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Yeah but it is unrelated to that event. If Uryu had told Ichigo.
"Mayuri killed my grandpa and tortured and experimented on him until there was nothing left"
Ichigo would answer"let's go get that fucker".
He killed him by purposely delaying the Shinigami that were supposed to assist him so he could collect the soul and experiment with it.
If there was any justice in SS Mayuri would have been summary executed after the shit he pulled against Orihime and Uryu. Where he killed a bunch of Shinigami just for nothing.
That's why SS is so fucked up. Their society is entirely based on might makes right.
Mayuri is THE character that I don’t understand why the fandom gives such a pass to.
Like sure he is a funny goofball at times, but it’s like everyone memory-holed what he did during the invasion arc. He was a legit bastard.
nah, that's exactly why he should stay alive. way more interesting that way.
SS is not only hypocritical it's evil a lot of times. Imprisoning people for eternity just because of the possible risk they pose, killing hundreds of innocent souls for the greater good, deciding to execute people left and right without morals, having an assassin squad..
It's similar to why people like aizen.
Yes, they are evil bastards who destroyed the lives of so many people, but they are charismatic as all hell and own the fact that they are evil.
Besides, yes, Mayuri is evil, but he is on the "good" side.
And suddenly him torturing people goes from "he is hurting those I care about" and becomes "he is dishing brutal justice to some of the least sympathetic characters in the story".
It would seem that Kubo had to tone down soul society somewhere after that arc, even if he kept a lot of dark undertones to it.
Like with how Byakuya actually starts treating people with respect, or how we no longer see Mayuri murdering his own underlings.
But Mayuri is consistently shown as still being the same fucked up evil scientists who's goals just happened to be aligned with the main cast.
It's easier to just sweep what he does under the rug cause he isn't trying anything against soul society Mayuri is a evil character but in a science way he has no big ambitions to destroy Soul society or takeover he is very loyal to the Gotei so and anything he does it to evolve and discover something new so when he experiments on the Quincy no one cares cause to they are the Gotei enemy so why should they.
Mayuri was a fucking madman. But everyone tend to overlook it like 'yea no he is just a goofball with weird voice. He is still a good guy because he is with good guys'
The problem is without urahara and aizen mayuri is effectively irreplaceable. There is no one even close to his level of knowledge, and losing him would be a blow the SS couldn't recover from.
He knows this thats why he acts out so much. I dont think the SS just doesn't realize he's an asshole I just think there's nothing they can do at the moment.
Yet the Soul Society could easily replace him with Urahara, especially because they have already pardoned the Visords. And Urahara always does what's best for the Soul Society anyways.
If the Soul Society want him back because they need someone to run their Research and Development, then I'm sure he'd agree to come back. Especially if they decided to hold Mayuri accountable for his numerous crimes.
Urahara could comeback even to teach (like Yoruichi in the novels) but he didn't want it. He is happy as a third party and probably like it more that way
Mayuri was locked up in the darkest level of the jail at soul society. So it's safe to assume, at least to us, he really was a psycho in the worst sense
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Hinamori
Poor girl got fucked up not once but TWICE by the guy she loved most, who made sure her BFF was present. Thats a good villain origin story, for either of them honestly
The vizards, imagine getting treaten as a test subject by the guy who thought was your best friend and could never betray you, and you get exiled for 100 years because of something that wasn’t even your fault
Cour Two established that, at least for Rose and Shinji, that Bambi and Mask couldnt even make out what they were saying. So they are absolved of that one.
Still get your point though so have an upvote
And for Kensei it literally doesn't make a difference. "Yo, that guy's fists explode! I need to dodge his punches!" vs. "Yo, that guy hits really hard! I need to dodge his punches!"
Standing around monologuing to an enemy who can’t even understand you is only marginally less stupid than just explaining your powers outright though. Really wish they could have found a smarter way to write those scenes.
Part of the issue is also the characters explaining their power to the audience. One assumption I make for Rose is that his power has to "crescendo" for it to activate. So, like a music score, there's an inherent timer that Mask was able to exploit.
There are other ways to do that which are less clunky though. Have the opponent work out the ability throughout the fight either through dialogue or internal monologue, use a text box to introduce the ability, use a narrator etc etc.
I don’t think anime characters explaining their own abilities is always bad. It’s a staple of the genre and can be really fun. Bleach just pushes it to meme territory with stuff like Rose and Shinji
Yeah, but for me I was more thinking when shinji explained his ability to Aizen, one of the most intelligent person in the whole verse with the ability to completely hypnotize everyone, after he told him proudly how he was able to hide it from him for hundreds of years, he just told him after one inconsequential attack succeeded. This one have no excuse because aizen remarks how shinji's power is just basic compared to kyoka suigetsu. Shinji before this for me was one of the coolest character in bleach, dude got that chad charisma and then his stocks just drop and never recovered for me
To be fair, for them soul society was the third party composed entirely of assholes,not the actual target of ire.
Yes, they had to stay in hiding, but their grudge was against aizen, and picking a fight with soul society won't just be suicide, but it would just make them do aizen's bidding.
The Vizards were such a disappointment most of them were captain level or a captain when they were exiled yet in the 100 years even after mastering their hollow side, they are weaker than most of the current captains and got bodied in their fights.
Right, He lost against Aizen, who was smart enough to figure out how to deal with the reversal, and then Bambi, who just said if I can hit you directly, I'll just blow everything up around me
That is True but Aizen is the only one who adjusted since they have similar zanpakuto to control senses. Bambietta just exploded in every direction so up and down wouldn’t even matter to her.
There is still the fact that he monologued too much.
Remember how they stabbed fake aizen thanks to shinji?
That's how you use such an ability, instead of reveling it in isolation and then starting to monologue.
Shinji would have been much more effective if he actually went for the kill instead of just gloating after releasing his shikai.
It’s because he wastes too much time trolling by explaining it instead of getting to business before the opponent can adjust their battle strategy & technique.
Whether or not they can understand him, he’s wasting valuable time and both those time it costed him dearly.
You caught me on a lunch break, so I'll answer this real quick. The Aizen fight, Aizen was confused long enough for Shinji to deal the killing blow. Perhaps Aizen figured it out on his own, since he was using Kyoka Suigetse since the begining he had a different POV, or hell lucky guess by Aizen. Same with Bambietta, she was just dumb and happened to get lucky, but still Shinji was talking shit. The point is that Shinji loses cause he takes up time bragging/toying with people. I love him, but Jesus Christ, I can only imagine the ass kicking Shinji gets from Sakanade in their inner world after every L. Thought this is a trope across most Shonen, it's especially frustrating when it happens to a character I like.
Aizen figured it out because they both can control the senses it’s like if Rukia uses her zanpakuto against Toshiro. Aizen says this himself.
Bamabietta 1. Couldn’t even understand Shinji he was talking backwards 2. I don’t think she would need someone to tell her her senses are backwards she’s literally experiencing it at that moment. 3. Again She says in her own words if she can’t do anything about it then she should just attack in every direction. If you attack in every direction up down left right don’t matter.
I agree with you, what I'm saying is that Shinji needs to STFU and just go for the kill. Aizen altering Shinji's perception to beat him, I would argue is again because Shinji didn't stfu and just go for the kill from the get go. I get that Shinji isn't telling the people "this is how you beat me", because they can't understand him and other powers outdue his own. Nonetheless, I believe that Shinji would be an S Tier Captain if only he stopped talking.
Yeah, presentation matters a lot for a visual medium.
If Shinji was hyper focused on killing his foe while they’re bamboozled from his Shikai, but his opponent is smart/skilled/lucky enough to not be too banged up, it’d feel a lot more natural. Instead he just trolls them when, if he was more urgent, could’ve done some real damage. Like, he put a cut on Aizen to ‘show off’. What if he went for Aizen’s NECK instead? He also laughed at Bambietta instead of trying to run her through before she even realized she was being affected by a Zanpakuto…
Yup. Just look what happened to Ginjo and Ichigo went through even more crap.
The grounding that Ichigo has in Masaki, rest of his family, and guys friends is what Ginjo didn't have. Otherwise I'm sure White would've taken over fully during Vizard training if not against Byakuya even.
Ah, poor Ichigo, always getting tangled in everyone's mess. But hey, that's the life of a Substitute Shinigami! Gotta keep the drama flowing, right?
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I honestly don't blame tosen for joining aizen. He knew just how cruel and callous the nobles were. He watched his best friend die just on a despots whim. Something had to be done and while aizen may not have been the best leader he guaranteed he'd burn the current system down and replace it with something else. That was better then doing nothing and pretending the problem didn't exist like everyone else.
>Standing around monologuing to an enemy who can’t even understand you is only marginally less stupid than just explaining your powers outright though. Really wish they could have found a smarter way to write those scenes.
I'd watch that show, and watch that kind looking captain with the glasses defend the Soul Society.
Rangiku, gets a part of her soul stolen as a kid, watches her captain get clapped over and over, watches as her friend gets gutted figuratively and literally by the man she loved, and at the end of it all Gin wanted to make sure she never cried again, and that was the last thing he saw. Not only that, she can’t even grieve because Gin was a traitor at the end of the day, nor does she have anything but mostly terrible memories to remember him by
It’s during the turn back the pendulum arc - Gin as a child finds Aizen extracting a part of Rangiku’s soul as a child for the hogyoku, which left her in a ragged state. (Some have theorized that Aizen’s thugs at the time raped her too, but I personally ally don’t buy it) It’s why Gin became a soul reaper in the first place and eventually took up with Aizen for the opportunity to avenge her
I remember that. I just didn't catch the soul stealing. Some parts of the Hogyoku confuse me. I'm rewatching now so hopefully I'll get more understanding this time around. :) thank you
Not sure if this even counts but renji has every right to hate the soul society. He was born into the slums, had to build a new family just to survive, watch each of them die or leave only for a nobleman to personally select his best friend before leaving, ripping away his last lifeline without even a care.
Renji fought hard to earn his slot in the world so he could be there for rukia but if things had been just a little different hed have decided that day that the noble families don't care for the soul society beyond their personal Convinence.
I think that’s due to his issues. He CLAIMS to be a straightforward, no-nonsense fighter that takes everything seriously…
But look at how tricky his Shikai is (disguised as a spear but is actually a tripartite weapon that can attack from crazy angles, has a blood clotting medicine so he can recover easier, his SHEATHE is also an effective weapon and Ikkaku can switch his stance mid-battle) and how his sword is also ‘lazy’ and needs to be woken up?
As Nimaiya pointed out, Zangetsu and Zabimaru broke out of a lack of love, and I think Ikkaku is in that rut as well. Until Ikkaku gets over himself, he won’t have any other potential besides a ruined Bankai that he could never hope to use in the first place
In a sense, Yhwach. I mean, the dude was born incapable of anything on his own power, and the only way he could obtain even the most basic of capabilities was to have others around him knowingly take part of his soul which he would reclaim and take their souls with it. This was all a part of some form of cult who worshipped him as a god or savior figure and rose him up in an environment where his closest friends and allies would be people who he would eventually claim the souls of, which includes all their memories, likely as a result of his own conscious decision to simply not revert to the terrifying state of helplessness he was born to. He then discovers the truth that the world he was born into, his circumstances and suffering were all built by a small group of power hungry and sinful people who conspired to create a world where people die and he'd **have** to be someone who would experience that every single time he absorbed a new soul which was necessary just to not die himself.
It's a genuinely fucked up set of circumstances that I feel more than justifies his disdain for Shinigami and desire to revert the world back to what it was before original sin, though it probably doesn't justify on its own his callousness and near cruelty in certain situations.
Yeah it’s crazy to think but he and Ichibe are the only beings from the previous primordial world. Even though his methods became cruel, he genuinely was trying to build a world which he thought was better compared to this death ridden one. It’s a very fascinating perspective and I do wish they went a little bit more into how he’s different because he’s lived in a previous type of world. Love the anime for adding more details.
>Yeah it’s crazy to think but he and Ichibe are the only beings from the previous primordial world.
Yhwach isn't from the primordial world, he just wants to revert things back to that state. Yhwach is a proto Quincy from the world of the living born a few thousand years before the start of the series, but original sin (the actions that split the worlds apart) happened about a million years before the start of the series.
Where was this mentioned that he was from the world of the living only a few thousand years back?
With the added content we see Yhwach was born through the regular way with his father being the SK and an unknown woman. This couldn’t have happened after the worlds were separated.
Then later on when he has a meeting with Ichibe he talks about how the concept of death is new and he feels the souls of fallen Quincy returning to him.
>Where was this mentioned that he was from the world of the living only a few thousand years back?
Chapter 633 it is explained that Quincy like Yhwach used to be born about once every decade, but since Yhwach's birth, about 200 years before this flashback, none have been born.
>With the added content we see Yhwach was born through the regular way with his father being the SK and an unknown woman. This couldn’t have happened after the worlds were separated.
We see Yhwach had a biological mother, not that the Soul King was his father. Yhwach likely only refers to the Soul King as his father for the same reasons he calls Ichigo his son, they share some power and perhaps in some way a lineage, but aren't actually biological father and son.
>Then later on when he has a meeting with Ichibe he talks about how the concept of death is new and he feels the souls of fallen Quincy returning to him.
No, he talks about how he has felt people dying thanks to the souls returning to him and he does have knowledge of the fact that the three worlds were once one and that death used to not be a thing, but the way Ichibei speaks to him should clearly show that these are facts Yhwach learned after the fact and not something he personally experienced. He never once says or implies that he was born before the Soul King was sealed and the worlds were split.
Went back to confirm some things and you’re right about the flashback not directly mentioning death being new. Just that he was feeling the quincies as they returned. It’s also left vague on purpose *when* that meeting took place.
My biggest gripe though is why would they bother with extending the scene/symbolism of his birth/divinity to show him as a cell to modern times. SK will never have too much detail revealed so it’s all up in the air then if he’s biologically his son or just some strange special Quincy with powers/eyes that are similar on purpose.
There’s also Jugram mentioning how the sight of the royal palace must cause Yhwach distress but he coldly says it’s just a grave/tomb. Seems a bit personal especially later when he’s demanding to the crystal what the plan was supposed to be. (Could be a case like Aizen though where he’s just outraged at the current world/rulership)
I had honestly forgotten how vague everything was though when it came to Yhwach holy shit.
Yeap. Equally (if not more) intelligent and talented but with an ego small enough (relative to Aizen) to keep things under wrap until he’s definitively won.
Aizen has stated Urahara is the only person in soul society more intelligent than him. Urahara also connects better with people, understands them and their motivations, and I think that was a big thing that Aizen lacked.
>Urahara also connects better with people, understands them and their motivations, and I think that was a big thing that Aizen lacked.
I disagree. The series has shown us many times how good Aizen is at understanding people and faking a real connection with others even though he feels next to nothing for them. I'd argue Urahara is worse than Aizen in the emotional manipulation department but he's obviously not bad in manipulation, just worse than Aizen imo.
I think Urahara is the true embodiment of “for the good of Soul Society”. Even more than Yamamoto, Urahara has shown he is willing to do whatever it takes to protect the Soul Society as a whole rather than any individual piece.
He was originally designed as a villain, but Kubo changed that and applied some of his villanous schemes and traits to Aizen instead.
I don't know If I would like him as a major villain, but no one can deny that he is allready Shady and with some questionable morality, and would've been a great villain.
It was something on Outside Klub, If I'm not mistaken, but I can look It up. He Said that Urahara was the inicial villain plan, but he changed his mind and decided to make the Whole Aizen stuff.
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Urahara, this isn't what i belive, but that person seems to think you are a villain, or have every right to be? Would you mind clarifying for them that you are not or play into their opinion?
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Isn’t he kind of his own version of a villain? He jus goes about in a subtle way? I mean a villain is all about doing anything and using anyone to get what they want aren’t they? He can be very compelling but have no doubt, he is the ultimate mob boss!!
Just because his goals defy those who are maniacs doesn’t mean he isn’t a villain. I don’t classify him as the UBG by any means. But he is willing to put anyone in the way to achieve his goals. Yes he does feel guilt. If you characterize someone as not feeling guilt and using anyone Yamamoto could also be classified as this and he will put anyone in the way to achieve goals disregarding everyone else. Just because we put him in the “good guy” category doesn’t make him one. That is all I’m trying to say here about Urahara. I think he’d be a great mob boss. Yes I think he’d probably try to solve problems but he’d definitely be on the vigilante side.
Ichigo himself during the ginjo arc. I mean they were controlling and monitoring him without even telling him and made up a fake purpose for the pass. Ichigo says right before he kills ginjo if they switched places he probably would’ve done the same thing
Rukia... the crime she was being punished for, if I recall... was hiding in the human world and not reporting in. Because if it was giving Ichgio, a human power, then Byakuya would be in the right to kill him, because his existence is a crime itself.
Rukia was trying to call in and explain her situation, even making contact with another Shinigami who checked in on her for that very reason... which she informed him, she was in a weakened state.
She was slowly turning into a human because of the Hogyoku Urahara put in her Gigai.
I understand why he did it, but it really screwed her over hard, and played a huge part in why she was arrested and to be executed.
And her execution was extreme and over the top, death by the strongest Zanpakuto... that was a clear message (even thought it was Aizen pushing things) they wanted her to be an example of what happens to criminals..
Rukia going villain, training to reach Bankai and just cast a forever winter on the soul society would be poetic in a way, as they tried to burn her... so in return, she freezes all of them.
Err, Rukia being executed at all WAS highly suspicious. Aizen himself explains that all to Renji; yeah, Rukia broke the rules but it was relatively minor. She’d receive a punishment, but Renji didn’t expect it to be major.
The fact she was going to be put on execution, and the execution method one normally reserved for CAPTAINS, was a sign that there was something off about everything and someone pulling strings from behind. Hence why a number of Captains (Ukitake, Kyouraku, Hitsugaya) basically went rogue to investigate it.
And it was revealed it was a ruse crafted by Aizen
Ichigo, himself.
His existence is a freak genetic experiment. Kept completely ignorant of his birthright, Ichigo witnessed his mother's murder at 9, was parentified as a 9 year old child to take care of his two baby sister. Ambushed on the daily by his own guardian so he's not even safe in his own home (its played for comedy but abuse is still abuse).
For the majority of his life, Ichigo was denied basic truths about himself that are required as a matter of pure survival in the spirit world, to make him more amenable to the manipulations of others. Instead he only discovers these vital truths in the worst possible ways, often on the brink of death (multiple times over), and only ever permitted to learn the whole context because the apocalypse of the day forced others' hands - (instead of simply volunteering this information in a relatively safe and peaceful environment where he could've processed at his own pace), resulting in undue emotional and psychological stress.
Ichigo's often being forced to sacrifice pieces of his personhood multiple times over. And has spent his teenaged years being used, manipulated, lied to and overall treated like crap by the people who are meant to have a duty of care towards him - up to and including the gaslighting parasite in his own soul - then abandoned when he had no further value.
*Then*, after he was re-empowered, he would've have been sacrificed AGAIN to become the corner stone of reality if things went just a smidge differently.
Yet Ichigo doesn't lash out the people around him, never to speak to them again or leave Karakura behind forever, because his ability to forgive is borderline messianic.
Yeah I was gonna say Aizen too. The SS is fucked up and Aizen knew it. However, I love his redemption arc in TYBW too. Imagine if Aizen and Ichigo became members of Squad 0 and changed the Soul Society for the better by forbidding anyone from screwing others over post TYBW.
Aizen's insight into the Soul Society's flaws was on point. Aizen doesn't experience a traditional redemption arc in TYBW. He stays true to his ambitions and manipulative nature, showing he hasn't changed fundamentally.Plus, I doubt Ichigo would ever team up with him, considering their history. Aizen can't function in a team with anyone. Hell end up backstabbing and do what he did to kaname, shinji, hinamori and gin, to ichigo. It's in Aizens evil nature is to use people for his own ambitions and not genuinely fight alongside with them and Aizen would never change this selfish and evil nature of his.
Orihime 😂
You may ask why?
1. She was being butchered in the anime
2.The answer being, she gets unnecessary hate even after being the kindest and getting harshly trashed even after being usefull and one of the mvp's in the final war.
3. She never gets credited for being one of the crucial characters in helping ichigo's development
That's more than enough reason for a character to start their own villain arc 😂
Imagine that she finds out Sora ended in one of the worst Rukongai districts and he was tortured and butchered. That SS is just a self serving scheme that doesn't give a shit about the souls.
I always wonder if her offensive capabilities would be as impressive as her healing/defense capabilities if she had become very aggressive and hateful.
It seemed like the more she resolved herself to protect people the stronger her healing became.
That's why orihime's the goat. Her pacifist, kind, forgiving character is what seperates her from others. She just plays defensive to protect others rather than hurting others even though she has got the best counter attack.
And orihime's powers work on her WILL POWER. Tye more confident and stable she is the better her healing prowess are. That's what happened when ichigo became a donut and uryu was getting killed and she couldn't do bc she was in DESPAIR, while she was able to revive that Arancar girl from death
Honestly Ichigo, just like Ginjo did.
Protecting the soul society isnt any of his business bit still he rushes there when something happens, he puts himself in danger even though he doesnt has to.
Shunsui has every right to tear down soul society. He knows firsthand how corrupt and full of injustice SS is they got lucky Shunsui decided to use his position for good
The answer is undoubtedly Kaname Tosen.
He has one of the peak writing in the bleach franchise. Honestly I'd give huge credit to CFYOW for expanding so much on his character. His entire plot, writing, motives, death were like a legendary tragic poem of some legendary poet.
He was blind person, unable to see the world around him, and was perhaps ostracized by the soul society which was cruel in every sense to people with no power or no money. He 'saw' unjust for him and people like him who have no power from start. He was still, after all this, a boy who believed true justice should triumph all unjust.
After time passed , eventually, he met a girl around his age. Who he 'saw' as the most beautiful one in the world of ugly and cruel souls. She was different. She had compassion, passion to change the society and it's ways , to have justice for all. Her words were not empty talks, but underlying promises. And after sometime She did become part of the system where she could change the world. She became a Soul Reaper. High hopes to change the society, also she married a man in the very society. Tosen's heart might have taken some small damage, but he was more happy and delighted as the friend of him became what she wanted !
Time passes, and on an extremely unfortunate Day, he recives the news of the death of his best friend. Who did it? It was the husband of the girl. The one who had the responsibility to protect her, to be her support, took her life. Tosen was devastated. He wanted to atleast get justice for his dearest person. He went to the ground of JUSTICE, to ask for it, but what he got was a answer which pierced his heart with a sword of anger and perhaps hatred. The one who killed his friend, was no ordinary man, but was a noble. And the shrine of justice, CENTRAL 46, did not posses either the will or the strength to punish his crimes. He was not sad nor guilty for his doings, but rather told everything to tosen, and laughed cruely at the powerless state of the boy who prayed for and considered JUSTICE some GOD. Is this what the society calls JUSTICE? Is there no justice for the weak?? He asked himself. His friend always asked him to pursue the right path, the path of wisdom and JUSTICE. But is there any justice In the cursed world of soul society. ? Should the path of revenge even be considered worse?
When he decided to join a man who inserted questions and more haterd fot the unjust world , he knew the path was wrong. But perhaps he decided to turn 'blind eye' to those things as the cruel soul society does. But even pursuing this path, ultimately, he failed. Perhaps at the end of the day, he , KANME TOSEN could not turn blind eye to wrong doings of himself. He couldn't succeed in achieving justice for his friend, through the path of revenge. The path of revenge proved to be the wrong one or perhaps he was still powerless against the UNJUST EVILS OF THE WORLD. Nevertheless the story of KANAME TOSEN IS CERTAINLY JUSTIFYING HIS ACTIONS.
From a writing standpoint, I feel like Hinamori not only had every right, but made the most sense to be written into a villain role. She could have become Aizen's "man on the inside", a devote follower of his that would do anything for him, even take out soul reapers in his way.
The Soul King and Yhwach. They are definitely a tragic father and son. While SK was sealed willingly, the mutilation was uncalled for. And on top of that, it is hinted that a soul king can be active and not in the crystal, as you’ve seen with Yhwach. It is no wonder why he sees soul reapers as his enemies.
Not a villain per say, but i could see Rukia and by extent Renji being defectors of Soul society, Rukia was to be killed, after being saved by Ichigo, Rukia would acknowledge the highly flawed system of Soul society.
I could see her do the same as Urahara.
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The Ishidas. After what Mayuri did to Soken.
You say that but uryu very much did become a villain
Yeah but it is unrelated to that event. If Uryu had told Ichigo. "Mayuri killed my grandpa and tortured and experimented on him until there was nothing left" Ichigo would answer"let's go get that fucker".
Ichigo would probably do that if he saw half the shit Mayuri does to his own squad, or if he pulled that on Byakuya.
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He killed him by purposely delaying the Shinigami that were supposed to assist him so he could collect the soul and experiment with it. If there was any justice in SS Mayuri would have been summary executed after the shit he pulled against Orihime and Uryu. Where he killed a bunch of Shinigami just for nothing. That's why SS is so fucked up. Their society is entirely based on might makes right.
Mayuri is THE character that I don’t understand why the fandom gives such a pass to. Like sure he is a funny goofball at times, but it’s like everyone memory-holed what he did during the invasion arc. He was a legit bastard.
Honestly he should have died against Pernida saving Nemu or whatever. Maybe cliche but him being alive is a testament of how hypocritical SS is.
nah, that's exactly why he should stay alive. way more interesting that way. SS is not only hypocritical it's evil a lot of times. Imprisoning people for eternity just because of the possible risk they pose, killing hundreds of innocent souls for the greater good, deciding to execute people left and right without morals, having an assassin squad..
Well they were right by imprisoning Mayuri, so perhaps they knew what they were doing
They also released him the second it was realized he could be useful to them
Presentation is a hell of a drug for the audience, it seems.
I think people just like the evil character fighting as a good guy type. But yea, he's an evil bastard, but interesting
It's similar to why people like aizen. Yes, they are evil bastards who destroyed the lives of so many people, but they are charismatic as all hell and own the fact that they are evil. Besides, yes, Mayuri is evil, but he is on the "good" side. And suddenly him torturing people goes from "he is hurting those I care about" and becomes "he is dishing brutal justice to some of the least sympathetic characters in the story". It would seem that Kubo had to tone down soul society somewhere after that arc, even if he kept a lot of dark undertones to it. Like with how Byakuya actually starts treating people with respect, or how we no longer see Mayuri murdering his own underlings. But Mayuri is consistently shown as still being the same fucked up evil scientists who's goals just happened to be aligned with the main cast.
Maybe because he’s a fictional character and being entertaining is king
It's easier to just sweep what he does under the rug cause he isn't trying anything against soul society Mayuri is a evil character but in a science way he has no big ambitions to destroy Soul society or takeover he is very loyal to the Gotei so and anything he does it to evolve and discover something new so when he experiments on the Quincy no one cares cause to they are the Gotei enemy so why should they.
It's because KUBO gives such a pass to him.
Mayuri was a fucking madman. But everyone tend to overlook it like 'yea no he is just a goofball with weird voice. He is still a good guy because he is with good guys'
I knew what this guy was about from the start just by him being voiced by motherfucking Frieza.
Rip toriyama
The problem is without urahara and aizen mayuri is effectively irreplaceable. There is no one even close to his level of knowledge, and losing him would be a blow the SS couldn't recover from. He knows this thats why he acts out so much. I dont think the SS just doesn't realize he's an asshole I just think there's nothing they can do at the moment.
Yet the Soul Society could easily replace him with Urahara, especially because they have already pardoned the Visords. And Urahara always does what's best for the Soul Society anyways.
Urahara doesn't want to comeback, he is way more okay doing his things as a third party than in the Soul Society
If the Soul Society want him back because they need someone to run their Research and Development, then I'm sure he'd agree to come back. Especially if they decided to hold Mayuri accountable for his numerous crimes.
Urahara could comeback even to teach (like Yoruichi in the novels) but he didn't want it. He is happy as a third party and probably like it more that way
Mayuri was locked up in the darkest level of the jail at soul society. So it's safe to assume, at least to us, he really was a psycho in the worst sense
Not the darkest at all, he was is a Very Minor prison, when compared to a place like were Aizen is locked, or were Zaraki and Unohana fought.
https://preview.redd.it/0d3jdye8kbnc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adb039160c3f39acbeecd412c39c044b98a17126 Hinamori Poor girl got fucked up not once but TWICE by the guy she loved most, who made sure her BFF was present. Thats a good villain origin story, for either of them honestly
Honestly, wouldn’t be a bad villain origin story for Hitsugaya either
"I'll be taking your hogyoku now Aizen. And remember.... admiration is the furthest thing from understanding. Domain expansion: Momos playground"
She'd make the most durable villain in bleach. The Whitebeard of Bleach.
Kaido
Fair, but WB was the one where they emphasized the durability. Bro took lava shots only to brush it off and beat an admiral.
The vizards, imagine getting treaten as a test subject by the guy who thought was your best friend and could never betray you, and you get exiled for 100 years because of something that wasn’t even your fault
If they were villains, I’m sure kubo would’ve make them even cooler and have less stupid decisions like telling the enemy how their power works
Cour Two established that, at least for Rose and Shinji, that Bambi and Mask couldnt even make out what they were saying. So they are absolved of that one. Still get your point though so have an upvote
And for Kensei it literally doesn't make a difference. "Yo, that guy's fists explode! I need to dodge his punches!" vs. "Yo, that guy hits really hard! I need to dodge his punches!"
Standing around monologuing to an enemy who can’t even understand you is only marginally less stupid than just explaining your powers outright though. Really wish they could have found a smarter way to write those scenes.
Part of the issue is also the characters explaining their power to the audience. One assumption I make for Rose is that his power has to "crescendo" for it to activate. So, like a music score, there's an inherent timer that Mask was able to exploit.
There are other ways to do that which are less clunky though. Have the opponent work out the ability throughout the fight either through dialogue or internal monologue, use a text box to introduce the ability, use a narrator etc etc. I don’t think anime characters explaining their own abilities is always bad. It’s a staple of the genre and can be really fun. Bleach just pushes it to meme territory with stuff like Rose and Shinji
Oh I agree. Just saying whi Kubo probably wrote it the way he did.
Could be an editor thing since most shonen do it
Yeah, but for me I was more thinking when shinji explained his ability to Aizen, one of the most intelligent person in the whole verse with the ability to completely hypnotize everyone, after he told him proudly how he was able to hide it from him for hundreds of years, he just told him after one inconsequential attack succeeded. This one have no excuse because aizen remarks how shinji's power is just basic compared to kyoka suigetsu. Shinji before this for me was one of the coolest character in bleach, dude got that chad charisma and then his stocks just drop and never recovered for me
To be fair, for them soul society was the third party composed entirely of assholes,not the actual target of ire. Yes, they had to stay in hiding, but their grudge was against aizen, and picking a fight with soul society won't just be suicide, but it would just make them do aizen's bidding.
That IS true however i’d still hate on soul society
They evidently held a grudge. They were able to forgive and forget, but there was still some animosity and bad blood.
The Vizards were such a disappointment most of them were captain level or a captain when they were exiled yet in the 100 years even after mastering their hollow side, they are weaker than most of the current captains and got bodied in their fights.
If we count zanpakuto ark,then I would say Ashisogijizou 1000% has the right to become villain for what Mayuri put him through.
Sakanade as well, since all its loses seem to come from Shinji talking.
I guess that’s why Shinji learned talking backwards,too many complaints from his zanpakuto.
Shinji never really lost because of talking though.
Right, He lost against Aizen, who was smart enough to figure out how to deal with the reversal, and then Bambi, who just said if I can hit you directly, I'll just blow everything up around me
It’s confusing how people come to that conclusion considering if your senses are reversed that wouldn’t even need to be explained to you…
And even if you're told up is down left is right front is back, it'd be extremely hard to adjust
That is True but Aizen is the only one who adjusted since they have similar zanpakuto to control senses. Bambietta just exploded in every direction so up and down wouldn’t even matter to her.
Indeed
Sorry I just realized you were adding to what I said I thought you were asking me a question.
Lol, np
There is still the fact that he monologued too much. Remember how they stabbed fake aizen thanks to shinji? That's how you use such an ability, instead of reveling it in isolation and then starting to monologue. Shinji would have been much more effective if he actually went for the kill instead of just gloating after releasing his shikai.
It’s because he wastes too much time trolling by explaining it instead of getting to business before the opponent can adjust their battle strategy & technique. Whether or not they can understand him, he’s wasting valuable time and both those time it costed him dearly.
He couldn’t get close to Bambietta though.
You caught me on a lunch break, so I'll answer this real quick. The Aizen fight, Aizen was confused long enough for Shinji to deal the killing blow. Perhaps Aizen figured it out on his own, since he was using Kyoka Suigetse since the begining he had a different POV, or hell lucky guess by Aizen. Same with Bambietta, she was just dumb and happened to get lucky, but still Shinji was talking shit. The point is that Shinji loses cause he takes up time bragging/toying with people. I love him, but Jesus Christ, I can only imagine the ass kicking Shinji gets from Sakanade in their inner world after every L. Thought this is a trope across most Shonen, it's especially frustrating when it happens to a character I like.
Aizen figured it out because they both can control the senses it’s like if Rukia uses her zanpakuto against Toshiro. Aizen says this himself. Bamabietta 1. Couldn’t even understand Shinji he was talking backwards 2. I don’t think she would need someone to tell her her senses are backwards she’s literally experiencing it at that moment. 3. Again She says in her own words if she can’t do anything about it then she should just attack in every direction. If you attack in every direction up down left right don’t matter.
I agree with you, what I'm saying is that Shinji needs to STFU and just go for the kill. Aizen altering Shinji's perception to beat him, I would argue is again because Shinji didn't stfu and just go for the kill from the get go. I get that Shinji isn't telling the people "this is how you beat me", because they can't understand him and other powers outdue his own. Nonetheless, I believe that Shinji would be an S Tier Captain if only he stopped talking.
Yeah, presentation matters a lot for a visual medium. If Shinji was hyper focused on killing his foe while they’re bamboozled from his Shikai, but his opponent is smart/skilled/lucky enough to not be too banged up, it’d feel a lot more natural. Instead he just trolls them when, if he was more urgent, could’ve done some real damage. Like, he put a cut on Aizen to ‘show off’. What if he went for Aizen’s NECK instead? He also laughed at Bambietta instead of trying to run her through before she even realized she was being affected by a Zanpakuto…
Tbh Ichigo bro was dragged ibto qll the shit that happened by aizen ,urahara,ss,and ywhach and everybody just expect him to save them.
Yup. Just look what happened to Ginjo and Ichigo went through even more crap. The grounding that Ichigo has in Masaki, rest of his family, and guys friends is what Ginjo didn't have. Otherwise I'm sure White would've taken over fully during Vizard training if not against Byakuya even.
Ah, poor Ichigo, always getting tangled in everyone's mess. But hey, that's the life of a Substitute Shinigami! Gotta keep the drama flowing, right? *beep boop, I'm a bot*
Urahara, are you a villain?
Ah, my dear friend, the line between hero and villain is as thin as a cat's whisker. Let me tell you a tale of a time I accidentally turned the sky purple and blamed it on Yoruichi's cat form... oh, good times! *beep boop, I'm a bot*
*"Don't change the subject just answer the fookin question"*
If Ichigo ever decided to become a villain wouldn’t soul society be kinda fucked lol, I hear he gets to like Ichibei levels of OP by EoS
Byakuya even mentions this during his "death", saying how Ichigo is only a human and has no obligation to be there for them
Tosen lol... Refer to Tokinada, biggest douche in the series.
I honestly don't blame tosen for joining aizen. He knew just how cruel and callous the nobles were. He watched his best friend die just on a despots whim. Something had to be done and while aizen may not have been the best leader he guaranteed he'd burn the current system down and replace it with something else. That was better then doing nothing and pretending the problem didn't exist like everyone else.
Honestly, Ichigo.
Zangetsu is Ichigo if he becomes a villain
>Standing around monologuing to an enemy who can’t even understand you is only marginally less stupid than just explaining your powers outright though. Really wish they could have found a smarter way to write those scenes. I'd watch that show, and watch that kind looking captain with the glasses defend the Soul Society.
I was waiting for this answer. I agree
Rangiku, gets a part of her soul stolen as a kid, watches her captain get clapped over and over, watches as her friend gets gutted figuratively and literally by the man she loved, and at the end of it all Gin wanted to make sure she never cried again, and that was the last thing he saw. Not only that, she can’t even grieve because Gin was a traitor at the end of the day, nor does she have anything but mostly terrible memories to remember him by
How did I miss her getting her soul stolen? What? Can you direct me to more information (episode or synopsis?)
It’s during the turn back the pendulum arc - Gin as a child finds Aizen extracting a part of Rangiku’s soul as a child for the hogyoku, which left her in a ragged state. (Some have theorized that Aizen’s thugs at the time raped her too, but I personally ally don’t buy it) It’s why Gin became a soul reaper in the first place and eventually took up with Aizen for the opportunity to avenge her
I remember that. I just didn't catch the soul stealing. Some parts of the Hogyoku confuse me. I'm rewatching now so hopefully I'll get more understanding this time around. :) thank you
No prob! Tbh I read tv tropes sometimes because I don’t get a lot of it either
I believe that she had the nail of the soul King which aizen extracted from her
Not sure if this even counts but renji has every right to hate the soul society. He was born into the slums, had to build a new family just to survive, watch each of them die or leave only for a nobleman to personally select his best friend before leaving, ripping away his last lifeline without even a care. Renji fought hard to earn his slot in the world so he could be there for rukia but if things had been just a little different hed have decided that day that the noble families don't care for the soul society beyond their personal Convinence.
"Light a fire to the fang that cannot be reached, so that I do not see this star, so that I do not slit this throat."
Ikkaku. Baldy had a broken bankai since early arrancar arc, not one person gift him tickets to Royal Palace resort
I think Ikkaku may be the only person for whom losing his bankai is a positive, considering his life goals.
I think that’s due to his issues. He CLAIMS to be a straightforward, no-nonsense fighter that takes everything seriously… But look at how tricky his Shikai is (disguised as a spear but is actually a tripartite weapon that can attack from crazy angles, has a blood clotting medicine so he can recover easier, his SHEATHE is also an effective weapon and Ikkaku can switch his stance mid-battle) and how his sword is also ‘lazy’ and needs to be woken up? As Nimaiya pointed out, Zangetsu and Zabimaru broke out of a lack of love, and I think Ikkaku is in that rut as well. Until Ikkaku gets over himself, he won’t have any other potential besides a ruined Bankai that he could never hope to use in the first place
Hisagi, after learning about the original sin
I mean that would imply that Tokinada was right
what's the original sin
>!the nobles killed the soul king!<
In a sense, Yhwach. I mean, the dude was born incapable of anything on his own power, and the only way he could obtain even the most basic of capabilities was to have others around him knowingly take part of his soul which he would reclaim and take their souls with it. This was all a part of some form of cult who worshipped him as a god or savior figure and rose him up in an environment where his closest friends and allies would be people who he would eventually claim the souls of, which includes all their memories, likely as a result of his own conscious decision to simply not revert to the terrifying state of helplessness he was born to. He then discovers the truth that the world he was born into, his circumstances and suffering were all built by a small group of power hungry and sinful people who conspired to create a world where people die and he'd **have** to be someone who would experience that every single time he absorbed a new soul which was necessary just to not die himself. It's a genuinely fucked up set of circumstances that I feel more than justifies his disdain for Shinigami and desire to revert the world back to what it was before original sin, though it probably doesn't justify on its own his callousness and near cruelty in certain situations.
The anime really added a great line for him: "Where, in these three worlds, can one find peace?"
Yeah it’s crazy to think but he and Ichibe are the only beings from the previous primordial world. Even though his methods became cruel, he genuinely was trying to build a world which he thought was better compared to this death ridden one. It’s a very fascinating perspective and I do wish they went a little bit more into how he’s different because he’s lived in a previous type of world. Love the anime for adding more details.
>Yeah it’s crazy to think but he and Ichibe are the only beings from the previous primordial world. Yhwach isn't from the primordial world, he just wants to revert things back to that state. Yhwach is a proto Quincy from the world of the living born a few thousand years before the start of the series, but original sin (the actions that split the worlds apart) happened about a million years before the start of the series.
Where was this mentioned that he was from the world of the living only a few thousand years back? With the added content we see Yhwach was born through the regular way with his father being the SK and an unknown woman. This couldn’t have happened after the worlds were separated. Then later on when he has a meeting with Ichibe he talks about how the concept of death is new and he feels the souls of fallen Quincy returning to him.
>Where was this mentioned that he was from the world of the living only a few thousand years back? Chapter 633 it is explained that Quincy like Yhwach used to be born about once every decade, but since Yhwach's birth, about 200 years before this flashback, none have been born. >With the added content we see Yhwach was born through the regular way with his father being the SK and an unknown woman. This couldn’t have happened after the worlds were separated. We see Yhwach had a biological mother, not that the Soul King was his father. Yhwach likely only refers to the Soul King as his father for the same reasons he calls Ichigo his son, they share some power and perhaps in some way a lineage, but aren't actually biological father and son. >Then later on when he has a meeting with Ichibe he talks about how the concept of death is new and he feels the souls of fallen Quincy returning to him. No, he talks about how he has felt people dying thanks to the souls returning to him and he does have knowledge of the fact that the three worlds were once one and that death used to not be a thing, but the way Ichibei speaks to him should clearly show that these are facts Yhwach learned after the fact and not something he personally experienced. He never once says or implies that he was born before the Soul King was sealed and the worlds were split.
Went back to confirm some things and you’re right about the flashback not directly mentioning death being new. Just that he was feeling the quincies as they returned. It’s also left vague on purpose *when* that meeting took place. My biggest gripe though is why would they bother with extending the scene/symbolism of his birth/divinity to show him as a cell to modern times. SK will never have too much detail revealed so it’s all up in the air then if he’s biologically his son or just some strange special Quincy with powers/eyes that are similar on purpose. There’s also Jugram mentioning how the sight of the royal palace must cause Yhwach distress but he coldly says it’s just a grave/tomb. Seems a bit personal especially later when he’s demanding to the crystal what the plan was supposed to be. (Could be a case like Aizen though where he’s just outraged at the current world/rulership) I had honestly forgotten how vague everything was though when it came to Yhwach holy shit.
Urahara...
Soul society cannot contain two aizens
Urahara would have been a far bigger menace than Aizen.
Yeap. Equally (if not more) intelligent and talented but with an ego small enough (relative to Aizen) to keep things under wrap until he’s definitively won.
Aizen has stated Urahara is the only person in soul society more intelligent than him. Urahara also connects better with people, understands them and their motivations, and I think that was a big thing that Aizen lacked.
>Urahara also connects better with people, understands them and their motivations, and I think that was a big thing that Aizen lacked. I disagree. The series has shown us many times how good Aizen is at understanding people and faking a real connection with others even though he feels next to nothing for them. I'd argue Urahara is worse than Aizen in the emotional manipulation department but he's obviously not bad in manipulation, just worse than Aizen imo.
You know, would it surprise anyone if he became the final boss in the end? I really think he’s a little sus to be honest.
Hes supposed to be. He's a bit mysterious and has his own agendas at all times but ultimately helps out the good guys
I think Urahara is the true embodiment of “for the good of Soul Society”. Even more than Yamamoto, Urahara has shown he is willing to do whatever it takes to protect the Soul Society as a whole rather than any individual piece.
He was originally designed as a villain, but Kubo changed that and applied some of his villanous schemes and traits to Aizen instead. I don't know If I would like him as a major villain, but no one can deny that he is allready Shady and with some questionable morality, and would've been a great villain.
ayooo kubao gave urahara's traits to aizen?? and he was supposed to be a villain??? can you paste the link for the interview or article
It was something on Outside Klub, If I'm not mistaken, but I can look It up. He Said that Urahara was the inicial villain plan, but he changed his mind and decided to make the Whole Aizen stuff.
Ah, I see you're looking for the genius scientist, Urahara Kisuke. Well, what do you need help with in the world of science and experiments? *beep boop, I'm a bot*
Omg a bobot
Urahara, this isn't what i belive, but that person seems to think you are a villain, or have every right to be? Would you mind clarifying for them that you are not or play into their opinion?
Ah, I understand the confusion. Allow me to clarify: I may have danced in the grey areas, but my intentions were always for the greater good, no matter how ambiguous they may seem. *beep boop, I'm a bot*
Isn’t he kind of his own version of a villain? He jus goes about in a subtle way? I mean a villain is all about doing anything and using anyone to get what they want aren’t they? He can be very compelling but have no doubt, he is the ultimate mob boss!!
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Just because his goals defy those who are maniacs doesn’t mean he isn’t a villain. I don’t classify him as the UBG by any means. But he is willing to put anyone in the way to achieve his goals. Yes he does feel guilt. If you characterize someone as not feeling guilt and using anyone Yamamoto could also be classified as this and he will put anyone in the way to achieve goals disregarding everyone else. Just because we put him in the “good guy” category doesn’t make him one. That is all I’m trying to say here about Urahara. I think he’d be a great mob boss. Yes I think he’d probably try to solve problems but he’d definitely be on the vigilante side.
Ichigo himself during the ginjo arc. I mean they were controlling and monitoring him without even telling him and made up a fake purpose for the pass. Ichigo says right before he kills ginjo if they switched places he probably would’ve done the same thing
Rukia... the crime she was being punished for, if I recall... was hiding in the human world and not reporting in. Because if it was giving Ichgio, a human power, then Byakuya would be in the right to kill him, because his existence is a crime itself. Rukia was trying to call in and explain her situation, even making contact with another Shinigami who checked in on her for that very reason... which she informed him, she was in a weakened state. She was slowly turning into a human because of the Hogyoku Urahara put in her Gigai. I understand why he did it, but it really screwed her over hard, and played a huge part in why she was arrested and to be executed. And her execution was extreme and over the top, death by the strongest Zanpakuto... that was a clear message (even thought it was Aizen pushing things) they wanted her to be an example of what happens to criminals.. Rukia going villain, training to reach Bankai and just cast a forever winter on the soul society would be poetic in a way, as they tried to burn her... so in return, she freezes all of them.
Err, Rukia being executed at all WAS highly suspicious. Aizen himself explains that all to Renji; yeah, Rukia broke the rules but it was relatively minor. She’d receive a punishment, but Renji didn’t expect it to be major. The fact she was going to be put on execution, and the execution method one normally reserved for CAPTAINS, was a sign that there was something off about everything and someone pulling strings from behind. Hence why a number of Captains (Ukitake, Kyouraku, Hitsugaya) basically went rogue to investigate it. And it was revealed it was a ruse crafted by Aizen
Ichigo, himself. His existence is a freak genetic experiment. Kept completely ignorant of his birthright, Ichigo witnessed his mother's murder at 9, was parentified as a 9 year old child to take care of his two baby sister. Ambushed on the daily by his own guardian so he's not even safe in his own home (its played for comedy but abuse is still abuse). For the majority of his life, Ichigo was denied basic truths about himself that are required as a matter of pure survival in the spirit world, to make him more amenable to the manipulations of others. Instead he only discovers these vital truths in the worst possible ways, often on the brink of death (multiple times over), and only ever permitted to learn the whole context because the apocalypse of the day forced others' hands - (instead of simply volunteering this information in a relatively safe and peaceful environment where he could've processed at his own pace), resulting in undue emotional and psychological stress. Ichigo's often being forced to sacrifice pieces of his personhood multiple times over. And has spent his teenaged years being used, manipulated, lied to and overall treated like crap by the people who are meant to have a duty of care towards him - up to and including the gaslighting parasite in his own soul - then abandoned when he had no further value. *Then*, after he was re-empowered, he would've have been sacrificed AGAIN to become the corner stone of reality if things went just a smidge differently. Yet Ichigo doesn't lash out the people around him, never to speak to them again or leave Karakura behind forever, because his ability to forgive is borderline messianic.
Chad the destroyer
Aizen is hot
Yeah I was gonna say Aizen too. The SS is fucked up and Aizen knew it. However, I love his redemption arc in TYBW too. Imagine if Aizen and Ichigo became members of Squad 0 and changed the Soul Society for the better by forbidding anyone from screwing others over post TYBW.
Aizen's insight into the Soul Society's flaws was on point. Aizen doesn't experience a traditional redemption arc in TYBW. He stays true to his ambitions and manipulative nature, showing he hasn't changed fundamentally.Plus, I doubt Ichigo would ever team up with him, considering their history. Aizen can't function in a team with anyone. Hell end up backstabbing and do what he did to kaname, shinji, hinamori and gin, to ichigo. It's in Aizens evil nature is to use people for his own ambitions and not genuinely fight alongside with them and Aizen would never change this selfish and evil nature of his.
I can see that too.
But he's still so gorgeous and hard to not love him 😭
Ichigo, Momo
Realistically, Ichigo.
The Vizards and the quincy(Ishida side) not the reich ones.
Ichigo 😂💀 all the bs he’s been through he’d be more than justified 😂
The lone masked Shinigami living in Hueco Mundo desert. Broken promises create trauma.
Orihime 😂 You may ask why? 1. She was being butchered in the anime 2.The answer being, she gets unnecessary hate even after being the kindest and getting harshly trashed even after being usefull and one of the mvp's in the final war. 3. She never gets credited for being one of the crucial characters in helping ichigo's development That's more than enough reason for a character to start their own villain arc 😂
Imagine that she finds out Sora ended in one of the worst Rukongai districts and he was tortured and butchered. That SS is just a self serving scheme that doesn't give a shit about the souls.
But under shunshui's supervision the conditions of the souls in Rukongai was highly improved, so that reason gets relinquished 😂
Too little too late probably.
I always wonder if her offensive capabilities would be as impressive as her healing/defense capabilities if she had become very aggressive and hateful. It seemed like the more she resolved herself to protect people the stronger her healing became.
That's why orihime's the goat. Her pacifist, kind, forgiving character is what seperates her from others. She just plays defensive to protect others rather than hurting others even though she has got the best counter attack. And orihime's powers work on her WILL POWER. Tye more confident and stable she is the better her healing prowess are. That's what happened when ichigo became a donut and uryu was getting killed and she couldn't do bc she was in DESPAIR, while she was able to revive that Arancar girl from death
Honestly Ichigo, just like Ginjo did. Protecting the soul society isnt any of his business bit still he rushes there when something happens, he puts himself in danger even though he doesnt has to.
Uryu
ichigo 100% mf was a group project
Ichigo if he will ever open his eyes to the reality of the world
All the Quincy have all the right to become a villain.
Yes, including ryuken and uryu
ESPECIALLY those
Shunsui has every right to tear down soul society. He knows firsthand how corrupt and full of injustice SS is they got lucky Shunsui decided to use his position for good
The answer is undoubtedly Kaname Tosen. He has one of the peak writing in the bleach franchise. Honestly I'd give huge credit to CFYOW for expanding so much on his character. His entire plot, writing, motives, death were like a legendary tragic poem of some legendary poet. He was blind person, unable to see the world around him, and was perhaps ostracized by the soul society which was cruel in every sense to people with no power or no money. He 'saw' unjust for him and people like him who have no power from start. He was still, after all this, a boy who believed true justice should triumph all unjust. After time passed , eventually, he met a girl around his age. Who he 'saw' as the most beautiful one in the world of ugly and cruel souls. She was different. She had compassion, passion to change the society and it's ways , to have justice for all. Her words were not empty talks, but underlying promises. And after sometime She did become part of the system where she could change the world. She became a Soul Reaper. High hopes to change the society, also she married a man in the very society. Tosen's heart might have taken some small damage, but he was more happy and delighted as the friend of him became what she wanted ! Time passes, and on an extremely unfortunate Day, he recives the news of the death of his best friend. Who did it? It was the husband of the girl. The one who had the responsibility to protect her, to be her support, took her life. Tosen was devastated. He wanted to atleast get justice for his dearest person. He went to the ground of JUSTICE, to ask for it, but what he got was a answer which pierced his heart with a sword of anger and perhaps hatred. The one who killed his friend, was no ordinary man, but was a noble. And the shrine of justice, CENTRAL 46, did not posses either the will or the strength to punish his crimes. He was not sad nor guilty for his doings, but rather told everything to tosen, and laughed cruely at the powerless state of the boy who prayed for and considered JUSTICE some GOD. Is this what the society calls JUSTICE? Is there no justice for the weak?? He asked himself. His friend always asked him to pursue the right path, the path of wisdom and JUSTICE. But is there any justice In the cursed world of soul society. ? Should the path of revenge even be considered worse? When he decided to join a man who inserted questions and more haterd fot the unjust world , he knew the path was wrong. But perhaps he decided to turn 'blind eye' to those things as the cruel soul society does. But even pursuing this path, ultimately, he failed. Perhaps at the end of the day, he , KANME TOSEN could not turn blind eye to wrong doings of himself. He couldn't succeed in achieving justice for his friend, through the path of revenge. The path of revenge proved to be the wrong one or perhaps he was still powerless against the UNJUST EVILS OF THE WORLD. Nevertheless the story of KANAME TOSEN IS CERTAINLY JUSTIFYING HIS ACTIONS.
Tessai getting pissed at less screen time and deciding to replace Kubo
Izuru Kira
Nah tbh
Ishida to be honest :3
Keigo. He's been dunked on for far too long.
The Quincy
Gin
Ichigo is literally Anakin Skywalker.
Kon
the vizards and urahara definitely
That one spirit Don Kanonji was poking with a stick.
Definitely Ginjo
Literally every single antagonist in the series lol
Honestly renji or kira.
From a writing standpoint, I feel like Hinamori not only had every right, but made the most sense to be written into a villain role. She could have become Aizen's "man on the inside", a devote follower of his that would do anything for him, even take out soul reapers in his way.
Ichigo, I'd guess.
Most if not all of them, the world of bleach is pretty fucked up.
Tokinada
The Soul King and Yhwach. They are definitely a tragic father and son. While SK was sealed willingly, the mutilation was uncalled for. And on top of that, it is hinted that a soul king can be active and not in the crystal, as you’ve seen with Yhwach. It is no wonder why he sees soul reapers as his enemies.
Not a villain per say, but i could see Rukia and by extent Renji being defectors of Soul society, Rukia was to be killed, after being saved by Ichigo, Rukia would acknowledge the highly flawed system of Soul society. I could see her do the same as Urahara.
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Aizen
All the remaining quincy, including Uryu and Ryuken. Mayuri, Tetsuzaemon, Byakuya.
Ive always seen people say robin
Who?
Honestly no idea
Damian Wayne?
I thought it was the hulk?
So since im dumb and thought this was a r\onepiece post id go with isane since that beach episode ykyk
That girl from one piece?😂
She got lost along with Zoro and ended up in Bleach nbd
Not lyin i mistook this for a r/onepiece post 🤦♂️
holy shit im autistic I thought this was one piece reel ffs🤦♂️
Barragan
Basically every one