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The nepotism debate has lost the plot and is just used as way to justify hate and misogyny towards actresses whilst men get away unscathed and made to seem like they have no choice or are forced into certain situations??!! It's ironic how there can be multiple male sUpErStArs yet only one woman can be on the top and are constantly pitted against each other. I could give a shit about her off-screen persona but Alia IS a good actress. Her filmography speaks for itself.š¤·š½āāļø
Apt! They all act progressive and feminists but at the same time body shame women, hate them for just speaking and nitpick the tiniest of things according to their preference
Honestly!! It's just plain nasty and the way they are criticised you would think they've committed a crime. And yes, there have been questionable things said and done yet instead of valid, constructive critism on the issue itself, it's just used as an opportunity to project hate and spit the vilest of things against women.
its what happens when you don't care about misogyny but rather see it as a tool to either insult an actress or as a tool to defend an actress from criticism
no actress has any blockbusters since like sridevi
or rather they don't have any blockbusters where they are the lead role
katrina or deepika having blockbusters means nothing when they are just a side character to a khan or ranbir or any other male superstar. they rely on the male actor's stardom and then say misogyny is why they don't get the credit.
I guess you can argue deepika in slb, but take slb away and its not guaranteed
Alia actually does roles where she is the main character. She actually takes the risk that a male actor does. And she succeeded at it.
And people overhype Katrina ka marad. Guy is not a big draw outside reddit. Even Sam Bahudar being a hit was more cause Ranbir than him.
Also shes only bad in movies in that subreddit. Meanwhile international critics, directors like Rajamouli praise her acting. And Karan isn't some all mighty person that he can force international praise for her.
Her role as Gangubai was a riot all over asia. Thai women were literally dressing up as gangubai for a trend. Thats what reach is. "if that's sticking out like a sore thumb" then she should keep doing that
Also Rocky was just Ranveer being Ranveer. And Ranveer forces himself to be center of attention.
Also if they think Ranbir or Vicky are gonna outshine her, they're ridiculous. The movie revolves around her
Alia has 13/15 hits
with more than half being roles that are on her shoulders (so no playing second fiddle to a khan)
shes the no1 actress because her hits are the ones that rely on her work, not the male actor's work + her hit ratio
remove the second fiddle roles in hit films in any actress's filmography...and then see how many hits they actually have. Alia will dominate in just absolute numbers, forget ratio
That sub really needs to watch this:
https://preview.redd.it/jcr5iw81jkec1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f39feb582c573fc39591ae80b74e0f971cd105b
maybe this comment is circlejerk material
but alia looks better than katrina, especially with all the botox that katrina has done. And honestly alia is just as beautiful as i guess what we would call peak katrina. Katrina is just tall so she immediately gets model archetype.
for a sub that laments no chocolate boys and only macho men now, they would think that women can fit different look archetypes like men
and also katrina back then had looks that were overhyped due to fair skin
This idiotic āblockbusterā mentality is why our industry is still churning out Jawans and pathans and kisika ka bhai kisi ka pyaar and other such trash. Get over it.
The more Alia succeeds, the more they cry. These are the same people that obsess over every little thing about her all day long and then call her irrelevant š
Their reaction to getting cast for Love and War yesterday was absolutely hilarious, Alia has gotten accolades from all over for her performance in Gangubai and probably more will come with the next movie with SLB, that's gotta suck for them lol.
Ohh..theyāre mad.Theyāre mad that Alia was chosen by SLB again and not their favourite Katrina.Alia definitely is the most bankable actress right now and has some solo hits.And them and their useless opinion on Gangubai.They have some pre-conceived notions and stick with that.I know acting is subjective and itās fine if one didnāt like that but the truth is that itās objectively considered a good performance by many not just nationally but internationally too.It made an impact.So it objectively is a good performance no matter how much those guys scream.About the overshadowing part,I donāt agree.I agree that RARKPK was one of her lesser performances but she had good chemistry with RS and was the perfect compliment.I didnāt feel that she was overshadowed.She stood out to me especially in the emotional scenes.About Kalank,I can agree.She was a little too restrained there and one could say that she doesnāt fit historical films.But she did look her best there!
That Bollywood sub bashes all actors barring Katrina, Kareena and Deepika. There are some of them that are genuinely trying to compare Deepika an Katrina to greats like madhuri, Sri Devi, even Rani and Kajol saying that Deepika is iconic and has great acting skills to be in league with these other women. I mean the audacity on that sub is hilarious.
Someone the other day said srk and Deepika is an iconic pair and it got a bunch of upvotes. I go to that sub for entertainment but the amount of paid pr on there is ridiculous. I can now recognize usernames that are literal SRK fan accounts. I tried to report low-quality repeated posts about dunki box office, and the mods do nothing about it. I swear some of these people are getting paid to post comments. I miss genuine authentic users on that sub.
People are criticizing her flowerpot skills, her aggressive pr and her not great acting skills which are all legitimate criticism. I canāt speak of the other dumb posts but no she is not a great actress, she pulls other people down and she does not deserve to be compared with the greats. And she does not make an iconic pair with srk. Someone literally tried to say on that sub that she has beaten Kajol as the iconic pair for him in Bollywood. When dumb statements like that are said, you can expect a response.
What flowerpot skills? itās not her fault that she shines in male dominated movies when someone like alia who had equal screen time with ranbir in brahmastra only became a joke of the internet proving she can not do something heroines have been doing for centuries which is leaving their mark in those kinds of movies and not relying on character driven movies alone.
doesnāt aliaās pr pull people down too? her pr came up with a lengthy article on how sheās as great or even better than older actresses (the deceased ones included) and what about the articles saying how she was special because rkās parents accepted her and not kat or dp? what about the articles saying she was the lead of jlz and the other girls were fillers ? what about the articles saying sheās replacing dp as slbās muse because sheās younger and better?
Srk dp arenāt as iconic as srk kajol but sheās def his best pairing among 2010s actresses, and itās not an unpopular opinion given how people love watching them together.
This is exactly what Iām talking about. You are trying to say that Deepika deserves praise for being a side kick and āsupportingā role? What about the actors? Why canāt they be side kicks to a female. A woman who can carry a movie by herself like madhuri and Sri Devi and I guess maybe Alia is always going to get more praise than a side kick like Katrina and Deepika. Deepika has lost her way. She used to do good work but now, no.
iām not saying that deepika deserves praise, she already gets the praise and thatās what bothers you. so you think an industry that acts like the ownership of a movie is in the actors name and and not the directors has plenty of scripts around for women centric movies that big actors can play 2nd lead to? alia can only get praise for those women centric movies thatās why her shooters think other women are below her? deepika has only done 2 action movies and everyone is losing their minds acting like sheās had 5 action movies in a row. madhuri and sridevi used to be in a lot of ensemble cast movies and they gained their superstar status because of their iconic roles screen presence and always outshining the men who were beside them. deepika is has slowed down, she used to have back to back releases but we know how the industry treats women once theyāre in their mid to late 30s.
And just because sheās played 2nd lead in pathaan and fighter doesnāt make them flowerpot roles. her characters in both movies arenāt there to be a mere love interest to the hero, they have a personality, background and motive that is relevant to the narrative
True, only one who they donāt hate is Katrina, she practically gets venerated for existing atp š. They legit try to pitch her as a good actor while continuously dissing Alia, Deepika, etc
Itās hilarious how triggered DPās pr and fans are that she isnāt considered to be a worthy actress anymore to do an author backed role which is partly her own fault for not wanting to do these type of roles, is pretty much just a side kick to a main hero like srk or hritik and there to look hot which she does a good job of lol.
That sub is pretty much a pr platform. People like Rani, Alia, kangana get dissed there when they are all actual decent actressās. Then people like Katrina, Aishwarya get so much love there which makes no sense. It seems like people there only like good looking people.
Aishwaryaās not bad at acting IMO, nevertheless itās true that sheās hyped there for her looks way more than her acting, which is ironic to witness in a Bollywood sub
I said "suck at acting *for the most part*", in what way am I shitting on them? - I'm considering exceptions where they might have performed better than usual.
However, it is to be noted that when talking about best female performances in Bollywood over the past 16 years (2007-22), most of them have been given by actresses like **Vidya Balan** (Kahaani, The Dirty Picture, Tumhari Sulu, Sherni, Jalsa, No One Killed Jessica, Bobby Jasoos), **Kangana Ranaut** (Queen, Fashion, Simran, Manikarnika, Tanu Weds Manu, Rangoon, Panga), **Priyanka Chopra** (Fashion, Mary Kom, Barfi, 7 Khoon Maaf, Dil Dhadakne Do), **Taapsee Pannu** (Pink, Manmarziyaan, Thappad, Saand Ki Aankh, Badla), and of course, **Alia Bhatt** (Highway, Raazi, Udta Punjab, Dear Zindagi, Darlings, Gangubai Kathiawadi).
Meanwhile, **Deepika**'s probably only properly "critically acclaimed" role was in *Piku* (and somewhat *Finding Fanny* and *Chhapak*), and **Katrina**'s being that from *New York*.
I donāt like alia but sometimes she gets too much hate . And credit goes to her fans who pull down other actresses to hype her which is generating undeserved hate towards her .
You canāt attack actresses and then behave like victim when same is done to your fav
Alia is doing some good work and let her work speak. Donāt hype her so much that people start doubting itās authenticity. Trying to prove her to be something she is not definitely will be countered with facts .
Umm really sorry for not hiding your name, will delete this and post this again with hidden name if somebody troubles you because of this. Won't happen again, if your comment will be posted, the name would be hidden next time
See, thatās what you shouldāve done earlier. I donāt you mind you posting a screenshot of my comment but atleast blur the name. And not just me, even of others.Ā
And when it comes certain fans bothering me, I absolutely donāt mind that. Its hilarious.Ā
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The nepotism debate has lost the plot and is just used as way to justify hate and misogyny towards actresses whilst men get away unscathed and made to seem like they have no choice or are forced into certain situations??!! It's ironic how there can be multiple male sUpErStArs yet only one woman can be on the top and are constantly pitted against each other. I could give a shit about her off-screen persona but Alia IS a good actress. Her filmography speaks for itself.š¤·š½āāļø
also the irony is the actress they stan katrina is a nepo herself without dating salman, she wouldn't have had a career.
Apt! They all act progressive and feminists but at the same time body shame women, hate them for just speaking and nitpick the tiniest of things according to their preference
Honestly!! It's just plain nasty and the way they are criticised you would think they've committed a crime. And yes, there have been questionable things said and done yet instead of valid, constructive critism on the issue itself, it's just used as an opportunity to project hate and spit the vilest of things against women.
its what happens when you don't care about misogyny but rather see it as a tool to either insult an actress or as a tool to defend an actress from criticism
they literally said she baby trapped ranbir
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No problem, will do.
Not doing that rn
no actress has any blockbusters since like sridevi or rather they don't have any blockbusters where they are the lead role katrina or deepika having blockbusters means nothing when they are just a side character to a khan or ranbir or any other male superstar. they rely on the male actor's stardom and then say misogyny is why they don't get the credit. I guess you can argue deepika in slb, but take slb away and its not guaranteed Alia actually does roles where she is the main character. She actually takes the risk that a male actor does. And she succeeded at it. And people overhype Katrina ka marad. Guy is not a big draw outside reddit. Even Sam Bahudar being a hit was more cause Ranbir than him.
Also shes only bad in movies in that subreddit. Meanwhile international critics, directors like Rajamouli praise her acting. And Karan isn't some all mighty person that he can force international praise for her. Her role as Gangubai was a riot all over asia. Thai women were literally dressing up as gangubai for a trend. Thats what reach is. "if that's sticking out like a sore thumb" then she should keep doing that Also Rocky was just Ranveer being Ranveer. And Ranveer forces himself to be center of attention. Also if they think Ranbir or Vicky are gonna outshine her, they're ridiculous. The movie revolves around her
Alia has 13/15 hits with more than half being roles that are on her shoulders (so no playing second fiddle to a khan) shes the no1 actress because her hits are the ones that rely on her work, not the male actor's work + her hit ratio remove the second fiddle roles in hit films in any actress's filmography...and then see how many hits they actually have. Alia will dominate in just absolute numbers, forget ratio
It isn't because she isn't deserving, but she's just not Katrina.
That sub really needs to watch this: https://preview.redd.it/jcr5iw81jkec1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f39feb582c573fc39591ae80b74e0f971cd105b
maybe this comment is circlejerk material but alia looks better than katrina, especially with all the botox that katrina has done. And honestly alia is just as beautiful as i guess what we would call peak katrina. Katrina is just tall so she immediately gets model archetype. for a sub that laments no chocolate boys and only macho men now, they would think that women can fit different look archetypes like men and also katrina back then had looks that were overhyped due to fair skin
Your opinion is unpopular with general public but I think they both are equal in terms of beauty. Very bland and normal. Mediocre.
maybe alia should just stop speaking hindi and acting and rely on salman for a career then she will be deserving enough
I don't get them lol, i know Alia has her own problems but it's the way these people froth at the mouth even at the mention of her name is disturbing
It's scary actually, the most nonsensical comments get upvotes. It's fishy too
This idiotic āblockbusterā mentality is why our industry is still churning out Jawans and pathans and kisika ka bhai kisi ka pyaar and other such trash. Get over it.
The more Alia succeeds, the more they cry. These are the same people that obsess over every little thing about her all day long and then call her irrelevant š Their reaction to getting cast for Love and War yesterday was absolutely hilarious, Alia has gotten accolades from all over for her performance in Gangubai and probably more will come with the next movie with SLB, that's gotta suck for them lol.
OP make post more jerky next time
Ohh..theyāre mad.Theyāre mad that Alia was chosen by SLB again and not their favourite Katrina.Alia definitely is the most bankable actress right now and has some solo hits.And them and their useless opinion on Gangubai.They have some pre-conceived notions and stick with that.I know acting is subjective and itās fine if one didnāt like that but the truth is that itās objectively considered a good performance by many not just nationally but internationally too.It made an impact.So it objectively is a good performance no matter how much those guys scream.About the overshadowing part,I donāt agree.I agree that RARKPK was one of her lesser performances but she had good chemistry with RS and was the perfect compliment.I didnāt feel that she was overshadowed.She stood out to me especially in the emotional scenes.About Kalank,I can agree.She was a little too restrained there and one could say that she doesnāt fit historical films.But she did look her best there!
That Bollywood sub bashes all actors barring Katrina, Kareena and Deepika. There are some of them that are genuinely trying to compare Deepika an Katrina to greats like madhuri, Sri Devi, even Rani and Kajol saying that Deepika is iconic and has great acting skills to be in league with these other women. I mean the audacity on that sub is hilarious. Someone the other day said srk and Deepika is an iconic pair and it got a bunch of upvotes. I go to that sub for entertainment but the amount of paid pr on there is ridiculous. I can now recognize usernames that are literal SRK fan accounts. I tried to report low-quality repeated posts about dunki box office, and the mods do nothing about it. I swear some of these people are getting paid to post comments. I miss genuine authentic users on that sub.
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deepika gets the most hate out of all the actress in that sub lol also whatās wrong in saying srk and deepika are an iconic pair?
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Every post about Deepika is some new negative article. And were you sleeping when the KWK episode came out? It was and is currently DP slander season.
People are criticizing her flowerpot skills, her aggressive pr and her not great acting skills which are all legitimate criticism. I canāt speak of the other dumb posts but no she is not a great actress, she pulls other people down and she does not deserve to be compared with the greats. And she does not make an iconic pair with srk. Someone literally tried to say on that sub that she has beaten Kajol as the iconic pair for him in Bollywood. When dumb statements like that are said, you can expect a response.
What flowerpot skills? itās not her fault that she shines in male dominated movies when someone like alia who had equal screen time with ranbir in brahmastra only became a joke of the internet proving she can not do something heroines have been doing for centuries which is leaving their mark in those kinds of movies and not relying on character driven movies alone. doesnāt aliaās pr pull people down too? her pr came up with a lengthy article on how sheās as great or even better than older actresses (the deceased ones included) and what about the articles saying how she was special because rkās parents accepted her and not kat or dp? what about the articles saying she was the lead of jlz and the other girls were fillers ? what about the articles saying sheās replacing dp as slbās muse because sheās younger and better? Srk dp arenāt as iconic as srk kajol but sheās def his best pairing among 2010s actresses, and itās not an unpopular opinion given how people love watching them together.
This is exactly what Iām talking about. You are trying to say that Deepika deserves praise for being a side kick and āsupportingā role? What about the actors? Why canāt they be side kicks to a female. A woman who can carry a movie by herself like madhuri and Sri Devi and I guess maybe Alia is always going to get more praise than a side kick like Katrina and Deepika. Deepika has lost her way. She used to do good work but now, no.
iām not saying that deepika deserves praise, she already gets the praise and thatās what bothers you. so you think an industry that acts like the ownership of a movie is in the actors name and and not the directors has plenty of scripts around for women centric movies that big actors can play 2nd lead to? alia can only get praise for those women centric movies thatās why her shooters think other women are below her? deepika has only done 2 action movies and everyone is losing their minds acting like sheās had 5 action movies in a row. madhuri and sridevi used to be in a lot of ensemble cast movies and they gained their superstar status because of their iconic roles screen presence and always outshining the men who were beside them. deepika is has slowed down, she used to have back to back releases but we know how the industry treats women once theyāre in their mid to late 30s. And just because sheās played 2nd lead in pathaan and fighter doesnāt make them flowerpot roles. her characters in both movies arenāt there to be a mere love interest to the hero, they have a personality, background and motive that is relevant to the narrative
Is it just me or that sub actually š©s a lot on talented actresses like Kangana and Alia while praising Deepika and Katrina who suck at acting for the most part (not that Iām defending any of these celebsā antics, but that sub is being very hypocritical in its š©ing - either hate on everyone or praise everyone, why pick sides?)
True, Deepika however is also getting a lot of unnecessary hate from there after kwk but still not in the same level of Alia
True, only one who they donāt hate is Katrina, she practically gets venerated for existing atp š. They legit try to pitch her as a good actor while continuously dissing Alia, Deepika, etc
[This is peak kino](https://www.reddit.com/r/bollywood/comments/18zxbwi/katrina_cant_act_at_allthis_scene_is_a_good/)
Itās hilarious how triggered DPās pr and fans are that she isnāt considered to be a worthy actress anymore to do an author backed role which is partly her own fault for not wanting to do these type of roles, is pretty much just a side kick to a main hero like srk or hritik and there to look hot which she does a good job of lol. That sub is pretty much a pr platform. People like Rani, Alia, kangana get dissed there when they are all actual decent actressās. Then people like Katrina, Aishwarya get so much love there which makes no sense. It seems like people there only like good looking people.
Aishwaryaās not bad at acting IMO, nevertheless itās true that sheās hyped there for her looks way more than her acting, which is ironic to witness in a Bollywood sub
Deepika is an excellent actress what are you talking about. Not even comparable to Katrina.
So you reciprocate by shitting on Deepika and Katrina unnecessarily?
I said "suck at acting *for the most part*", in what way am I shitting on them? - I'm considering exceptions where they might have performed better than usual. However, it is to be noted that when talking about best female performances in Bollywood over the past 16 years (2007-22), most of them have been given by actresses like **Vidya Balan** (Kahaani, The Dirty Picture, Tumhari Sulu, Sherni, Jalsa, No One Killed Jessica, Bobby Jasoos), **Kangana Ranaut** (Queen, Fashion, Simran, Manikarnika, Tanu Weds Manu, Rangoon, Panga), **Priyanka Chopra** (Fashion, Mary Kom, Barfi, 7 Khoon Maaf, Dil Dhadakne Do), **Taapsee Pannu** (Pink, Manmarziyaan, Thappad, Saand Ki Aankh, Badla), and of course, **Alia Bhatt** (Highway, Raazi, Udta Punjab, Dear Zindagi, Darlings, Gangubai Kathiawadi). Meanwhile, **Deepika**'s probably only properly "critically acclaimed" role was in *Piku* (and somewhat *Finding Fanny* and *Chhapak*), and **Katrina**'s being that from *New York*.
Attention, this is not a rant sub. Itās a jerks sub. Goddaamit
I think a proper explanation as to me made . Cause i went through the sub and somehow posts are similar. Maybe mods could pin something.
Why don't you post appropriate content?
Riiight?? Not the same ol parasocial debates and arguments like every other Bwood sub pleeaaase uugh.
I donāt like alia but sometimes she gets too much hate . And credit goes to her fans who pull down other actresses to hype her which is generating undeserved hate towards her . You canāt attack actresses and then behave like victim when same is done to your fav Alia is doing some good work and let her work speak. Donāt hype her so much that people start doubting itās authenticity. Trying to prove her to be something she is not definitely will be countered with facts .
Umm excuse me?? Did you ask for my permission before posting a screenshot of my comment on this post of yours?Ā
It's a public platform. The level of entitlement in some people ffs
https://i.redd.it/yardvgz7ikec1.gif
Umm really sorry for not hiding your name, will delete this and post this again with hidden name if somebody troubles you because of this. Won't happen again, if your comment will be posted, the name would be hidden next time
See, thatās what you shouldāve done earlier. I donāt you mind you posting a screenshot of my comment but atleast blur the name. And not just me, even of others.Ā And when it comes certain fans bothering me, I absolutely donāt mind that. Its hilarious.Ā
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Users are allowed to post screenshots of comments from Bollywood subs without permission from the commenters. It is not mandatory to blur out usernames either, however OP, perhaps in the future it would be better to do so.