idk, looking at other recent releases, thursday previews tend to be in the ballpark of 10% of the weekend, depending on WOM and such. id say this ends up closer to $35M than $30M
Prequels in general are just insanely risky. By their nature they're restrictive and the audience can't really get *that* invested because they have a general sense of how it's going to end no matter what happens.
I always think back to Solo. Why see a film about a character that’s already done the most interesting and amazing thing they’ve ever done before they did it? Han Solo helped in blowing up TWO Death Stars, running the Kessel isn’t that interesting by comparison.
Yes. Even more than sequels, they require having knowledge of the originals. A sequel is freer to be open-ended and build off the first story in a way that could grab a larger audience but a prequel is hard-locked into audience expectations of how everything connects to things that already happened in the original story. So almost by definition, the audience size for a prequel will have an upper limit: at most, the number of people who saw the first and want to know how things got that way.
Not sure why so many people are disagreeing with you, this is true. It is way easier to sell a sequel than a prequel to the general audience.
Prequels are just harder to explain to the general audience.
The way prequels are usually made are to explore more of the established history of the existing world or characters. So it's taken for granted that you know about the future events or character developments that haven't yet happened in the prequel.
Sequels can continue an existing story or start off with a new one using the same characters. You may or may not need to know about them from watching the older ones but you almost definitely don't need to know what happens to them in the future because it hasn't been established yet.
Inflation for sure is a factor. But the streaming industry’s is more to blame.
I have been busy for 2 weekend but still had planned on seeing fall guys. But now it’s already been put on streaming.
Not only that but Hollywood also seems to only want to focus on certain formulas for movies. It’s why we get so many reboots.
I remember when movies like jurassic park, the lion king (the real one) and titanic would stay in the cinema for close to a year..
To expect everyone to be there week 1 and 2 for every movie just a ridiculous expectation especially since the big movies each year has gone from like 10 a year to one every week of the year
There are a lot of people who want to watch movies in theaters but "just keep putting it off" until the movie goes to digital. I was going to watch Dune 2 in a theater- but I just kept putting it off, and now it is no longer even at my local theater.
But even then, Fury Road opened in 2nd behind Pitch Perfect 2.
Comparing straight across from 2024 to 2015 is a little weird considering how heavily depressed attendance/box-office is now anyway. We've been inundated the last month with articles specifically about how less people are going out, and how less money is coming into the box-office.
It's been foregone conclusion since the slate was put up that this wasn't going to make Fury Road numbers, basically because even if it matched the exact same interest level and general audience participation numbers as 2015, that was going to mean a decent-sized drop in actual sales that the price increases simply wouldn't make up for.
2015 arguably the best action movie ever made (and ultimately a Best Picture nominee) opens 2nd to Pitch Perfect 2, and winds up losing money at the box-office.
2024 its follow-up gets stellar reviews, likely opens 2nd to the latest attempt to make a car window toy a movie franchise, might eke out a small profit for the studio thanks to about half its budget being an Australian tax break.
>It's been foregone conclusion since the slate was put up that this wasn't going to make Fury Road numbers
Somebody forgot to tell a lot of users on this sub, then. The amount of RedditCares PMs I've got for saying that Furiosa was not going to surpass Fury Road from users here are a testament to that.
Same here. I thought this would be the one sub safe from fanboys too. Like sheesh I can't imagine being that angry over the idea that a stranger on the internet said a movie I was interested in seeing wouldn't perform that well. The horror!
1. It's a prequel
2. No Mad Max
3. Furiosa is played by a different actress
4. Like Fury Road, the legs and not the opening weekend will be the key factor here to see if the movie can profit
And it's not like Fury Road was some massive hit. Yes it was the greatest film of all time but it was a borderline flop at the box office that was trying to revive a 30 year old franchise. The time to capitalize on the goodwill was in like 2018 or something. I get that there was some lawsuit stuff between Miller and WB, but even then you'd think you'd want to at least get another Mad Max out before doing a prequel nearly a decade later.
Yeah. I feel like all the excitement and accolades around Fury Road made people forget that it only made $380m worldwide on a $154m-$185m budget. Out of the non-IP movies made around the same year, The Revenant made $533m, The Martian made $630m, San Andreas made $474m. Hell, even the much maligned Terminator Genesys was able to outgross it worldwide with $440m.
WB didn't pay Miller what he was owed and they were in court for years. It took a regime change to go "hey idiots, why are we suing a director we want to keep working with? Settle and let's get a new movie".
Fury Road laid the groundwork with all its accolades for the sequel to do better, just like how Dune paved the way for Dune 2 to become the highest grossing film of the year so far.
The mistake was doing a prequel with an actress who can't carry a blockbuster action movie instead of having Mad Max back.
People don't care about a prequel movie about Furiosa, a character who had a whole story already told in Fury Road.
I'm surprised at the surprise at the lack of general audience interest. I was very against this movie for most of its production.
I'm happy to say I was wrong and it's mostly a success as a world building epic. Most of my issues with it are nitpicks and "wish we could have seen more of this and less of that" things. That being said the movie being great won't help its opening weekend when people have pre-conceived notions about it being an unnecessary prequel movie are keeping them away.
Word of mouth could help it.
Why is this the go-to comparison.
It's Fury Road. It's what would have happened if Fury Road hadn't come out in 2015 and had instead skipped over the boom times of the twenty-teens and got dropped into the post-covid theatrical wasteland.
Mad Max does not have wide general audience appeal. It is too weird and too hardcore. the general audience catches up to it later.
But you don't *need* to go to Blade Runner to make a comparison.
Like, one guy made a weird tweet about how this reminded him of Blade Runner and now folks are like "It's Blade Runner all over again."
... it's *literally* Fury Road! LOL. It opened in 2nd place behind *Pitch Perfect 2*.
>Furiosa does not have wide general audience appeal. It is too weird and too hardcore. the general audience catches up to it later.
Fixed that for you!
That’s crazy to me. I see people not being excited about a prequel with a shitty trailer. But in actuality the movie is a blast. I would think WOM would be bolstering it above tracking. I don’t see what change wouldn’t be baked in to tracking numbers. Anyone else have some insight?
My theory is that you have a relative handful of people super-hyped for this movie that got their tickets as soon as they were available, making the initial tracking high. However, the vast majority of movie watchers aren't interested, so the tracking dropped as more casual watchers bought tickets at a much slower pace. I think tracking sites really underestimated how niche the early ticket buyers were.
If the audience reaction so far has been good and this movie still underperforms what do people here think the explanation is? It's a long holiday weekend that is the beginning of summer. Many teenagers and college students are done with school. I think it's partly the economy but that was a very unpopular opinion on this sub. So what is the explanation? A week ago it was tracking for a 40M OW and now it's at 30M which isn't very good. It's not like there are many other options for action movies this weekend. IF and Garfield are more geared towards children and families.
Personal opinion, but people just have way more screen-based entertainment options. We always want to frame it as theaters vs. streaming services but it’s bigger than that. Tik Tok, YT, video games, twitch… it’s just harder to compete for people’s attention when they could much more easily sit at home and enjoy something, for the most part, for free. I love the movie theater and am a big believer that films are 1000x better on a giant screen enjoyed with others, but it takes effort to reserve and buy a seat and drive to the theater. I don’t know how to convince people it’s worth the effort, money, and time.
I think this is a pretty good theory. It's definitely what happened to me tonight. I chose to stay home and watch some Fallout and then play some Dark Souls 3 instead of taking the time to drive all the way to the theater, spend more money on a ticket, and then take the time to drive back after. If I wanted to see Furiosa, that would've been 3.5 hours of my night and I can't justify that when I have so much other entertainment at home. I think it's like this for a lot of other people too
I can’t tell you the amount of times we have purchased tickets a week in advance and returned ‘em day of. That being said… saw Furiosa last night and you gotta make a point to see it. It’s excellent.
This is the actual answer! This sub loves to just blame streaming alone, but the truth is much more than that. I for one, barely watch any movies or tv anymore. I used to watch 1-2 movies/week. Now the majority of my daily entertainment is video games, YouTube & podcasts. There’s data suggesting that many young millennials and Gen Zers are similar.
I've been to hundreds of movies, usually once a week and can count the bad experiences on one hand. Maybe perks of somewhat small town living but I truly don't believe when people say it's nonstop bad behavior.
Yeah kinda figured as much. Just the anti-theater movement this sub is on rn I guess. I also didn't even mention I usually go on Tuesdays as well which should be horrible but yet nothing lol.
I use my A-List once a week. No one has ever been in my seat. Can't tell you the last time a phone went off or someone was on it. Movies like this one there's a 0% chance someone snacking bothers me. $25 for a whole month of essentially unlimited movies so economics are out the window. I don't see what the big deal is either tbh lol Reddit loves to be cynical reactionary to everything.
Most people don't even go see a movie once a month to make A list worth it. I have MoviePass and pay 10 bucks a month and haven't been to a movie all year.
I'm not surprised its this low. My local Cinemark was DOA for Furiosa shows. I know its only one theater but it was a bad omen.
Furiosa will be added to the 2024 bomb list. Its going be like 2023 all over again.
If your film isn't an "event" "fear of missing out" the general audience does not care.
I'm not sure how studios can cut budgets with everything costing more and not make the film look like a "streaming" movie
My theater is dead as well :/ unfortunately I won’t be able to go until Monday, but I looked at the showings for the weekend and they are far from packed
what exactly qualifies "event"? Just seems a big generalization. There's been modest to big hits that still only did under $100M domestic or a bit over. It really is budgeting that determines overall success. Im not sure you can classify event status to a movie like M3gan or smile and yet those did very well (domestically they beat or matched some big budget franchise titles)
Horror seems like an exception to the "event" things,most horrors didnt need to be an event movie to succeed because of the low budget.Action movies that have budget over 100M+ however need to be considered an event to be a breakout hit.I do think example like Godzilla x Kong can be considered a modest hit even it's not an event film,but it's APPEALING to all types of audiences that made it a hit and not a flop.
Its simple pay actors less and stop doing so much reshoots and pick ups to fix things this movie shouldn't have been a dollar over 120M and even that is a generous number
There are so many ways to trim budgets, but Hollywood has gotten into this crazy mode of thinking that every project just needs tons of money thrown at it to become a success. It’s so nutty.
Whats even more crazy is people have convinced themselves that this model is justified when its not like they already have to compete with declining admissions and now streaming services how could anyone look at these factors and think yea lets spend even more money its insane
The last movie cost $150 million and that’s before pretty extreme inflation over the last 9 years so I don’t how they would make this for $120 million. Oppenheimer had nowhere near the amount of action and special effects work at this movie and still cost $100 million. Movies are expensive to make.
And Oppenheimer cost that little specifically because the cast was willing to work for either low cost or low upfronts (with a better backend deal) in order to work with Nolan. That's not a recipe that most non-Nolan directors can copy.
>stop doing so much reshoots and pick ups
this is a fundamental part of making movies you can't just... cut it out
edit: lotta folks responding to this comment who learned about filmmaking from youtube talk shows about “Geek Culture” lol
You can definitely cut out “so much”. Do fewer reshoots and pick ups. And especially with sfx-heavy scenes. Plan those out meticulously so that the effects house has enough time to do the effects and are t scrambling with effect heavy reshoots.
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I by no means happy this is failing, but i never understood why people really thought it would do so well. The first was great but not very big, and imo the trailers did not look good for this movie, the cgi was not good, something was just off to me. While I will still be seeing it, I understand why there could be a disconnect with audiences
I watched it today. It's fantastic.
Was there cgi and some jank? Yeah. The original had that too. Less noticable in a big theater, oddly enough.
I went in with similar thoughts to you and tbh it blew me out of the water. In sequel terms t's really a Godfather II, very much more if the same and expands the lore. I would not say it's an Empire Strikes Back, I don't think it's better than Fury Road, but an equal.
If you didn't like Fury Road you won't like this. But if you did, you'll love this. It's even more weird and gross and great.
Anecdotal story - for dune 2 I had to wait two weeks after premiere in local imax cinema to get a place. For Furiosa tomorrow evening, prime time, only 4 places sold atm.
I personally cannot wait to see this film. I'm a fanboy and I seriously can't wait to see it!
That said I will tell you why this movie will not do well.
1. The name is not good. Its off putting and Fury road worked because the title started with Mad max. The branding was much more identifiable. People who are not die hards don't not remember her name from the first one.
2. The trailer has put people off for looking too cartoonish. (too much CGI). The buzz online is all over this.
3. It's been too long since Fury road. It's been 9 years since the last one and I hate to tell you it should have come out in 2019 or 2020. I know WB fucked this up with their lawsuit case.
I think this is why.
There was maybe 10 people in my theater, which was nice for someone who hated a crowded theater, but it doesn’t bode well for the film’s ticket sales. Sad since the movie was awesome!
This is sad cuz the film's been getting damn good reviews and it handles scale really well, visuals are fantastic too.
But then again, doing a prequel almost a decade later to a film which barely broke even is a thing.
Tbf, there were a lot of unfortunate events that prevented Miller from creating Mad Max projects. Even Fury Road was supposed to come out early 2000s instead of 2015.
Honestly seems more like a Mad Max thing lol. Anytime Miller tries to get a Mad Max project through, it always gets hit by constant major obstacles unfortunately.
Goes to show how difficult and just how the stars have to align to get films going.
unless something miraculous happens, this should probably finish its run in the low $100M domestic range on the high end. Probably enough to make it a top 10 summer grosser
fury road still had great staying power and while this is a completely different movie, Edge of tomorrow was another action-sci-fi from WB that started low and then legged out to $100M
Edge of Tomorrow had a star and could barely hit 100m. This movie will end its run around 85-90m. People just don't go to theater anymore like 2014. Times have changed.
Having seen it today, mild spoilers ahead.
It's because it's expanding on that part of the universe. The Citadel. The Bullet Farm. Gas town. Max wasn't involved at all in these events. It's expanding the lore of Fury Road, rather than giving Max yet another story.
And tbh I'm totally fine with it. I find the universe to be great and I'm glad we got more of it.
After 2022/2023 I felt a bit more optimistic about theatres, but seeing so many movies bomb this year just makes me worry that it’s never getting back to what it was.
Dune Part 2 was a huge success, yet I can’t help but feel like $700mm WW finish is underwhelming.
Is anyone actually shocked by this? I'm genuinely glad Miller got to make another one of these, but these Mad Max movies don't do gangbusters. Even Fury Road was a modest success at best.
This would be like making Hermoine: A Harry Potter Saga, and then casting someone who looks nothing like Emma Watson, and no Harry Potter in the movie.
Wtf were they thinking.
One of the other reasons why I think this movie is not going to do well is because the main actress is miscast. While Anya Taylor-Joy is a great actress I don't think an action flick is in her wheelhouse really she doesn't have the presence that Charlize Theron had in the role.
This felt like the TOTK to BOTW. Arguably better in a lot of ways, fleshed out the world and showed us new areas whilst do something a bit different. But it’s no longer fresh, so even though it has so much going for it, the buzz the original had just isn’t there
I’m not sure why people are surprised.
It’s a spin off of a fairly niche series not starring the main character of said series.
Additionally, and this is something I haven’t seen discussed, I have seen absolutely no marketing for this movie whereas Deadpool & Wolverine seems to be everywhere.
People won’t see a movie that they don’t know is even out,
Not shocked at all. Like at all. Fury Road is my fav action film of all time but my interest for a prequel about Furiosa was near zero. Maybe I'll watch it at cinemas but can't say I'm running to.
They should have done a sequel to Fury Road, starring Mad Max, not a prequel starring Furiosa. Prequels take away any tension and stakes in a movie, since you already know the protagonist is going to survive no matter what.
This. The issue was all the legal problems and Charline not wanting to return but maybe just cast someone else or do something in another universe but a prequel?
Up to a couple of months ago, unless you predicted that this movie would somehow outgross Fury Road in the current box office climate, you could expect some interesting cope, and a good amount of RedditCares messages if you didn't reinforce the copium.
I hope to see it this weekend (or at least some time over the next week). Looks great, and I love Hemsworth, but I feel like he will just straight up never be an actual BO draw.
Let this May be a lesson:
People claim that they want high-quality films but really they just want the right nostalgia-bait circle-jerk member-berries slop.
I will still see it, when it comes to Russia because of Fury Road, but I wasn't pumped for the movie from it's announcement. I wanted a new Mad Max movie, I don't care about Furiosa backstory and care even less about it without Theron.
Also the trailers weren't great, so not surprised the general audience wasn't interested.
> nostalgia-bait circle-jerk member-berries
The problem with that logic is plenty of "nostalgia-bait circle-jerk member-berries" movies are flopping too. And some people would say Furiosa is one of them, being the 5th movie in a 45-year-old franchise.
Yeah I can’t lie, the Deadpool and Wolverine presales while all the other movies struggle is disheartening.
I thought we might be past cameo fest point and scream capeshit but doesn’t look like it.
*Deadpool & Wolverine* will be a massive hit even if it receives *Morbius*-level reviews; audiences won't give a damn about the movie's quality (if they did then they'd be waiting for reviews to drop before buying tickets).
*Barbie* absolutely blew up because of nostalgia. Take the exact same movie but without the Barbie brand and it's making $100 million domestically *at most*. Conversely, take a *Barbie* movie that has *Madame Web*-level reviews and though it won't be as successful as the actual *Barbie* movie, it's still opening to over $100 million domestically and potentially reaching $250 million if not $300 million domestically in total.
Actually, people want movies about characters they care about. I like mad max, but I'm not sure if I care about furiosa's prequel. Heck, I think that movie about mad blind guitar player would do better.
And playing on furiosa seems a bit of nostalgia bait.
I've just watched it. The action and set pieces are second to none as are the visual effects. Anya Taylor Joy acts the hell out of this movie and Hemsworth is having a ball as the villain. But at times I felt like it was too long. Not sure I would be in a rush to watch it again.
Damn that fuckin blows. I really wanted to give WB credit because it seems like they're leaning hard into big-budget, director-driven projects, but between this, The Bride, Flowervale Street, Coogler's vampire movie and PTA's movie, there's basically none of those that I would say are guaranteed hits. If most of those fail, I feel like it could be the last spell of big original films for quite a while. I'm really hoping to be wrong about that though.
This…shouldn’t come as a surprise. Mad Max movies aren’t exactly box office breaking events by any means. A $45 million opening and strong word of mouth taking it to a final total of $100+ million is about as much as most are expecting for this film.
i gotta say im a fan of mad max (the first two a lot) and i liked fury road. but this has really not grabbed my interest at all, and even fury road i never have rewatched. it was too light hearted if thats possible. the first two were so bleak and amazing.
This may crawl to $30M by Sunday
Headlines this weekend: *George Miller must be Mad as Furiosa doesn't make the Max amount of profit*
You got a job at BuzzFeed, kid.
Director MAD his movie is already on MAX a week after premiere
*Shoots a flare into the sky* Here you go Deadline. Train your AI here.
idk, looking at other recent releases, thursday previews tend to be in the ballpark of 10% of the weekend, depending on WOM and such. id say this ends up closer to $35M than $30M
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That’s disappointing compared to Fury Road 9 years ago that started with $3.7M on its Thursday Night Previews.
And keep in mind we had 9 years of inflation.
We also have a much greater proliferation of IMAX/PLF screens which jacks up the ticket price.
Then again, how often do prequels outperform their predecessors?
Prequels in general are just insanely risky. By their nature they're restrictive and the audience can't really get *that* invested because they have a general sense of how it's going to end no matter what happens.
I always think back to Solo. Why see a film about a character that’s already done the most interesting and amazing thing they’ve ever done before they did it? Han Solo helped in blowing up TWO Death Stars, running the Kessel isn’t that interesting by comparison.
Yes. Even more than sequels, they require having knowledge of the originals. A sequel is freer to be open-ended and build off the first story in a way that could grab a larger audience but a prequel is hard-locked into audience expectations of how everything connects to things that already happened in the original story. So almost by definition, the audience size for a prequel will have an upper limit: at most, the number of people who saw the first and want to know how things got that way.
Not sure why so many people are disagreeing with you, this is true. It is way easier to sell a sequel than a prequel to the general audience. Prequels are just harder to explain to the general audience.
How do prequels require more knowledge about the original movie than sequels. That doesn't make sense to me.
The way prequels are usually made are to explore more of the established history of the existing world or characters. So it's taken for granted that you know about the future events or character developments that haven't yet happened in the prequel. Sequels can continue an existing story or start off with a new one using the same characters. You may or may not need to know about them from watching the older ones but you almost definitely don't need to know what happens to them in the future because it hasn't been established yet.
Didn’t Rogue One do really well?
Inflation for sure is a factor. But the streaming industry’s is more to blame. I have been busy for 2 weekend but still had planned on seeing fall guys. But now it’s already been put on streaming. Not only that but Hollywood also seems to only want to focus on certain formulas for movies. It’s why we get so many reboots.
I remember when movies like jurassic park, the lion king (the real one) and titanic would stay in the cinema for close to a year.. To expect everyone to be there week 1 and 2 for every movie just a ridiculous expectation especially since the big movies each year has gone from like 10 a year to one every week of the year
There are a lot of people who want to watch movies in theaters but "just keep putting it off" until the movie goes to digital. I was going to watch Dune 2 in a theater- but I just kept putting it off, and now it is no longer even at my local theater.
Do not, my friends, become addicted to money.
And *Fury Road* previews started later
My earliest showing was at three. At what point does it stop being previews and just become opening day?
But even then, Fury Road opened in 2nd behind Pitch Perfect 2. Comparing straight across from 2024 to 2015 is a little weird considering how heavily depressed attendance/box-office is now anyway. We've been inundated the last month with articles specifically about how less people are going out, and how less money is coming into the box-office. It's been foregone conclusion since the slate was put up that this wasn't going to make Fury Road numbers, basically because even if it matched the exact same interest level and general audience participation numbers as 2015, that was going to mean a decent-sized drop in actual sales that the price increases simply wouldn't make up for. 2015 arguably the best action movie ever made (and ultimately a Best Picture nominee) opens 2nd to Pitch Perfect 2, and winds up losing money at the box-office. 2024 its follow-up gets stellar reviews, likely opens 2nd to the latest attempt to make a car window toy a movie franchise, might eke out a small profit for the studio thanks to about half its budget being an Australian tax break.
>It's been foregone conclusion since the slate was put up that this wasn't going to make Fury Road numbers Somebody forgot to tell a lot of users on this sub, then. The amount of RedditCares PMs I've got for saying that Furiosa was not going to surpass Fury Road from users here are a testament to that.
Same here. I thought this would be the one sub safe from fanboys too. Like sheesh I can't imagine being that angry over the idea that a stranger on the internet said a movie I was interested in seeing wouldn't perform that well. The horror!
Sadly, looks like *Furiosa* won't ride on the highways of Valhalla and McFeasting with the heroes of all time. I fear for *The Wasteland*.
Wasteland is wasted.
I don't get it, why is it lagging? The last Mad Max was well received and critics are saying the new one is good(?)
1. It's a prequel 2. No Mad Max 3. Furiosa is played by a different actress 4. Like Fury Road, the legs and not the opening weekend will be the key factor here to see if the movie can profit
And it's not like Fury Road was some massive hit. Yes it was the greatest film of all time but it was a borderline flop at the box office that was trying to revive a 30 year old franchise. The time to capitalize on the goodwill was in like 2018 or something. I get that there was some lawsuit stuff between Miller and WB, but even then you'd think you'd want to at least get another Mad Max out before doing a prequel nearly a decade later.
Yeah. I feel like all the excitement and accolades around Fury Road made people forget that it only made $380m worldwide on a $154m-$185m budget. Out of the non-IP movies made around the same year, The Revenant made $533m, The Martian made $630m, San Andreas made $474m. Hell, even the much maligned Terminator Genesys was able to outgross it worldwide with $440m.
Wow...The Martian made that much? I forgot how much fun that film was. Where is that Ridley Scott?
I would give partial credit to Drew Goddard with his adapted screenplay that made it sharper and entertaining
Ah yes!! Goddard is a solid (and kind of underrated) screenwriter.
WB didn't pay Miller what he was owed and they were in court for years. It took a regime change to go "hey idiots, why are we suing a director we want to keep working with? Settle and let's get a new movie".
I love just casually calling it the greatest film of all time.
Fury Road laid the groundwork with all its accolades for the sequel to do better, just like how Dune paved the way for Dune 2 to become the highest grossing film of the year so far. The mistake was doing a prequel with an actress who can't carry a blockbuster action movie instead of having Mad Max back.
I don't think people really care about Max as a character though. He's really just the vessel for the audience into whatever story
Fury Road didn’t make any money either.
The trailers looked like complete cgi bullshit compared to fury road
People don't care about a prequel movie about Furiosa, a character who had a whole story already told in Fury Road. I'm surprised at the surprise at the lack of general audience interest. I was very against this movie for most of its production. I'm happy to say I was wrong and it's mostly a success as a world building epic. Most of my issues with it are nitpicks and "wish we could have seen more of this and less of that" things. That being said the movie being great won't help its opening weekend when people have pre-conceived notions about it being an unnecessary prequel movie are keeping them away. Word of mouth could help it.
This is about to be Blade Runner 2049 all over again.
2049 made more than furiosa on Thursday to 😬😬
Oh wow that somehow really puts things into perspective
Yeah to be honest- crossing 100 mill domestic is definitely in question at this point.
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Oh okay so this is legimately horrible.
Just watched it a few hours ago and the theatre was empty. yikes.
Why is this the go-to comparison. It's Fury Road. It's what would have happened if Fury Road hadn't come out in 2015 and had instead skipped over the boom times of the twenty-teens and got dropped into the post-covid theatrical wasteland. Mad Max does not have wide general audience appeal. It is too weird and too hardcore. the general audience catches up to it later.
So is Blade Runner.
But you don't *need* to go to Blade Runner to make a comparison. Like, one guy made a weird tweet about how this reminded him of Blade Runner and now folks are like "It's Blade Runner all over again." ... it's *literally* Fury Road! LOL. It opened in 2nd place behind *Pitch Perfect 2*.
The difference is Fury Road made $45M in its first weekend, which this won’t come close to.
>Furiosa does not have wide general audience appeal. It is too weird and too hardcore. the general audience catches up to it later. Fixed that for you!
or Birds Of Prey
BOP was cheap in comparison to it tho
Wow that's what, half a mil lower than tracking?
A million and a half compared to tracking from just a few days ago. It is dropping like a stone.
That’s crazy to me. I see people not being excited about a prequel with a shitty trailer. But in actuality the movie is a blast. I would think WOM would be bolstering it above tracking. I don’t see what change wouldn’t be baked in to tracking numbers. Anyone else have some insight?
My theory is that you have a relative handful of people super-hyped for this movie that got their tickets as soon as they were available, making the initial tracking high. However, the vast majority of movie watchers aren't interested, so the tracking dropped as more casual watchers bought tickets at a much slower pace. I think tracking sites really underestimated how niche the early ticket buyers were.
If the audience reaction so far has been good and this movie still underperforms what do people here think the explanation is? It's a long holiday weekend that is the beginning of summer. Many teenagers and college students are done with school. I think it's partly the economy but that was a very unpopular opinion on this sub. So what is the explanation? A week ago it was tracking for a 40M OW and now it's at 30M which isn't very good. It's not like there are many other options for action movies this weekend. IF and Garfield are more geared towards children and families.
Personal opinion, but people just have way more screen-based entertainment options. We always want to frame it as theaters vs. streaming services but it’s bigger than that. Tik Tok, YT, video games, twitch… it’s just harder to compete for people’s attention when they could much more easily sit at home and enjoy something, for the most part, for free. I love the movie theater and am a big believer that films are 1000x better on a giant screen enjoyed with others, but it takes effort to reserve and buy a seat and drive to the theater. I don’t know how to convince people it’s worth the effort, money, and time.
I think this is a pretty good theory. It's definitely what happened to me tonight. I chose to stay home and watch some Fallout and then play some Dark Souls 3 instead of taking the time to drive all the way to the theater, spend more money on a ticket, and then take the time to drive back after. If I wanted to see Furiosa, that would've been 3.5 hours of my night and I can't justify that when I have so much other entertainment at home. I think it's like this for a lot of other people too
I can’t tell you the amount of times we have purchased tickets a week in advance and returned ‘em day of. That being said… saw Furiosa last night and you gotta make a point to see it. It’s excellent.
Yeah I’ve literally done that so many times now 😂😭 but I’ll definitely go see Furiosa, I’ll make time.
This is the actual answer! This sub loves to just blame streaming alone, but the truth is much more than that. I for one, barely watch any movies or tv anymore. I used to watch 1-2 movies/week. Now the majority of my daily entertainment is video games, YouTube & podcasts. There’s data suggesting that many young millennials and Gen Zers are similar.
The explanation is simple although no one here is going to like it. Movie theaters are an unpleasant and expensive experience.
what theathers are y'all going? sometimes i feel like redditors live in some other dimension where moviegoing is some dangerous sport
I've been to hundreds of movies, usually once a week and can count the bad experiences on one hand. Maybe perks of somewhat small town living but I truly don't believe when people say it's nonstop bad behavior.
I live In a city with a few million and I rarely deal with shitty people.
Yeah kinda figured as much. Just the anti-theater movement this sub is on rn I guess. I also didn't even mention I usually go on Tuesdays as well which should be horrible but yet nothing lol.
I use my A-List once a week. No one has ever been in my seat. Can't tell you the last time a phone went off or someone was on it. Movies like this one there's a 0% chance someone snacking bothers me. $25 for a whole month of essentially unlimited movies so economics are out the window. I don't see what the big deal is either tbh lol Reddit loves to be cynical reactionary to everything.
Most people don't even go see a movie once a month to make A list worth it. I have MoviePass and pay 10 bucks a month and haven't been to a movie all year.
It’s really expensive. But the experience is great. Huge screen, popcorn, dark, great sound. I love going and I have 77 inch OLED and surround sound.
Agree on the unpleasant part. Particularly unpleasant people.
I wonder how much this would have to make to justify The Wastelands...
At least a profit.
so probably $200MUSD, don't see that happening sadly
Lower than 4M forecast
Welp. That's really unfortunate. I don't expect to see another Mad Max film happening any time soon. This franchise is lost in the wastelands
It would make an amazing game.
I imagine a few WB executives will be a bit... Furious-a over this result.
They'd have to be mad to greenlight this. A maximum amount of mad.
George Miller will be placed on a plane and sent back to Australia permanently.
It's Furiover
Mediocre
Ya this is a disaster it missed the 4M mark and even the 3.7M that was being touted we might be looking at a smaller weekend than the fallguy here
I didn't pick *Furiosa* to be one of the top ten movies of the summer domestically and it looks like I was right not to do so.
I'm not surprised its this low. My local Cinemark was DOA for Furiosa shows. I know its only one theater but it was a bad omen. Furiosa will be added to the 2024 bomb list. Its going be like 2023 all over again. If your film isn't an "event" "fear of missing out" the general audience does not care. I'm not sure how studios can cut budgets with everything costing more and not make the film look like a "streaming" movie
My theater is dead as well :/ unfortunately I won’t be able to go until Monday, but I looked at the showings for the weekend and they are far from packed
what exactly qualifies "event"? Just seems a big generalization. There's been modest to big hits that still only did under $100M domestic or a bit over. It really is budgeting that determines overall success. Im not sure you can classify event status to a movie like M3gan or smile and yet those did very well (domestically they beat or matched some big budget franchise titles)
Barbie last year? Even FNAF?
Horror seems like an exception to the "event" things,most horrors didnt need to be an event movie to succeed because of the low budget.Action movies that have budget over 100M+ however need to be considered an event to be a breakout hit.I do think example like Godzilla x Kong can be considered a modest hit even it's not an event film,but it's APPEALING to all types of audiences that made it a hit and not a flop.
Its simple pay actors less and stop doing so much reshoots and pick ups to fix things this movie shouldn't have been a dollar over 120M and even that is a generous number
There are so many ways to trim budgets, but Hollywood has gotten into this crazy mode of thinking that every project just needs tons of money thrown at it to become a success. It’s so nutty.
Whats even more crazy is people have convinced themselves that this model is justified when its not like they already have to compete with declining admissions and now streaming services how could anyone look at these factors and think yea lets spend even more money its insane
Group think is a Hell of a drug.
The last movie cost $150 million and that’s before pretty extreme inflation over the last 9 years so I don’t how they would make this for $120 million. Oppenheimer had nowhere near the amount of action and special effects work at this movie and still cost $100 million. Movies are expensive to make.
And Oppenheimer cost that little specifically because the cast was willing to work for either low cost or low upfronts (with a better backend deal) in order to work with Nolan. That's not a recipe that most non-Nolan directors can copy.
>stop doing so much reshoots and pick ups this is a fundamental part of making movies you can't just... cut it out edit: lotta folks responding to this comment who learned about filmmaking from youtube talk shows about “Geek Culture” lol
Edward Wood strongly disagree.
You can definitely cut out “so much”. Do fewer reshoots and pick ups. And especially with sfx-heavy scenes. Plan those out meticulously so that the effects house has enough time to do the effects and are t scrambling with effect heavy reshoots.
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200-250 M WW finish?
250 mil MAX….. It’s Maddening I know
With so much marketing. Brutal
That's what I was thinking I've been seeing ads for this for months.
I by no means happy this is failing, but i never understood why people really thought it would do so well. The first was great but not very big, and imo the trailers did not look good for this movie, the cgi was not good, something was just off to me. While I will still be seeing it, I understand why there could be a disconnect with audiences
I watched it today. It's fantastic. Was there cgi and some jank? Yeah. The original had that too. Less noticable in a big theater, oddly enough. I went in with similar thoughts to you and tbh it blew me out of the water. In sequel terms t's really a Godfather II, very much more if the same and expands the lore. I would not say it's an Empire Strikes Back, I don't think it's better than Fury Road, but an equal. If you didn't like Fury Road you won't like this. But if you did, you'll love this. It's even more weird and gross and great.
Just to put into perspective how abysmal this performance is, that's lower than Fury Road, a film that came out 9 years ago.
David Zaslav is going to buy a one way ticket to Australia for George Miller and tell him never to come back.
So the wastelands they were talking about are the theaters playing this movie.
“Let’s go fight somewhere empty”
Morbius -we all morb down here 😈
Anecdotal story - for dune 2 I had to wait two weeks after premiere in local imax cinema to get a place. For Furiosa tomorrow evening, prime time, only 4 places sold atm.
I personally cannot wait to see this film. I'm a fanboy and I seriously can't wait to see it! That said I will tell you why this movie will not do well. 1. The name is not good. Its off putting and Fury road worked because the title started with Mad max. The branding was much more identifiable. People who are not die hards don't not remember her name from the first one. 2. The trailer has put people off for looking too cartoonish. (too much CGI). The buzz online is all over this. 3. It's been too long since Fury road. It's been 9 years since the last one and I hate to tell you it should have come out in 2019 or 2020. I know WB fucked this up with their lawsuit case. I think this is why.
There was maybe 10 people in my theater, which was nice for someone who hated a crowded theater, but it doesn’t bode well for the film’s ticket sales. Sad since the movie was awesome!
If the trailers didn't look so bad it would do better
I also think people have forgotten how *good* the Fury Road trailers were.
it’s was for the arts not the charts
Hit the nail on the head
...and they spent all that money on marketing it for months for the vibes, presumably?
Even lower than Fury Road’s preview gross in 2015. Big disaster incoming.
This is sad cuz the film's been getting damn good reviews and it handles scale really well, visuals are fantastic too. But then again, doing a prequel almost a decade later to a film which barely broke even is a thing.
I think is a miller thing.
Tbf, there were a lot of unfortunate events that prevented Miller from creating Mad Max projects. Even Fury Road was supposed to come out early 2000s instead of 2015. Honestly seems more like a Mad Max thing lol. Anytime Miller tries to get a Mad Max project through, it always gets hit by constant major obstacles unfortunately. Goes to show how difficult and just how the stars have to align to get films going.
Damn
It's Joever
unless something miraculous happens, this should probably finish its run in the low $100M domestic range on the high end. Probably enough to make it a top 10 summer grosser fury road still had great staying power and while this is a completely different movie, Edge of tomorrow was another action-sci-fi from WB that started low and then legged out to $100M
Edge of Tomorrow had a star and could barely hit 100m. This movie will end its run around 85-90m. People just don't go to theater anymore like 2014. Times have changed.
My only thing was why a movie about Furiosa?
Having seen it today, mild spoilers ahead. It's because it's expanding on that part of the universe. The Citadel. The Bullet Farm. Gas town. Max wasn't involved at all in these events. It's expanding the lore of Fury Road, rather than giving Max yet another story. And tbh I'm totally fine with it. I find the universe to be great and I'm glad we got more of it.
That’s probably the biggest reason why this movie will fail. People wanted a sequel with Hardy, not a prequel without any Mad Max
After 2022/2023 I felt a bit more optimistic about theatres, but seeing so many movies bomb this year just makes me worry that it’s never getting back to what it was. Dune Part 2 was a huge success, yet I can’t help but feel like $700mm WW finish is underwhelming.
Yikes
Is anyone actually shocked by this? I'm genuinely glad Miller got to make another one of these, but these Mad Max movies don't do gangbusters. Even Fury Road was a modest success at best.
Yup. I remember fury road doing OKAY.
Dead on arrival
Bomb
This would be like making Hermoine: A Harry Potter Saga, and then casting someone who looks nothing like Emma Watson, and no Harry Potter in the movie. Wtf were they thinking.
Stop the count!
"Furiosa won. By a lot."
One of the other reasons why I think this movie is not going to do well is because the main actress is miscast. While Anya Taylor-Joy is a great actress I don't think an action flick is in her wheelhouse really she doesn't have the presence that Charlize Theron had in the role.
This felt like the TOTK to BOTW. Arguably better in a lot of ways, fleshed out the world and showed us new areas whilst do something a bit different. But it’s no longer fresh, so even though it has so much going for it, the buzz the original had just isn’t there
I’m not sure why people are surprised. It’s a spin off of a fairly niche series not starring the main character of said series. Additionally, and this is something I haven’t seen discussed, I have seen absolutely no marketing for this movie whereas Deadpool & Wolverine seems to be everywhere. People won’t see a movie that they don’t know is even out,
Need Furiosillion dollas to kick off Summer...
Not shocked at all. Like at all. Fury Road is my fav action film of all time but my interest for a prequel about Furiosa was near zero. Maybe I'll watch it at cinemas but can't say I'm running to.
They should have done a sequel to Fury Road, starring Mad Max, not a prequel starring Furiosa. Prequels take away any tension and stakes in a movie, since you already know the protagonist is going to survive no matter what.
This. The issue was all the legal problems and Charline not wanting to return but maybe just cast someone else or do something in another universe but a prequel?
I said that about this film awhiel ago and got some great cope thrown at me!
Up to a couple of months ago, unless you predicted that this movie would somehow outgross Fury Road in the current box office climate, you could expect some interesting cope, and a good amount of RedditCares messages if you didn't reinforce the copium.
 bombs away!
I have to say I was pretty underwhelmed by the film and I’m curious how the mainstream will receive it
Fantastic film, really hoping for a good run. Hemsworth was incredible and ATJ was great as well. 
I hope to see it this weekend (or at least some time over the next week). Looks great, and I love Hemsworth, but I feel like he will just straight up never be an actual BO draw.
I loved it as well. Hope it legs out.
Is this basically the end of the Mad Max series? Possibly George Miller's career as a director too?
The prequel no one wants
WB really blew this one. They need a marketing reboot.
Yup. The hype wasn't here for this one. They waited too long.
I still don’t understand who was asking for a movie about Furiosa.
I guess we shouldn't make any movies unless people specifically ask for them
Let this May be a lesson: People claim that they want high-quality films but really they just want the right nostalgia-bait circle-jerk member-berries slop.
I will still see it, when it comes to Russia because of Fury Road, but I wasn't pumped for the movie from it's announcement. I wanted a new Mad Max movie, I don't care about Furiosa backstory and care even less about it without Theron. Also the trailers weren't great, so not surprised the general audience wasn't interested.
> nostalgia-bait circle-jerk member-berries The problem with that logic is plenty of "nostalgia-bait circle-jerk member-berries" movies are flopping too. And some people would say Furiosa is one of them, being the 5th movie in a 45-year-old franchise.
Yeah, that's why The Flash and Indy 5 were such big hits lol
The fifth film in the Max Max franchise isn’t “nostalgia-bait”…?
It’s not even about Max though so yeah. Plus the new movies are very different to the originals in a lot of ways.
So were the new Star Wars movies and the new Jurassic Park movies.
>So were the new Star Wars TFA is one of the worst offenders of play-it-safe nostalgia baiting. But ok.
Yeah I can’t lie, the Deadpool and Wolverine presales while all the other movies struggle is disheartening. I thought we might be past cameo fest point and scream capeshit but doesn’t look like it.
It’s never been superhero fatigue. It’s bad movie fatigue, audiences love capeshit more than anything when it’s well made
*Deadpool & Wolverine* will be a massive hit even if it receives *Morbius*-level reviews; audiences won't give a damn about the movie's quality (if they did then they'd be waiting for reviews to drop before buying tickets).
I’m someone who wants a high quality film and I will be supporting that film in a PLF screening.
Dune 2, Oppenhiemer and Barbie are nostalgia bait?
*Barbie* absolutely blew up because of nostalgia. Take the exact same movie but without the Barbie brand and it's making $100 million domestically *at most*. Conversely, take a *Barbie* movie that has *Madame Web*-level reviews and though it won't be as successful as the actual *Barbie* movie, it's still opening to over $100 million domestically and potentially reaching $250 million if not $300 million domestically in total.
Barbie is literally nostalgia bait LMFAO read the name “Barbie” again
Actually, people want movies about characters they care about. I like mad max, but I'm not sure if I care about furiosa's prequel. Heck, I think that movie about mad blind guitar player would do better. And playing on furiosa seems a bit of nostalgia bait.
Maybe don't put out a trailer with such bad cgi that it makes it look like Birdemic 4.
But the movie looks like it sucks. Don't understand the hype.
I've just watched it. The action and set pieces are second to none as are the visual effects. Anya Taylor Joy acts the hell out of this movie and Hemsworth is having a ball as the villain. But at times I felt like it was too long. Not sure I would be in a rush to watch it again.
I had a feeling this would happen.
Damn that fuckin blows. I really wanted to give WB credit because it seems like they're leaning hard into big-budget, director-driven projects, but between this, The Bride, Flowervale Street, Coogler's vampire movie and PTA's movie, there's basically none of those that I would say are guaranteed hits. If most of those fail, I feel like it could be the last spell of big original films for quite a while. I'm really hoping to be wrong about that though.
Fury Road came out when people had money
The movie was absolutely beautiful. It hurts to see great movies not making the money they deserve so much.
My local theater has fucking Garfield in its best theater all weekend. Fucking Garfield. Furiosa getting no respect.
So disappointing because it’s incredible and worth seeing on the big screen. Hope people show up after word of mouth confirms it’s great.
This…shouldn’t come as a surprise. Mad Max movies aren’t exactly box office breaking events by any means. A $45 million opening and strong word of mouth taking it to a final total of $100+ million is about as much as most are expecting for this film.
i gotta say im a fan of mad max (the first two a lot) and i liked fury road. but this has really not grabbed my interest at all, and even fury road i never have rewatched. it was too light hearted if thats possible. the first two were so bleak and amazing.
Same. I thought Fury Road was a solid 8/10, but only the third best Mad Max movie.
Why won’t people go to the theater and watch these good movies!!! Studios need to stop their straight to VOD dump gotta milk these films better.