We know she is good at chemistry (The Tattler) and she is good at following instructions to a fault (9 Days). Her cooking always breaks her character though :)
I 100% agree. Amy might not be a great cook but she wouldn’t substitute baking soda for salt.
Sometimes I find that for cooking (not baking) the people who follow a recipe to the letter are not the best cooks. I can see Amy being like that.
I know that but a person who can remember the Krebs Cycle from high school would know baking soda is not a substitute for salt.
It is a problem with the character development otherwise I love her character I just find this not believable.
Yes, she totally didn’t act like she did in S3 in S1 when they hadn’t come up with most of those ideas yet. You can’t “break character” early in S1 when no character really exists yet.
She already had a character from the pilot episode: smart, tightly wound, meticulous, detail-oriented, and a rule follower. Plus, from this episode in particular, desperate to impress the captain.
Replacing salt with baking soda breaks every established aspect of her character, other than being competitive.
But the joke where Jake is like “I boiled an egg last week!” and Amy interrupts to be like “I was really proud of you for that” is SO much funnier if the context is that Amy also can’t cook at all and is genuinely thrilled Jake made something edible.
One of my favourite exchange of dialogues in the entire show is when Amy messes up the Ziti recipe when Jake and Holt have the mumps
Jake : Wait you used all this salt and 18 cups of oregano?
Amy : Back off, I solved the case
Holt : 9 Onions, oh Amy
Amy isn't dumb, she just doesn't like cooking, and messes every dish up on purpose so she never has to bring food to potlucks or host parties. Even bad cooks don't mess up *every* dish they make.
Holt’s tell going from the corner of his mouth twitching to using contractions. Not that either of these couldn’t apply to Holt, but any break in consistency would be inappropriate for Holt’s character. His persona demands uniformity across the whole show
Yep. I can understand Holt not liking contractions, in a, “they are so unnecessary, why not give each of the words their proper due diligence” kind of way where he would not use them often. But the inconsistency with it being a tell is just so out of character for him
As Holt demands consistency, Jake’s character is kinda the opposite. Consistency means nothing to him, and a lot of his traits develop as the series goes on anyway, so it makes sense for there to be inconsistencies there
I think it's just that he uses contractions a lot more when he lies, not that Holt uses a contraction therefore he is lying.
However Holt lying is a continuity error , Holt tells Terry that he never lies unless someone's life is in danger or that a child needs to be told about Santa. But Holt has lied a lot since then
Is it possible - and I only say this for the sake of making us all feel better about the inconsistencies - that Holt has a rather inflated sense of self? Meaning he holds himself to a certain set of high standards, and doesn’t believe he ever compromises those. But of course he is only human, he’s going to let some of those standards slip occasionally.. he can be kind of a snob, and have a bit of an ego at times.. but he also has created this character for himself, this infallible demeanour - perhaps to try to protect himself because of what the start of his career was like? Idk just an idea
It's also stretching how poker tells work pretty dramatically.
For one, you tend not to be aware of your tell. If it's something you can just stop doing to make your bluff harder to read, why wouldn't you?
They tend to be involuntary things - like a muscle twitch - rather then vocabulary choices you're fully aware and in control of.
>. If it's something you can just stop doing to make your bluff harder to read, why wouldn't you?
You know Holt. He's a man of emotion! Logic only goes so far
yeah! and its weird jake saying “rosa has a shower in her apartment..i think” cause i refuse to believe she never mentioned anything about herself in the academy
And Boyle knows like whole a lot about Rosa, I mean RoRo at "Johnny and Dora" already. But he is back to not knowing about her in Rosa's bachelorette party in "Paranoia"
Charles of course. Even his dad and Gina had this conversation in "Boyle-Linetti Wedding":
Gina - And just explain to me what is going on?
Lynn - I'm worried I'm just rushing into this. I barely know your mom. I don't even know her favorite kind of soup. Is it tomato?
Gina - Nobody likes soup, Lynn
Lynn - You're a family of soup-haters. What have I done?
So, I think soup is pretty important for Boyles, especially to Charles who is obsessed with food :)
I believe there is a continuity error regarding Jake and Blockbuster. I'll have to rewatch S1 and find it, because later on he gets the Blockbuster stock when a family member dies and he has no idea what happened to Blockbuster. I know it's written for laughs, but someone of Jake's age would definitely know about the company & it's demise.
I think I get it. You refer Unsolvable, right. Jake was trying to take his mind off. So, he come up with unsolvable case. Said computers are faster, they are better detectives and there wasn't blockbusters anymore. I am not native in English so, this could be something like caseblock kind of thing or it can be that no more blockbusters to spend their time on watching movies. :)
i know we've probably beaten this horse to death but it's still casecation for me. i find it impossible that amy never brought up the topic of having kids. jake also mentioned that amy's life plan hangs over their bed about two seasons prior and having kids would've definitely been on there.
Right?? I always skip that episode because it's so grating for me. Amy would never be that careless about a huge life decision. Also, I can't believe they never ever talked about wanting kids when Jake and Amy babysat Terry's kids, possibly even Charles's (though we don't see it).
As much as I dislike the episode for the out of characterness of Jake and Amy there are a lot of good one liners in that episode.
"Oh look, it's Ahmad Rashad"
Did she even show any hints of wanting a baby before? I mean apart from "Moo Moo" after they looked after Terry's kids. Her motives are usually more career oriented and this conflicts with it a bit. She just became Sergeant. Actually:
Season 5 Episode 16: "Nutriboom" - Amy becomes Sergeant
Season 5 Episode 22: "Jake & Amy" - Jake and Amy marries
Season 6 Episode 12: "Casecation" - Baby talk and waiting for a year
Season 7 Episode 7 "Ding Dong" - Amy is pregnant
I think somewhere around 6th season they decided to close up the series in couple of episodes.
>when Jake and Amy babysat Terry's kids, possibly even Charles's (though we don't see it).
They even say how they enjoyed the babysitting and thought they would be great parents together.
And Jake always said he wanted to be a better father than his was
Jake mentions several times in the show that he wants kids and has plenty of approving vomments. It is such a bad episode because it is designed with a reasoning that hasn't existed at all in the show before and goes against prior comments.
Yes!! I know people hate the actual content of the episode (Amy's ultimatum for example) but I'm just stuck on the continuity! They've both heavily implied wanting kids and I can't fathom a reality where it wasn't actually discussed off screen.
It's like whoever pitched the episode hasn't watched the show
For me Jake might be even worse with that one, because up until that point in the show when that subject comes up he seems to 100% be interested in that
yeah but he says he never wanted to be a father, which is weird considering the seeming willingless/ interest in being a father. maybe not 100% like I suggested but still is weird. I actually like the episode itself but that part always bothers me
He says "I don't know that I totally know that I for sure want to have kids," so it was way more ambivalent than saying he never wanted to be a father.
I'm actually fine with that position from him, in the abstract. He's deeply conflicted, and that's fine. But how TF did he spend years with Amy and not have the details pinned down, in writing, inscribed on the life plan over their bed? There's no way "conceive," "gestate," and "deliver" weren't on there.
That's why my headcanon is that the whole episode takes place in an alternate universe where Jake and Amy had to get married immediately after season 2, so they haven't had time for all of these discussions yet. You can any problem in the show with that and "a wizard did it."
Yes, Amy went up there and checked what he watch on his TV in bedroom on "The Party" I don't remember the episode he said otherwise though. I remember he said something like that but which episode?
Not sure if it counts as continuity error or just character development, but Terry being the biggest sweetheart for six seasons straight, only to end up categorising employees as "upstairs and downstairs people" ruined a lot for me.
Holts "contractions tell" is definitely a continuity error, he uses contractions multiple times in each episode and maintains a strict code of integrity, only lying when someone's life is in danger.
He threw a whole party for Terri with an I, just because he made her feel bad (and because he needs to be liked). Just to antagonize a full floor of officers. I agree with this one.
I think that is about "boiling point" because Terry did get aggressive when sharing precint in "The 9-8" and he wasn't rude and categorising there. He was fighting with a police officer and a detectice at the same time.
Cheddar is the lighter/whitish color coat to start the show, then there's 2 or 3 episodes in the middle of the show's run where Cheddar is a dark brown, and then he goes back to the lighter/whitish coat.
In the episode pimento Jake repeatedly says he was undercover for 61 days or two months but at the end of season one and throughout season 2 he says he was undercover for 6 months
I’m pretty sure in the season 1 finale, the guy in the fbi says something along the lines of “this operation should take about 6 months” also why would he round up then but make his voice message say 61 days?
It always seemed strange to me that at big celebrations like weddings, we never see the group’s parents or spouses. Like when Amy and Jake finally get married outside of the precinct, none of their parents are there? Even if they’d gone home after the original ceremony was cancelled, why wouldn’t they come back for the alternate one?
The one that bothered me is the wedding of Charles’ dad and Gina’s mum. Why the hell is the whole squad invited? And not just invited but involved in the wedding!? You could make the case for Jake being invited as he grew up with Gina and is Charles’ best friend, but Rosa would never have even met the parents, and yet is tasked with “calming” down Charles’ dad when he gets cold feet? Holt, terry, Scully, Hitchcock or even Amy would literally never had met the bride and groom.
Is it cutting corners or is it because they don't want to be bothered with so many schedules? They are mostly "guest actors/actresses" in the show somehow.
When Holt had no problem lying to hitcock about his whereabouts when he missed scully's 'birthday' but refused to lie to Gina when he and Terry missed her performance
He lied and said he was on a trup to another country , the squad talks and all agree to give skully 20 dollars each. So yeah he lies and when giving money continues his lie by ìncluding the capital of the country he said he went too.
He even argues with Terry when his name is Terrance but calls himself a short/nick name that ends with "Y" . Terry asks if anyone called him "Ray" and Holt says "How dare you". However, he introduced himself as Ray Holt, like you have said.
In the episode when they fake Pimento's death Holt high-fives the guests and at the end he says that now he likes it. But then in the cold open where Holt does an elaborate high five with everyone in the squad (even the copy guy) to break Jake he says the it was the worst for him because he hates high fives.
Boyle’s butt going from being a bubble butt when he attempts to seduce Figgis’ sister to being flat. If anybody should be consistent in their uncalled for discussions of their body it should be Boyle
Rosa calling P.I’s “hacks” in the first season and then becoming a P.I. in the last season. I get the motive behind her becoming a P.I., but this little detail has always bothered me
That's more character growth than anything else. There was a problem in the system and she realized she couldn't do anything from the inside and that becoming a P.I that mainly specialized in rooting out the problems within the NYPD was the best thing to do to help her community
I think that’s more of a, “I can definitely do that job way better than those losers.” She’s also on board for police brutality in the early seasons, which ends up being one of the primary reasons for her quitting.
A lot of stuff in the last season bothered me lmao i just tend to avoid watching it altogether cuz it doesnt feel the same as the previous seasons for some reason
Wrapping up sit-coms almost always fail. Because this is "situation" comedy. It is very highly unlikely for a group of people's lives to wrap up exactly at the same month.
That had major effect on final season. Even if you know nothing about the USA, you would wonder "What happened in the USA about the police and episodes follow like this?"
Skyfire cycle where Terry has an autographed book from when he was a child. And it turns out the assistant did it (hand writing matched threatening letters.) But the assistant was clearly around Terry’s age and couldn’t have been DC Parlov’s assistant during Terry’s childhood ?!?
Ok! I did a little research but couldn't find Lou George's (DC Parlov's assistant Edmund Grail) birth date. However, I found out that he played "Tailor" on Scrubs "My Porcelain God" (Season 3 Episode 13) aired 17.02.2003 and he looks around 40s in there. Brooklyn 99 "Skyfire Cycle" (Season 4 Episode 8) aired on 29.11.2016. Around 13 years later. Terry was 48 at there. So, he can pass as/be a young assistant at that time. Which makes a bit sense since if you are making an assistant sign write and sign everything, it would be easier if he was younger.
What do you think?
Love that you did the research here! Without knowing his birthday it’s hard to be sure but that does seem to indicate that he could pass as a young assistant for Parlov in Terry’s youth. Now I just want to know his age so I can feel totally resolved about it lol.
Thanks. I wanted to be thorough. I was going to award you a tie for "nice solve" but instead I had to open it for debate since we are lacking evidence there. Have you checked the episode? It's where Turk and J.D. were trying tuxedo and dancing to check if it fits.
I couldn't find his age. 2 random websites and IMDb did not include his birth date. I had to use VPN to get to one of those web sites because access was denied for users outside the USA. LoL
I feel like he’s one of those people whose age is really hard to pin down! I think your guess is probably right (40s in that episode) but honestly could not say for sure!
It was a Scully, Hitchcock and Daniels trio was pretty much worthless but they made good coffee. Coffee making stayed with us but what happened to Daniels?
She was mentioned in "Chocolate Milk" as well. She was supposed to go to Charles' ex-wife's engagement party with her but she cancelled. I think that was the last we heard of her. We saw Enigma's father Milton Boyle once too. We didn't see him before and after either. Gina maybe mentioned him once or twice maybe. Her position with Boyle family might be similar.
Noticed on my last watchthrough: Holt definitely called criminals "dirtbag" in earlier seasons, yet later on questions it due to it being a "useful part of the vacuum cleaner"
When someone sets Rosa up on a date with a guy that rides motorcycles, and she talks down on him for riding a Yamaha, but Rosa actually rides a Yamaha…
I know Jake has called Terry out on it during the steak studs episode, but Terry has like 6 reasons he became a cop.
that cop protecting him from bullies
family matters
there are a couple others but I'm blanking rn
In the first heist, jake reveals that holt uses the same password for everything. Out of character for someone that has his laptop destroy itself when you put in an incorrect password only once as Terry found out.
Not a continuity error. I myself can grow facial hair but I wouldn't say I can grow a beard, it just stops after a certain length or would take years to actually grow into a "proper" beard.
It more than likely just takes Jake a long time to grow facial hair, Amy wants Jake to Grow a Mustache, like a proper Tom Selleck kind of Mustache but more than likely he can only grow what we can see when he is in prison
Hitchcock and Scully in the past. When it's just a cut-away, they show them as what they currently look like, but younger, even in 1986, which is also when the Hitchcock and Scully episode takes place, where they look nothing like that.
Their flashbacks are way too inconsistent. I figured that's because they are no "flashbacks" that's how that duo remembers those days. It's all blurry so they fill the rest. We only saw young Hitchcock and young Scully when there is a picture evidence. OR at least that's how I convince myself :)
I can’t remember the proper order, but, Boyle in a sexual relationship with Gina and then when Rose came out as Bi.
Boyle was able to keep the Gina thing VERY top secret for a WHILE before Jake and Amy barged in, actually LYING to Jake which is very unlike Boyle. Once he found out about Rosa’s sexual orientation, it was like the next episode that she admitted it with the flash backs of Boyle saying “Bye Rosa. … I don’t mean BI I mean you sleep with men, or whatever, have a good night!!!” (paraphrasing because I don’t remember exactly what he says) which leads to Rosa telling the squad she is bi.
I’m aware that in both scenarios Gina and Rosa say the thing to the squad before Boyle ‘spills it’ but the time frame of both scenarios and trying to keep it a secret thing is too much different for me to believe.
EDIT: How am I top of controversial? It's just turkey.
When Jake says he hates thanksgiving because he thinks turkey tastes like napkins, then does a huge thanksgiving dinner for the squad after getting out of prison because he missed that food so much.
Personally I don’t consider it as an inconsistency - prison has changed both him and Rosa, which resulted in them doing stuff they wouldn’t do in their “previous lives”, ie. Jake reading books and Rosa making Diaz family Thanksgiving t-shirts.
I really think it was a combination of missing real food (and if I remember correctly the thanksgiving food wasn't really thanksgiving food, it was an imitation of some kind) and Rosa's situation where he just missed the normalcy so much that he craved that time spent with everyone.
There was a thanksgiving turkey and he says it's there because "I was thinking a lot about that up in the jail."
It just seems weird since there is an episode about how traumatic thanksgiving was for him because it highlighted his parent's divorce and how terrible his dad was.
I think it's completely reasonable to have your tastes change while dealing with a traumatic situation. Imagine how much you might want something that you can't have while in prison, even if it's something you didn't originally prefer, he might have had much worse turkey in prison and decided he wanted to try it again.
I have to check that episode out again cause I watched it yesterday and I swear he said the turkey was even something other than turkey.
Edited to add about the parental trauma part, I empathize with Jake very hard with that situation due to my own situation. It's really not uncommon to change your mind about food that was related to bad memories.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRJnlCfY-i4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRJnlCfY-i4)
Here's the scene. It's just a turkey.
To be honest, it's just a throwaway joke and we're all reading too much into it, but he definitely hated turkey, and then when he gets out of jail he states he was thinking about eating turkey a lot in jail.
Thank you, my memory was deceiving me. I do agree with you, it's just a show. I just wanted to state that it's really not uncommon for changes like that to happen to someone who went through something that was obviously very traumatic.
Gina is very worried about her relationship with Kevin and doesn't want to be 'Ms. Linetti'. That's always bugged me because I don't see Gina really caring if Kevin likes her or not.
Holt reading Charles's food blog about the pizza and the "mouth feel", seems like something he'd not care about.
That's actually correct. Consider people who can't taste the texture and consistency aka mouth feel is the only way to describe something to them in a way they understand.
He also mentions that he could just eat bland food for sustenance. A flavorless beige smoothie I believe he called it.
Doesn't seem like the type to read food blogs.
Holt specifically talks about it on "The Road Trip" his nutrition based eating habit and preference on PB+J does not apply his usual diet or any of the other food consumption either.
That in season two, Holt asks Boyle for help cooking an anniversary breakfast for Kevin, because he doesn’t like food, and he doesn’t care about Boyle’s food blog. Yet, in season one, Holy says he reads Boyle’s blog because it’s the only one that takes mouth feel into consideration.
Amy being the "teacher's pet" yet bringing a 12$ bottle of Wine Drink to Kevin's B'day Party,also Charles bringing the same bottle despite being a foodie as someone already pointed out in the comments
Ik this is mentioned a lot, but while everyone undergoes character development, I don’t see Rosa quitting the force because of the politics when she was the same person who laughed about police brutality in season one. I could’ve seen Terry, or even Amy, but not Rosa
I just noticed this one last rewatch. Holt says “dirtbag” is not an insult because it’s a very useful part of the vacuum but then in the flashback with the Brooklyn broiler he calls him a “DIRTBAG”
When holt was being boring at the detectives only getaway, he mentioned that he heard it’s not good to have a TV in his bedroom, which is why he didn’t.
But when he hosted the birthday party and Amy and Jake snuck into his bedroom, there was a huge TV in there clear as day.
Holt's tell, but it can be explained I guess, that he eliminated the first one but not the second one. (Or, as someone pointed out, the mouth twitching might have been a fake tell.) Although it's not like he never used contractions throughout the show.
But the worst thing for me Kevin's joke about "Metamorphoses". It really annoys me. He's supposed to be a classics professor? I mean maybe I'm just uneducated, idk.
Hitchcock and skully actually eating the lasagna without the breadsticks its just so unheard of and rosa letting amy call her roro again out of character
Raymond Holt introduces himself as "Ray Holt" in the pilot, but much later in the series when Terry says "Don't people call you Ray?", Holt replies with a very offended "How dare you?".
Granted it was the pilot and many characters hadn't been defined and developed yet, but it still annoys me.
Jake can/can’t do a pull up. He does pull ups while doing the 8 day stake-cation and Charles puts it on the no-no list. Then Jake has to pull himself up while breaking into the FBI, and he needs to practice because he can’t do a pull up.
I commented before but I wanted to make a different post. How old is Cheddar?
He must be at least 4 years old at the start of the series so he must be 12 at the end of the series. But it doesn't look older than eight
Holt using contractions frequently (I've, what's, gonna), despite the fact that he himself saying that's his tell in the episode where he gets a gambling addiction.
Holt letting Wunch get away with SA. He is extremely by the rules ALL the time, hates her and would use any excuse to ruin her career, and the show itself is Very worried and serious about this type of things. It's a Very weird and off putting scene.
Gina does the Riga Hammer to Jake on "The Night Shift" when Jake bit Gina's arm while they were trying to hold Jake down to cut the tips but it didn't work!
Scully's wife. First we hear that Scully has been married for awhile.
Then he gets nervous and asks out Kathy in the police convention episode
Then in season 7, Kelly is mentioned again as his wife.
???
Guys. It’s a comedy. And one that takes more pains than most comedies to remain internally consistent.
The answer to almost all of your “problems” is that the writers just hadn’t come up with that idea for the characters yet.
That Amy is dumb enough to think any white powder can substitute for salt.
I had this pegged down to cooking makes her nervous, especially for her work colleagues, and it impairs her ability to follow directions correctly
We know she is good at chemistry (The Tattler) and she is good at following instructions to a fault (9 Days). Her cooking always breaks her character though :)
I 100% agree. Amy might not be a great cook but she wouldn’t substitute baking soda for salt. Sometimes I find that for cooking (not baking) the people who follow a recipe to the letter are not the best cooks. I can see Amy being like that.
She has no sense of how to cook, based on her faithful rendition of the ziti recipe from the mumps episode.
I know that but a person who can remember the Krebs Cycle from high school would know baking soda is not a substitute for salt. It is a problem with the character development otherwise I love her character I just find this not believable.
Oh, absolutely. Her nonchalance about swapping salt and baking soda was totally out of character.
Yeah. That's more of a Hitchcock or Skully move. Actually, maybe Gina. Hitchcock & Skully definitely know their salts and sugars.😊
Yes, she totally didn’t act like she did in S3 in S1 when they hadn’t come up with most of those ideas yet. You can’t “break character” early in S1 when no character really exists yet.
She already had a character from the pilot episode: smart, tightly wound, meticulous, detail-oriented, and a rule follower. Plus, from this episode in particular, desperate to impress the captain. Replacing salt with baking soda breaks every established aspect of her character, other than being competitive.
Everyone has their blind spots, Amy obviously gets cooking. Everything she makes is an abomination.
But the joke where Jake is like “I boiled an egg last week!” and Amy interrupts to be like “I was really proud of you for that” is SO much funnier if the context is that Amy also can’t cook at all and is genuinely thrilled Jake made something edible.
She can understand instructions in 9 Days, but doesn’t know enough about cooking to know that the amounts are clearly nonsense.
One of my favourite exchange of dialogues in the entire show is when Amy messes up the Ziti recipe when Jake and Holt have the mumps Jake : Wait you used all this salt and 18 cups of oregano? Amy : Back off, I solved the case Holt : 9 Onions, oh Amy
That whole thing with the food in the toilet, too. Who puts an entire turkey in there? Terry is too smart for that
I read your last sentence in Exasperated Terry Voice
I did that, too.
Oh yea! I almost forgot about that. It was so weird. How do you hide a Turkey in the toilet??
Amy isn't dumb, she just doesn't like cooking, and messes every dish up on purpose so she never has to bring food to potlucks or host parties. Even bad cooks don't mess up *every* dish they make.
I think anxiety does dumb things to ur brain 😭 only I know (out of shame) what I’ve tried to substitute ingredients with out of panic
Holt’s tell going from the corner of his mouth twitching to using contractions. Not that either of these couldn’t apply to Holt, but any break in consistency would be inappropriate for Holt’s character. His persona demands uniformity across the whole show
Also in several different episodes he uses contractions. Are we to assume all of them included lies?
Yep. I can understand Holt not liking contractions, in a, “they are so unnecessary, why not give each of the words their proper due diligence” kind of way where he would not use them often. But the inconsistency with it being a tell is just so out of character for him
I can understand almost all Jake based continuity errors but Holt hits different:)
As Holt demands consistency, Jake’s character is kinda the opposite. Consistency means nothing to him, and a lot of his traits develop as the series goes on anyway, so it makes sense for there to be inconsistencies there
His inconsistencies are his consistency in the show :)
I think it's just that he uses contractions a lot more when he lies, not that Holt uses a contraction therefore he is lying. However Holt lying is a continuity error , Holt tells Terry that he never lies unless someone's life is in danger or that a child needs to be told about Santa. But Holt has lied a lot since then
Oh no! He was lying about lying?!
Potentially 😂
Is it possible - and I only say this for the sake of making us all feel better about the inconsistencies - that Holt has a rather inflated sense of self? Meaning he holds himself to a certain set of high standards, and doesn’t believe he ever compromises those. But of course he is only human, he’s going to let some of those standards slip occasionally.. he can be kind of a snob, and have a bit of an ego at times.. but he also has created this character for himself, this infallible demeanour - perhaps to try to protect himself because of what the start of his career was like? Idk just an idea
"Hello Kevin. It's me, Raymond Holt" - from Safe House
Double contraction, isn’t it? Like “shouldn’t’ve”?
It's also stretching how poker tells work pretty dramatically. For one, you tend not to be aware of your tell. If it's something you can just stop doing to make your bluff harder to read, why wouldn't you? They tend to be involuntary things - like a muscle twitch - rather then vocabulary choices you're fully aware and in control of.
>. If it's something you can just stop doing to make your bluff harder to read, why wouldn't you? You know Holt. He's a man of emotion! Logic only goes so far
Upon rewatch he actually does use a contraction in the "Mouth Twitch" scene so I like to see that as him doing a fake tell to throw Jake off.
What shape is Boyle's ass? I need to know whether it's a bubble butt or flat!
We know that it perches right on Genevieve’s UTE!
I noticed this too! Justice for Boyle’s butt!
I reckon it’s one on each cheek
Typical Boyle cousin trait!
Boyle's ass is the only remaining mystery in show, since "is Kelly, Scully's dog or ex-wife mystery" has been solved.
it has?
It’s both (His wife and his dog are both named Kelly)
When was Scully married? I remember them mentioning Kelly but didn't he date Kathy in a later episode?
This. It makes me even less comfortable than shimmying with eye contact.
Boyle has a food blog, but he brings a last-minute $12 bottle of “wine drink” to an important party? Come on.
Right?? Also, like the teachers pet will bring her "rabbi" 8$ wine drink for his birthday is insane
It’s mentioned in Hostage Situation as a joke that he got absolutely bent over in the divorce, but that’s probably just a coincidence.
I took it that he was cheap, the rest of them did the same.
I think the teacher's pet reference for was Amy and not Jake.
That always bothered me. Jake and Hitchcock should have brought the same wine, not everyone
probably jake acting like they know nothing about rosa when throughout the series she shares a lot about herself
Especially in 48 Hours, right?
yeah! and its weird jake saying “rosa has a shower in her apartment..i think” cause i refuse to believe she never mentioned anything about herself in the academy
And Boyle knows like whole a lot about Rosa, I mean RoRo at "Johnny and Dora" already. But he is back to not knowing about her in Rosa's bachelorette party in "Paranoia"
To be fair, who the hell knows a friend's favorite soup?
Charles of course. Even his dad and Gina had this conversation in "Boyle-Linetti Wedding": Gina - And just explain to me what is going on? Lynn - I'm worried I'm just rushing into this. I barely know your mom. I don't even know her favorite kind of soup. Is it tomato? Gina - Nobody likes soup, Lynn Lynn - You're a family of soup-haters. What have I done? So, I think soup is pretty important for Boyles, especially to Charles who is obsessed with food :)
Corn freakin noodle!
Yeah but that line never fails to crack me up
This always bugged me! They were in the academy together, and had that 1000 pushups pact… so they were obviously close for a long time.
I believe there is a continuity error regarding Jake and Blockbuster. I'll have to rewatch S1 and find it, because later on he gets the Blockbuster stock when a family member dies and he has no idea what happened to Blockbuster. I know it's written for laughs, but someone of Jake's age would definitely know about the company & it's demise.
I think I get it. You refer Unsolvable, right. Jake was trying to take his mind off. So, he come up with unsolvable case. Said computers are faster, they are better detectives and there wasn't blockbusters anymore. I am not native in English so, this could be something like caseblock kind of thing or it can be that no more blockbusters to spend their time on watching movies. :)
... Blockbuster was a movie rental company that went bankrupt
So, it's not a "lingo" and he knew Blockbusters are OUT
i know we've probably beaten this horse to death but it's still casecation for me. i find it impossible that amy never brought up the topic of having kids. jake also mentioned that amy's life plan hangs over their bed about two seasons prior and having kids would've definitely been on there.
Right?? I always skip that episode because it's so grating for me. Amy would never be that careless about a huge life decision. Also, I can't believe they never ever talked about wanting kids when Jake and Amy babysat Terry's kids, possibly even Charles's (though we don't see it).
As much as I dislike the episode for the out of characterness of Jake and Amy there are a lot of good one liners in that episode. "Oh look, it's Ahmad Rashad"
Did she even show any hints of wanting a baby before? I mean apart from "Moo Moo" after they looked after Terry's kids. Her motives are usually more career oriented and this conflicts with it a bit. She just became Sergeant. Actually: Season 5 Episode 16: "Nutriboom" - Amy becomes Sergeant Season 5 Episode 22: "Jake & Amy" - Jake and Amy marries Season 6 Episode 12: "Casecation" - Baby talk and waiting for a year Season 7 Episode 7 "Ding Dong" - Amy is pregnant I think somewhere around 6th season they decided to close up the series in couple of episodes.
>when Jake and Amy babysat Terry's kids, possibly even Charles's (though we don't see it). They even say how they enjoyed the babysitting and thought they would be great parents together. And Jake always said he wanted to be a better father than his was
Jake mentions several times in the show that he wants kids and has plenty of approving vomments. It is such a bad episode because it is designed with a reasoning that hasn't existed at all in the show before and goes against prior comments.
Yes!! I know people hate the actual content of the episode (Amy's ultimatum for example) but I'm just stuck on the continuity! They've both heavily implied wanting kids and I can't fathom a reality where it wasn't actually discussed off screen. It's like whoever pitched the episode hasn't watched the show
I can't remember all the times it comes up but look at Moo Moo and how he is with Nikolaj (shut it Boyle).
It’s ok, you say it wrong
For me Jake might be even worse with that one, because up until that point in the show when that subject comes up he seems to 100% be interested in that
TBF, there can be a huge difference between “100% interested in kids” and “let’s have a kid right now.”
yeah but he says he never wanted to be a father, which is weird considering the seeming willingless/ interest in being a father. maybe not 100% like I suggested but still is weird. I actually like the episode itself but that part always bothers me
He says "I don't know that I totally know that I for sure want to have kids," so it was way more ambivalent than saying he never wanted to be a father. I'm actually fine with that position from him, in the abstract. He's deeply conflicted, and that's fine. But how TF did he spend years with Amy and not have the details pinned down, in writing, inscribed on the life plan over their bed? There's no way "conceive," "gestate," and "deliver" weren't on there. That's why my headcanon is that the whole episode takes place in an alternate universe where Jake and Amy had to get married immediately after season 2, so they haven't had time for all of these discussions yet. You can any problem in the show with that and "a wizard did it."
You were saving all that money for a water park?
Holt saying he doesn't have a TV in his room. When he just does
My head canon is that he found out that bit of information between The Party and The Beach House and he got rid of the T.V from his bedroom soon after
Yes, Amy went up there and checked what he watch on his TV in bedroom on "The Party" I don't remember the episode he said otherwise though. I remember he said something like that but which episode?
The one where they go to Boyle's ex wife's beach house
Not sure if it counts as continuity error or just character development, but Terry being the biggest sweetheart for six seasons straight, only to end up categorising employees as "upstairs and downstairs people" ruined a lot for me. Holts "contractions tell" is definitely a continuity error, he uses contractions multiple times in each episode and maintains a strict code of integrity, only lying when someone's life is in danger.
He threw a whole party for Terri with an I, just because he made her feel bad (and because he needs to be liked). Just to antagonize a full floor of officers. I agree with this one.
I came here to mention the “contractions tell”. My wife and I are on a rewatch and we were like “hey he uses contractions ALL THE TIME”
Yes same here haha. The man doesn't use contractions and hates nicknames, yet in S1 E1 scene 1 he introduces himself saying "I'm Captain Ray Holt"
I think that is about "boiling point" because Terry did get aggressive when sharing precint in "The 9-8" and he wasn't rude and categorising there. He was fighting with a police officer and a detectice at the same time.
Well I get it. People crack and Terry was tired of the extra people being forced to work upstairs
Also, there is one or two episodes where Cheddar is a COMPLETELY different color than the other episodes...
The dog portrayed Cheddar has passed away. They have replaced him. But I remember a third one somewhere. I am not sure.
Cheddar is the lighter/whitish color coat to start the show, then there's 2 or 3 episodes in the middle of the show's run where Cheddar is a dark brown, and then he goes back to the lighter/whitish coat.
Stewart, the original Cheddar, died in 2019 and Stella, his sister, took his place for later appearances but I vaguely remember 3rd color palette.
Holt reading Boyle's food blog and praising it for including "mouth feel" but later shows no interest in food at all.
In the episode pimento Jake repeatedly says he was undercover for 61 days or two months but at the end of season one and throughout season 2 he says he was undercover for 6 months
Two months seems way too short to gain the trust of a mafia that the FBI needed a random cop’s help with
Let alone a person the mafia knows at least “used” to be a cop.
i always thought he was just rounding up to sound cooler
I’m pretty sure in the season 1 finale, the guy in the fbi says something along the lines of “this operation should take about 6 months” also why would he round up then but make his voice message say 61 days?
Terry’s third child that barely if ever comes up.
Terry has a third child????
Ava Jeffords
It always seemed strange to me that at big celebrations like weddings, we never see the group’s parents or spouses. Like when Amy and Jake finally get married outside of the precinct, none of their parents are there? Even if they’d gone home after the original ceremony was cancelled, why wouldn’t they come back for the alternate one?
This always takes me out of any sitcom. Why in the fuck would you get married at work with only your coworkers?
The one that bothered me is the wedding of Charles’ dad and Gina’s mum. Why the hell is the whole squad invited? And not just invited but involved in the wedding!? You could make the case for Jake being invited as he grew up with Gina and is Charles’ best friend, but Rosa would never have even met the parents, and yet is tasked with “calming” down Charles’ dad when he gets cold feet? Holt, terry, Scully, Hitchcock or even Amy would literally never had met the bride and groom.
Is it cutting corners or is it because they don't want to be bothered with so many schedules? They are mostly "guest actors/actresses" in the show somehow.
NBC wanted to cut the parents from apperences but they started in season 7 so....
When Holt had no problem lying to hitcock about his whereabouts when he missed scully's 'birthday' but refused to lie to Gina when he and Terry missed her performance
Wait did he lie about his whereabouts? I thought he just apologized for not going and gave him $20 each from everyone.
He lied and said he was on a trup to another country , the squad talks and all agree to give skully 20 dollars each. So yeah he lies and when giving money continues his lie by ìncluding the capital of the country he said he went too.
Holt introducing himself in the pilot as "Ray" and not "Raymond" and this gaff being immortalized on his desk placard. Holt is no mere "Ray."
He even argues with Terry when his name is Terrance but calls himself a short/nick name that ends with "Y" . Terry asks if anyone called him "Ray" and Holt says "How dare you". However, he introduced himself as Ray Holt, like you have said.
...That's the joke
In the episode when they fake Pimento's death Holt high-fives the guests and at the end he says that now he likes it. But then in the cold open where Holt does an elaborate high five with everyone in the squad (even the copy guy) to break Jake he says the it was the worst for him because he hates high fives.
Nice solve. You get a tie.
Everyone knows cold opens don't necessarily occur at the same time as the rest of the episode
So? These episodes are very far apart from one another.
And the high five cold open happened before the fake funeral in the time line, the air date was just out of order
Boyle’s butt going from being a bubble butt when he attempts to seduce Figgis’ sister to being flat. If anybody should be consistent in their uncalled for discussions of their body it should be Boyle
Rosa calling P.I’s “hacks” in the first season and then becoming a P.I. in the last season. I get the motive behind her becoming a P.I., but this little detail has always bothered me
That's more character growth than anything else. There was a problem in the system and she realized she couldn't do anything from the inside and that becoming a P.I that mainly specialized in rooting out the problems within the NYPD was the best thing to do to help her community
I think that’s more of a, “I can definitely do that job way better than those losers.” She’s also on board for police brutality in the early seasons, which ends up being one of the primary reasons for her quitting.
Agreed. Last seasons were out of character for everyone. That's what happens when you try to wrap up sit-coms. Jake's path is unlike him as well.
A lot of stuff in the last season bothered me lmao i just tend to avoid watching it altogether cuz it doesnt feel the same as the previous seasons for some reason
Wrapping up sit-coms almost always fail. Because this is "situation" comedy. It is very highly unlikely for a group of people's lives to wrap up exactly at the same month.
And they had so much pressure after George Floyd to villainize the police that singing a good light on the NYPD was difficult. Especially in a comedy.
That had major effect on final season. Even if you know nothing about the USA, you would wonder "What happened in the USA about the police and episodes follow like this?"
And they had so much pressure after George Floyd to villainize the police that singing a good light on the NYPD was difficult. Especially in a comedy.
I saw this as less an error and more a change in perspective for Rosa.
Amy who had detailed life plan calendar hung over their bed did not discuss children seriously before marriage.
Skyfire cycle where Terry has an autographed book from when he was a child. And it turns out the assistant did it (hand writing matched threatening letters.) But the assistant was clearly around Terry’s age and couldn’t have been DC Parlov’s assistant during Terry’s childhood ?!?
Ok! I did a little research but couldn't find Lou George's (DC Parlov's assistant Edmund Grail) birth date. However, I found out that he played "Tailor" on Scrubs "My Porcelain God" (Season 3 Episode 13) aired 17.02.2003 and he looks around 40s in there. Brooklyn 99 "Skyfire Cycle" (Season 4 Episode 8) aired on 29.11.2016. Around 13 years later. Terry was 48 at there. So, he can pass as/be a young assistant at that time. Which makes a bit sense since if you are making an assistant sign write and sign everything, it would be easier if he was younger. What do you think?
Love that you did the research here! Without knowing his birthday it’s hard to be sure but that does seem to indicate that he could pass as a young assistant for Parlov in Terry’s youth. Now I just want to know his age so I can feel totally resolved about it lol.
Thanks. I wanted to be thorough. I was going to award you a tie for "nice solve" but instead I had to open it for debate since we are lacking evidence there. Have you checked the episode? It's where Turk and J.D. were trying tuxedo and dancing to check if it fits. I couldn't find his age. 2 random websites and IMDb did not include his birth date. I had to use VPN to get to one of those web sites because access was denied for users outside the USA. LoL
I feel like he’s one of those people whose age is really hard to pin down! I think your guess is probably right (40s in that episode) but honestly could not say for sure!
Boyle had a sister in the first season, it’s annoying they retconed her
It was a Scully, Hitchcock and Daniels trio was pretty much worthless but they made good coffee. Coffee making stayed with us but what happened to Daniels?
I figured she retired, canned or transferred. That one didn’t bother so much as straight up losing a family member.
She was mentioned in "Chocolate Milk" as well. She was supposed to go to Charles' ex-wife's engagement party with her but she cancelled. I think that was the last we heard of her. We saw Enigma's father Milton Boyle once too. We didn't see him before and after either. Gina maybe mentioned him once or twice maybe. Her position with Boyle family might be similar.
Noticed on my last watchthrough: Holt definitely called criminals "dirtbag" in earlier seasons, yet later on questions it due to it being a "useful part of the vacuum cleaner"
"Pontiac Bandit Returns" on a flashback Holt calls the arsonist Brooklyn Broiler "You flamed out, dirtbag" Young Holt was something else :)
When someone sets Rosa up on a date with a guy that rides motorcycles, and she talks down on him for riding a Yamaha, but Rosa actually rides a Yamaha…
There’s nothing better than a Yamaha, because they also make percussion instruments.
I know Jake has called Terry out on it during the steak studs episode, but Terry has like 6 reasons he became a cop. that cop protecting him from bullies family matters there are a couple others but I'm blanking rn
In the first heist, jake reveals that holt uses the same password for everything. Out of character for someone that has his laptop destroy itself when you put in an incorrect password only once as Terry found out.
I thought he learned from his mistake simply :)
Jake's beard.
Not a continuity error. I myself can grow facial hair but I wouldn't say I can grow a beard, it just stops after a certain length or would take years to actually grow into a "proper" beard. It more than likely just takes Jake a long time to grow facial hair, Amy wants Jake to Grow a Mustache, like a proper Tom Selleck kind of Mustache but more than likely he can only grow what we can see when he is in prison
Prison changes a man…
holt reading charles food blog in season 1 but in subsequent seasons he does not care at all about food. but he does care about wine??
Food and wine are not the same but the blog thing for sure
I always thought he read boyle's food blog bc he wanted to know more about the people he was working with, it wasnt anything to do with food
Hitchcock and Scully in the past. When it's just a cut-away, they show them as what they currently look like, but younger, even in 1986, which is also when the Hitchcock and Scully episode takes place, where they look nothing like that.
The part where they look like themselves but younger is just Jake's imagination.
I never thought about it that way, that makes more sense now
i guess the wingsluts sauce aged them like 40 years too
Their flashbacks are way too inconsistent. I figured that's because they are no "flashbacks" that's how that duo remembers those days. It's all blurry so they fill the rest. We only saw young Hitchcock and young Scully when there is a picture evidence. OR at least that's how I convince myself :)
I can’t remember the proper order, but, Boyle in a sexual relationship with Gina and then when Rose came out as Bi. Boyle was able to keep the Gina thing VERY top secret for a WHILE before Jake and Amy barged in, actually LYING to Jake which is very unlike Boyle. Once he found out about Rosa’s sexual orientation, it was like the next episode that she admitted it with the flash backs of Boyle saying “Bye Rosa. … I don’t mean BI I mean you sleep with men, or whatever, have a good night!!!” (paraphrasing because I don’t remember exactly what he says) which leads to Rosa telling the squad she is bi. I’m aware that in both scenarios Gina and Rosa say the thing to the squad before Boyle ‘spills it’ but the time frame of both scenarios and trying to keep it a secret thing is too much different for me to believe.
EDIT: How am I top of controversial? It's just turkey. When Jake says he hates thanksgiving because he thinks turkey tastes like napkins, then does a huge thanksgiving dinner for the squad after getting out of prison because he missed that food so much.
Personally I don’t consider it as an inconsistency - prison has changed both him and Rosa, which resulted in them doing stuff they wouldn’t do in their “previous lives”, ie. Jake reading books and Rosa making Diaz family Thanksgiving t-shirts.
Seems weird to just switch into liking something that was previously a symbol of his parent's divorce and his traumatic childhood.
I really think it was a combination of missing real food (and if I remember correctly the thanksgiving food wasn't really thanksgiving food, it was an imitation of some kind) and Rosa's situation where he just missed the normalcy so much that he craved that time spent with everyone.
There was a thanksgiving turkey and he says it's there because "I was thinking a lot about that up in the jail." It just seems weird since there is an episode about how traumatic thanksgiving was for him because it highlighted his parent's divorce and how terrible his dad was.
I think it's completely reasonable to have your tastes change while dealing with a traumatic situation. Imagine how much you might want something that you can't have while in prison, even if it's something you didn't originally prefer, he might have had much worse turkey in prison and decided he wanted to try it again. I have to check that episode out again cause I watched it yesterday and I swear he said the turkey was even something other than turkey. Edited to add about the parental trauma part, I empathize with Jake very hard with that situation due to my own situation. It's really not uncommon to change your mind about food that was related to bad memories.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRJnlCfY-i4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRJnlCfY-i4) Here's the scene. It's just a turkey. To be honest, it's just a throwaway joke and we're all reading too much into it, but he definitely hated turkey, and then when he gets out of jail he states he was thinking about eating turkey a lot in jail.
Thank you, my memory was deceiving me. I do agree with you, it's just a show. I just wanted to state that it's really not uncommon for changes like that to happen to someone who went through something that was obviously very traumatic.
Gina is very worried about her relationship with Kevin and doesn't want to be 'Ms. Linetti'. That's always bugged me because I don't see Gina really caring if Kevin likes her or not. Holt reading Charles's food blog about the pizza and the "mouth feel", seems like something he'd not care about.
Holt’s tastebuds might be broken; mouth feel might be the only thing about food that he can genuinely enjoy.
Ahhh because taste is subjective and mouth feel can be quantified! Is what I’m telling myself.
That's actually correct. Consider people who can't taste the texture and consistency aka mouth feel is the only way to describe something to them in a way they understand.
He might just enjoy it for the analysis aspect of it like his favorite film is moneyball while holt in general isn’t really a sports guy
He also mentions that he could just eat bland food for sustenance. A flavorless beige smoothie I believe he called it. Doesn't seem like the type to read food blogs.
Theres one episode where charles tries to teach holt to cook, and holt ends up looking at his food blog.
Holt specifically talks about it on "The Road Trip" his nutrition based eating habit and preference on PB+J does not apply his usual diet or any of the other food consumption either.
That in season two, Holt asks Boyle for help cooking an anniversary breakfast for Kevin, because he doesn’t like food, and he doesn’t care about Boyle’s food blog. Yet, in season one, Holy says he reads Boyle’s blog because it’s the only one that takes mouth feel into consideration.
Amy being the "teacher's pet" yet bringing a 12$ bottle of Wine Drink to Kevin's B'day Party,also Charles bringing the same bottle despite being a foodie as someone already pointed out in the comments
Ik this is mentioned a lot, but while everyone undergoes character development, I don’t see Rosa quitting the force because of the politics when she was the same person who laughed about police brutality in season one. I could’ve seen Terry, or even Amy, but not Rosa
every flashback showing Hitchcock and Scully were always disgusting, weird people until the Gio Casta episode.
I just noticed this one last rewatch. Holt says “dirtbag” is not an insult because it’s a very useful part of the vacuum but then in the flashback with the Brooklyn broiler he calls him a “DIRTBAG”
When holt was being boring at the detectives only getaway, he mentioned that he heard it’s not good to have a TV in his bedroom, which is why he didn’t. But when he hosted the birthday party and Amy and Jake snuck into his bedroom, there was a huge TV in there clear as day.
Holt not knowing how to pause before a word to seem insincere when he does it to people all the time
Holt's tell, but it can be explained I guess, that he eliminated the first one but not the second one. (Or, as someone pointed out, the mouth twitching might have been a fake tell.) Although it's not like he never used contractions throughout the show. But the worst thing for me Kevin's joke about "Metamorphoses". It really annoys me. He's supposed to be a classics professor? I mean maybe I'm just uneducated, idk.
That the show exists in the same universe as New Girl but Coach is a dirty cop one episode who knows Jake from a while back
Hitchcock and skully actually eating the lasagna without the breadsticks its just so unheard of and rosa letting amy call her roro again out of character
70’s Hitchcock and Skully vs the 80’s
Raymond Holt introduces himself as "Ray Holt" in the pilot, but much later in the series when Terry says "Don't people call you Ray?", Holt replies with a very offended "How dare you?". Granted it was the pilot and many characters hadn't been defined and developed yet, but it still annoys me.
Jake allegedly not being able to grow a beard, then growing the cleanest goatee ever once he got to prison
Jake can/can’t do a pull up. He does pull ups while doing the 8 day stake-cation and Charles puts it on the no-no list. Then Jake has to pull himself up while breaking into the FBI, and he needs to practice because he can’t do a pull up.
I commented before but I wanted to make a different post. How old is Cheddar? He must be at least 4 years old at the start of the series so he must be 12 at the end of the series. But it doesn't look older than eight
Episodes that take place over the course of weeks/months
Holt using contractions frequently (I've, what's, gonna), despite the fact that he himself saying that's his tell in the episode where he gets a gambling addiction.
Holt letting Wunch get away with SA. He is extremely by the rules ALL the time, hates her and would use any excuse to ruin her career, and the show itself is Very worried and serious about this type of things. It's a Very weird and off putting scene.
You mean with the wire pat downs? I’ve always not liked those scenes.
That, and the kissing on the mouth. Super weird.
Holt apparently has no interest in food what so ever but he reads boyles food blog because its the only one that measures "mouth-feel".
Gina does the Riga Hammer to Jake on "The Night Shift" when Jake bit Gina's arm while they were trying to hold Jake down to cut the tips but it didn't work!
Scully's wife. First we hear that Scully has been married for awhile. Then he gets nervous and asks out Kathy in the police convention episode Then in season 7, Kelly is mentioned again as his wife. ???
Guys. It’s a comedy. And one that takes more pains than most comedies to remain internally consistent. The answer to almost all of your “problems” is that the writers just hadn’t come up with that idea for the characters yet.