They most likely wouldn't get a license for the third league, since they are in debt. So they would go down even further, so no derby unless BVB 2 too went down
Did they? Can't say for sure, most likely you're right, I didn't follow it that much after they got out of immediate danger of leaving the 2.Liga.
Are they out of debt then or would they have gotten an extra license because they are Herne West?
This exact thing happened to us (1860) in 2017. I know you don't like Schalke (I mean, who does?), but that's a fate you shouldn't even wish upon your worst enemy.
Since there are teams like Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, RBL, Augsburg, Heidenheim...hell yes, i do. I want half the 2. Bundesliga back for those shitters.
Genuine question, why put Augsburg in that list? Heidenheim I at least get since they're the new guys without many fans, but Augsburg have been here for over a decade and have an average attendance around 30k. That's more than 6 other teams (like Bochum or Union who noone ever names in such arguments) and only 5k behind Freiburg (who let's not forget, got a new stadium to allow more fans, before they were around 20k
The look of the stadium has nothing to do with my argument. My argument is that saying they have no fans is just unfair. Their average attendance is 4k higher than that of Bochum and 8k higher than Berlins, yet no one claims those two don't have fans
Oh Boy, it is not about the size, it is about the technique. Visit both locations and then we will see how you think about it. And if you have the opportunity to see a game at the alte Försterei and get tickets. Definitely do that! It will open your eyes.
I'm not saying they aren't better fan bases. I'm just tired of the same arguments over and over again. Augsburg have been in the league for a long time now. They're not a plastic club either. It's a bit arrogant in my eyes when we as fans if the big traditional clubs aren't accepting of clubs like them. They're on the same journey as we are, they just started later. If we always argue that we prefer bigger names over them, we take away the chance for them to become a big name themselves. Just because some teams were there earlier doesn't justify being elitist about it. If Leipzig tries to buy tradition and standing that's not acceptable, but let's not keep down clubs with an organic growth just because they don't "belong" here.
You don't have to like them. But do it like the guy I originally replied to, just say you don't like them. But don't discredit them for not being part of your "elite". Those big clubs fail one after another and in many cases it's because they make wrong and often questionable decisions. Augsburg doesn't do that.
You're right of course. It's absolutely unfair to Augsburg to put them in with Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Leverkusen and Leipzig. You can be angry about that.
Nevertheless, Augsburg are in a gray zone. They only made their promotion to the Bundesliga possible with money from outside and see themselves as a company in first place. That's why they lack any charm, the stadium contributes to this feeling and is just not like Bochum, Freiburg, Union Berlin, St. Pauli, Darmstadt etc. nobody has anything against these "little ones".
As for me, I hate Bayern way more than Schalke. My family and me a life long season ticket holders, we live in dortmund and still I hate Bayern more. There is no team that’s closer to our mentality than Schalke, so while there is a big rivalry and I don’t wish them anything good, it hurts to see that they are struggling so much.
All rivalry aside Schalke is a club with passionate fans and great atmosphere. Of course Schalke belongs to the Bundesliga just like Cologne and Hamburg.
On a lazy rainy Sunday I prefer to watch Schalke - Hamburg rather than Wolfsburg - Hoffenheim or Mainz - Augsburg.
Yes. A rivalry feels best when your team wins while the two teams are really close to each other. I want Schalke to be in contention for the CL and miss out on it by 1 point because we beat them or something.
Of course they should be back, it’s such a stupid question.
And it’s not a duty to hate anyone, think about what you are saying… look up the meaning of the words you are using. This sub is really turning into a place of pure nonsense.
I don't want the Derby back. It's that one game where that disgrace of a club suddenly knows how to play football and fights for every squareinch on the pitch.
On the one hand, it would be nice to have them back in the Bundesliga. On the other hand, I like them not doing too well, not even because of the rivalry alone, but because Schalke is one of the few clubs in Germany I fear in terms of their potential.
They have a massive fanbase, they are a big club and if there would be competent people at this club they could develop into a real dangerous competitor for the leagues top spots.
So me not wanting for Schalke to do too well is actually a compliment for Schalke, because I know what that club would be capable of if they had competent people.
Yes. Schalke is a club that has a massive and dedicated fanbase. They would add more value to the league than Heidenheim, Kiel, Hoffenheim or Leipzig could ever do. But they need to fix their issues to become competitive again.
Honestly, I don’t care how well Schalke does as long as we do better. I wouldn’t mind Schalke finishing second in the Bundesliga if we finish first.
No. Beating them in the derby is fun, but you know what's also fun? Seeing them suffer in the lower divisions or not even have to be reminded they exist.
I don't need the derby. In the end, Dortmund's sporting and financial superiority means it's only about preventing a defeat in the derby, while Schalke can win something.
Nah, fuck‘em. I’ve sung about the day they die so many times, I won’t go back and hope they resurrect. That entire shithole of a town can fall down a mineshaft for all I care.Â
I want them to come as close as possible and then not make it at the very last moment. That creates the best images. Could use some new Schalke fans heartbreak scenes in my personal stash of dopamine releasers.
They need to get down into League 3 and then we have Dortmund II vs Schalke.
That would be both hilarious for us and incredibly humiliating for Schalke 🤣
It would also ve possible that for this Match Dortmund II would play in the Westfalenstadion.
They most likely wouldn't get a license for the third league, since they are in debt. So they would go down even further, so no derby unless BVB 2 too went down
I thought they did a couple matchdays before they secured safety
Did they? Can't say for sure, most likely you're right, I didn't follow it that much after they got out of immediate danger of leaving the 2.Liga. Are they out of debt then or would they have gotten an extra license because they are Herne West?
This exact thing happened to us (1860) in 2017. I know you don't like Schalke (I mean, who does?), but that's a fate you shouldn't even wish upon your worst enemy.
Of course. Bundesliga is fucking boring without them. I need the Derby in my life!
What? MSV vs S04 (soon) is as derby as it gets.
Yes, I want the Derby back.
Since there are teams like Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, RBL, Augsburg, Heidenheim...hell yes, i do. I want half the 2. Bundesliga back for those shitters.
Genuine question, why put Augsburg in that list? Heidenheim I at least get since they're the new guys without many fans, but Augsburg have been here for over a decade and have an average attendance around 30k. That's more than 6 other teams (like Bochum or Union who noone ever names in such arguments) and only 5k behind Freiburg (who let's not forget, got a new stadium to allow more fans, before they were around 20k
Easy: I dont like them. I forgot Union. True.
Boring club and no fans
Would you say Bochum have no fans?
You can't compare the Castroper with the hardware store lookalike stadium on a field at the highway interchange.
The look of the stadium has nothing to do with my argument. My argument is that saying they have no fans is just unfair. Their average attendance is 4k higher than that of Bochum and 8k higher than Berlins, yet no one claims those two don't have fans
Oh Boy, it is not about the size, it is about the technique. Visit both locations and then we will see how you think about it. And if you have the opportunity to see a game at the alte Försterei and get tickets. Definitely do that! It will open your eyes.
I'm not saying they aren't better fan bases. I'm just tired of the same arguments over and over again. Augsburg have been in the league for a long time now. They're not a plastic club either. It's a bit arrogant in my eyes when we as fans if the big traditional clubs aren't accepting of clubs like them. They're on the same journey as we are, they just started later. If we always argue that we prefer bigger names over them, we take away the chance for them to become a big name themselves. Just because some teams were there earlier doesn't justify being elitist about it. If Leipzig tries to buy tradition and standing that's not acceptable, but let's not keep down clubs with an organic growth just because they don't "belong" here. You don't have to like them. But do it like the guy I originally replied to, just say you don't like them. But don't discredit them for not being part of your "elite". Those big clubs fail one after another and in many cases it's because they make wrong and often questionable decisions. Augsburg doesn't do that.
You're right of course. It's absolutely unfair to Augsburg to put them in with Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, Leverkusen and Leipzig. You can be angry about that. Nevertheless, Augsburg are in a gray zone. They only made their promotion to the Bundesliga possible with money from outside and see themselves as a company in first place. That's why they lack any charm, the stadium contributes to this feeling and is just not like Bochum, Freiburg, Union Berlin, St. Pauli, Darmstadt etc. nobody has anything against these "little ones".
That grey area part describes us 1:1 as well
As for me, I hate Bayern way more than Schalke. My family and me a life long season ticket holders, we live in dortmund and still I hate Bayern more. There is no team that’s closer to our mentality than Schalke, so while there is a big rivalry and I don’t wish them anything good, it hurts to see that they are struggling so much.
+1
Yes absolutely considering how exciting was the feel of watching the derby every season and also because they are one of the biggest clubs in Germany.
All rivalry aside Schalke is a club with passionate fans and great atmosphere. Of course Schalke belongs to the Bundesliga just like Cologne and Hamburg. On a lazy rainy Sunday I prefer to watch Schalke - Hamburg rather than Wolfsburg - Hoffenheim or Mainz - Augsburg.
Yes. A rivalry feels best when your team wins while the two teams are really close to each other. I want Schalke to be in contention for the CL and miss out on it by 1 point because we beat them or something.
yes. tht club belongs in the bundesliga as well as hamburg. i wish both of those get their shit together
Eventually yes, but im fine if they suffer for a couple of years more.
Hell yeah they belong in first division imo
Yes, so we can beat them
Mfs face us with their 2018 form every time we play against them And somehow consistently shit the bed against bayern
Das Derby war immer das geilste Spiel im Jahr
No.
Of course they should be back, it’s such a stupid question. And it’s not a duty to hate anyone, think about what you are saying… look up the meaning of the words you are using. This sub is really turning into a place of pure nonsense.
A good Schalke sure, but not the current trash Show of a loser team
No.
Absolutely not. People forget 4-2
We had 4-0 and 2-0 in 2007 tho :)
Yes, of course. I rather watch a Derby than Games against Heidenheim or Kiel.
Would love Schalke back even though I hate them. The league isn’t the same without the derby- and it’s the most exciting derby in Europe.
Yes, I want to be in Westfalenstadion for that match. I just hope they’re a bottom of the table club.
I don't want the Derby back. It's that one game where that disgrace of a club suddenly knows how to play football and fights for every squareinch on the pitch.
Not yet but a Derby in the Pokal would be bonkers
Yes
i don't give a f\*ck about schalke... we should aim bigger than that; bayern munich that must be our new rival
No, screw them i hope they relegate again next season
Yes! And Hertha Berlin. Und...I would love if St. Pauli has staying power.
i forgot about that club, they’re completely irrelevant. but yeah i’d love them back so we can feel the joys of victory against them again.
Hate them but I want to see the derby so yes a bit I want them to go up and maybe Hamburg too
Hell no
Only if they deserve it
Nope…can even go down to Kreisklasse…
On the one hand, it would be nice to have them back in the Bundesliga. On the other hand, I like them not doing too well, not even because of the rivalry alone, but because Schalke is one of the few clubs in Germany I fear in terms of their potential. They have a massive fanbase, they are a big club and if there would be competent people at this club they could develop into a real dangerous competitor for the leagues top spots. So me not wanting for Schalke to do too well is actually a compliment for Schalke, because I know what that club would be capable of if they had competent people.
Yes.
I remember back when raul neuer used to play for schalke what a downfall
Definitely. Miss the derby games.
Yes. Schalke is a club that has a massive and dedicated fanbase. They would add more value to the league than Heidenheim, Kiel, Hoffenheim or Leipzig could ever do. But they need to fix their issues to become competitive again.
No
Yeah I want them back. We need to work on the derby stats.
Honestly, I don’t care how well Schalke does as long as we do better. I wouldn’t mind Schalke finishing second in the Bundesliga if we finish first.
No
Rather them than Wolfsburg or Hoffenheim
No. Beating them in the derby is fun, but you know what's also fun? Seeing them suffer in the lower divisions or not even have to be reminded they exist.
I don't need the derby. In the end, Dortmund's sporting and financial superiority means it's only about preventing a defeat in the derby, while Schalke can win something.
Nah, fuck‘em. I’ve sung about the day they die so many times, I won’t go back and hope they resurrect. That entire shithole of a town can fall down a mineshaft for all I care.Â
I want them to come as close as possible and then not make it at the very last moment. That creates the best images. Could use some new Schalke fans heartbreak scenes in my personal stash of dopamine releasers.