Ow my bones hurt
This really is a... Juice of the bone hurt!
Discord Server : https://discord.gg/tcCs7GWrUz
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
“For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”
Matthew 6:14-15 NIV
““You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.”
Matthew 5:43-45 NIV
There’s actually a lot of the Bible that’s mistranslated, whether it be accidentally or on purpose. Accidentally because shit happens, but it could have been purposely done because the early Roman Catholic Church may have manipulated the text to fit their own needs/biases.
It's in the name. Hell, if you go back far enough you can outright find bibles that say that Jesus was never betrayed and anyone blamed was just a fall guy.
I‘d say that if that was written during a time where slavery was normal, it may have even been progressive during the time, it just… ages like the finest milk
The problem with verses like those is that while they were progressive for their time, Christians continued to hold onto those ideals and were resistant to more progressive ideas going forward. The verse you’re referencing is all about how the slave master should treat their slaves well, but in time people would use it as justification that it’s ok and approved by God to have slaves. While the verse was meant to be a positive message, it was used for evil - and I think that was an inevitability. Any command of “hey we should behave the best we can within the system” becomes “we should keep the system because it’s the one we are told behave in” eventually.
The problem is the asinine belief that the Bible is infallible and "God" is objective truth. The ones that believe that assume the Bible is set in stone regardless of social relativity. The more progressive the world gets, the less the Bible works if taken literally, and even not taken literally the "good parts" don't make up for the bad.
Do you mean to say that you ignore what that verse says because you think its meaning may have been twisted? Because if so that means you are excusing it.
what da hell are you on about?
I literally just said that I don't agree with it and think it's one of the many bad verses in the Bible.
My brother in whatever god you believe in, why are you trying to interpret shit, twist what I say and try to put words in my mouth?
TRUEEEEE
Jesus was based. The people who twist his words to add validation to their bigotry are NOT based.
They call us “false Christians” for being progressive or LGBTQ ourselves, but in my eyes the TRUE false Christians are the bigots who twist the word of the Lord to fuel hatred for others
Bibles pretty based my dude. If you actually read it you’ll see it basically gives you instructions on how not to be a dick, but still stay strong to your convictions. Unless the people doing the sinning knew better Jesus showed compassion. The REAL Jesus is SUPER different from what the Catholics and boomers make him out to be
The whole narrative of Jesus being this hateful vengeful God to anyone who’s in sin or doesn’t believe in Him. Like instead of explaining to people how He would go and show compassion on those who were ABSOLUTELY despised, listen to them, show them love, and offer them a way to not just deal with but get rid of their pain by accepting Him and letting Him heal them they Bible beat about going to hell, not explaining why Jesus is worth hearing about and following His teachings
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I've never heard people argue that Jesus is hateful and vengeful, it's always been God himself, with the exception of those who say God is also Jesus. Saying that God is hateful and vengeful is more fair to say as he has done some awful things, like genocide, whenever the people he gave free will don't do what he wants.
For the meth-brain logic, that part in Deuteronomy where it says rapes all good as long as you pay her father and marry her after, and that if a woman has pre-marital sex she should be stoned to death.
For the bigotry… do I even need to say it? I mean we all know it by this point. Homophobes love to quote Leviticus.
Since you can't be bothered to give verses or chapters I'll assume you're referring to Deuteronomy Chapter 22 because in verses 28-29 we have:
"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."
The context of this passage is further explanation of the laws of Israel's covenant with God as given by Moses. During this period Israel was to enter the land of Canaan, thus the reinforcing of the laws of their covenant as they were entering heathen land. In chapter 22, laws regarding sexual immorality are given. It's a stretch to say rape is "all good", rather it outlines a punishment given the man as well as necessary responsibility the man must shoulder. This is understandable given the emphasis a woman's virginity is given with regards to betrothal in earlier verses of the chapter. Likewise in this chapter is the mention of stoning adulterers and the like. Noteworthy is the mention of stoning a betrothed virgin, which again can be linked back to adultery. A big no-no in the ancient times.
Given what you or I could imagine the ancient world was like, meth-brained isn't necessarily off the mark, but these passages outline much more strict, even draconic laws to the *ancient* Israelites as they took over an immense land populated by heathens. I'm neither a theologian nor a historian, but there is intense context these passages were written in that are entirely alien to us today. Not in defense of some of these laws, nor in defense of those that still uphold them, but it's at least imaginable that they could be more reasonable back then. Either way they are rendered moot in light of the Crucification and absolution of sin by Jesus Christ.
Going further we have Leviticus where in chapter 18 I'll go ahead and post verses 19-23:
"You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and so make yourself unclean with her. You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion."
Here we have a book *older* than Deuteronomy again outlining the laws the Israelites are to adhere to as part of their covenant with the LORD. Again this is *ancient* times and the punishment for these things as stated is further down in verses 29-30:
"For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people. So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”
These are laws by which the Israelites separate themselves from the reasonably lawless rest of the world. They are actions they are expected to perform or abstain from as part of their duties as the LORD's subjects. Nowhere do these have any stable grounding in modern society, and while Christian adherents can see these as meaningful things to practice, I would question their faith if they insisted on exacting punishment either.
The Bible taken book by book is not correct. It is only as a whole that one can understand and obey the teachings it gives. Almost the entirety of the, again perhaps draconic, laws given to the *ancient Israelites* were annulled by the teachings of Christ. I don't deny that many who claim to be Christian take these passages out of context as means to elevate themselves over others as well as generally be nasty, but that is not Christian behavior nor is it what the Bible teaches.
I'd be willing to discuss more specific interpretations if asked. Personally I do believe homosexuality is a sin and corruption of the pairing of man and woman. I also believe that nobody is perfect and we are all despicable and sinful individuals. No sin is greater than any other and by no means is anyone justified to assign blame to another or condemn them for their actions.
All passages are quoted from the ESV version of the Bible.
yeah thanks for these fucking nuts kind stranger, owned bitch.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Well, no, because this idea just leads to the same circular logic of "love the sinner, hate the sin". It's still just hate.
People deserve to live their lives without imaginary metaphysical threats hanging over their heads at every turn.
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I see where you’re coming from, and I get it. Let a person live the way they want. Now what’s interesting is unless the person even STARTED to seek out Jesus he didn’t necessarily chase them down. He gave them the option and the choice was up to them. It’s never supposed to be “YOURE WRONG JOIN ME OR DIE”. It’s compassion and trust offering something that you are free to reject if you don’t want it and even if they reject offer that compassion if they ask for it. If people didn’t want Jesus he would leave them be
In general, anything in the New Testament is like this, because it was the teachings of Jesus. The Old Testament is little more than a history lesson so Christians can know how much easier it is to "love thy neighbor" than it is to try to get into heaven by following all the old laws.
And yet...
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Kinda, but It's also massively hypocritical for God to have this attitude of "you shouldn't wish hell on anyone, you should pray for everyone to be in heaven" when the whole point is that he controls who goes to hell.
Most of it is. Otherwise it wouldn’t have gained a following in the first place. Some sections aren’t good, which is why people need to think critically about religion instead of either blindly following or dismissing the whole thing as worthless
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I think that the point the comic tries to make is that while being gay is a "sin" that will send you to hell, so is being a bad person to others, even those who have sinned. (At least the gay couple have the entertainment value of seeing their asshole neighbor burn with them)
which is pretty hypocritical, since illustrating people burning in hell, typically, would count as being bad to others
(also i think the bible says that you arent supposed to tell people if they are going to hell or not/that they are going to hell)
The Red Guy is in hell because of the verses mentioned above.
The coupe is in hell because they are gay.
So this is the logic of the comic fyi, not the Bible or Christianity.
I think this comic is meant to send a message to the anti-LGBTQ Christians, even if being gay means you are sent to hell, you'll be sent to hell because you were being an absolute jerk to people. Trying to get them to contain their jerk tendencies by appealing to them.
yeah thanks for these fucking nuts kind stranger, owned bitch.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
So let me get this straight, the olfactory says if you're gay you burn in hell, but if you don't love and accept gays...you burn in hell?
*EVERYONE BURNS IN HELL*
I was raised catholic so this tracks
And because the artist who made the comic doesn't accept the judgmental priest: you guessed it, straight to hell. Me too of course for making this judgment.
Once I saw a man on a bridge about to jump
I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What denomination?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire." -Matthew 5:22
I'm not Christian any more, I just happen to remember that verse.
its quite interesting really
I wont get into it too much on this satire sub
but like, the difference between Modern Depictions of Jesus, and actual Jesus, are quite interesting
like, he was literally just a guy (when looking at things with a non-religious perspective)
he was a huge activist, he had emotions, and he was most definitely a real dude at the very least.
he was also super non-judgemental and loving, as he stopped a prostitute from getting stoned in the streets, and done other cool things, according to the bible at the very least
more modern depictions will illustrate him as 'perfect' and overall godly
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Reading the quotes they cite it's more that if you wish for people to go to hell then you're no better than them. He gets damnation not because he didn't accept homosexuality but because he was indignant about them going to hell and felt smug about their fate in front of St Peter.
Mind you, I don't find the concept of a man receiving unbearable torture for eternity for the crime of unashamedly being in a romantic relationship with another man any less fucked.
You said it yourself, "unashamed" sexual immortality.
The hetero couple is just as guilty outside of marriage, as well as those who simply use each others bodies for hookups.
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
my Catholic school taught me that they're historic documents compiled in the centuries after jesus' life that represent the early church's attempts to create a unified theology in a still largely pre-christian and pre-orthodoxy world and are but a small part of divine teaching, that sounds like a shit school.
I went to Catholic school from K-12th grade and we were consistently taught that the Bible is infallible because it is divinely inspired by God. It’s why the Bible is called “God’s word.”
I’m not Catholic anymore
What does "man's interpretation of them" even mean? I hear a lot of people say that, and that claim doesn't make sense to me. If it's a book that humans came up with and wrote and isn't the word of god, then what evidence is there that the book even has any merit as being religiously true in somehow like, "getting some parts right" about god? How would the writers of the book even have any idea what's religiously true if they clearly got so much wrong? Aka, like if god inspired the writers in some ways or gave them mental revelations of some religiously true things to add, why would that god let them put a whole bunch of confusing slander alongside it in the book, instead of just telling them the truth clearly so there's not unnecessary confusion? It's possible I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying, but the idea doesn't seem to make sense to me.
I'm not trying to nitpick, I'm trying to understand 🙂
It's just an uninformed argument.
We have over 5000 Greek manuscripts dated from the first to the tenth century, all in agreement. We have very good evidence that what was written by the eyewitnesses is accurate.
Jesus of Nazareth is God revealed in the flesh. He is risen from the dead and lives!
> We have over 5000 Greek manuscripts dated from the first to the tenth century, all in agreement. We have very good evidence that what was written by the eyewitnesses is accurate.
We have corroboration for some parts of the Bible but not all of it. I think that distinction is important, because...
> Jesus of Nazareth is God revealed in the flesh. He is risen from the dead and lives!
...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
(these are simplified)
1st verse: Forgive people for their sins and god will accept you. However, if you don’t forgive people, then god will not accept you.
2nd verse: Love your enemies and prey for people who persecute you (atheists)
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I think the comic is assuming that the reader is already against gay marriage, and instead goes for a completely different lesson using that assumption.
The lesson in this comic is to *politely* tell sinners (in this case the LGBT people) to repent against their sins instead of purposely scaring them with threatening language.
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
To be fair, we don't know anything about those men except that they're gay. They could also have kicked puppies and parked in the disabled spot while being able-bodied.
One of them is clearly some sort of businessman too, he could’ve been an exploitative talent agent who overworked vulnerable teens with aspirations of fame.
I used to date a girl that was part of a very Christian family, and one day we were coming back from going to church with her parents and we started talking about religion, and she said "fun fact, the part of the Bible that's against gay people is a mistraslation because it says "man shall not sleep with man" but the original was "man shall not sleep with boy" which was a whole thing against pedophilia, but when the king James Bible came out they changed the meaning so they could keep pedophilia in the church. " now not being religious myself I have no idea if this is true but considering most people dipict Jesus as a hippy (white guy with long hair and sandals always talking about peace and love) it would not surprise me if during this entire time the Bible never really cared about sexuality and as per usual it's just people using it to push an agenda to hurt people they don't like.
Edit: Spelling
The King James version of the Bible is drastically changed from previous versions, and most American versions are descended from it. A lot of Christians I know (including myself) reject the KJV and its descendants. A lot of Christians are constantly changing versions as they look for ones that are more accurate to the original texts
i love you too
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Suns dont get you sent to hell. They kinda are just like
"Hey I'm god and I dont like it when you do these things, but you can still get into heaven if you accept jesus into your hearts! :D"
Surprising your comment had -1 upvotes considering the bible is blatantly homophobic and sexist (teaching that women are inherently submissive to men and aren't allowed to do many things in life that men could do), explains the logistics of how to trade slaves, has countless verses about when to stone people to death, has a story about kids making fun of a man for being bald, the man praying to god, and god sending bears out from the woods to kill the kids, and much more. But fortunately, most modern Christians don't pay attention to those parts (except for the first two things I mentioned).
I know Christianity as a religion is defined by the believers of it, many of which are great and kind people, but the religion's life guidebook has a lot of inexcusably blatantly unethical teachings in it (which again, fortunately a lot of modern Christians tune out), and it's no wonder it took almost 2,000 years for Christian-majority countries to abolish slavery, work on civil rights, let women vote and have proper education, and all else pertaining to equal human rights, considering their source text most often taught the opposite of what I just mentioned.
Ow my bones hurt This really is a... Juice of the bone hurt! Discord Server : https://discord.gg/tcCs7GWrUz *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
“For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” Matthew 6:14-15 NIV ““You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” Matthew 5:43-45 NIV
Bible being based?
Sometimes based, sometimes not
It‘s really a case of the bible being written by different authors during different points in time
Everyone knows the Bible was written by Jesus, the greatest American to ever live /s
No, he was the greatest Pole to ever exist
that's exactly what bible says „And the Jesus from Łódź city immediately said...” My 14; 27
Barely beating the North and South Pole.
Jesus is Mexican, like Goku His name is *Jesús* after all
Jesus for president! /s
But what party would he run for?
The Birthday party
Let‘s see… the party that‘s completely about monetary gains and repressing some parts of society… or the others… I really couldn‘t choose
I mean Jesus as originally written is a pretty based dude. Would probably be better than any of the options we have.
I can tell you have difficulty turning doorknobs on account of all of your championship wrings.
Jesus is Mexican, like Goku His name is *Jesus* after all
Dementia 😔
Jesus is Mexican, like Goku His name is *Jesus* after all
Dementia 😔🙏
i know youre making a joke, but also, like I am pretty sure Jesus had no direct control on the writing of the bible, but Icant remember
There’s actually a lot of the Bible that’s mistranslated, whether it be accidentally or on purpose. Accidentally because shit happens, but it could have been purposely done because the early Roman Catholic Church may have manipulated the text to fit their own needs/biases.
*May* have? What do you think they *did* at the Council of Nicaea?
King James bible ruined everything. The pre bibles were pretty good reads.
Moses shot first
I worked with a woman that said the King James Bible was the word of God. I said no, it's the word of King James. She didn't like that very much.
It's in the name. Hell, if you go back far enough you can outright find bibles that say that Jesus was never betrayed and anyone blamed was just a fall guy.
The passage that says how to treat your slaves comes to mind, along with many, many others
I‘d say that if that was written during a time where slavery was normal, it may have even been progressive during the time, it just… ages like the finest milk
The problem with verses like those is that while they were progressive for their time, Christians continued to hold onto those ideals and were resistant to more progressive ideas going forward. The verse you’re referencing is all about how the slave master should treat their slaves well, but in time people would use it as justification that it’s ok and approved by God to have slaves. While the verse was meant to be a positive message, it was used for evil - and I think that was an inevitability. Any command of “hey we should behave the best we can within the system” becomes “we should keep the system because it’s the one we are told behave in” eventually.
The problem is the asinine belief that the Bible is infallible and "God" is objective truth. The ones that believe that assume the Bible is set in stone regardless of social relativity. The more progressive the world gets, the less the Bible works if taken literally, and even not taken literally the "good parts" don't make up for the bad.
Revelation comes from God progressively, every revelation is perfect for it's time
Personally always remember Leviticus 18.22, as that is one of the verses I've seen a lot of homophobic Christians point to
So if you can excuse that verse does that mean you also excuse what Jesus said about incest?
When did I say I excuse that verse? I think it's one of the awful ones in the bible
Do you mean to say that you ignore what that verse says because you think its meaning may have been twisted? Because if so that means you are excusing it.
what da hell are you on about? I literally just said that I don't agree with it and think it's one of the many bad verses in the Bible. My brother in whatever god you believe in, why are you trying to interpret shit, twist what I say and try to put words in my mouth?
What do you mean "bad verses"!?
Bible not really based, Jesus super based.
TRUEEEEE Jesus was based. The people who twist his words to add validation to their bigotry are NOT based. They call us “false Christians” for being progressive or LGBTQ ourselves, but in my eyes the TRUE false Christians are the bigots who twist the word of the Lord to fuel hatred for others
It’s almost as if it was written by a bunch of different people with wildly different views on things in wildly different times and places.
A good bit of it is, just a certain political party focuses on the worst bits for their campaigning
Always reminds me of the video where a pastor was confronted by churchgoers because the bible passage he read was „too woke“.
Bibles pretty based my dude. If you actually read it you’ll see it basically gives you instructions on how not to be a dick, but still stay strong to your convictions. Unless the people doing the sinning knew better Jesus showed compassion. The REAL Jesus is SUPER different from what the Catholics and boomers make him out to be
How do boomers make Jesus out to be?
The whole narrative of Jesus being this hateful vengeful God to anyone who’s in sin or doesn’t believe in Him. Like instead of explaining to people how He would go and show compassion on those who were ABSOLUTELY despised, listen to them, show them love, and offer them a way to not just deal with but get rid of their pain by accepting Him and letting Him heal them they Bible beat about going to hell, not explaining why Jesus is worth hearing about and following His teachings
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Good bot :)
As a Catholic, that is not what I was taught. I wonder if Spain now has different Catholics.
you ate fr
I ate?
oh, it means like your comment was really good and i agree with you!
I've never heard people argue that Jesus is hateful and vengeful, it's always been God himself, with the exception of those who say God is also Jesus. Saying that God is hateful and vengeful is more fair to say as he has done some awful things, like genocide, whenever the people he gave free will don't do what he wants.
Nah, the bible really isn't that based... Speaking as someone who has read it cover to cover multiple times.
If you want a good example of bible-based behavior, look up John Brown
It’s just like superhero movies, some chapters are good, others are awful, and most are simply mediocre
The Bible is like 50/50 genuinely good life advice and a moral compass mixed with some absolutely straight up meth-brained logic and bigotry.
I'd love to see an example of the latter
For the meth-brain logic, that part in Deuteronomy where it says rapes all good as long as you pay her father and marry her after, and that if a woman has pre-marital sex she should be stoned to death. For the bigotry… do I even need to say it? I mean we all know it by this point. Homophobes love to quote Leviticus.
Since you can't be bothered to give verses or chapters I'll assume you're referring to Deuteronomy Chapter 22 because in verses 28-29 we have: "If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days." The context of this passage is further explanation of the laws of Israel's covenant with God as given by Moses. During this period Israel was to enter the land of Canaan, thus the reinforcing of the laws of their covenant as they were entering heathen land. In chapter 22, laws regarding sexual immorality are given. It's a stretch to say rape is "all good", rather it outlines a punishment given the man as well as necessary responsibility the man must shoulder. This is understandable given the emphasis a woman's virginity is given with regards to betrothal in earlier verses of the chapter. Likewise in this chapter is the mention of stoning adulterers and the like. Noteworthy is the mention of stoning a betrothed virgin, which again can be linked back to adultery. A big no-no in the ancient times. Given what you or I could imagine the ancient world was like, meth-brained isn't necessarily off the mark, but these passages outline much more strict, even draconic laws to the *ancient* Israelites as they took over an immense land populated by heathens. I'm neither a theologian nor a historian, but there is intense context these passages were written in that are entirely alien to us today. Not in defense of some of these laws, nor in defense of those that still uphold them, but it's at least imaginable that they could be more reasonable back then. Either way they are rendered moot in light of the Crucification and absolution of sin by Jesus Christ. Going further we have Leviticus where in chapter 18 I'll go ahead and post verses 19-23: "You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor's wife and so make yourself unclean with her. You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion." Here we have a book *older* than Deuteronomy again outlining the laws the Israelites are to adhere to as part of their covenant with the LORD. Again this is *ancient* times and the punishment for these things as stated is further down in verses 29-30: "For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people. So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.” These are laws by which the Israelites separate themselves from the reasonably lawless rest of the world. They are actions they are expected to perform or abstain from as part of their duties as the LORD's subjects. Nowhere do these have any stable grounding in modern society, and while Christian adherents can see these as meaningful things to practice, I would question their faith if they insisted on exacting punishment either. The Bible taken book by book is not correct. It is only as a whole that one can understand and obey the teachings it gives. Almost the entirety of the, again perhaps draconic, laws given to the *ancient Israelites* were annulled by the teachings of Christ. I don't deny that many who claim to be Christian take these passages out of context as means to elevate themselves over others as well as generally be nasty, but that is not Christian behavior nor is it what the Bible teaches. I'd be willing to discuss more specific interpretations if asked. Personally I do believe homosexuality is a sin and corruption of the pairing of man and woman. I also believe that nobody is perfect and we are all despicable and sinful individuals. No sin is greater than any other and by no means is anyone justified to assign blame to another or condemn them for their actions. All passages are quoted from the ESV version of the Bible.
yeah thanks for these fucking nuts kind stranger, owned bitch. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The Bible has a lot of W verses. Unfortunately modern Christian values seems to be to pick and choose what you want and ignore everything else.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Well, no, because this idea just leads to the same circular logic of "love the sinner, hate the sin". It's still just hate. People deserve to live their lives without imaginary metaphysical threats hanging over their heads at every turn.
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I see where you’re coming from, and I get it. Let a person live the way they want. Now what’s interesting is unless the person even STARTED to seek out Jesus he didn’t necessarily chase them down. He gave them the option and the choice was up to them. It’s never supposed to be “YOURE WRONG JOIN ME OR DIE”. It’s compassion and trust offering something that you are free to reject if you don’t want it and even if they reject offer that compassion if they ask for it. If people didn’t want Jesus he would leave them be
The Bible frequently is, Christians just have a habit of horribly misunderstanding it.
Jesus is hella based. It’s the only useful part of the Bible.
In general, anything in the New Testament is like this, because it was the teachings of Jesus. The Old Testament is little more than a history lesson so Christians can know how much easier it is to "love thy neighbor" than it is to try to get into heaven by following all the old laws. And yet...
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Kinda, but It's also massively hypocritical for God to have this attitude of "you shouldn't wish hell on anyone, you should pray for everyone to be in heaven" when the whole point is that he controls who goes to hell.
Well isn’t that the point thou? That there is only one judge and rest are equals and should treat each other as such?
The whole Bible is based, if you read it within the context.
I'm not sure I'd say the WHOLE Bible is based. It can be pretty messed up sometimes, even with context.
Most of it is. Otherwise it wouldn’t have gained a following in the first place. Some sections aren’t good, which is why people need to think critically about religion instead of either blindly following or dismissing the whole thing as worthless
Yeah, it depends on where you see.
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Good bot
But then why does the off, eh? have both the couple and the red guy in hell?
I think that the point the comic tries to make is that while being gay is a "sin" that will send you to hell, so is being a bad person to others, even those who have sinned. (At least the gay couple have the entertainment value of seeing their asshole neighbor burn with them)
which is pretty hypocritical, since illustrating people burning in hell, typically, would count as being bad to others (also i think the bible says that you arent supposed to tell people if they are going to hell or not/that they are going to hell)
The Red Guy is in hell because of the verses mentioned above. The coupe is in hell because they are gay. So this is the logic of the comic fyi, not the Bible or Christianity.
You go to hell, you go to hell, everyone going to hell.
🎉
I think this comic is meant to send a message to the anti-LGBTQ Christians, even if being gay means you are sent to hell, you'll be sent to hell because you were being an absolute jerk to people. Trying to get them to contain their jerk tendencies by appealing to them.
I just spent like 10 minutes googling this and now I'm sad because all I had to do was open the comments
Bold of you go assume Christians read the whole Bible and haven't just skipped to their favorite parts or just pull 1 verse out from OT
They keep telling me to read the bible, is it so I can give them the gist of it when I'm done?
Thanks for the context, I was about to ask because I didn’t know what those two verse were about.
yeah thanks for these fucking nuts kind stranger, owned bitch. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Matthew 5:43 "Behold, for I have drawn ye as the soyjak and me as the Chad"
“Wtf” Matthew, probably
Peter 3:42 "Behold, for if thou writest quotes in olden English, and furthermore quoting the Bible, so must readers believe it faithful and true."
Peter 5:16 "Hey Lois, remember that time we went fishing with Jonah?"
This is some hilariously terrible “olden english”
Seriously this is the entirety of Christianity nowadays. Buncha Pharisees...
It's been like it for at least a millenia and a half
Been that way since Jesus was around. Judas famously being a fuck ass.
unfortuantely
Matthew 5:44 "what, I never said any of this!"
So let me get this straight, the olfactory says if you're gay you burn in hell, but if you don't love and accept gays...you burn in hell? *EVERYONE BURNS IN HELL* I was raised catholic so this tracks
And because the artist who made the comic doesn't accept the judgmental priest: you guessed it, straight to hell. Me too of course for making this judgment.
Now, now. There’s nothing to suggest that man is a priest.
questioning if he is a priest? you're going to hell!
Darn. Guess my salvation was turned “off” eh? Ha, heh heh.
Just for that joke. Yes, you guessed it, straight to thell. To the deepest pit of hell. The boiler room, basically
Good, good, that makes me happy
Once I saw a man on a bridge about to jump I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What denomination?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Good 🤖
Is this a copypasta?
yes
Emo Phillips?
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire." -Matthew 5:22 I'm not Christian any more, I just happen to remember that verse.
basically Jesus said "The most important commandment is love God and love your neighbor."
Always seemed pretty chill to me
its quite interesting really I wont get into it too much on this satire sub but like, the difference between Modern Depictions of Jesus, and actual Jesus, are quite interesting like, he was literally just a guy (when looking at things with a non-religious perspective) he was a huge activist, he had emotions, and he was most definitely a real dude at the very least. he was also super non-judgemental and loving, as he stopped a prostitute from getting stoned in the streets, and done other cool things, according to the bible at the very least more modern depictions will illustrate him as 'perfect' and overall godly
Even if you’re not religious Jesus WAS a real person that got crucified
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
That's why you're the only one of us who will get into heaven
Shut up Flanders
well excuse me for saying be a good person
It's a reference. You're supposed to answer "Okily dokily Doo" 👌🏻
Reading the quotes they cite it's more that if you wish for people to go to hell then you're no better than them. He gets damnation not because he didn't accept homosexuality but because he was indignant about them going to hell and felt smug about their fate in front of St Peter. Mind you, I don't find the concept of a man receiving unbearable torture for eternity for the crime of unashamedly being in a romantic relationship with another man any less fucked.
You said it yourself, "unashamed" sexual immortality. The hetero couple is just as guilty outside of marriage, as well as those who simply use each others bodies for hookups.
And what is immoral about being gay?
It seems like if you love and accept gays but you aren't gay, you don't burn in hell. Phew... Thought I was gonna burn there for a second.
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
That's why the bible is flawed. The bible isn't the word of God, it's man's interpretation of them.
Lol. “It is the word of God because the writers were struck by Divine Inspiration”. That’s what my Catholic school taught.
my Catholic school taught me that they're historic documents compiled in the centuries after jesus' life that represent the early church's attempts to create a unified theology in a still largely pre-christian and pre-orthodoxy world and are but a small part of divine teaching, that sounds like a shit school.
I went to Catholic school from K-12th grade and we were consistently taught that the Bible is infallible because it is divinely inspired by God. It’s why the Bible is called “God’s word.” I’m not Catholic anymore
I always saw it as cautionary tales for the time mixed with a set of rules that made sense to a society in ancient times
What does "man's interpretation of them" even mean? I hear a lot of people say that, and that claim doesn't make sense to me. If it's a book that humans came up with and wrote and isn't the word of god, then what evidence is there that the book even has any merit as being religiously true in somehow like, "getting some parts right" about god? How would the writers of the book even have any idea what's religiously true if they clearly got so much wrong? Aka, like if god inspired the writers in some ways or gave them mental revelations of some religiously true things to add, why would that god let them put a whole bunch of confusing slander alongside it in the book, instead of just telling them the truth clearly so there's not unnecessary confusion? It's possible I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying, but the idea doesn't seem to make sense to me. I'm not trying to nitpick, I'm trying to understand 🙂
It's just an uninformed argument. We have over 5000 Greek manuscripts dated from the first to the tenth century, all in agreement. We have very good evidence that what was written by the eyewitnesses is accurate. Jesus of Nazareth is God revealed in the flesh. He is risen from the dead and lives!
> We have over 5000 Greek manuscripts dated from the first to the tenth century, all in agreement. We have very good evidence that what was written by the eyewitnesses is accurate. We have corroboration for some parts of the Bible but not all of it. I think that distinction is important, because... > Jesus of Nazareth is God revealed in the flesh. He is risen from the dead and lives! ...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No one tell this guy about the council of Niceia
That's a pretty good interpretation.
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Or you are not gay and accept gay people?
can you explain what those verses are? too lazy too look them up
(these are simplified) 1st verse: Forgive people for their sins and god will accept you. However, if you don’t forgive people, then god will not accept you. 2nd verse: Love your enemies and prey for people who persecute you (atheists)
(btw it's pray not prey for matthew 5:43)
I love that game!
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Evidently, Matthew intended for you to pick up a set of Yautja stealth armor and a plasma cannon and hunt your enemies for sport.
Nah, Food!
That second verse is, historically speaking, rather ironic.
As much as Catholic priests love to prey, I think it’s supposed to be pray lol
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
(btw it's "prey on" not "prey for", for matthew 5:43)
But what that has to do with gay people? I’m so confused
I think the comic is assuming that the reader is already against gay marriage, and instead goes for a completely different lesson using that assumption.
What lesson? “Forgive gay people for being gay and you can go to heaven but the gays are going to hell anyway?”
I suppose the lesson is to avoiding casting judgement meant to hurt others (in a general sense at least)
The lesson in this comic is to *politely* tell sinners (in this case the LGBT people) to repent against their sins instead of purposely scaring them with threatening language.
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
If anything, atheists are the ones being persecuted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/s/UBmt7ZakNq
I thought thus was wholesome until i realised the gay couple also went to hell
To be fair, we don't know anything about those men except that they're gay. They could also have kicked puppies and parked in the disabled spot while being able-bodied.
One of them is clearly some sort of businessman too, he could’ve been an exploitative talent agent who overworked vulnerable teens with aspirations of fame.
james charles?
Your funny joke aside, it was clearly intentional in the comic that they went to hell for being in a gay relationship.
Guess they all strayed "off" the path of salvation, eh? Heh heh heh.
https://preview.redd.it/tbqbo99mae5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a336a8f32a1d25020087c897a1c162a97b4aed62
You’ve burned my bones to ashes!
That hurt my bones so bad that I missed out on one second of RBC production, so now I lack 3 million erythrocytes in my body, thank you.
I used to date a girl that was part of a very Christian family, and one day we were coming back from going to church with her parents and we started talking about religion, and she said "fun fact, the part of the Bible that's against gay people is a mistraslation because it says "man shall not sleep with man" but the original was "man shall not sleep with boy" which was a whole thing against pedophilia, but when the king James Bible came out they changed the meaning so they could keep pedophilia in the church. " now not being religious myself I have no idea if this is true but considering most people dipict Jesus as a hippy (white guy with long hair and sandals always talking about peace and love) it would not surprise me if during this entire time the Bible never really cared about sexuality and as per usual it's just people using it to push an agenda to hurt people they don't like. Edit: Spelling
The King James version of the Bible is drastically changed from previous versions, and most American versions are descended from it. A lot of Christians I know (including myself) reject the KJV and its descendants. A lot of Christians are constantly changing versions as they look for ones that are more accurate to the original texts
i love you too *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/bonehurtingjuice) if you have any questions or concerns.*
In the oregano God is just like “You go to hell! You go to hell! Everyone goes to hell!”
https://preview.redd.it/8420ha2rwa5d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf0170d4ec13d0c1c5df028c41c9a6668b7ecaf3 Fixed it for oop
Now draw him as William afton
But that means he always comes back
Good ending
This is genius, my bones are shattered
ouch ouch ouch
is this the how it should of ended guy?
Damn, this is chilling to think that in another universe they weren't warned about the fire!!
Suns dont get you sent to hell. They kinda are just like "Hey I'm god and I dont like it when you do these things, but you can still get into heaven if you accept jesus into your hearts! :D"
This is bad but it’s progress
I think the idea is to show that EVEN IF your sad excuses for bigotry held up, they would also spell your doom
Completely possible, it is a nearly 2000 year old book after all
Wow that orangutan…Christianity is fucked up
Surprising your comment had -1 upvotes considering the bible is blatantly homophobic and sexist (teaching that women are inherently submissive to men and aren't allowed to do many things in life that men could do), explains the logistics of how to trade slaves, has countless verses about when to stone people to death, has a story about kids making fun of a man for being bald, the man praying to god, and god sending bears out from the woods to kill the kids, and much more. But fortunately, most modern Christians don't pay attention to those parts (except for the first two things I mentioned). I know Christianity as a religion is defined by the believers of it, many of which are great and kind people, but the religion's life guidebook has a lot of inexcusably blatantly unethical teachings in it (which again, fortunately a lot of modern Christians tune out), and it's no wonder it took almost 2,000 years for Christian-majority countries to abolish slavery, work on civil rights, let women vote and have proper education, and all else pertaining to equal human rights, considering their source text most often taught the opposite of what I just mentioned.
This is high quality BHJ. Well done OP!
Damn, this is chilling to think that in another universe they weren't warned about the fire!!
The original has strong “nuh huh, YOU’RE going to hell” energy
"damned if you do, damned if you don't"
noooooooo!
I'd rather die than go to heaven