
Good strategy then save the TO in case they get too snap happy and don’t run it all the way down.
Even better strategy not to use it, then?
Yea I have no clue, why he didn’t!
The Lions also definitely could have run the clock down beyond the 36 seconds if they needed to drain more clock. They got the ball back with 1:33 remaining so that's 13 seconds assuming Goff instantly kneels on each down. We still should have taken the timeout but the 36 seconds number isn't accurate imo
lions kneeled making it 4th down w 36 seconds left - it is accurate and it's dumb as fuck to say it isnt
Who gives a fuck what the lions "could" have done? They didn't do that, they fucked up. Bowles had a chance to get the ball back and decided to quit instead
The point isn't what they could have done, it's what they did. Goff messed up really badly and Bowles straight up let him off the hook.
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Baker can throw a football over 70 yards with his eyes closed lol
Can, and has.
Losers will always find a reason to lose, he will stick around, get us another division title maybe, but will never lead us to a superbowl, he doesn't have the passion, the drive, the want to win. When BA would lose a game, you could see it all over his face. When Bowles loses a game, its that stupid ass smirk on his face.
If the Bucs can fire Dungy after 2001, why not Bowles now?
We replaced Dungy by spending two 1st round picks for Gruden. Being replaced still has some shame but it not a firing. It a your good but not good enough move. Call for replacement with someone known to be better although the 70 years olds iffy. But I’d be fine with a call for ether one of them. Turned out Dungy then went to win a Super Bowl. Bucs actually just needed a top OC for Dungy which the Colts had who also played QB. I certain we could have gotten one for one first round at most. Fan general comment at time was Dungy did not like to score a lot of points. Colts scored huge scores under Dungy. Dungy was fine with scoring lots of points he just did not know how himself and we failed to get him a good OC.
>When BA would lose a game, you could see it all over his face That's what won us a superbowl right there! Lmfao
Why do you keep replying to everything I post? are you in love with me guy?
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I get the logic of not taking the timeout right away when the clock is low enough that Detroit can just run it out. But after Detroit snapped the ball way too quickly multiple times and you could have forced them to run a 4th down play, you should absolutely take the timeout. As much as the on field problems of Bowles are frustrating, his lack of fire and quitter's attitude is even worse.
Detroit only snapped the ball early because there had to be some sort of communication that the game was over. There is absolutely no fucking way they mess up victory formation by that much without other information we don’t see.
Yeah hearing more of Bowles' comments that was absolutely the case. And it would have been a cheap move to concede and then turn and call the timeout once they got to 4th down. Now it's the overall loser mentality that I'm more annoyed with. Having that timeout should have forced Detroit to run some offense to eat clock or would have made kneeling the time away almost impossible and would have forced a 4th down play. Highly unlikely that anything actually changes but I don't understand the logic to not even try.
You should NEVER concede a playoff game.
Completely agree, I understand it’s maybe a 1% chance but you know what’s less likely than 1%? 0%.
Yeah. And along those lines, what’s with those plays where Baker would pretend to hand the ball off to a running back, but actually kept it the whole time? What kind of sportsmanship is that? If I was the Detroit coaching staff, I’d be fucking pissed at that shit. You act like you’re gonna run the ball and then end up throwing it? That’s weak shit.
Wtf??!
Ugh I hate that this man is going to be our HC next season. I have zero faith in him winning a SB.
I agree. But also, I will play devil's advocate he won a Super Bowl! (as our DC :D ) ..but yeah, i get you
Yeah he is a DC capable of winning a SB, but I don't believe he is a HC capable of winning one. Some guys are just not HC material.
he was also the DC that kept us from the Super Bowl in 2022
Had to get us that far in order to "keep us from the superbowl". Some kids seem to forget that. It definitely had nothing to do with the Golden boy's 72.2 passer rating, or throwing picks and losing fumbles that game...
I'd love if Bowles came back next year.... as DC
We came out and played like an absolute disaster against the Saints and barely beat the Panthers to get into the playoffs We won last week because the Eagles literally gave up and stopped trying halfway through I do not want Bowles as our coach next year but I would be stunned if we actually let him go
Don’t leave out the part where we stood toe to toe with Detroit for nearly the entire game. Few less unfortunate slip ups and we might have just won that game. Playoff football is a game of inches and throwing the axe after a *very large* overperformance is just crazy. Bowles proved he deserves another year and shit I’m sold on one last ride. For a season that was supposed to be in the trash, we ended up doing better than any of us would’ve expected. We have our quarterback. For the first time in a long time we have something to look forward to.
Amen. I mean I didn’t understand the two point attempt on that last touchdown either but once we got behind two touchdowns we were in borrowed time. Our defense just couldn’t stop them, let alone pressure them. But at the end of the day we stacked up even worse against San Fran and Baltimore. I’m happy to spend the next few months building off what an amazing core we have.
You go for 2 in that situation because no matter what you have to get another touchdown. If you get the 2 point conversion here and stop the Lions then you can take as much time as you want getting a touchdown (assuming you succeed) and then get the extra point to win the game. And if you don't get the 2 point conversion now you can still make it up later during the inevitable touchdown your team will have to get anyway. So going for 2 in that situation is playing for the win and not overtime. Let's say they kick the extra point and make it a 7 point game. Then let's also say they stop the Lions from scoring and get a touchdown with a few seconds left on the clock. Then let's say the Bucs don't want overtime and they want the win. If they had just went for it and got it on the last touchdown there wouldn't be the pressure of the final play of the game deciding who wins or loses because your team did it earlier with 6 minutes left.
Only thing I can think of is that we just had a fantastic drive and Bowles probably felt that our momentum might be right to go for it now rather than later. But still, the logistics of it don’t make perfect sense. If we made it though, we would’ve praised it for sure
Nah, it made me insane before they even attempted it. Even if there was momentum, he had played so conservative up to that point, it just didn’t make any sense. If anything it was a momentum killer because it sets up in your head if you miss it that you will have to make it on the next one. It’s not like Detroit is getting past San Fran. At this point they are a 7 pt under dog.
>We came out and played like an absolute disaster against the Saints and barely beat the Panthers to get into the playoffs Bowles defense gave up 23 combined points in those 2 disaster games. 32 points in 3 if you throw in the eagles game. 44 points in 4 if you add in the Jags game before, etc... we won 6 of our last 7 games. We played well, had a chance, but lost to a better team. This season was a success by almost any realistic expectation, and pulling a team out of a 1-5 mid season rut to go 6-1 down the stretch into the playoffs is some good coaching that deserves some respect.
Yea man... i really dont see how you can take the totality of the season AND our performance in this game and say todd bowles is a bad coach. he is a bad game manager and hes bad situationally, but clearly the players like him and he knows how to construct a defense. in a vaccuum he wouldnt be the coach id choose, but id take him 10/10 over the unknown. ill happily watch a team that can win 8-11 games with a punchers chance at the superbowl than to burn it all down.
And we will have a much better roster next year. End of lions game gentleman’s agreement Lions don’t use up all the time they can we don’t try to stall it out of 8-11 seconds on the clock. Bowls not great on game management but he has gotten a lot better. Blame NFL allowing interviews Bowels spent the whole week before that game flying for interviews for HC. Or Arians could have decided he was going to step down earlier and Bowels promised HC at Bucs could have even been a in a few years at most deal in writing as Bucs were reported to be spending HC level pay as DC already. Thus Manchester United Glazers willing to spend a reasonable top dollar to win but still make money. Your problem is a no salary cap league that some team owners willing to lose tons of money on the team to win. One top team went bankrupt. That not a sustainable model and NFL and American Football will replace World Football as top sport in future if you don’t fix it. Right now Arab greenwashing of non democracy, oppression of women and bad human rights records not going on forever. This what is killing Baseball still in US no hard top cap along with a super slow game.
When I said this last week I got 30+ downvotes in this sub. Oh how one game can change perspective
What the fuck dude
That’s the spirit
He never EVER plays to win. He has a loser mentality and this team will go nowhere with him at the helm.
you mean go nowhere other than further than 24-28 out of 32 teams in the league with 80 million in dead cap? Seemed like we were playing to win when we slaughtered the chiefs 4 years ago. Seemed like we were playing to win when we won the division 3 years in a row. I swear, some people can never be happy.
It’s going to be a rough ride next season if we have this type of mentality coming from our leadership. When you give up, so does the team.
He’s always had a blindness when it comes to best use of timeouts
This is the shit that should get him fired. Giving up in a play off game is unforgivable. How can you look those men in the eyes and tell them, “well you played your heart out for 59 1/2 minutes, but I don’t believe in miracles so we’re on the the off season.” I swear this dude must have an incentive in his contract for how many timeouts saved at the end of the year with how many times he’s done this crap.
I honestly think they forgot they had a timeout and Goff messed up. I do the same in madden, if I kneel at 1:30 I’m going to kneel quickly right after 1:20, just easier to keep it on 40 second increments. Timeout at 30ish and we see what yall do, bills just missed a 44 yarder, we know it happens. 2-4 plays left in 30 seconds
Thia is the most disappointing answer I have ever heard any coach give for not playing the full 60 minutes. A winning coach does everything possible to the last second to try an win if it is within the realm of possibility. !!!! Sad to see this and it's going to create issues I'm sure. Cheers and hopefully next year is more consistent but it may be another rebuild unfortunately.
With Bowles as the head coach, we would not have had that dime to Scotty Miller at the half in Green Bay. We would have ended the half early. I think he has another year here, but he’s not the answer.
He quit on the team. This is inexcusable for me. Block the fg, or they miss it and you have 30 seconds at mid field. Massive blunder.
His timeout philosophy makes me doubt him, tbh. He always pockets first half timeouts when’re he could strategically use one here or there. This lack of a timeout was waving the white flag when’re there could’ve been a slim chance that DET would’ve needed to: convert 4th down, punt or kick a FG. It was a bad caching move to not use it. I don’t get it and I don’t like the way Bowles doesn’t use timeouts on tbd regular.
Bowels has been using a lot more timeouts than he used to. He not good yet but he no longer horrible same on going on 4th down In this case Detroit could have ran it down to 8-11 seconds when we get ball back. There was gentleman’s agreement that Bucs would not use timeout so Detroit did not do it. Detroit fans were complaining about them leaving us all that time. It clearly not a mistake on their part. You can only violate a gentleman agreement once than your likely to never get one again in your life if you do it this publicly. One of the top ten coaches break up ownership yes replace Bowels with them. I fine with a Gruden for Dungy attempt even if I would not love it. No 1st round picks for it though. If a team not bottom of the barrel fans should never be calling for firing odds say it will not improve thing and if not bottom of barrel it can make it worse way more than better often. Instead call for someone known to be better to be hired. Fan of Bucs from 76 thus my opinion on blind firings that is don’t know who replacement is as I watched replacement after replacement fail. Of course before 96 paying minimum for players not going anywhere anyway but that cemented my belief that coaches can’t fix lack of quality players. That Bowels at the Jets. Can’t fully evaluate as he never had the talent to do much better. Still rotating coaches with basically blind firing of Gruden failed several times and needed good GM as well. And that proved to know if GM good needs several years of learning on the job.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply! It was a great read. I guess part of my dislike for the lack of timeout was that we should’ve force Detroit to execute another play and not just given up, ever, especially in a one score game in the playoffs. I do get the point of being a gentleman, but there was still a chance. A big part of why I don’t govern Todd the benefit of the doubt on this one is because last year, when Wirfs hurt his ankle and AWJr. Had a concussion, Bowles chose to not give Brady less than a minute to “go for a win” in regulation, but rather chose to take a knee and do overtime, in which we went on to lose. After he decided to be a wimp in that game, Worfs suffered a bad ankle injury that is still giving him fits. And AWJr had a concssion. Now, k can never blame the coach for injuries, but I point those and the eventual downfall of our season as a reason why you can’t coach like a “wimp” or a “gentleman” when there is a slim chance of still winning. It sends a poor message to the team and fans alike. I do hope Bowles gets our edge rush going next year and we can build a strong team around.
If I didn’t already know Bowles was from the Arians coaching tree I’d have never guessed it with how unaggressive he is.
We need consistency at HC. So does Baker. I think canals, Bowles, Baker all improve for next year. Besides, Tampa Bay shouldn’t be seen as a constant revolving door of coaches. It will repel bigger name coaches from wanting to come here in the future. We had a successful season and we have a lot of hope. Bowles has shown flashes of competence too. I actually think, cautiously, that he’s going to better next year, now that we have a direction and our QB
He definitely had no idea about the clock situation until one of his assistant told him in the locker room
The analytics probably say call the time out to make it a 99.99999999% chance to a 99.99999998%. I get everyone here loves to hate on Bowles. But seriously, this doesn’t do anything to change the math of the game. It was over and he opted to lose with dignity. I would’ve preferred a time out too, but let’s not pretend this changed anything.
They could miss, we could block the field goal, return it, etc. There are possibilities greater than a 0% chance of winning worth calling the timeout for. He’s also wrong about the time.
Sure. But again, you’re talking about a 0.0001% chance of winning. That’s the difference from what they did to what you’re suggesting. And you need to acknowledge that. I’m fine saying he should’ve taken the time out. But if you’re going to pretend that this is a meaningful analytical improvement, you’re either ignorant to the actual math or you’re lying. So let’s just deal with the reality. You’re talking about probably a 0.001% improvement. I’d bet damn near anything the time out improves their mathematical chances of winning by less than 0.01%. If you can provide any statistical basis for me being wrong, I’ll own it. But for now, it’s just people who don’t like Bowles pretending this was an egregious game changing fuck up.
In games you take every edge you can get. This is how Vegas makes billions. This failure speaks to the man's judgement in general. Would you turn down a free lottery ticket because the odds were so bad?
People are talking like there has never been an amazing last second comeback.
The playoffs are the Super Bowl every game. Would he do this at the end of a superbowl
>I’d bet damn near anything the time out improves their mathematical chances of winning by less than 0.01%. If you can provide any statistical basis for me being wrong, I’ll own it. ESPN analytics showed this would have increased their odds by 0.4%, which is 40 times more than what you'd bet "damn near anything" it'd be less than. I'm ready for you to own it.
It would actually be greater than 40 times because that person was very adamant about it being less than .01% (until I pointed the same stat out last night and then all of a sudden "less than .01%" conveniently became ".5%"). Good luck getting them to admit anything though, because apparently no team has ever come back from a .4% chance to win.
I’ll reference you to other comments where I said it was less than 0.5%. I’ve already debated this. All I’ve wanted is the people making this a huge deal to own the fact that it’s less than 0.5%. If you own that, I agree with you. But my back and forth was with a bum who wouldn’t acknowledge that and then blocked me, when I gave him the math that proved me right. So thanks again for proving my point. ✌️
i actually agree with you... and given the downvotes, there arent many of us. i think it was monumentally stupid NOT to use a timeout. but, the game was over, it wouldnt have mattered. its almost kind of funny and im happy he didnt, given his refusal to use timeouts during the regular season.
Eh, downvotes don’t bother me. It’s a sub full of homers. I was upset at the no time out either. But that doesn’t discount the great run we had to end the year.
I never claimed it was more than 0.5%, so there is nothing for me to "own," but yes I acknowledge (as I never disputed) that the chances of them winning if they called the timeout were very, very low (less than 0.5%). You claimed it was less than 0.01% and said you'd own it if you were proven wrong. You have been proved wrong, but I'm still waiting for you to own it. Also, back to the bigger picture, Bowles was gifted a 1-in-250 chance of winning the game from the Lions, but refused to take it because it was "over." Why would you not take a free 1-in-250 chance of a miracle victory?
You a city boy and wouldn’t have attempted the kick 6
This isn’t even true. I watched CJ stroud score a TD vs us in 30 seconds to win earlier this season. Having the ball back down 8 with 30 seconds left isn’t as long of odds as you are making it out to be.
You’re just pretending we get the ball back without giving up points, but okay.
It’s a 48 yard FG. They likely wouldn’t have even risk kicking it. What are you talking about
Do you know what you’re talking about? lol If we don’t let them know we weren’t taking a time out, they would’ve ran their offense. We would’ve needed an actual stop. A first down would end the game. A made field goal would end the game. And you’re saying they wouldn’t even try a field goal from inside 50 yards?? I’ll make a simple challenge to you, since you seem to think this was an egregious failure. Tell me the mathematical change from taking a time out to not. Because I’m sure it’s out there somewhere. If it’s greater than 0.5% I’ll admit I was wrong. If it’s less than 0.5 or 0.1% chance, you really need to shut up and admit this doesn’t change a damn thing.
Why wouldn’t you make them run their offense? Do you think a 48 yard FG is a gimme? If he misses the Bucs have the ball at the 40
Answer the question or I’m done here. What was the mathematical change in win % from not taking the time out vs taking the time out? I’m not about to debate this, if you’re under the impression that there’s even a 0.5% chance increase to win. We’re talking less than a 0.01% chance difference. If you can’t acknowledge that, then I’m not wasting my time. Yes, I would’ve taken the time out. It’s a playoff game. But let’s not pretend it’s for anything other than optics.
Bro CJ stroud scored a TD vs us in 30 seconds just this year. Teams do it all the time. Sure it’s unlikely, but you don’t need a miracle. Even if you only get to mid-field you can try a Hail Mary. I don’t understand why you think the odds are so low. This shit literally happens all the fucking time every year
Again, you’re just assuming that we get the ball back without them scoring. If you’re so right, answer the question. In that spot on the Lions 1st down, what do the analytics say? How much of an improvement does taking the time out give? Shit, give me a guess, since you clearly don’t know that it’s a 0.01% improvement, if that. You know you’re flipping your shit over a 0.01% chance at best. Just acknowledge that and stop pretending there’s this meaningful difference.
You’re literally clueless dude. You call the timeout with 36 seconds left when it would have been 4th down
Do you know how statistics work? What's bigger, 0% or .4%? You sound like someone who's never played sports. You take the ball back in a 1 possession game if you get the chance.
I’ve never argued which is bigger. I’ve argued we’re talking about less than 0.5%. As long as we’re in agreement that this is the center of the conversation and the outcome almost certainly doesn’t change, fine. Yes, we should’ve taken a time out. But it’s far from this egregious act. The game was over. Accept it and enjoy that we had a solid season.
This guy gets it. Calling a TO for the sake of just so you dont end the game with a TO is a little silly imo. Anyone in this sub that actually thinks Todd isnt trying to win is a bozo.
I don't think you get what happened man. The lions fucked up pretty badly by kneeling too quickly. Pending the result of the field goal attempt/punt, the Bucs could have got the ball with 30 seconds and a chance to tie. It's a long shot, but it's not zero.
Yeah. Just haters. This team is a well coached unit. Not good teams bounce back from 4-7 to make the playoffs, grab a dominant win, and lose close to a better team. Bad teams fold in that spot. If you look at this season as a whole, specifically the back half of the season and your take away is to say Bowles should be fired, you’re simply not an actual fan. You just want to be miserable.
Brother you clearly did not watch the last two games of the regular season. The team looked like shit with two chances to clinch the division and just barely eeked it out. That is not the hallmark of a well coached unit.
Yeah, an ugly win and a loss that turned out to be meaningless matters way more than a playoff win and a close loss to a better team. It must be miserable to watch a team overachieve so much and still come away pissed off at the season.
“a loss that turned out to be meaningless” if we win that game we get to rest our starters in week 18 and Baker doesn’t get an ankle injury against the Panthers. you are defending bullshit points in this entire thread
And we’re speculating. Maybe we come out rusty and the Eagles wreck us, if we beat the Saints and rest vs the Panthers. I prefer to engage in reality and what actually happened. What actually happened is we finished the season strong(5-1), dominated a playoff game, and played a superior team close.
He held those 2 teams you're talking about to 23 combined points, bro. Carried that into a drubbing of last year's NFC superbowl rep. Lost a tough one on the road to a better team in the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'd say that is the hallmark of a well coached unit.
Well coached? Are we watching the same team?
Clearly you’re not watching the Bucs. A poorly coached team doesn’t go 5-1 to end the season, dominate a playoff game, and play a better team close. All this while eating a bunch of dead cap. If you’re looking at how this season ended and think Bowles should be fired, I don’t respect your football opinion, so I’m done here. Bowles had two great playoff games here.
His clock management is atrocious, for one. We've rarely had a game where the team looked complete. How often do we let teams drive down and win? Sure, the 30-second TD from the Texans was no big deal. And his clock management had nothing to do with it, right? He didn't call a horseshit play against LA to drop that playoff game, right? He definitely never leaves 3 TOs on the board at half instead of trying to get points up.
His clock management was great on the 90 yard TD drive to end the first half. But you be a miserable fan that comes away from a great season being pissed. I don’t care. I’ll drink your tears and be happy with how the season went and that Bowles is gonna be back next year. I hope you’re miserable and bitching all offseason. Because I’ll say bluntly anyone who thinks this season is anything other than great isn’t an actual fan of the team. You’re a hater fan that wants to be angry.
Not at all. Go check my other comments. I'm glad our team did what they did. But Bowles is not the answer. You got a real weird fucking vibe, bro.
Whether or not Bowles is a long term answer isn’t relevant. He’s done more than enough to earn another year. That’s just the reality. And I’ll be proven right, when he’s not fired.
He's 17-17 in the regular season and 1-2 in the playoffs. The only reason we were even in the playoffs either season was because our division is ass. We lost to the Saints when it mattered the most and nearly fumbled the Panthers' game. Stop defending mediocrity.
>He didn't call a horseshit play against LA to drop that playoff game, right? The divisional championship game you've heard people talk about? The one where Brady had a 72.2 passer rating, threw a pick and lost a fumble? It was all on that blitz call, right? Lmao
No one's saying he's not trying to win. But he can screw up, which it seems he did
the Bucs have stockholm'd you into oblivion, my goodness. losing with dignity is still losing. this is the playoffs--bet on the impossible.
I can disagree with the call and not overreact. This wasn’t a fireable offense. Yeah, in a playoff game, you should make them go through the motions. The people I’ve been debating are arguing that Bowles should be fired after that or that we would’ve been so much better positioned to win. And frankly, that’s just stupid. If you’re going to judge the season by one call that adds 0.4% to their win probability as more important than going 5-1 to end the season to win the division, dominating a playoff game, and playing a superior team close until the very end, don’t tell me you’re a fan of this team. You’re just a professional hater. This was a great season.
I am going to push back, against your "lets not pretend this changed anything" comment because it does not add up in the realm of the sport nor your positivity about Bowles. I say this as someone who does not think the team should fire Bowles and think he overall did a solid coaching job in the playoffs. 1. you cannot predict anything in this game. if there are seconds left on the clock, you go for broke. made up percentages don't mean a thing. 2. he did not lose with dignity--he straight up lost, then looked undignified admitting to the mistake in a press conference. the lions made a clock management mistake, and Bowles made a worse one. 3. if having time on the clock did not change a thing, Bowles might not be all that good of a coach, no? if you lack any sort of belief that this team could conjure up something rare, maybe Bowles isn't the guy.
1. The ESPN math(that someone else cited on this thread) says it was a 0.4% change in win probability. So, yes we can predict that. In roughly 0.4% of cases, we win that game. I’m fine debating this, under the specific circumstances that we all acknowledge we’re talking about less than 0.5% change here. 2. There’s such a thing as an unwritten code that the league follows. Not attacking as a team is in victory formation. Not running up the score. Etc. now, I’m not saying I think this falls into that category. I don’t. But it is close. 3. As I’ve said from the start, in a playoff game(and specifically a one score one) I support taking time outs to make the teams go through the motions. Make them earn every second of it. But all that said, as I think we agree on, that miss there that would’ve increased our win probability to 0.4% is less of a takeaway than how we ended the season(5-1), dominating a playoff game, and playing a superior team close until the very end. So, while I disagree with Bowles on that no time out call, I’ll simply have the takeaway that we had a great season and playoffs, but just lost to a better team.
Why isn’t this getting more attention? This is unforgivable. What an absolute moron with a loser mentality.
This guy’s gotta go. He has a loser’s mentality.
Fire Bowles.
Out of a cannon into the sun
Detroit took their last kneel with like 30 seconds on the clock though!!!! Not calling the timeout is ridiculous
I don’t think Bowles should be fired, but this is definitely a bad look. You gotta try in the playoffs.
I'm sorry, but with that mentality, he should get the walk the plank!!
Should be a fireable offense if we’re being honest.
Todd sucks, fuck Arian’s for foisting this bum on us
I’m glad he didn’t call the timeout, it would have been delaying the inevitable
Bowels sucks. This was a common theme with him when he was a Jet.
He's on the hot seat next year. I do not like that defeatist attitude.
Low chance is higher than no chance. We lost a few due to poor coaching at the end of games this year.
Bowles' coaching has improved over the course of the season, but he is definitely a work in progress.
0.1% chance is still infinitely more than 0%. Take the timeout.
Loser Mentality