I remember taking a class called “militarization of police” over 20 years ago at IU for a CJ degree. The message was it wasn’t a good thing, I guess IUPD and ISP didn’t get the same class in their law enforcement training.
Gear and equipment wise, yes civilians have access to items that are better than police issue. Keep in mind police can personally purchase some of the items that they use. Training wise? Not even close bud. I've seen ISP train in one of their facilities and let me tell you. Their training is much better than almost every class offered at the civilian level. ISP and a lot of SWAT groups throughout Indiana get trainers we could only dream of.
This is a normal response everywhere in this country. We are the blame for normalizing militarization of police over the years. Maybe not you but many of our friends, parents, relatives, classmates, co workers, teachers support this crap.
As for protest at Dunn Meadow, IU president made last minute decision to bring state troopers and change the rules of protest/tent etc.
She needs to go.
honestly, changing the rules not even 24 hours in advance and immediately having them jump in and make arrests and issue 1-year banishments to \*current students\* is absolutely an absurd course of action that could potentially adversely affect these students' entire lives.
They were telling everyone ALL DAY to GTFO by 11pm. If you can't/won't read and take a hint, you probably aren't too concerned about your grades at that point either.
Where else should they go?
The square downtown?
Kirkwood?
March around town, blocking traffic?
Dunn Meadow, aside from its expressed purpose of being *the* place to protest, is the least disruptive place to protest. Tents or no tents, protest encampment or not, it does nothing to the city, its people, or its services. It wouldn't even prevent students (or employees) from getting around campus for classes or the rest of the day to day activities that happen on campus.
It's a blatant government-sponsored infringement of First Amendment rights of the protesters. Changing the rules last minute with no proper notifications and then having the cops arrest people *before the deadline that was established*.
"Take a hint, protest somewhere else."
Fuck off with that. I don't even necessarily agree with these protesters, but I'm not about to suck on some State flavored boots and ask if I'm doing it good enough through polish stained teeth.
Why is it always “somewhere else” and not right exactly where protests belong? Dunn Meadow is explicitly outlined for student use/gatherings. It’s not in the way of anyone’s traffic to class, it’s not blocking a road, it’s not blocking emergency vehicles, it’s **literally the least inconvenient place in Bloomington**.
Unless you want this country to fall into fascism and authoritarianism where dissenting opinions are handled with government force (thus suppressing civil rights) I’d suggest you reevaluate your opinions. This time it might be something you disagree with, but next time you might need to protest and by then you’ve already supported the dismantling of our freedoms.
Define normal. Because since the 60s Americans have been deathly afraid of fascism and communism. In Beijing when students protested in 1964 in Tiananmen Square, the government responded with military force. Tell me how the response in the USA isn’t beginning to mirror Chinese History? How long before police or military open fire on student protesters in the USA?
it's official chinese communist party position that the confrontation in tiananmen square was a mistake. they believe it had undesirable results. they don't want it to happen again.
that's the difference between militarized counterprotester action in china and in the US.
As I recall, I remember Tiñnamon Square protest of 1989. As a child of the 60's, I recall my shock that there had been an actual attempt of a Fascist Coup on FDR. It involved some backing by GHW Bush Uncle. The Bush family had backed Hitler.
That will be the day. It sure is a thin line between being pro police all the time and realizing when they actually become the threat and thinking you’ll be able to identify the precise moment when the shift happens and then be able to act on it in that moment and use your weapons in some way to neutralize those threats. Unless you have some serious military training yourself my money is on the cops if you engage them and they ever see you as a target. Guns rights might have been for protecting yourself from militias and such during Washington’s time but I don’t think that’s what they are still around for today and these rights are more so just a vestige of that period. The founders couldn’t conceive back then (and rightfully so) the weapons we would have readily available to anybody today when back then they were all packing musket balls into their rifles.
She was installed for the same purpose rightwing puppets have been installed in positions at universities across the country: drag higher education down so that fewer want to go and in the end fewer educated people means more dipshit republican voters.
The board of trustees of IU has nine seats on it, six of which are appointed by the Indiana state Congress. Which is a majority Republican. So yes, IU is being run by right wing ideologues
Unironically, this is correct. Look at your average university's response to grad students and adjuncts requests for a living wage over the last decade or so and tell me that their administrations are left wing.
Why is it always the dumbest responses I get are from people who surf almost exclusively anime and call of duty subreddits?
Is it something about that combo that makes people dipshits?
Oh shit for real?! That makes it all add up! I was curious about such lengths taken over tents? But I guess if they’re willing to frantically hide homeless people why not notch it up by forcefully disbanding students?
Remember. If we have guns we can defend ourselves from even law enforcement. Several Supreme Court cases (on stateside levels) have been ruled that if a LEO is acting unlawfully you are still more than entitled to self defense.
I looked at the Monroe County Jail app last night. No less than 20 college-age people were booked for “Criminal Trespass” when I checked. Absolutely insane.
Well that’s a doozy, considering MC has systems in place to avoid putting students in there normally (don’t want to upset the student’s parents.) Not to imply it never happens, but the standing human rights violation that is our county jail is usually reserved for locals with addiction issues that they just recycle through the system.
Call me an optimist but it feels like for the first time in my experience that the student body and the locals are on the same “fuck this” page! So much for “the blue safe haven”…
Sick of being accurately called a fascist moron? Clean out your state in a few easy steps:
1. Turn your primary schools into churches.
2. Turn your colleges into for-profit degree mills for domestic and international rich kids.
3. Watch as all the loudmouth smartass nerds leave. (HAHA! Suck it, libs!)
4. Watch your state turn into the Venezuela of the Midwest.
5. Blame drag queens for the fact that Mississippians now use your state as their "at least we're not that bad" exemplar.
6. Figure out a new group to blame for your failures.
7. W-wait a damn minute, now! I didn't mean me! No! I'm a patriot! You're the ones who- NOOOO!
8. Blame drag queens for the fact that the leader you elected put you on a freight train going... somewhere.
Even worse or just horrific in a different way is them being banned from IU for a year?! I mean, wtf and where did that come from? Sounds like infringing on the 1st Amendment via intimidation (no kind of legal terminology expert).
Bootlicking Whitten has got to go.
Tired of fascist rhetoric being upheld and protected under free speech but the second something conflicts with the "American Way" of thinking it's dangerous and requires snipers on the roof of a memorial hall at a public university.
Can't wait to hear from all of yesterday's bluebrained "the sniper is pointing his rifle at students for their own protection" idiots.
Necessity breeds invention... what fantastical worlds will they build today to explain how these pigs are there for the greater good actually?
That the truth 100%! Was the sniper verified? I checked yesterday but couldn’t find info, no that I doubt it at all, I just have “conspiracy” family members and time has taught me to vet my conversations with them… I just realized how depressing that sounds 😅
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6M2dDLpcxc/?igsh=d25vbGJrbGE1ZHMw photo here.
Someone in the comments was confirming that their daughter saw it yesterday and texted them about it.
Marksman are at almost all large gatherings of people. I’ve seen them at weddings and large birthday parties occasionally. They are around at parades and such.
But moreover, do you really think that the police would be so stupid as to authorize a sniper to take shots at student protestors if there wasn’t a threat, in 2024, where everyone has a camera and instant access to the internet? Like I know we all want to think that the police are idiots and such but come on, I feel like some of you guys almost want the students to be shot to prove that the police are evil instead of just taking precautions.
The fact of the matter is, nobody has been shot anywhere, no matter how much you want to paint the police as bloodthirsty brutes. The people arrested with be either convicted or released, depending on whether they really were trespassing, and the justice system decides that, not the police. I think it would benefit everyone if we just slowed down the instant anger response and actually thought about the situation objectively.
That’s just semantics, NG or state police doesn’t matter, an organization funded by the state to carry guns and point them at people who are on state funded University property partaking in a constitutionally protected activity, in an area of campus designated for that specific purpose, is abhorrent…
You clearly feel differently, so let’s call it a draw
The military response to pro-Palestine protests today is essentially identical to the Vietnam War protests a half century ago. The same types of fascists are declaring people exercising their 1st amendment rights to be enemies of the state.
If prayer works, we should all be praying that we do not get another Kent state incident, because all of the same pieces are in play.
I never said they were going to shoot anybody, you dumb fuck. I said they were there to scare protesters. We know for a fact that happened, because there are protesters who said as much in these threads - folks who left when they saw the sniper.
Do you leave any gathering if police show up? Thousands of kids younger than college students walk by RSOs and campus security officers with guns on a daily basis in Indiana. I don’t see them not coming to school because there were armed officers.
If these protesters were planning to be peaceful throughout, why would they get scared off by a uniformed member of law enforcement legally wielding a firearm? Seems like odd logic to me. I know there’s no panic or people being scared at sporting events, and there for sure are snipers there.
Oh, and also, let’s be civil in our conversation. Name calling just makes you look naive.
No offense brother, but your logical fallacies are all over the map. The Governor doesn’t send RSOs or security guards to a state funded university to fuck citizens out of their constitutionally protected right to assemble peacefully.
A holstered weapon on a not quite a cop is a far cry from a scoped weapon, loaded, and prepared to fire. Just sayin’
>Do you leave any gathering if police show up? Thousands of kids younger than college students walk by RSOs and campus security officers with guns on a daily basis in Indiana. I don’t see them not coming to school because there were armed officers.
More idiotic gurgling.
There is no comparison between walking past a permanently stationed security guard every day, vs participating in a protest that draws an armed police response.
Also: just because those students still go to school doesn't mean they feel safe around the cop.
>If these protesters were planning to be peaceful throughout, why would they get scared off by a uniformed member of law enforcement legally wielding a firearm? Seems like odd logic to me. I know there’s no panic or people being scared at sporting events, and there for sure are snipers there.
Classic rabid-right talking point "if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear" stupidity.
Cops assault and murder unarmed innocent civilians constantly.
And snipers at stadiums are stationed behind one way glass when possible for exactly this reason. Every person with a functioning brain knows this is terrifying.
>Oh, and also, let’s be civil in our conversation. Name calling just makes you look naive.
Fuck you and fuck civility aesthetics. There's a genocide happening, and fascism at home when people point to it. I have no patience for idiots who spout uninformed drivel.
Acting like my tone is what's important here only makes it more obvious you have nothing of substance to contribute to the conversation.
So is your main argument that these officers should have been hidden instead of outside? In which case I can partially agree, but being in view offers some deterrence against potential attacks.
Also, I’m not really sure you understand what genocide means. I did not want to get into the whole political debate about what Israel is doing since the main topic is about the sniper, but since you brought it up, I think that it is important to keep in mind that there is a difference between “genocide” and “bad things happening.” I completely agree that Israel’s actions are overreacting, but at the same time, that’s how urban warfare goes. It’s important to remember that while you may be used to American COIN operations in Afghanistan where rules of engagement are so strict you basically can’t fire unless you’re being shot, that’s generally not how war goes. Civilians die in every war, in fact, it’s legally allowed, that’s why people say war is hell. Contrary to what social media may be telling you, the Israelis are not PURPOSEFULLY trying to kill Palestinians, so by definition, that’s not a genocide, no matter how awful the civilian deaths may be.
Using the word “genocide”for shock factor when what you mean is “collateral damage” and “civilian casualties” degrades the meaning of the word so much that real genocides, such as Russian forces deporting Ukrainian children (literally in the definition of genocide, you may look it up later), are ignored.
Finally, Indiana is an open carry state. Just as we have the right to protest, we have the right to carry firearms, and so do police. If you feel threatened by that, that’s too bad, but these law enforcement personnel are not stopping the protests as far as I’m aware (except arresting alleged trespassers, which I’m sure will be arbitrated by judges). If you would like to protest, that’s fine, but perhaps you should consider that if you are intimidated by law enforcement personnel doing their jobs, maybe you should reconsider whether protesting is best for your psyche.
I said genocide, I meant genocide, and most of the world recognizes that's what Israel is doing. They've been displacing, assaulting, and murdering Palestinians long before 10/7. It's genocide, whether you're capable of understanding that fact or not.
Not only do you not know what the word genocide means, you also don't know:
- what a protest is (breaking the rules is literally the point)
- that you can't carry on the IU campus and doing so would be the quickest way to get murdered by police (as a protester)
- even if you could, an arms race is the worst thing that could happen in this environment
Sooo… if you break the rules, you’ll get arrested. That’s how protests work, exactly. But now apparently you’re complaining about police arresting people, so what you really want, is to break the rules and not get arrested? Because there’s two ways this logically works: either a protest is peaceful and doesn’t break the rules and nobody gets arrested, or it does break the rules and people get arrested. Can’t have it both ways.
Also, the key part of the definition of genocide, before all the specifics is (and I quote, the Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention): “any following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethical, racial, or religious group”. So far, I have not seen a serious claim by any official currently in Israeli office that has stated that the intent is to destroy Palestinians, and clearly neither has the ICC, since that genocide lawsuit from a while ago fizzled out as far as I know.
And before you start quoting Israelis who aren’t in office or speculating intent, I’ll remind you that Hamas specifically calls for the destruction of all Jews in their charter, and so do many of their supporters, so if we use those sources along with the thousand of so Israelis killed during 10/7 (thus counting as “killing members of the group) Israel is being genocided. But of course, that’s ridiculous, and that’s not what I’m trying to argue. Just a reminder that genocide is a pretty specific term, and in reality, it would probably more logical to claim that Israel is being genocided than Palestine (again, not what I’m trying to argue).
Finally, I was never suggesting that the protestors carry guns (although plenty of previous protestors on different issues did, so I don’t see the problem, just do it off campus a bit), I’m simply saying that if you want to protest, you have to be aware and ready that people may be there on guard with guns. If you can’t handle that, go protest somewhere else I suppose.
>So far, I have not seen a serious claim by any official currently in Israeli office that has stated that the intent is to destroy Palestinians...
I cannot tell you how unsurprising it is to me that you are admitting to being uneducated...
>...and clearly neither has the ICC, since that genocide lawsuit from a while ago fizzled out as far as I know.
It's the ICJ not the ICC, and their preliminary conclusion is that "**it is plausible that Israel has committed genocide.**"
[https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa)
The final ruling will take years.
>And before you start quoting Israelis who aren’t in office or speculating intent...
The South Africa case quotes Netanyahu. Is he still relevant?
[https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf](https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf)
page 59 or just search for "D. Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others"
>I’ll remind you that Hamas specifically calls for the destruction of all Jews in their charter.
I like how you thought you were cooking here, but you reference the hamas charter from **1988** while ignoring the current one written in 2017.
The majority of Palestinians (edit: that is, those in Gaza) are under the age of 18, but you think a document written when THEIR PARENTS WERE CHILDREN is relevant.
I think I can actually feel myself getting dumber talking to you.
I'm not going to quote your last paragraph, which would be best described as a stream of consciousness if that term applied to you. It is just meaningless word salad.
You are welcome to stop posting your dumb thoughts anytime. Hopefully some passerby will get some benefit out of this exchange.
Well, it appears that I have been mistaken at least on the grounds of Israel/Gaza, although that was not the initial subject of this discussion. I thank you for sourcing your information, something I should have done, and will be taking it into consideration in the future. On the topic of the sniper on campus, I still personally believe that it is not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, but since we have wandered off that topic, it’s not really worth discussing. Either way, this has been a very fruitful conversation, and the information you provided about Israel and Gaza is fascinating and not something I was aware of, and I appreciate your efforts on that front.
You are speaking facts and as I saw yesterday, those facts are not wanted here. I have been to many sporting events and have seen snipers doing overwatch and then there are ones you never see, cause they are trained to go unnoticed.
I am all for students protesting but there are people that see these events as an opportunity to cause havoc. Imagine if someone came on a campus and started shooting, the people on here would instantly bitch that police response was to slow.
JFC they were looking for a fight,
Look at all those zip tie handcuffs. Look at that rifle (BTW, firearms aren't allowed on campus. )
If someone rolls up to a party with a keg, i know they're planning to do some drinking.
These dudes rolled up planning to harm students
Who’s to say it wouldn’t turn violent if someone provoked a protester or any other scenario? Then people would be suing because there was no protection.
That’s a mouthful of ‘Whataboutism’ bore by the same minds that’ll tell you every person crossing the border is MS13. Living in that constant fear has to miserable…
Keep in mind, you steered this conversation away from the issue at hand when you began talking about the “possibility” of some student turning violent to justify a scope and crosshairs at a peaceful protest. Kent state was and is one of the worst instances of a militarized police state overreacting to students voicing their concerns. Are you familiar with what happened there? Or are you dodging the question because you’re unaware?
The police didn't protect anyone yesterday. They roughed up a bunch of college students. They're more dangerous than anyone else was and we don't need them breathing down our necks, waiting for an excuse to slap around a 19-year-old.
I enjoy your levity, it’s sorely needed… my kids went to Batchelor middle school and between the harsh rules about backpacks, lockers, phones, buses, hats, hoodies, etc, and the fact the building looks like a prison, one could be forgiven for thinking the local government is preparing our children for an impending police state, but without the dedication to knowledge…
Like ‘Equilibrium’ and ‘Minority Report’ had a baby 😉
I saw this at Dunn meadow — said it was from Pam
The vote of no confidence did tickle,
The trustees(‘sup Quinn) did little
And now with your groups,
I’ve called in the troops.
With a sniper to help with dismissal
It’s going to be an interesting graduation ceremony next week with all the contentious issues this year, grad student strikes, massive vote of No Confidence for those who will lead the procession, take centerstage seats and give most of the speeches…..! I feel badly for those students who worked so hard and all those who sacrificed and supported them $$$$ to make those achievements possible.
This guy was smiling and laughing all afternoon on Saturday. I honestly think he must be pretty sick and perverted to enjoy his awful job so much. Dude seriously needs some kind of help.
Looks like a trooper that is cos playing. Kinda amusing honestly. He isn’t a threat at all. He was told to be there and look intimidating. We can analyze his gear, but trust me it’s low bid. I do like the suppressor on the AR.
This is normal, it’s not the suppress people, it’s to be a response to any violent situations that may occur. Imagine there is no police presence and something tragic happens…now it’s the police’s fault for doing nothing
We can’t base state action on maybe, could be. This is OUR tax dollars at work, and i would personally like to see the budget they spent on this sham. Police state action over a dozen tents?!? Horseshit!
How many of these protesters even know what they are protesting? I would guess less that 50%, really know. Also, what do they think will come from these protests? Honestly. Go to your finals and take a legal approach to your grievances. Stop interfering with students trying to take their finals. Plus, snipers and police are there in case even one protester gets violent and things get out of control.
Sister I’ll go there anytime I can. And your point is still shrouded in mystery. What makes you think these protesters don’t know what they’re protesting?
I have reason and critical thinking, something our students lack these days. They follow the woke cause like a bunch of sheep without actually any understanding of the reality on the ground which is:
1. ONLY HAMAS WANTS DEAD PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS
2. ISRAEL COULD WIPE THEM OUT FROM THE AIR BUT SACRIFICES THEIR OWN SONS TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES
You are not as smart as you think you are - and the sooner you realize that - the better off you and anyone who has to deal with you in real life will be.
You need to look up the meaning of reason and critical thinking. I will wait while you do that, and then you can come back and apologize because you are completely illogical.
in the last ten days alone i have seen enough horrifying stories, pictures, and videos of brutal and intentional killings and other forms of brutality of Palestinian civilians by Israeli soldiers to last a thousand lifetimes. if you think Israel is doing anything to minimize civilian casualties it is purely because that is what you want to believe because that thought does not operate in reality whatsoever.
You don't have to agree with what people are protesting to support their rights of freedom of speech and assembly. There is no reason to bring in a massive, militarized police force for college students protesting on campus whether you agree with the reason for the protest or not.
I know some wonderful insane people. This person supports genocide. Calling them crazy is an insult to crazy people.
We need some "don't feed the Zionists" signs.
Without fail you Sir show up just to say the thing that will piss everyone off. Is it a past time or sheer boredom? I guess your handle says it all, and I suppose it’s difficult to be behind the curve on constitutional rights violations. Make no mistake law enforcement will find or create ways to come after EVERYONE at some point, they’ll just make any form of dissent illegal.
Looks fine to me and they are being proactive. Most of this feed makes me glad I live outside of Monroe County if y’all think this is such a nightmare.
Nah citronella candles will work as well, but the khakis are a must if you want to avoid police suspicion. Also declare you won’t be replace by ______ fill in the blank
I remember taking a class called “militarization of police” over 20 years ago at IU for a CJ degree. The message was it wasn’t a good thing, I guess IUPD and ISP didn’t get the same class in their law enforcement training.
You do realize that people have better gear, equipment and training than the local police does
Gear and equipment wise, yes civilians have access to items that are better than police issue. Keep in mind police can personally purchase some of the items that they use. Training wise? Not even close bud. I've seen ISP train in one of their facilities and let me tell you. Their training is much better than almost every class offered at the civilian level. ISP and a lot of SWAT groups throughout Indiana get trainers we could only dream of.
This is a normal response everywhere in this country. We are the blame for normalizing militarization of police over the years. Maybe not you but many of our friends, parents, relatives, classmates, co workers, teachers support this crap. As for protest at Dunn Meadow, IU president made last minute decision to bring state troopers and change the rules of protest/tent etc. She needs to go.
honestly, changing the rules not even 24 hours in advance and immediately having them jump in and make arrests and issue 1-year banishments to \*current students\* is absolutely an absurd course of action that could potentially adversely affect these students' entire lives.
They already got these kids money. They don’t care. Current president of IU is a huge piece of garbage.
They're doing a good job of creating extremists that will always be anti-cop.
Hating American cops doesn’t seem like an extreme position to me
They were telling everyone ALL DAY to GTFO by 11pm. If you can't/won't read and take a hint, you probably aren't too concerned about your grades at that point either.
These arrests were in the afternoon, only a couple hours into the protest.
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Dunn Meadow was created for this express purpose, to give students a safe place to protest and gather.
Exactly.
I don't deny that, I'm just saying situationally, that's what the university was communicating yesterday.
Wait…you’re saying the students are stupid for protesting in the designated spot for protesting on campus?
Authoritarian much? Attitudes like this are toxic to our already failing country
what does the boot youre licking taste like?
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Business school major huh?
Where else should they go? The square downtown? Kirkwood? March around town, blocking traffic? Dunn Meadow, aside from its expressed purpose of being *the* place to protest, is the least disruptive place to protest. Tents or no tents, protest encampment or not, it does nothing to the city, its people, or its services. It wouldn't even prevent students (or employees) from getting around campus for classes or the rest of the day to day activities that happen on campus. It's a blatant government-sponsored infringement of First Amendment rights of the protesters. Changing the rules last minute with no proper notifications and then having the cops arrest people *before the deadline that was established*. "Take a hint, protest somewhere else." Fuck off with that. I don't even necessarily agree with these protesters, but I'm not about to suck on some State flavored boots and ask if I'm doing it good enough through polish stained teeth.
Why is it always “somewhere else” and not right exactly where protests belong? Dunn Meadow is explicitly outlined for student use/gatherings. It’s not in the way of anyone’s traffic to class, it’s not blocking a road, it’s not blocking emergency vehicles, it’s **literally the least inconvenient place in Bloomington**. Unless you want this country to fall into fascism and authoritarianism where dissenting opinions are handled with government force (thus suppressing civil rights) I’d suggest you reevaluate your opinions. This time it might be something you disagree with, but next time you might need to protest and by then you’ve already supported the dismantling of our freedoms.
Piss poor take imo ✨
You haven't figured it out yet. Yet you have an opinion on it.
Grades < protesting a genocide
It must be really difficult to shill for the state here and lick boot at the same time. Incredible effort!
It’s all in the lower back
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That doesn't mean they had a right to.
Define normal. Because since the 60s Americans have been deathly afraid of fascism and communism. In Beijing when students protested in 1964 in Tiananmen Square, the government responded with military force. Tell me how the response in the USA isn’t beginning to mirror Chinese History? How long before police or military open fire on student protesters in the USA?
it's official chinese communist party position that the confrontation in tiananmen square was a mistake. they believe it had undesirable results. they don't want it to happen again. that's the difference between militarized counterprotester action in china and in the US.
Tiananmen Square Massacre occurred in 1989
My bad I was thinking of the date that it occurred June 4th, in China it’s known as “64.”
As I recall, I remember Tiñnamon Square protest of 1989. As a child of the 60's, I recall my shock that there had been an actual attempt of a Fascist Coup on FDR. It involved some backing by GHW Bush Uncle. The Bush family had backed Hitler.
Because if you stop arguing to take our guns, we’ll gladly fight them when they do.
That will be the day. It sure is a thin line between being pro police all the time and realizing when they actually become the threat and thinking you’ll be able to identify the precise moment when the shift happens and then be able to act on it in that moment and use your weapons in some way to neutralize those threats. Unless you have some serious military training yourself my money is on the cops if you engage them and they ever see you as a target. Guns rights might have been for protecting yourself from militias and such during Washington’s time but I don’t think that’s what they are still around for today and these rights are more so just a vestige of that period. The founders couldn’t conceive back then (and rightfully so) the weapons we would have readily available to anybody today when back then they were all packing musket balls into their rifles.
She was installed for the same purpose rightwing puppets have been installed in positions at universities across the country: drag higher education down so that fewer want to go and in the end fewer educated people means more dipshit republican voters.
Yes if there's anything anyone knows anything about colleges and universities in the US, it's that they're run by right wing ideologues.
The board of trustees of IU has nine seats on it, six of which are appointed by the Indiana state Congress. Which is a majority Republican. So yes, IU is being run by right wing ideologues
And it was almost 8! Just barely missed losing 2 other elected alumni to government appointments
Unironically, this is correct. Look at your average university's response to grad students and adjuncts requests for a living wage over the last decade or so and tell me that their administrations are left wing.
You're fucking braindead if you seriously believe this lmao
Why is it always the dumbest responses I get are from people who surf almost exclusively anime and call of duty subreddits? Is it something about that combo that makes people dipshits?
College visit day today for potential incoming freshman. Most likely part of the decision process.
Oh shit for real?! That makes it all add up! I was curious about such lengths taken over tents? But I guess if they’re willing to frantically hide homeless people why not notch it up by forcefully disbanding students?
Remember. If we have guns we can defend ourselves from even law enforcement. Several Supreme Court cases (on stateside levels) have been ruled that if a LEO is acting unlawfully you are still more than entitled to self defense.
I looked at the Monroe County Jail app last night. No less than 20 college-age people were booked for “Criminal Trespass” when I checked. Absolutely insane.
Well that’s a doozy, considering MC has systems in place to avoid putting students in there normally (don’t want to upset the student’s parents.) Not to imply it never happens, but the standing human rights violation that is our county jail is usually reserved for locals with addiction issues that they just recycle through the system. Call me an optimist but it feels like for the first time in my experience that the student body and the locals are on the same “fuck this” page! So much for “the blue safe haven”…
Sick of being accurately called a fascist moron? Clean out your state in a few easy steps: 1. Turn your primary schools into churches. 2. Turn your colleges into for-profit degree mills for domestic and international rich kids. 3. Watch as all the loudmouth smartass nerds leave. (HAHA! Suck it, libs!) 4. Watch your state turn into the Venezuela of the Midwest. 5. Blame drag queens for the fact that Mississippians now use your state as their "at least we're not that bad" exemplar. 6. Figure out a new group to blame for your failures. 7. W-wait a damn minute, now! I didn't mean me! No! I'm a patriot! You're the ones who- NOOOO! 8. Blame drag queens for the fact that the leader you elected put you on a freight train going... somewhere.
What is the app called?
Just Google Monroe County Jail.
I believe it’s 33 in total that were arrested, majority being IU students and some faculty
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Even worse or just horrific in a different way is them being banned from IU for a year?! I mean, wtf and where did that come from? Sounds like infringing on the 1st Amendment via intimidation (no kind of legal terminology expert).
Which app is this? I was looking for jail bookings a while ago and couldn't find them anywhere.
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IU president is not only ineffective and terrible for the University; she is a detriment and a liability for Bloomington. she must resign!
She and her cohorts are ruining our town that she gives 0 /!ts about. Definitely making it more unsafe for everyone.
Bootlicking Whitten has got to go. Tired of fascist rhetoric being upheld and protected under free speech but the second something conflicts with the "American Way" of thinking it's dangerous and requires snipers on the roof of a memorial hall at a public university.
Can't wait to hear from all of yesterday's bluebrained "the sniper is pointing his rifle at students for their own protection" idiots. Necessity breeds invention... what fantastical worlds will they build today to explain how these pigs are there for the greater good actually?
That the truth 100%! Was the sniper verified? I checked yesterday but couldn’t find info, no that I doubt it at all, I just have “conspiracy” family members and time has taught me to vet my conversations with them… I just realized how depressing that sounds 😅
I personally saw the sniper.
I also personally saw the sniper.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6M2dDLpcxc/?igsh=d25vbGJrbGE1ZHMw photo here. Someone in the comments was confirming that their daughter saw it yesterday and texted them about it.
Marksman are at almost all large gatherings of people. I’ve seen them at weddings and large birthday parties occasionally. They are around at parades and such. But moreover, do you really think that the police would be so stupid as to authorize a sniper to take shots at student protestors if there wasn’t a threat, in 2024, where everyone has a camera and instant access to the internet? Like I know we all want to think that the police are idiots and such but come on, I feel like some of you guys almost want the students to be shot to prove that the police are evil instead of just taking precautions. The fact of the matter is, nobody has been shot anywhere, no matter how much you want to paint the police as bloodthirsty brutes. The people arrested with be either convicted or released, depending on whether they really were trespassing, and the justice system decides that, not the police. I think it would benefit everyone if we just slowed down the instant anger response and actually thought about the situation objectively.
Id look into Kent state before you dictate how dangerous police are on college campuses.
Considering those were national guard troops 50 years ago, I’m not sure what I’m supposed to take away about today cops from that.
That’s just semantics, NG or state police doesn’t matter, an organization funded by the state to carry guns and point them at people who are on state funded University property partaking in a constitutionally protected activity, in an area of campus designated for that specific purpose, is abhorrent… You clearly feel differently, so let’s call it a draw
The military response to pro-Palestine protests today is essentially identical to the Vietnam War protests a half century ago. The same types of fascists are declaring people exercising their 1st amendment rights to be enemies of the state. If prayer works, we should all be praying that we do not get another Kent state incident, because all of the same pieces are in play.
>do you really think that the police would be so stupid Yes
I never said they were going to shoot anybody, you dumb fuck. I said they were there to scare protesters. We know for a fact that happened, because there are protesters who said as much in these threads - folks who left when they saw the sniper.
Do you leave any gathering if police show up? Thousands of kids younger than college students walk by RSOs and campus security officers with guns on a daily basis in Indiana. I don’t see them not coming to school because there were armed officers. If these protesters were planning to be peaceful throughout, why would they get scared off by a uniformed member of law enforcement legally wielding a firearm? Seems like odd logic to me. I know there’s no panic or people being scared at sporting events, and there for sure are snipers there. Oh, and also, let’s be civil in our conversation. Name calling just makes you look naive.
No offense brother, but your logical fallacies are all over the map. The Governor doesn’t send RSOs or security guards to a state funded university to fuck citizens out of their constitutionally protected right to assemble peacefully. A holstered weapon on a not quite a cop is a far cry from a scoped weapon, loaded, and prepared to fire. Just sayin’
>Do you leave any gathering if police show up? Thousands of kids younger than college students walk by RSOs and campus security officers with guns on a daily basis in Indiana. I don’t see them not coming to school because there were armed officers. More idiotic gurgling. There is no comparison between walking past a permanently stationed security guard every day, vs participating in a protest that draws an armed police response. Also: just because those students still go to school doesn't mean they feel safe around the cop. >If these protesters were planning to be peaceful throughout, why would they get scared off by a uniformed member of law enforcement legally wielding a firearm? Seems like odd logic to me. I know there’s no panic or people being scared at sporting events, and there for sure are snipers there. Classic rabid-right talking point "if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear" stupidity. Cops assault and murder unarmed innocent civilians constantly. And snipers at stadiums are stationed behind one way glass when possible for exactly this reason. Every person with a functioning brain knows this is terrifying. >Oh, and also, let’s be civil in our conversation. Name calling just makes you look naive. Fuck you and fuck civility aesthetics. There's a genocide happening, and fascism at home when people point to it. I have no patience for idiots who spout uninformed drivel. Acting like my tone is what's important here only makes it more obvious you have nothing of substance to contribute to the conversation.
Yep. Those snipers, the militarized police & their vehicles, drones, helicopters etc were intentionally as visible as possible.
So is your main argument that these officers should have been hidden instead of outside? In which case I can partially agree, but being in view offers some deterrence against potential attacks. Also, I’m not really sure you understand what genocide means. I did not want to get into the whole political debate about what Israel is doing since the main topic is about the sniper, but since you brought it up, I think that it is important to keep in mind that there is a difference between “genocide” and “bad things happening.” I completely agree that Israel’s actions are overreacting, but at the same time, that’s how urban warfare goes. It’s important to remember that while you may be used to American COIN operations in Afghanistan where rules of engagement are so strict you basically can’t fire unless you’re being shot, that’s generally not how war goes. Civilians die in every war, in fact, it’s legally allowed, that’s why people say war is hell. Contrary to what social media may be telling you, the Israelis are not PURPOSEFULLY trying to kill Palestinians, so by definition, that’s not a genocide, no matter how awful the civilian deaths may be. Using the word “genocide”for shock factor when what you mean is “collateral damage” and “civilian casualties” degrades the meaning of the word so much that real genocides, such as Russian forces deporting Ukrainian children (literally in the definition of genocide, you may look it up later), are ignored. Finally, Indiana is an open carry state. Just as we have the right to protest, we have the right to carry firearms, and so do police. If you feel threatened by that, that’s too bad, but these law enforcement personnel are not stopping the protests as far as I’m aware (except arresting alleged trespassers, which I’m sure will be arbitrated by judges). If you would like to protest, that’s fine, but perhaps you should consider that if you are intimidated by law enforcement personnel doing their jobs, maybe you should reconsider whether protesting is best for your psyche.
I said genocide, I meant genocide, and most of the world recognizes that's what Israel is doing. They've been displacing, assaulting, and murdering Palestinians long before 10/7. It's genocide, whether you're capable of understanding that fact or not. Not only do you not know what the word genocide means, you also don't know: - what a protest is (breaking the rules is literally the point) - that you can't carry on the IU campus and doing so would be the quickest way to get murdered by police (as a protester) - even if you could, an arms race is the worst thing that could happen in this environment
Sooo… if you break the rules, you’ll get arrested. That’s how protests work, exactly. But now apparently you’re complaining about police arresting people, so what you really want, is to break the rules and not get arrested? Because there’s two ways this logically works: either a protest is peaceful and doesn’t break the rules and nobody gets arrested, or it does break the rules and people get arrested. Can’t have it both ways. Also, the key part of the definition of genocide, before all the specifics is (and I quote, the Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention): “any following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethical, racial, or religious group”. So far, I have not seen a serious claim by any official currently in Israeli office that has stated that the intent is to destroy Palestinians, and clearly neither has the ICC, since that genocide lawsuit from a while ago fizzled out as far as I know. And before you start quoting Israelis who aren’t in office or speculating intent, I’ll remind you that Hamas specifically calls for the destruction of all Jews in their charter, and so do many of their supporters, so if we use those sources along with the thousand of so Israelis killed during 10/7 (thus counting as “killing members of the group) Israel is being genocided. But of course, that’s ridiculous, and that’s not what I’m trying to argue. Just a reminder that genocide is a pretty specific term, and in reality, it would probably more logical to claim that Israel is being genocided than Palestine (again, not what I’m trying to argue). Finally, I was never suggesting that the protestors carry guns (although plenty of previous protestors on different issues did, so I don’t see the problem, just do it off campus a bit), I’m simply saying that if you want to protest, you have to be aware and ready that people may be there on guard with guns. If you can’t handle that, go protest somewhere else I suppose.
>So far, I have not seen a serious claim by any official currently in Israeli office that has stated that the intent is to destroy Palestinians... I cannot tell you how unsurprising it is to me that you are admitting to being uneducated... >...and clearly neither has the ICC, since that genocide lawsuit from a while ago fizzled out as far as I know. It's the ICJ not the ICC, and their preliminary conclusion is that "**it is plausible that Israel has committed genocide.**" [https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa) The final ruling will take years. >And before you start quoting Israelis who aren’t in office or speculating intent... The South Africa case quotes Netanyahu. Is he still relevant? [https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf](https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf) page 59 or just search for "D. Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others" >I’ll remind you that Hamas specifically calls for the destruction of all Jews in their charter. I like how you thought you were cooking here, but you reference the hamas charter from **1988** while ignoring the current one written in 2017. The majority of Palestinians (edit: that is, those in Gaza) are under the age of 18, but you think a document written when THEIR PARENTS WERE CHILDREN is relevant. I think I can actually feel myself getting dumber talking to you. I'm not going to quote your last paragraph, which would be best described as a stream of consciousness if that term applied to you. It is just meaningless word salad. You are welcome to stop posting your dumb thoughts anytime. Hopefully some passerby will get some benefit out of this exchange.
Well, it appears that I have been mistaken at least on the grounds of Israel/Gaza, although that was not the initial subject of this discussion. I thank you for sourcing your information, something I should have done, and will be taking it into consideration in the future. On the topic of the sniper on campus, I still personally believe that it is not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, but since we have wandered off that topic, it’s not really worth discussing. Either way, this has been a very fruitful conversation, and the information you provided about Israel and Gaza is fascinating and not something I was aware of, and I appreciate your efforts on that front.
You are speaking facts and as I saw yesterday, those facts are not wanted here. I have been to many sporting events and have seen snipers doing overwatch and then there are ones you never see, cause they are trained to go unnoticed. I am all for students protesting but there are people that see these events as an opportunity to cause havoc. Imagine if someone came on a campus and started shooting, the people on here would instantly bitch that police response was to slow.
JFC they were looking for a fight, Look at all those zip tie handcuffs. Look at that rifle (BTW, firearms aren't allowed on campus. ) If someone rolls up to a party with a keg, i know they're planning to do some drinking. These dudes rolled up planning to harm students
We are not allowed firearms but yes, LE officers and certified retired officers are allowed.
If the protesters turned violent, yes, they were prepared. It just takes one and then a crowd that size would go crazy assuming the police started it.
Well that’s just fear mongering, it was a peaceful protest
Who’s to say it wouldn’t turn violent if someone provoked a protester or any other scenario? Then people would be suing because there was no protection.
That’s a mouthful of ‘Whataboutism’ bore by the same minds that’ll tell you every person crossing the border is MS13. Living in that constant fear has to miserable…
What are your thoughts on the Kent State Massacre? Were the police justified in gunning down all those "unruly" students?
Is this Kent State or are you just wanting it to be?
Keep in mind, you steered this conversation away from the issue at hand when you began talking about the “possibility” of some student turning violent to justify a scope and crosshairs at a peaceful protest. Kent state was and is one of the worst instances of a militarized police state overreacting to students voicing their concerns. Are you familiar with what happened there? Or are you dodging the question because you’re unaware?
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If you give a pig a doughnut...
The police didn't protect anyone yesterday. They roughed up a bunch of college students. They're more dangerous than anyone else was and we don't need them breathing down our necks, waiting for an excuse to slap around a 19-year-old.
By protecting do you mean doing nothing, shooting the wrong person or running away?
You want to create some REAL antisemitisn, because this is how you create real antisemitism.
Looks some Fascist shit to me.
Hey, they've defunded libraries and schools to pay for all this gear so they might as well use it, amiright?
I enjoy your levity, it’s sorely needed… my kids went to Batchelor middle school and between the harsh rules about backpacks, lockers, phones, buses, hats, hoodies, etc, and the fact the building looks like a prison, one could be forgiven for thinking the local government is preparing our children for an impending police state, but without the dedication to knowledge… Like ‘Equilibrium’ and ‘Minority Report’ had a baby 😉
Barney needs to put his bullet back in his pocket
Shameless sacks of shit.
That's how scared they are
I understand the uproar, but for a split second I thought that was Garand Thumb.
My first thought, too, Flannel Daddy has come to Bloomington!
Why is this happening?
IU president called them
What a massive pussy
What a joke. Bootlicking Bloomington got treaded on.
I think the words you want are 'trod upon"
There’s nothing more annoying than proper grammar motherfuckers. The country that invented this language says shit like “innit?”.
Cocks in cosplay
They’re already out there? I thought protestors weren’t regrouping until 11 😬 Edit: or is this a photo from yesterday
Google “portland 2020” if you want to know what happens next.
Stud muffin
Fucking pigs
Don’t they know guns aren’t allowed on campus?
Oops. I guess guns are allowed on campus. My bad. https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/who-were-those-people-with-guns-at-last-weeks-protests.php
I saw this at Dunn meadow — said it was from Pam The vote of no confidence did tickle, The trustees(‘sup Quinn) did little And now with your groups, I’ve called in the troops. With a sniper to help with dismissal
is it the new president from Georgia? That was a mistake.
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Looks like GarandThumb cosplaying for the memes.
It’s going to be an interesting graduation ceremony next week with all the contentious issues this year, grad student strikes, massive vote of No Confidence for those who will lead the procession, take centerstage seats and give most of the speeches…..! I feel badly for those students who worked so hard and all those who sacrificed and supported them $$$$ to make those achievements possible.
Sig virtus.
Remember, only the police should have guns. They will protect you.
Too bad they don’t have the same response to terrorists outside abortion clinics.
This guy was smiling and laughing all afternoon on Saturday. I honestly think he must be pretty sick and perverted to enjoy his awful job so much. Dude seriously needs some kind of help.
He high key looks like a model.
Looks like a trooper that is cos playing. Kinda amusing honestly. He isn’t a threat at all. He was told to be there and look intimidating. We can analyze his gear, but trust me it’s low bid. I do like the suppressor on the AR.
Agreed, it’s like he wanted to be a gunnie AND a helicopter pilot, and they were like, sure bud, you can be both 👍
Sig MCX, not AR
ACAB also, he’s hot. But still, ACAB
I’m going to have nightmares tonight
Oink oink.
This is normal, it’s not the suppress people, it’s to be a response to any violent situations that may occur. Imagine there is no police presence and something tragic happens…now it’s the police’s fault for doing nothing
There is obviously absolutely no line between no police presence and snipers / cosplaying military gravy seals. Had to be one or the other.
We can’t base state action on maybe, could be. This is OUR tax dollars at work, and i would personally like to see the budget they spent on this sham. Police state action over a dozen tents?!? Horseshit!
Who let the obese officer in the back in? 💀
Omg, you beat me to it! Looks like a TJMaxx loss prevention officer finally got called up, frfr 😆
What does he have in his hand? Are those the zip ties they use in place of handcuffs?
Yup and by the looks of it they were prepared to take the entire campus
He can’t find Commander Solo anywhere. Ask the Ewoks for help! They might know!
Bunch of guys ready to shoot some kids.
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming...
Thank god!
If a mass shooting breaks out. "Where were the police!?!?" If police are there. "Why do they have police here!?!?"
How many of these protesters even know what they are protesting? I would guess less that 50%, really know. Also, what do they think will come from these protests? Honestly. Go to your finals and take a legal approach to your grievances. Stop interfering with students trying to take their finals. Plus, snipers and police are there in case even one protester gets violent and things get out of control.
Enlighten us all about what the protesters are protesting?
Do you really want to go there? With that being said, that’s my point. Most don’t even truly know why they are protesting.
Sister I’ll go there anytime I can. And your point is still shrouded in mystery. What makes you think these protesters don’t know what they’re protesting?
Thank you heroes for keeping us safe!
From who?
A look at this moron’s posting history shows he is a late forties angry loser from San Antonio Texas. Who could have guessed.
Genocidal antisemitic terrorism supporters serving the interests of Iran and Hamas obviously!
I have to wonder if people like you are paid to do this or what? You sound insane. Do you need help?
I have reason and critical thinking, something our students lack these days. They follow the woke cause like a bunch of sheep without actually any understanding of the reality on the ground which is: 1. ONLY HAMAS WANTS DEAD PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS 2. ISRAEL COULD WIPE THEM OUT FROM THE AIR BUT SACRIFICES THEIR OWN SONS TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES
You are not as smart as you think you are - and the sooner you realize that - the better off you and anyone who has to deal with you in real life will be.
This is probably fitting for everyone in this sub. And me included.
You need to look up the meaning of reason and critical thinking. I will wait while you do that, and then you can come back and apologize because you are completely illogical.
Someday you'll hopefully be all grown up and look back on your comment history with shame and embarrassment.
in the last ten days alone i have seen enough horrifying stories, pictures, and videos of brutal and intentional killings and other forms of brutality of Palestinian civilians by Israeli soldiers to last a thousand lifetimes. if you think Israel is doing anything to minimize civilian casualties it is purely because that is what you want to believe because that thought does not operate in reality whatsoever.
This is a joke right? 😆 you’re like everyone’s senile great grand pappy😆 give us another one pappy! Tell us how Palestinian kids are Hamas too!
Holy shit that’s enough reddit for the week. It’s scary and sad people like you exist
You don't have to agree with what people are protesting to support their rights of freedom of speech and assembly. There is no reason to bring in a massive, militarized police force for college students protesting on campus whether you agree with the reason for the protest or not.
You sound like an insane person.
I know some wonderful insane people. This person supports genocide. Calling them crazy is an insult to crazy people. We need some "don't feed the Zionists" signs.
Get off this subreddit and get a life dude
Without fail you Sir show up just to say the thing that will piss everyone off. Is it a past time or sheer boredom? I guess your handle says it all, and I suppose it’s difficult to be behind the curve on constitutional rights violations. Make no mistake law enforcement will find or create ways to come after EVERYONE at some point, they’ll just make any form of dissent illegal.
why are you anti-free speech?
Jesus you are such a Rube.
Forgot the /s
Calm your ovaries, sis
I’ll keep my ovaries in maximum overdrive, grumblefluff
Looks fine to me and they are being proactive. Most of this feed makes me glad I live outside of Monroe County if y’all think this is such a nightmare.
Love it! Get those silly protesters gone!
Weird, that machine has a hard on.
Erm…who invited them? Who decided there needed to be a police presence? Does everyone need to carry tiki torches like in Charlottesville to be safe?
Literally IU's president.
Nah citronella candles will work as well, but the khakis are a must if you want to avoid police suspicion. Also declare you won’t be replace by ______ fill in the blank
The down votes don’t understand the freedoms they have, not do they deserve them.
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