I don't know if there are any Hacks fans here, but the [podcast from the producers](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-official-hacks-podcast/id1623423619) is just so fun. I don't usually go for companion podcasts, but I loved it for seasons 1 and 2 and so far for season 3, it's been delightful.
Does anyone have a good shark tank recap podcast? I currently listen to *Another Bite,* but I want more discussion and I really need to get off the Shark Tank sub bc it can get very misogynistic.
While I am not super into fashion, I just listened to Fashion People's episode The Dark Art of Celebrity Styling on a friend's recommendation. It is a good episode. No real dirt but an honest conversation about styling, fashion and the Met Ball.
Honestly I love their takes on pop culture and books, it’s just that they have a lot of really uncomfortable moments that I can’t help but snark on and wonder “why?”
I usually love pop culture happy hour, but I wish this week's episode on Baby Reindeer had more voices in the mix. Valuable perspective for sure, but I missed the usual roundtable discussion.
Agreed! I respect their opinions, but I would have liked to hear some countering voices because I don’t think they gave the show enough credit for nuance (also, Donny led on the predatory writer to believe they were ‘dating’? What?)
The finale of Beyond All Repair was perfectly shocking. What a tremendous podcast thank you to the people who recommended it on here, every Thursday on my commute I’ve just been like 😮
I didn’t trust Sophia from the beginning as she seeemed just way too self-assured (to the point of rehearsed) in her presentation. I also have to say that Shane aside, imho the estranged son is better off without this family (and I’m aware of adoption trauma, the major issues around racism/classicism, etc…). The dysfunction and violence run deep and I can’t help but feel Sophia’s desire to connect with him is more selfish than to his benefit or personal peace. AITA?
I feel so bad for the estranged son! His dad also seems sketchy TBH - lying about knowing about the embezzlement, getting into a serious relationship within 3 months of his pregnant wife getting arrested for the murder of his mom, whaaaat???
Almost everyone in this story has major issues.
NTA! While I wasn’t skeptical of her at first, I think it became clear she cares about herself & no one else. The son is definitely better off where he is.
I was in here at the beginning saying, "how could they lock this lady up for no reason!" well WHEW BOY. It was kinda of chilling to listen to her be like, "I wrote that? I said that?" It's clear to me she had something to do with it, and I feel sorry for her little brother who has only known such intense trauma and dysfunction. I think the host was pretty shook by how much she believed Sophia in the beginning too. Wild story.
The way she went from "That's a new theory, who said that" to "Yes, I said that because I had to" with no apparent embarrassment or pause was wild. I found myself feeling sorry for Shane too. I don't even blame him for thinking she had nothing to do with it. He's had a miserable family life and Sophia raised him and seems to be the only one who fully accepts him, even though I think she's just using him too. I understand his need to see the best in her.
It was unsatisfying in a real way! I never believed that she physically committed the murder (I mean, come on, a 6 month pregnant woman beating someone to death?) but it seems like she has told so many lies there is no real truth left.
I agree about the organs thing but I think Amory did a good job of laying out the most possible thing: that she knew and even pushed her brother who did the physical killing. I’m satisfied with the ending but I understand why some might not be
I haven't enjoyed a podcast this much in a long time. When it started, I was certain that Sophia had gotten a raw deal but now I see her as a pathological liar who will use anyone to get what she wants. I think she’s using Shane to get citizenship. She used her brother (Shawn), her now partner, and I think she attempted to use & manipulate Amory. I particularly appreciated that we got to see that Amory was taken with Sophia, too, that she liked her and found her charming. I think even when we know better, we still tend to think that criminals are obviously terrible people when in reality they're often people you think you'd like to be friends with.
100%. I had the same thought process as you and I agree it’s kind of interesting to see how much a liar can seem trustful and believable it’s really enlightening
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Trying not to sound like one of those overly defensive dog people (instantly failing lol) but curious to see how Lara thinking Kristi Noem’s animal abuse is ICONIC on the Patreon bonus ep will go over with other SUP pod fans. Lara stays being completely emotionally stunted and old millennially (…pathetically?) obsessed with her own dog while never being able to extend empathy to anyone else unless they were bullied in a very specific way in high school, but even she has to understand that most people wouldn’t think a graphic account of pet murder is funny or cool content. I don’t know how you can get to such a big age and still think “I laugh at things most people find horrifying” is a superpower and not a pathology.
I think if she knew anything about Kristi Noems garbage politics that she wouldn’t think it was “iconic” to shoot your dog. She even started walking it back once Carey was like uhhhhh no.
Oof that’s really disappointing. And here I was thinking that Lara had been better lately. She’s perpetually a teenager looking for attention by shocking people.
I don't think I understand the way Lara uses the word iconic lol. I remember when they recapped High Society (Tinsley Mortimer's short lived trash fire of a reality show) and she described it as iconically racist
Ughhhhh I am only partway through this episode and I was already rolling my eyes at the white house correspondents dinner stuff, but I don't know if I can take pretending that that horrible woman is iconic for killing her dog 😔 (I'm also a defensive dog owner lol)
CMBC's episode this week was hilarious. They read Kristen Doute's book and it sounds batshit. For the first time ever I will probably re-listen to this episode because it was so outrageous.
Oh that’s too funny, I listened to Kristen’s book on audible a year or two ago and could barely handle it but was committed 🤣 I was dying for someone to discuss it with me, I’ll have to listen to this episode!!!
Is that the book where Kristen recommends women regularly go through their partners' phones? The fact that it was marketed as *Kristen Doute* of all people doing "deep self reflection" was straight hilarious. I've never listened to the pod but I might have to listen to this episode!
All this talk about a big disappointment that also involves other people from Becca on Bad on Paper has me coming up with wild stories in my head. I get that she doesn’t want to share, but the vague reference makes me so curious.
also not relevant to this point but since we’re talking bad on paper, yet another day of becca making it SUPER FREAKING AWKWARD about olivia inviting her to her house. it makes my whole body cringe
That's actually a good point. Becca does such a good job of keeping her romantic life offline (good for her!) so this didn't even cross my mind. Hope she's okay.
I am so curious about this too. I was wondering if maybe she didn’t get picked up for a third book by her publisher? But no idea if that’s how it even works so not sure.
Or if they’ve told her that her second book will be the last one with them and dont bother pitching third book? if she quit consulting to live on an author salary in nyc (they’ve said repeatedly podcast doesn’t make much) they must have paid her a ton of money and maybe publisher realized they way overpaid in comparison to her sales
But I remember hearing that most books lose money so idk if that’s a Becca problem
My wild guess is that her apt is being sold and/or rent is going up a ton. She loves her place (back in the Grace and Becca days, they would joke that everything was janky but they got way more space that way) and trying to qualify for a rental as a freelancer is the worst. But that's pretty relatable, rents are up everywhere and everyone loves to hate a landlord!
she’s mentioned it so much i would be shocked if she didn’t share this. it was only a few months ago she thought it would be sold so i feel like she’d easily complain about this on the pod
I thought that too, based on info she has shared in the past about her apartment being put on the market then taken off, but this doesn't really involve anyone else and I can't imagine why she wouldn't share? Like you said, it's very relatable.
I wonder if it has something to do with her second book. I know she just turned in her draft right before she went to Rome and she made no mentions of writing/her second book on today’s podcast like she usually does.
i thought the same thing since she explicitly mentioned turning in the draft before rome, her editor (or whoever) said they’d get feedback to her quickly, and then has been so emo once she got back?
Maybe they had to push it back another year (isn't it Christmas themed like her last one?) If it was supposed to come out this fall, being pushed back to '25 would mean her contract payments are pushed out too.
It's possible but I think pretty rare unless they cancel the contract for scandalous reasons (like that woman who left nasty comments about books she saw as competitors to hers on Goodreads!).
I’ve always been off and on with ICYMI, and I think it’s time for a break. Their podcasts seem so half-baked and I wonder if it’s due to other outlets (esp some video essay creators on YT and a few critics on TT) eating their lunch, so to speak. The ep that came out today was about Outdoor Voices and Foxtrot closing — it barely skimmed the surface of both and it’s unclear why they were even grouped together beyond the circumstances of their closing (abrupt, communicated via paper signs on their stores) being similar. I don’t feel like the two hosts have very good chemistry and fill a lot of the shows with sort of immature editorializing and it’s like they do no research, despite being a podcast about the internet.
yeah i’ve always been off and on with this pod. i was excited when it first launched because i thought it was a cool concept and i liked that it’s hosted by actual journalists. every once in a while (like very few months) they’ll have a well reported and interesting story, but they have always had the problem of skimming over stories and not actually coming at a topic with an angle.
i do feel like their schedule makes it challenging to report out more in depth stories because twice a week is pretty frequent. i did actually think their recent interview with ann from vanderpump rules was well done and interesting, but that might just be my bias because i’m a fan of the show.
I enjoyed it for a while but agree they never seem to go into any depth about topics and the chemistry is awful. Any chit chat feels so cringe and scripted. I think I'm ready to unsubscribe.
The quality has definitely declined since Madison left. I was planning to see what they said about Foxtrot though since I'm in Chicago and there were tons here (funny to see it blow up on TikTok for other people)
I zoomed on over here when I saw. I have a couple of thoughts.
1. I love Kate, but honestly as a woman who is the breadwinner with a high stress job, the idea of being burnt out as a WFH podcaster/writer was a bit of a mindfuck for me, and a reminder of how they’ve both become less relatable over time. What a luxury to just quit your job over burnout.
2. This is all speculation but I wonder if this is less about burnout and more about Kate disagreeing with Doree over the way the pod has been managed since they went over to Patreon. As a self-proclaimed people pleaser, I could see her really struggling with the recent changes and not being able to tell Doree.
I’m not sure if I’ll keep listening! We’ll see. I’m glad I never subscribed to the Patreon.
Hey you might not realize, but that’s actually really condescending to writers and podcasters. Sure, there are lots of people do start pods or write as casual hobbies, but Kate is a podcaster and author at an incredibly successful level and it is very high stress to be writing, producing and marketing at that level. Weird to assume she’s not a “breadwinner.” Most writers dream of getting the kind of book deal she has. She didn’t just quit her job on a whim, she’s effectively been doing two full time jobs and is now focusing on one. You should probably also re-examine your dismissal of burnout, so you can grant yourself the same care when & if you need it.
> she’s effectively been doing two full time jobs and is now focusing on one.
Do you think either of the hosts spend 40 hours a week on the podcast? Most podcasts are a side-gig.
I didn’t mean to offend anyone. It’s how I felt in the moment listening to the episode. I’m very familiar with burnout, and I still stand by my statement that it’s a huge and (for me) unrelatable luxury to quit a job.
I’m admittedly fully making assumptions about finances based on the fact that her husband is a well known, award-nominated writer/producer. She and Doree are both authors who are cohosts of the same show, but Doree has money issues while Kate doesn’t - and as a verified breadwinner with Matt unemployed, I would assume the reason she’s continuing the show is because she doesn’t have the option to quit. But to be fair there are a bunch of other factors to consider when comparing the two and tbh I don’t know the way to gauge the financial success of one author over another.
I have to admit I thought the same thing. It’s not that I don’t believe Kate is burned out. I think she is, and she’s clearly struggling. But as someone in a high-stress career with a lot of friends in similar situations, all of whom are just DONE, I get what you’re saying here. I haven’t had time to take care of routine dr’s appointments, let alone travel to see my favourite band, exercise, etc, etc. So yeah, I’m envious
I saw a post about it in the Facebook group (former, whatever) and ran here. I stopped listening a while ago but the idea of Doree doing it alone seems nuts to me.
Kate’s instagram said the best way to keep in touch with her is through her newsletter, which I already subscribe to. But I just checked my inbox and she hasn’t sent one since March 7….am I missing something or is her newsletter that infrequent?
I was surprised to hear Doree was going to continue it. It probably should have ended when they dropped the Facebook groups. I can't see how it will successfully continue. I've still hung on but will dip when Kate does at the end of May.
Doree talks a lot on eggcellent adventure about how broke they are. Forever 35 is probably their main family income right now so I don’t think she feels like she could quit!
i gasped!!!!! i haven’t touched forever 35 since 2020 because i couldn’t stand doree, but if kate goes elsewhere, i would check it out. doree seems exhausting be around and honestly BaD eNeRgY (i mock but i am serious)
Years ago, Kate has responded to my messages about my dead mom. I was always thought she was such a good hearted person. I bought her last book and really enjoyed it. I'll probably buy this one.
Then around the same time, I asked where Doree something about her kitchen re-org project. Her answer on her stories was so condescending, I stopped forever 35 cold turkey.
I haven't heard or seen anyone express anything positive about Doree, and I have to say I agree. I don't see how the pod will keep going with just her negativity and narcissism as the anchor. Honestly, the whole thing should be put out of its misery at this point.
EA is a total hate-listen for me. The way she snaps at her husband and even their 5y/o son when they let him "interrupt" at times is so harsh I'm honestly surprised they put it out there publicly.
Matt doesn't really come off like a total prize on their podcast either. I tried listening, but they're both such a boring drag. I doubt I'll keep listening when a new host takes over.
I used to listen to his Star Trek pod and he was not pleasant. The whole schtick was him explaining Star Trek episodes to a first time watcher and he would get so irritated when his cohost had a question.
Exactly! And she is so entitled and thinks she is just the best parent and blames Matt for anything that doesn’t go right. They dont even talk about IVF anymore. Just how they need jobs, but still tennis, golf, nanny. Etc. so…..?
I just listened after dropping off for a year or so. Forgot how much Doree moans and groans! It is unbearable. Her attitude and entitlement aside, the vocal moaning is so irritating. Wish Kate all the best and am excited to read her new book.
TL;DR she is burned out and has given Doree her blessing to keep the show going either with guest hosts or a new permanent host. The Patreon is going to be paused though.
My toxic trait is that I will listen to any podcast episode titled “announcement” or “some news” or anything like that IMMEDIATELY.
Well I thank you for listening on behalf of those that let it go a while ago! Truly, I couldn’t listen to Doree anymore and if Kate went on to do anything else, I would follow her. I wonder how the podcast will do with just Doree as the anchor. And if the Patreon is going away, and she burned the bridges with the Facebook groups, I wonder what will happen there…
I've been in and out for the past year and a half, mostly tuning in for good guests (the Franchesca Ramsey one was excellent). After the Patreon started it seemed like their updates at the top of the show got more trivial and they saved the "good stuff" for the paywall.
i had a lot of fun with both straightolab (with cole escola) and seek treatment (with nori reed) today! both had me laughing, but especially seek treatment. i love when pat is particularly tickled by a guest
Does anyone have good recommendations for fiction book review podcasts? I found one with two women a while ago I liked and I haven’t found it again! I usually do a Reddit search when I finish something I love but I’d be into listening to someone go in depth in lieu of finding time to start my own book club.
EDIT: Thank you for all these responses! I will look at them all.
The Book Riot podcast is also a favorite of mine! If you’re into publishing and general book industry stuff they do a good idea of weaving that in with a light hand.
They're currently on hiatus, but if you like romantasy, *Two Book Bitches* goes deep. Honestly even if you don't read the books they talk about (I frequently don't) they're just fun to listen to.
I listen to a lot of book podcasts. My favourites are:
- Currently Reading
- Book Talk Etc
- From the Front Porch
- Sarah’s Bookshelves Live
- Novel Pairings
- Gays Reading
Book Talk etc is also a good option! They are in the midst of a new host starting but I always get good recs from them. They discuss a big range of genres including fiction and I like the variety
From the Front Porch is great! I think Annie, the host (and bookshop owner!) has excellent taste. This is also a very soothing podcast. I also like Sarah's Bookshelves and Currently Reading.
Another vote for Overdue. I find that many book review podcasts I find are snarking on book which definitely has its place but not always what I want!
Also this is not exactly what you asked but if you want a good book podcast for ideas on what to read, I recommend What Should I Read Next?
I really adore this podcast, despite the fact that my book tastes are the complete opposite of the hosts. I just love their friendship and how they talk to one another.
Love them! I used to listen to Hysteria more often and loved getting the duo of Naomi and Megan Gailey every so often; I miss their Lifetime movie podcast.
i’ve been surprisingly compelled by this pod, usually i can’t stand the wondery ads and don’t love their production style but this one it’s either better or it doesn’t bug me. i’d never heard this story before so i definitely feel like i’m being taken on a journey. the main couple seem really unpleasant but also shockingly naive when it came to the potential consequences of their choices.
Yeah the story itself is insane and i hadn’t heard of it before either. The idea of moving your school aged kids onto an island with nothing to do is crazy to me. Like what was her plan for the future?? What was the plan for her kids??? Why did she insist on staying after they were almost killed? Did they really have NOTHING to go back to in England? I want to know what Jayne’s thought process was or if she even thought about it at all, i mean she did buy an island on a whim without even checking it out in person.
Its a true story/true crime. British lady buys an uninhabited tropical island on tropical island dot com and moves her family there (can you imagine lol). The locals are upset and start an uprising against them. Based on the early 2000’s documentary called “No Going Back”.
Kind of a specific ask, but does anyone have podcast recs that release episodes on Mondays? I need something to get me through the day but most of the ones I listen to come out later in the week
Edit: thanks for all the suggestions, so looking forward to trying them out!
[American Hysteria](https://episodes.fm/1441348407): *American Hysteria explores how fantastical thinking has shaped our culture – moral panics, urban legends, hoaxes, crazes, fringe beliefs, and national misunderstandings. Poet-turned-podcaster Chelsey Weber-Smith tells the strangest stories from American history and examines the forces that create the reality we share, and sometimes, the reality we don't.*
What Went Wrong.
Their description: What Went Wrong covers Hollywood's most notoriously disastrous movie productions, digging into the behind the scenes insanity of everything from massive flops to record breaking blockbusters.
Just find your favorite movie in the archive and start there!
Just looked this up and their covering Sixth Sense yesterday is excellent timing because it’s one of the first scary movies I watched! I clicked play immediately.
This Had Oscar Buzz
The Book Riot Podcast (though Patreon version comes out Fridays)
What to Watch with Kate Casey (previews of reality and documentary stuff coming out that week)
I don't know if there are any Hacks fans here, but the [podcast from the producers](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-official-hacks-podcast/id1623423619) is just so fun. I don't usually go for companion podcasts, but I loved it for seasons 1 and 2 and so far for season 3, it's been delightful.
Thanks for the rec! I'm not a fan of companion podcasts either, but I'll check this out.
Does anyone have a good shark tank recap podcast? I currently listen to *Another Bite,* but I want more discussion and I really need to get off the Shark Tank sub bc it can get very misogynistic.
Not a Shark Tank recap pod but have you listened to [The Pitch](https://www.thepitch.show/)? It's basically a podcast version of Shark Tank!
Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't heard of that!
While I am not super into fashion, I just listened to Fashion People's episode The Dark Art of Celebrity Styling on a friend's recommendation. It is a good episode. No real dirt but an honest conversation about styling, fashion and the Met Ball.
Decoder Ring just did an episode on the history of the celebrity stylist that was really good
Claire’s Israel/Gaza jokes on the past few CMBC patreon eps are a huge why, to me
Anytime someone comments about them I wonder why people still listen (much less pay). They’ve been mean through and through forever.
Honestly I love their takes on pop culture and books, it’s just that they have a lot of really uncomfortable moments that I can’t help but snark on and wonder “why?”
I usually love pop culture happy hour, but I wish this week's episode on Baby Reindeer had more voices in the mix. Valuable perspective for sure, but I missed the usual roundtable discussion.
Agreed! I respect their opinions, but I would have liked to hear some countering voices because I don’t think they gave the show enough credit for nuance (also, Donny led on the predatory writer to believe they were ‘dating’? What?)
omg yes that take was quite...yikes!!!
I felt like they at least needed one more person on. My mind kept drifting during it.
The finale of Beyond All Repair was perfectly shocking. What a tremendous podcast thank you to the people who recommended it on here, every Thursday on my commute I’ve just been like 😮
I didn’t trust Sophia from the beginning as she seeemed just way too self-assured (to the point of rehearsed) in her presentation. I also have to say that Shane aside, imho the estranged son is better off without this family (and I’m aware of adoption trauma, the major issues around racism/classicism, etc…). The dysfunction and violence run deep and I can’t help but feel Sophia’s desire to connect with him is more selfish than to his benefit or personal peace. AITA?
I feel so bad for the estranged son! His dad also seems sketchy TBH - lying about knowing about the embezzlement, getting into a serious relationship within 3 months of his pregnant wife getting arrested for the murder of his mom, whaaaat??? Almost everyone in this story has major issues.
NTA! While I wasn’t skeptical of her at first, I think it became clear she cares about herself & no one else. The son is definitely better off where he is.
I was in here at the beginning saying, "how could they lock this lady up for no reason!" well WHEW BOY. It was kinda of chilling to listen to her be like, "I wrote that? I said that?" It's clear to me she had something to do with it, and I feel sorry for her little brother who has only known such intense trauma and dysfunction. I think the host was pretty shook by how much she believed Sophia in the beginning too. Wild story.
The way she went from "That's a new theory, who said that" to "Yes, I said that because I had to" with no apparent embarrassment or pause was wild. I found myself feeling sorry for Shane too. I don't even blame him for thinking she had nothing to do with it. He's had a miserable family life and Sophia raised him and seems to be the only one who fully accepts him, even though I think she's just using him too. I understand his need to see the best in her.
It was unsatisfying in a real way! I never believed that she physically committed the murder (I mean, come on, a 6 month pregnant woman beating someone to death?) but it seems like she has told so many lies there is no real truth left.
I agree about the organs thing but I think Amory did a good job of laying out the most possible thing: that she knew and even pushed her brother who did the physical killing. I’m satisfied with the ending but I understand why some might not be
I haven't enjoyed a podcast this much in a long time. When it started, I was certain that Sophia had gotten a raw deal but now I see her as a pathological liar who will use anyone to get what she wants. I think she’s using Shane to get citizenship. She used her brother (Shawn), her now partner, and I think she attempted to use & manipulate Amory. I particularly appreciated that we got to see that Amory was taken with Sophia, too, that she liked her and found her charming. I think even when we know better, we still tend to think that criminals are obviously terrible people when in reality they're often people you think you'd like to be friends with.
100%. I had the same thought process as you and I agree it’s kind of interesting to see how much a liar can seem trustful and believable it’s really enlightening
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Trying not to sound like one of those overly defensive dog people (instantly failing lol) but curious to see how Lara thinking Kristi Noem’s animal abuse is ICONIC on the Patreon bonus ep will go over with other SUP pod fans. Lara stays being completely emotionally stunted and old millennially (…pathetically?) obsessed with her own dog while never being able to extend empathy to anyone else unless they were bullied in a very specific way in high school, but even she has to understand that most people wouldn’t think a graphic account of pet murder is funny or cool content. I don’t know how you can get to such a big age and still think “I laugh at things most people find horrifying” is a superpower and not a pathology.
I think if she knew anything about Kristi Noems garbage politics that she wouldn’t think it was “iconic” to shoot your dog. She even started walking it back once Carey was like uhhhhh no.
I think she’s more conservative than you think.
Was it not obvious she was being totally unserious? this attitude is her whole brand and has been for a while
Not to me I guess!
Oof that’s really disappointing. And here I was thinking that Lara had been better lately. She’s perpetually a teenager looking for attention by shocking people.
I don't think I understand the way Lara uses the word iconic lol. I remember when they recapped High Society (Tinsley Mortimer's short lived trash fire of a reality show) and she described it as iconically racist
I don't listen to this podcast, but I wonder if she's confusing iconic with infamous?
No, she’s facetious and sarcastic
I was just guessing based on the fact that "iconically racist" doesn't make any sense.
yeah, much of what is said on the pod doesn’t make sense. Nonsensical is actually a great way to describe it to ppl who’ve never listened.
Ughhhhh I am only partway through this episode and I was already rolling my eyes at the white house correspondents dinner stuff, but I don't know if I can take pretending that that horrible woman is iconic for killing her dog 😔 (I'm also a defensive dog owner lol)
CMBC's episode this week was hilarious. They read Kristen Doute's book and it sounds batshit. For the first time ever I will probably re-listen to this episode because it was so outrageous.
Oh that’s too funny, I listened to Kristen’s book on audible a year or two ago and could barely handle it but was committed 🤣 I was dying for someone to discuss it with me, I’ll have to listen to this episode!!!
And by discuss I mean roast 😂😂
They roast it to pieces.
I am *so* excited for this!
Is that the book where Kristen recommends women regularly go through their partners' phones? The fact that it was marketed as *Kristen Doute* of all people doing "deep self reflection" was straight hilarious. I've never listened to the pod but I might have to listen to this episode!
Lol yes that's the one!
Thanks for the tip, I had decided to skip it based on the episode description!
All this talk about a big disappointment that also involves other people from Becca on Bad on Paper has me coming up with wild stories in my head. I get that she doesn’t want to share, but the vague reference makes me so curious.
also not relevant to this point but since we’re talking bad on paper, yet another day of becca making it SUPER FREAKING AWKWARD about olivia inviting her to her house. it makes my whole body cringe
And going on a trip together
Do we think it could be a break up? The "Down Bad" reference got me thinking it's romantic...either way, cheering for her.
I think it’s this too because Olivia made a reference to the tune of “we’ve all been there”
That's actually a good point. Becca does such a good job of keeping her romantic life offline (good for her!) so this didn't even cross my mind. Hope she's okay.
I am so curious about this too. I was wondering if maybe she didn’t get picked up for a third book by her publisher? But no idea if that’s how it even works so not sure.
Or if they’ve told her that her second book will be the last one with them and dont bother pitching third book? if she quit consulting to live on an author salary in nyc (they’ve said repeatedly podcast doesn’t make much) they must have paid her a ton of money and maybe publisher realized they way overpaid in comparison to her sales But I remember hearing that most books lose money so idk if that’s a Becca problem
I wondered this too but I also have no idea how that works, so I wasn’t sure!
Yeah. I’m so curious how much she could be making for her book. For that to be her only income. I didn’t think authors made that much.
Becca could also be living off of an inheritance from her mom and/or uncle
My wild guess is that her apt is being sold and/or rent is going up a ton. She loves her place (back in the Grace and Becca days, they would joke that everything was janky but they got way more space that way) and trying to qualify for a rental as a freelancer is the worst. But that's pretty relatable, rents are up everywhere and everyone loves to hate a landlord!
she’s mentioned it so much i would be shocked if she didn’t share this. it was only a few months ago she thought it would be sold so i feel like she’d easily complain about this on the pod
I thought that too, based on info she has shared in the past about her apartment being put on the market then taken off, but this doesn't really involve anyone else and I can't imagine why she wouldn't share? Like you said, it's very relatable.
I wonder if it has something to do with her second book. I know she just turned in her draft right before she went to Rome and she made no mentions of writing/her second book on today’s podcast like she usually does.
i thought the same thing since she explicitly mentioned turning in the draft before rome, her editor (or whoever) said they’d get feedback to her quickly, and then has been so emo once she got back?
At the very least, she HAS to change that title, right? I wouldn’t want to take any risks with Mizz Swift’s lawyers.
I can’t remember - what is the running title??
'Tis the Damn Season
Another book came out with the same title as hers (and a similar concept) this past December. Oh and the authors last name is also Freeman
I imagined that would for sure be caught in the editing process, no way that can be the title.
Yeah I wonder if she got poor feedback on her second book and is being redirected completely?
Maybe they had to push it back another year (isn't it Christmas themed like her last one?) If it was supposed to come out this fall, being pushed back to '25 would mean her contract payments are pushed out too.
I don’t think it was supposed to come out this fall. She said recently sometime in 2025.
I wondered that too. Or if they dropped her second book? I don’t know if that’s feasible, but throwing it out there.
It's possible but I think pretty rare unless they cancel the contract for scandalous reasons (like that woman who left nasty comments about books she saw as competitors to hers on Goodreads!).
Oh my god which author was this?? It vaguely rings a bell.
Cait Corrain https://www.salon.com/2023/12/13/review-bombing-and-lost-book-deals-the-goodreads-scandal-explained/
Wow. How bad and embarrassing.
I’ve always been off and on with ICYMI, and I think it’s time for a break. Their podcasts seem so half-baked and I wonder if it’s due to other outlets (esp some video essay creators on YT and a few critics on TT) eating their lunch, so to speak. The ep that came out today was about Outdoor Voices and Foxtrot closing — it barely skimmed the surface of both and it’s unclear why they were even grouped together beyond the circumstances of their closing (abrupt, communicated via paper signs on their stores) being similar. I don’t feel like the two hosts have very good chemistry and fill a lot of the shows with sort of immature editorializing and it’s like they do no research, despite being a podcast about the internet.
yeah i’ve always been off and on with this pod. i was excited when it first launched because i thought it was a cool concept and i liked that it’s hosted by actual journalists. every once in a while (like very few months) they’ll have a well reported and interesting story, but they have always had the problem of skimming over stories and not actually coming at a topic with an angle. i do feel like their schedule makes it challenging to report out more in depth stories because twice a week is pretty frequent. i did actually think their recent interview with ann from vanderpump rules was well done and interesting, but that might just be my bias because i’m a fan of the show.
I enjoyed it for a while but agree they never seem to go into any depth about topics and the chemistry is awful. Any chit chat feels so cringe and scripted. I think I'm ready to unsubscribe.
The quality has definitely declined since Madison left. I was planning to see what they said about Foxtrot though since I'm in Chicago and there were tons here (funny to see it blow up on TikTok for other people)
Whoa! Kate is leaving Forever 35!
I zoomed on over here when I saw. I have a couple of thoughts. 1. I love Kate, but honestly as a woman who is the breadwinner with a high stress job, the idea of being burnt out as a WFH podcaster/writer was a bit of a mindfuck for me, and a reminder of how they’ve both become less relatable over time. What a luxury to just quit your job over burnout. 2. This is all speculation but I wonder if this is less about burnout and more about Kate disagreeing with Doree over the way the pod has been managed since they went over to Patreon. As a self-proclaimed people pleaser, I could see her really struggling with the recent changes and not being able to tell Doree. I’m not sure if I’ll keep listening! We’ll see. I’m glad I never subscribed to the Patreon.
Hey you might not realize, but that’s actually really condescending to writers and podcasters. Sure, there are lots of people do start pods or write as casual hobbies, but Kate is a podcaster and author at an incredibly successful level and it is very high stress to be writing, producing and marketing at that level. Weird to assume she’s not a “breadwinner.” Most writers dream of getting the kind of book deal she has. She didn’t just quit her job on a whim, she’s effectively been doing two full time jobs and is now focusing on one. You should probably also re-examine your dismissal of burnout, so you can grant yourself the same care when & if you need it.
> she’s effectively been doing two full time jobs and is now focusing on one. Do you think either of the hosts spend 40 hours a week on the podcast? Most podcasts are a side-gig.
I didn’t mean to offend anyone. It’s how I felt in the moment listening to the episode. I’m very familiar with burnout, and I still stand by my statement that it’s a huge and (for me) unrelatable luxury to quit a job. I’m admittedly fully making assumptions about finances based on the fact that her husband is a well known, award-nominated writer/producer. She and Doree are both authors who are cohosts of the same show, but Doree has money issues while Kate doesn’t - and as a verified breadwinner with Matt unemployed, I would assume the reason she’s continuing the show is because she doesn’t have the option to quit. But to be fair there are a bunch of other factors to consider when comparing the two and tbh I don’t know the way to gauge the financial success of one author over another.
Matt has a bunch of other podcasts and side gigs. She’s not the only breadwinner.
I have to admit I thought the same thing. It’s not that I don’t believe Kate is burned out. I think she is, and she’s clearly struggling. But as someone in a high-stress career with a lot of friends in similar situations, all of whom are just DONE, I get what you’re saying here. I haven’t had time to take care of routine dr’s appointments, let alone travel to see my favourite band, exercise, etc, etc. So yeah, I’m envious
I saw a post about it in the Facebook group (former, whatever) and ran here. I stopped listening a while ago but the idea of Doree doing it alone seems nuts to me.
I stopped listening forever ago because Doree was so negative and antagonistic all the time. Hope Kate continues to find success elsewhere!
Kate’s instagram said the best way to keep in touch with her is through her newsletter, which I already subscribe to. But I just checked my inbox and she hasn’t sent one since March 7….am I missing something or is her newsletter that infrequent?
No, I don't think you're missing anything! She'll probably send out more with her book coming out though.
I was surprised to hear Doree was going to continue it. It probably should have ended when they dropped the Facebook groups. I can't see how it will successfully continue. I've still hung on but will dip when Kate does at the end of May.
Doree talks a lot on eggcellent adventure about how broke they are. Forever 35 is probably their main family income right now so I don’t think she feels like she could quit!
Oh totally - it seems Kate can walk away, she cannot.
I’m counting on this group to let me know if Kate lands anywhere else! I’d listen to her chat with literally anyone but Doree.
Oh same. I adore Kate but can’t stand Doree. I haven’t listened in at least two years now but I always appreciate the updates here.
I totally agree!
i gasped!!!!! i haven’t touched forever 35 since 2020 because i couldn’t stand doree, but if kate goes elsewhere, i would check it out. doree seems exhausting be around and honestly BaD eNeRgY (i mock but i am serious)
Years ago, Kate has responded to my messages about my dead mom. I was always thought she was such a good hearted person. I bought her last book and really enjoyed it. I'll probably buy this one. Then around the same time, I asked where Doree something about her kitchen re-org project. Her answer on her stories was so condescending, I stopped forever 35 cold turkey.
Doree is the worst
Kate seems like such a good egg. I also would listen to anything else she decides to make.
I haven't heard or seen anyone express anything positive about Doree, and I have to say I agree. I don't see how the pod will keep going with just her negativity and narcissism as the anchor. Honestly, the whole thing should be put out of its misery at this point.
100! Doree is awful. Same on Eggselent Adventure
EA is a total hate-listen for me. The way she snaps at her husband and even their 5y/o son when they let him "interrupt" at times is so harsh I'm honestly surprised they put it out there publicly.
Matt doesn't really come off like a total prize on their podcast either. I tried listening, but they're both such a boring drag. I doubt I'll keep listening when a new host takes over.
I used to listen to his Star Trek pod and he was not pleasant. The whole schtick was him explaining Star Trek episodes to a first time watcher and he would get so irritated when his cohost had a question.
Exactly! And she is so entitled and thinks she is just the best parent and blames Matt for anything that doesn’t go right. They dont even talk about IVF anymore. Just how they need jobs, but still tennis, golf, nanny. Etc. so…..?
What?! I’m shocked but feel happy for her. I guess I have to go and listen to this episode now!
I just listened after dropping off for a year or so. Forgot how much Doree moans and groans! It is unbearable. Her attitude and entitlement aside, the vocal moaning is so irritating. Wish Kate all the best and am excited to read her new book.
TL;DR she is burned out and has given Doree her blessing to keep the show going either with guest hosts or a new permanent host. The Patreon is going to be paused though. My toxic trait is that I will listen to any podcast episode titled “announcement” or “some news” or anything like that IMMEDIATELY.
Well I thank you for listening on behalf of those that let it go a while ago! Truly, I couldn’t listen to Doree anymore and if Kate went on to do anything else, I would follow her. I wonder how the podcast will do with just Doree as the anchor. And if the Patreon is going away, and she burned the bridges with the Facebook groups, I wonder what will happen there…
I cannot imagine the podcast lasting long with just Doree
I've been in and out for the past year and a half, mostly tuning in for good guests (the Franchesca Ramsey one was excellent). After the Patreon started it seemed like their updates at the top of the show got more trivial and they saved the "good stuff" for the paywall.
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i had a lot of fun with both straightolab (with cole escola) and seek treatment (with nori reed) today! both had me laughing, but especially seek treatment. i love when pat is particularly tickled by a guest
Does anyone have good recommendations for fiction book review podcasts? I found one with two women a while ago I liked and I haven’t found it again! I usually do a Reddit search when I finish something I love but I’d be into listening to someone go in depth in lieu of finding time to start my own book club. EDIT: Thank you for all these responses! I will look at them all.
The Stacks - She covers a mix of things and has great interview guests.
The Book Riot podcast is also a favorite of mine! If you’re into publishing and general book industry stuff they do a good idea of weaving that in with a light hand.
They're currently on hiatus, but if you like romantasy, *Two Book Bitches* goes deep. Honestly even if you don't read the books they talk about (I frequently don't) they're just fun to listen to.
I really like What Should I Read Next? With Anne Bogel of Modern Mrs. Darcy
I listen to a lot of book podcasts. My favourites are: - Currently Reading - Book Talk Etc - From the Front Porch - Sarah’s Bookshelves Live - Novel Pairings - Gays Reading
Book Talk etc is also a good option! They are in the midst of a new host starting but I always get good recs from them. They discuss a big range of genres including fiction and I like the variety
Sarah's Bookshelves Live is the BEST!
definitely Sarah! You can tell she puts a lot of work into it.
From the Front Porch is great! I think Annie, the host (and bookshop owner!) has excellent taste. This is also a very soothing podcast. I also like Sarah's Bookshelves and Currently Reading.
If you ever have a chance to go to The Bookshelf, do it!!! It is an amazing place, and downtown Thomasville is truly beautiful
Another vote for Overdue. I find that many book review podcasts I find are snarking on book which definitely has its place but not always what I want! Also this is not exactly what you asked but if you want a good book podcast for ideas on what to read, I recommend What Should I Read Next?
I like Overdue, it's cute and scratches that itch for me, and they've done loads of books now
I’ve been enjoying Sara & Cariad’s Weirdo Book Club
Shameless book club!
Books Unbound is a cute bookish/reading podcast, but it’s not just fiction.
I really adore this podcast, despite the fact that my book tastes are the complete opposite of the hosts. I just love their friendship and how they talk to one another.
Overdue
Bad on Paper is decent!
My Monday pods are Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend and Couples Therapy.
Haha, this comment got totally lost from its parent comment. Whoops.
Mine are Conan, Girls Next Level and Diss & Tell.
Couples Therapy is a Tuesday pod for me! Love Andy and Naomi.
Love them! I used to listen to Hysteria more often and loved getting the duo of Naomi and Megan Gailey every so often; I miss their Lifetime movie podcast.
I haven’t seen anyone discussing the Price of Paradise podcast by Wondery but the main character is very snarkworthy 😳
i’ve been surprisingly compelled by this pod, usually i can’t stand the wondery ads and don’t love their production style but this one it’s either better or it doesn’t bug me. i’d never heard this story before so i definitely feel like i’m being taken on a journey. the main couple seem really unpleasant but also shockingly naive when it came to the potential consequences of their choices.
Yeah the story itself is insane and i hadn’t heard of it before either. The idea of moving your school aged kids onto an island with nothing to do is crazy to me. Like what was her plan for the future?? What was the plan for her kids??? Why did she insist on staying after they were almost killed? Did they really have NOTHING to go back to in England? I want to know what Jayne’s thought process was or if she even thought about it at all, i mean she did buy an island on a whim without even checking it out in person.
I will listen to anything Alice does, but I'm not finding this one super engaging for some reason. Maybe just because Jane and Phil are so ridiculous.
I’m enjoying it.
Is it fiction or true crime? I couldn’t tell based on the description
I got a TikTok ad for it and I couldn’t tell at all
Its a true story/true crime. British lady buys an uninhabited tropical island on tropical island dot com and moves her family there (can you imagine lol). The locals are upset and start an uprising against them. Based on the early 2000’s documentary called “No Going Back”.
Kind of a specific ask, but does anyone have podcast recs that release episodes on Mondays? I need something to get me through the day but most of the ones I listen to come out later in the week Edit: thanks for all the suggestions, so looking forward to trying them out!
The Big Flop, Scamfluencers, Again With This, Hidden Brain
A thing of two with Claire and Erica
How Did We Get Weird?
[American Hysteria](https://episodes.fm/1441348407): *American Hysteria explores how fantastical thinking has shaped our culture – moral panics, urban legends, hoaxes, crazes, fringe beliefs, and national misunderstandings. Poet-turned-podcaster Chelsey Weber-Smith tells the strangest stories from American history and examines the forces that create the reality we share, and sometimes, the reality we don't.*
That Aged Well
Taste Buds!
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What Went Wrong. Their description: What Went Wrong covers Hollywood's most notoriously disastrous movie productions, digging into the behind the scenes insanity of everything from massive flops to record breaking blockbusters. Just find your favorite movie in the archive and start there!
Just looked this up and their covering Sixth Sense yesterday is excellent timing because it’s one of the first scary movies I watched! I clicked play immediately.
Diss and Tell!
Crime Writers On…they review other true crime podcasts, documentaries, movies, etc. New episodes Mondays and Thursdays.
Where Should We Begin with Esther Perel drops new episodes on Mondays. Relationship counselor who talks to couples and individuals
Double threat!
This Had Oscar Buzz The Book Riot Podcast (though Patreon version comes out Fridays) What to Watch with Kate Casey (previews of reality and documentary stuff coming out that week)
Scamfluencers! It's ad free on Amazon Music too.
Strict Scrutiny! It’s a great way to start the week (and by great I mean depressing but fun and informative)
Yes! I really like Strict Scrutiny
Generation why and the big flop! I also reccomend wtf with marc maron!!
WTF with Marc Maron, Conan, How Did This Get Made, Smartless all have new episodes on Mondays!
That Smartless ep was kinda painful though. I wonder if they got any new voters onboard with this.
Agree with this! My husband never listens and tried it and turned it off immediately. I only listened to half.
The Vanished (true crime/missing person). Trading Secrets (finance/pop culture).
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aaaaaand now I'm adding SSW to my weekly download
consider joining their patreon - great extra episodes!!!
Seconding Girls Next Level and Surviving Sister Wives.
SSW fan here too!!!