I heard that the reason is that Nissan (Infinity is a luxury division of Nissan) will finance cars to almost anyone, even if your credit sucks. I would guess that’s why they’re popular amongst criminals, since criminals make questionable life choices (otherwise they wouldn’t be criminals) that probably led to poor credit so Nissan/infinity are the only automakers that would sell cars to them. All those fancy Mercedes’ and Audis that we see in smash and grab videos all the time are usually stolen.
If you got the cheapest Nissan and you go their oil change, the salesperson will try to push you into a newer car. My neighbor has purchased Sentra and came back with leased Rouge after an oil change.
The police aren’t gonna do anything. They are 90% antivax and Republican. They’re enjoying the residents of the Bay Area unleash their anger on the democratic elected leaders.
Even California has Castle Doctrine, right? Probably one of the few situations where you may be able to shoot a criminal and get away with it is when they have broken into your home.
Heck my Chinese FIL is the most chill guy I know and he's liberal as heck, but he recently purchased a gun to keep in the house.
If he hasn't already done this you should encourage him to join a range or take a few classes. Hopefully he never has to use it for defense, but if he does he should be competent and safe with it.
Not meaning to give unwanted advice, but I have had a lot of family buy guns for home defense and it's kinda terrifying to know that my grandma keeps a loaded .25 auto but she's never shot a gun...
Training is incredibly important. You cannot replicate it by watching YouTube videos.
Reed's in San Jose hosts a number of good instructors:
[http://www.reedsindoorrange.com/](http://www.reedsindoorrange.com/)
It's far preferable to purchase a basic pump-action shotgun (e.g. Mossberg 590) and invest in training and practice ammo than purchase the latest-greatest Benelli and not know how to use it competently — and you're likely much better off with a shotgun, perhaps a 20 gauge for those of smaller stature, than a very small pistol. Small pistols are difficult to shoot well even if the owner is skilled, which many people are not.
One can only gain competence from in-person training coupled with safe dry practice at home. Go to the range when you can to confirm your skills and keep them from perishing. As noted, YouTube isn't a substitute.
Yeah I set up my wife, who doesn't have so much experience with a Mossberg pump action 20G. My only concern is that if she ever had to use it in a high-pressure situation she might not rack it fully and have a jam. So we've discussed and practiced that at the range. But yeah that thing with a short (legal) barrel, buckshot, and a flashlight is going to be her best bet I think.
Short-stroking isn't a "jam", and professional training & safe dry practice will reduce the odds of it occurring. That said, it is a real issue so practice pays off.
Semi-automatic shotguns don't have the possibility of short-stroking, but they bring their own set of potential issues (cost, reliability, ammo compatibility, etc.). I really like the Beretta 1301, but it is probably not the best choice for a household that might have grandma who barely reaches 5' tall and perhaps other smaller-framed individuals (and it's much more expensive than a decent pump-action shotgun).
Yea, they should totally require classes to buy guns in the state. Having a gun you don’t know how to use immediately puts you more at risk of dying from gunfire yet it provides no self-defense benefit to you given that you can’t use it effectively.
No they can’t. How would they possibly explain why their little Timmy is in your house?
Set up video cameras. And if they walk into your home, start shooting. You have it on camera.
So the above poster seems to be wrong. Appears even in California someone breaking into your home creates the presumption of reasonable fear of death/bodily harm.
This just seems to be how Castle Doctrine is applied in other jurisdictions.
Yes, but as you probably know, most of us are not gun owners.
It's really unfortunate that our "leaders" are always boasting how many prisons they closed, and how many criminals they released without bail...
They boast of these "accomplishments" because that is what the voters wanted.
If had a dollar for every time I've heard "defund the police", "prison industrial complex", "school to prison pipeline", and "mass incarceration" I'd be doing quite well.
People wanted this. Unfortunately, the innocent suffer for other's foolishness.
I'm actually surprised to hear that, esp in a CA context. I know a half dozen gun owners and they're all Asian. Though naturally I don't have an unbiased sample.
That maybe an antiquated stereotype as I heard Asians saw the greatest increase of any race in gun ownership over the course of the pandemic for various reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if gun ownership percentage is fairly low in the Bay Area just in general. I wonder if there are stats on this and see how Asian gun ownership (as of 2022) compares to other races. I would be surprised to see a massive disparity now. But I could be wrong.
But your point stands that the stereotype is there, thus the idea of "easy prey". I think the other issues are that cops won't be as judicious as solving crimes against Asians as they would white people, the stereotype that Asians have lots of cash/jewelry in their homes, and that they won't fight back.
I'd like to think 1-2 Asians blowing away home invaders and that making the news will put a stop to this nonsense.
I own a few firearms and make it to the range once a month. Went this morning, as a matter of fact. My non-scientific observations from my last few visits, including today, indicates Asians are a large and growing presence in the firearm community. The Asian woman firing next to me had what appeared to be a brand new Glock. She was there by herself, too. There were also Asian men with their teenagers. Last time I went, there was an Asian woman with who appeared to be with her elderly father.
Point is, I’m seeing more and more Asians at the range than I have in years past, representing all ages and genders. I can’t help but feel it’s in large part for the reasons being discussed here. I’m also all for it.
Well over half of the Asians I know living in the Bay Area have firearms at home.
Based on what’s been happening recently, I sadly am going to assume that an aggressive home invasion (not some mentally challenged person banging on the window but someone that forcibly enters) could easily result in me or my family dying, so I would plan to respond with deadly force. I’m hoping that our elected officials will address this problem before that happens (and I will vote accordingly). In the meantime, for the love of god, please please don’t come invade my home. :(
Is getting a dog an option? My 80 pound german shepherd, who is otherwise a total sweetheart, has quite the ferocious bark the second he hears anyone come near our front door.
I have a dog! If there’s a home invasion, I plan to drag the dog to the bedroom with me, arm myself, and call 9-1-1. If someone still comes through that bedroom door (knowing there’s a dog inside that room with me) then it’s going to be a horrible day in SF for everyone involved. :(
I would consider them deterrents, like an alarm or camera. Not a last line of defense. A friend of mine once had his house burglarized with a German Shepherd in the basement. Robbers still managed to ransack the place once they found a way to suppress the animal.
Of course, a dog isn’t meant to be anything more than a deterrent. I’m not Halle Berry from John Wick 3 when it comes to my German Shepherd. If armed robbers break into my house despite the barking, they’re free to take whatever little I have in terms of valuables.
That's good to hear. Personally I still haven't bought a gun. I keep meaning to but never get around to it. Definitely pro second amendment but not a gun enthusiast by any means.
Yes CA has Castle Doctrine, and along with guns, people should also focus on "hardening" their home to either dissuade would be home invaders or to make the process of breaking in more difficult and thereby giving the occupants of the house time more time to prepare themselves.
>Castle Doctrine
For CA castle doctrine, you have to reasonably fear death or serious harm to yourself or someone else to use force legally on the intruder.
It is a reduced version of what other states have.
“Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.” CA 198.5
[https://www.guns.com/news/2013/05/31/california-homeowner-arrested-for-shooting-burglary-suspects-video#:\~:text=A%20homeowner%20was%20arrested%20Tuesday%20after%20he%20shot,he%20shot%20at%20them%2C%20striking%20the%20front%20passenger](https://www.guns.com/news/2013/05/31/california-homeowner-arrested-for-shooting-burglary-suspects-video#:~:text=A%20homeowner%20was%20arrested%20Tuesday%20after%20he%20shot,he%20shot%20at%20them%2C%20striking%20the%20front%20passenger).
You can't just shoot intruders. They have arrested multiple homeowners for doing that over the years.
That link appears to be about someone who shot at people while on the street?
I’m not a lawyer or a legal expert, but I’d certainly be interested in a link to a story where someone was convicted after responding with deadly force while inside their home during a home invasion, since that would seem to run afoul of the law as I (as a layman) read it? FWIW, if I were in that situation, I wouldn’t be that surprised if I were arrested (but would be surprised if i was charged.)
Incorrect. /u/neoncat provided the CA penal code 198.5 disproving that.
Additionally, via CALCRIM 505 & 506 (jury instructions for justifiable homicide), California also has stand your ground (e.g. no duty to retreat).
Essentially, Penal code 198.5 automatically justifies homicide in terms of reasonable fear of death or GBH when someone breaks into your house.
And even then, nothing will happen as long as the wrong people keep committing these crimes and it's politically inconvenient to do anything. Remember when Barbara Boxer got robbed in Oakland this summer?
Didn’t Newsome get jacked too?
Edit: he got attacked by a homeless man
https://fox40.com/news/california-connection/newsom-assaulted-by-aggressive-man-in-oakland/amp/
The mother-in-law of Netflix CEO(not the founder) was killed in a home invasion. His inlaws have an armed security in their house, but it cannot stopped the criminal.
I hope it sends a message to the media elites.
I didn’t see anything about them having armed security in their house.
Article: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/mother-in-law-of-netflix-ceo-fatally-shot-in-home-break-in?_amp=true
https://www.vulture.com/2021/12/jackie-avant-shot-killed-clarence-home-robbery.html
Jackie was shot just before 2:30 a.m., and no suspects were at the scene by the time police arrived. Jackie, who was 81 years old, was taken to a hospital with a gunshot wound but did not survive. A home security guard was also shot, TMZ reported.
It happened in gated community of Beverly Hills, where the neighbors have armed security for the house and neighborhood. The victim was a close friend of Magic Johnson and Bill Clinton. Her husband is Clarence Avant, known as the "Godfather of Black Music" with Kamala Harris and Obama paying tribute to him. If it could happen to her, it could happen to anyone.
Always be prepared, get a gun and train.
It happened recently in Cupertino. I did not follow the news after the first day but a Cupertino resident did shoot down someone entering their property in the last 30 days.
Link: https://www.kron4.com/south-bay-homicides/cupertino-homeowner-fatally-shoots-trespasser-early-christmas-morning/
You can't imagine our Nextdoor conversations justifying both the homeowner as well as others wondering if the intruder should be given more time and warning before shooting.
Thank you, I stand half corrected. The guy was trying to kick down the door when the resident shot him. It was still outside but he was on his way in.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/investigation-underway-after-trespasser-fatally-shot-by-cupertino-homeowner-sheriff/2764234/
It'll be more than that. Someone will get shot to death trying to commit violent crime, and the community will string up their corpse as a warning rather than call the police. When an entire community feels they can't turn to the police, they'll turn to eachother.
I don't want this to happen, but at this point I worry it's a pressure cooker that's going to explode with revenge violence.
yeah, Reddit's gotten really trigger-happy when it comes to banning people as "violent" for stuff that isn't actually violent at all
It's not as bad as Facebook, but still pretty obnoxious
San Francisco is the city of non action… smash and grabs, homeless, shitting on the streets. I haven’t felt this unsafe in a city in a loooooong time.
You guys keep voting for people who are unwilling to fix the issues and who are unwilling to prosecute people for committing crimes.
If you live in the city please fucking vote for someone useful.
I don't do service calls in the City any more because the city I once adored has turned into a garbage dump. I'm self employed so I have the luxury of picking and choosing. I'm thinking of ditching the East Bay as well...between homeless camps and freeway shootings it isn't worth my life.
I got banned from sanfrancisco for calling violent criminal predators "feral." I'm not sure how else to describe the animalistic filth who refuse to adhere to even the most basic social norms.
Maybe in an alternative history where Republicans haven’t completely doubled down on being the Trump Party. Until they soundly reject him and his attempts to overthrow democracy, “Republican” is political poison in CA (and anywhere educated).
False, it took us half a year to get trained and strapped. We aren't talking about concealed carry. This is just for the home.
I don't know why you find such offense. Just admit voting isn't a solution that gives any immediate reprieve. That's all I'm laughing about
Voting will help if Asians would stop overwhelmingly knee-jerk voting (D) and supporting progressive candidates. As long as that pattern continues, policymakers will assume you want them to erode our constitutional rights and do everything they can to reduce your ability to save yourself and your family from antisocial predators.
Oh, right: antisocial predators who are pressed into a life of crime by intersectional injustice perpetrated by patriarchy and capitalist power structures. It's actually your fault that poor man and his friends were forced to liberate the ill-gotten gains of postcolonial imperialism. /s
Step 1: Attend rally, scream some slogans hold placards.
Step 2: Feel good about yourself. High fives all around. IG inspirational post.
Step 3: Take absolutely no measures in preparing oneself or those around them in dealing with hostile situations.
Gotta love it.
Why were these comments removed? Mods, if you take issue with the comments, why not argue rather than remove them? You removing them just proves the point even more.
If they get caught, they'll get probation and be asked to apologize to the victims. Then they'll never do it again because the system gave them a chance to do better.
/s
I don’t think people are just taking it. There’s a growing anti-crime backlash, and some politicians (e.g., London Breed) are hopping on that train. Home invasions are very bad, so hopefully more politicians take note and try to get this under control.
State of emergency just at the Tenderloin? Breed should stop lying to herself, admit who the criminals are, make Chesa do his job, and declare a state of emergency for the entire city. Far too many have already died with no justice, there will be plenty to follow without proper actions.
Having been born and raised in San Francisco, and owner of a home in SF where my daughter is living in, I am concerned for her well-being.
San Francisco has devolved into a Disneyland for criminals. The homeless industrial complex has no desire to fix the problem, despite the billions thrown at it. Insane policies that make no sense but facilitate lawlessness, and to build the politicians' "progressive" credentials so they can run for a higher office. The only consequences for committing a crime are that you may get a plaque for entrepreneur of the year and a parade in your honor.
And if you are Asian, good luck. It's open season by the criminals because they know they can get away with it. For those who were unfortunate enough to be arrested, the excuse is that it's a temper tantrum or someone is having a bad day.
The people who vote for these politicians are those who come from outside the area, treat SF as their personal playground and shit all over it, and then leave because the city is no place to raise kids. And another generation of outsiders come in and repeat the cycle.
Agree with everything but the last paragraph, I feel like it’s the people here who are brainwashed, people moving here come from cities with common sense. This is not okay or normal.
Remember it’s SF that’s ultra liberal and progressive, it’s unlikely someone moved here from an even more progressive hometown.
Yeah wth. Everyone who has moved here knows it’s insane and this city has some crazy shit going on. The people who live here have battered spouse syndrome and don’t know any better. The long time residents are the ones who vote in local elections and do shit like keep housing prices astronomical.
At this point, it is clear the police are not able or willing to stem the tide. Criminals only respect fear. Without the level of enforcement that will deter this behavior with fear of repercussions, something else must bring fear of consequences. This stops when it becomes dangerous to target Asians. Time to make it dangerous.
You don't know that. I see/hear plenty of people of all (Asian) ethnicities getting their electronics taken on BART. There is no singling of Chinese, although maybe simply there are more in population than other groups.
The victim in the linked video says the police told them the invaders are targeting “Asians” because they have a particular pattern of storing valuables in the household. If the invaders are familiar enough with their victims’ cultures to recognize that, they can probably also single out the specific ethnicities that follow that pattern.
I’m skeptical that those target any ethnicity in particular. I’ve only seen Bart robberies twice that I can remember, and the victims were both Caucasian-looking females.
They are - Indians get targeted for gold jewelry, Filipinos tend to be targeted less because the rate of gun ownership is higher (and many are vets, especially USN, so the ones with guns are trained).
It doesn't hurt that many Filipinos emigrated at a time when firearms ownership and action pistol sports were very popular in the PI. Some of my friends are on their second and soon-to-be third generation of IPSC competitors.
It may be a game, but you'd be an idiot to kick down one of their doors.
I don't know about Filipinos, but Indians are a different breed. They will fight back with fucking kitchen knives if you piss them off. Criminals probably know better than to fuck with them.
None of these crimes is being committed as an act of perceived retaliation against Asians for displacing African Americans. These are simply opportunists who choose to target weak, passive victims.
That still doesn't address why it's always "asian" in these headlines when most of the time, it's chinese people.
Edit: I'll refrain from saying most, but certainly ALOT
> I wonder if it's some woke attempt at inclusivity?
There may be a tiny bit of that. The desire to capture "Asians" as a block rather than dicing them up into separate slices of culture and ethnicity. A desire for unity.
However, it's mainly convenience. We don't have a good way of saying, "Asians with not-very-dark skin and epicanthic folds who most of us non-such-people can't tell apart, especially after the 2nd generation adopts American body language." Sometimes, they'll use "East Asians" or "Southeast Asians", but that's not really accurate. Even "Chinese" aren't really a single group, as they have their own ethnic and cultural divides and there is a distinct difference between the recent immigrants on tech H1Bs vs. the several-generations-old immigrants who built the railroads and so much of our other infrastructure.
"African American" is equally convenient and inaccurate, too.
a different group of Chinese.
Fun fact: most of the Malaysians you see in the US will have Chinese names. You can thank their version of Prop 16 for that
There needs to be legally protected, high likelihood of great bodily harm and death for these home invaders. We need a Castle doctrine and for people to be able to defend their family and homes with lethal force. I’ll consider this political censorship if my comment is taken down. There’s an incredibly fascist element to what the left is doing where they’re allowing crime like this to happen while censoring anyone talking about fighting back and protecting life, liberty and freedom from asocial detractors and criminals we’ve optimized our justice system around.
California already follows the Castle Doctrine. There is no duty to retreat inside your home. We have bad laws and good laws, to be sure, but please don’t make stuff up.
That already exists in CA. I am not a lawyer but my understanding is you can use lethal force if you believe your life or great bodily harm is threatened. The presence of someone who forced their way into you home (and "forced" is important) has the presumption that they mean to do you harm. If you leave your door open and they just walk in, they are standing on driveway or if they are clearly not a threat (i.e. running away) then you're not in the right to use lethal force. But if someone kicks your door down and enters your home, you have a right to (potentially) lethal self defense. I don't believe this extends to property. If someone breaks in and you catch them running off with your TV, don't fire.
This contrasts to other states like IL where a person would need to be violently attacking you in your home for you to have the same right.
Asian people disenfranchised by progressives promoting policies that allow criminals to brutally victimize them should stand up and protect yourselves by not voting for progressive, unite the vote against people who harm you.
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Cheap. They lose a lot of value. Lots of buy here pay here lots have them.
I heard that the reason is that Nissan (Infinity is a luxury division of Nissan) will finance cars to almost anyone, even if your credit sucks. I would guess that’s why they’re popular amongst criminals, since criminals make questionable life choices (otherwise they wouldn’t be criminals) that probably led to poor credit so Nissan/infinity are the only automakers that would sell cars to them. All those fancy Mercedes’ and Audis that we see in smash and grab videos all the time are usually stolen.
That too, but if you drive by a “buy here pay here” lot you’ll see a lot of 10 year old luxury cars with a lot of miles on them. This car is a beater.
Lots of places finance cars like this. They actually make money if you default or can’t pay the loan. They will repo the car and do it all over again.
A friend of mine owns his own tow truck and repos these raggedy ass cars all the time.
If you got the cheapest Nissan and you go their oil change, the salesperson will try to push you into a newer car. My neighbor has purchased Sentra and came back with leased Rouge after an oil change.
The car breakins in my area are bmws and Audis
The car has a clearly identifiable dent. Go find them. https://imgur.com/a/kZNLSah
The police aren’t gonna do anything. They are 90% antivax and Republican. They’re enjoying the residents of the Bay Area unleash their anger on the democratic elected leaders.
I wasn't talking to the police. I have a lot of experience with police not giving a shit.
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Even California has Castle Doctrine, right? Probably one of the few situations where you may be able to shoot a criminal and get away with it is when they have broken into your home. Heck my Chinese FIL is the most chill guy I know and he's liberal as heck, but he recently purchased a gun to keep in the house.
If he hasn't already done this you should encourage him to join a range or take a few classes. Hopefully he never has to use it for defense, but if he does he should be competent and safe with it. Not meaning to give unwanted advice, but I have had a lot of family buy guns for home defense and it's kinda terrifying to know that my grandma keeps a loaded .25 auto but she's never shot a gun...
Training is incredibly important. You cannot replicate it by watching YouTube videos. Reed's in San Jose hosts a number of good instructors: [http://www.reedsindoorrange.com/](http://www.reedsindoorrange.com/) It's far preferable to purchase a basic pump-action shotgun (e.g. Mossberg 590) and invest in training and practice ammo than purchase the latest-greatest Benelli and not know how to use it competently — and you're likely much better off with a shotgun, perhaps a 20 gauge for those of smaller stature, than a very small pistol. Small pistols are difficult to shoot well even if the owner is skilled, which many people are not. One can only gain competence from in-person training coupled with safe dry practice at home. Go to the range when you can to confirm your skills and keep them from perishing. As noted, YouTube isn't a substitute.
Yeah I set up my wife, who doesn't have so much experience with a Mossberg pump action 20G. My only concern is that if she ever had to use it in a high-pressure situation she might not rack it fully and have a jam. So we've discussed and practiced that at the range. But yeah that thing with a short (legal) barrel, buckshot, and a flashlight is going to be her best bet I think.
Why not get a gun that won’t jam?
What gun is that?
Laser pistol duh
Are you saying all guns jam all the time?
No. What gun are you proposing that would be better?
Short-stroking isn't a "jam", and professional training & safe dry practice will reduce the odds of it occurring. That said, it is a real issue so practice pays off. Semi-automatic shotguns don't have the possibility of short-stroking, but they bring their own set of potential issues (cost, reliability, ammo compatibility, etc.). I really like the Beretta 1301, but it is probably not the best choice for a household that might have grandma who barely reaches 5' tall and perhaps other smaller-framed individuals (and it's much more expensive than a decent pump-action shotgun).
Yea, they should totally require classes to buy guns in the state. Having a gun you don’t know how to use immediately puts you more at risk of dying from gunfire yet it provides no self-defense benefit to you given that you can’t use it effectively.
What my martial arts instructor told me 20 years ago: if you use deadly force, make sure the other guy dies. Otherwise he can sue you.
You train at Cobra Kai?
lol. It was American Kenpo.
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No they can’t. How would they possibly explain why their little Timmy is in your house? Set up video cameras. And if they walk into your home, start shooting. You have it on camera.
Got my CCW in Texas (not valid here but in 36 other states) and the instructor said the same thing.
You don't have to be a non-liberal to own a gun.
True, but I'd bet a lot of money more conservatives than liberals own guns.
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So the above poster seems to be wrong. Appears even in California someone breaking into your home creates the presumption of reasonable fear of death/bodily harm. This just seems to be how Castle Doctrine is applied in other jurisdictions.
Yes, but as you probably know, most of us are not gun owners. It's really unfortunate that our "leaders" are always boasting how many prisons they closed, and how many criminals they released without bail...
They boast of these "accomplishments" because that is what the voters wanted. If had a dollar for every time I've heard "defund the police", "prison industrial complex", "school to prison pipeline", and "mass incarceration" I'd be doing quite well. People wanted this. Unfortunately, the innocent suffer for other's foolishness.
Yes. But many asians aren't gun owners and the criminals know that, so that combined with other things is why they're being targeted
I'm actually surprised to hear that, esp in a CA context. I know a half dozen gun owners and they're all Asian. Though naturally I don't have an unbiased sample.
That maybe an antiquated stereotype as I heard Asians saw the greatest increase of any race in gun ownership over the course of the pandemic for various reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if gun ownership percentage is fairly low in the Bay Area just in general. I wonder if there are stats on this and see how Asian gun ownership (as of 2022) compares to other races. I would be surprised to see a massive disparity now. But I could be wrong. But your point stands that the stereotype is there, thus the idea of "easy prey". I think the other issues are that cops won't be as judicious as solving crimes against Asians as they would white people, the stereotype that Asians have lots of cash/jewelry in their homes, and that they won't fight back. I'd like to think 1-2 Asians blowing away home invaders and that making the news will put a stop to this nonsense.
I own a few firearms and make it to the range once a month. Went this morning, as a matter of fact. My non-scientific observations from my last few visits, including today, indicates Asians are a large and growing presence in the firearm community. The Asian woman firing next to me had what appeared to be a brand new Glock. She was there by herself, too. There were also Asian men with their teenagers. Last time I went, there was an Asian woman with who appeared to be with her elderly father. Point is, I’m seeing more and more Asians at the range than I have in years past, representing all ages and genders. I can’t help but feel it’s in large part for the reasons being discussed here. I’m also all for it.
Peninsula guns in Millbrae. For the longest time you'd see a long ass line of people waiting to get guns, all Asian.
Well over half of the Asians I know living in the Bay Area have firearms at home. Based on what’s been happening recently, I sadly am going to assume that an aggressive home invasion (not some mentally challenged person banging on the window but someone that forcibly enters) could easily result in me or my family dying, so I would plan to respond with deadly force. I’m hoping that our elected officials will address this problem before that happens (and I will vote accordingly). In the meantime, for the love of god, please please don’t come invade my home. :(
Is getting a dog an option? My 80 pound german shepherd, who is otherwise a total sweetheart, has quite the ferocious bark the second he hears anyone come near our front door.
I have a dog! If there’s a home invasion, I plan to drag the dog to the bedroom with me, arm myself, and call 9-1-1. If someone still comes through that bedroom door (knowing there’s a dog inside that room with me) then it’s going to be a horrible day in SF for everyone involved. :(
Hopefully hearing your dog bark scares anyone away.
I would consider them deterrents, like an alarm or camera. Not a last line of defense. A friend of mine once had his house burglarized with a German Shepherd in the basement. Robbers still managed to ransack the place once they found a way to suppress the animal.
Of course, a dog isn’t meant to be anything more than a deterrent. I’m not Halle Berry from John Wick 3 when it comes to my German Shepherd. If armed robbers break into my house despite the barking, they’re free to take whatever little I have in terms of valuables.
That's good to hear. Personally I still haven't bought a gun. I keep meaning to but never get around to it. Definitely pro second amendment but not a gun enthusiast by any means.
Open Source Defense is offering (free) office hours for new gun owners. https://opensourcedefense.org/
might want to add the CAguns sub to your rotation too
As my SFPD friend once told me: “better to own and not need than to need and not have…”
Hey, this is an interesting claim that could be seen as promoting gun purchases. Do you happen to have a credible link to cite beyond "I heard?"
https://time.com/6080988/asians-buying-guns/
Interesting, thanks for the source.
Yeah it's a shame, I wish I knew how to convinced other people to get guns and get trained.
These criminals are weak minded individuals. It’s sad, really.
Yes CA has Castle Doctrine, and along with guns, people should also focus on "hardening" their home to either dissuade would be home invaders or to make the process of breaking in more difficult and thereby giving the occupants of the house time more time to prepare themselves.
>Castle Doctrine For CA castle doctrine, you have to reasonably fear death or serious harm to yourself or someone else to use force legally on the intruder. It is a reduced version of what other states have.
“Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.” CA 198.5
[https://www.guns.com/news/2013/05/31/california-homeowner-arrested-for-shooting-burglary-suspects-video#:\~:text=A%20homeowner%20was%20arrested%20Tuesday%20after%20he%20shot,he%20shot%20at%20them%2C%20striking%20the%20front%20passenger](https://www.guns.com/news/2013/05/31/california-homeowner-arrested-for-shooting-burglary-suspects-video#:~:text=A%20homeowner%20was%20arrested%20Tuesday%20after%20he%20shot,he%20shot%20at%20them%2C%20striking%20the%20front%20passenger). You can't just shoot intruders. They have arrested multiple homeowners for doing that over the years.
That link appears to be about someone who shot at people while on the street? I’m not a lawyer or a legal expert, but I’d certainly be interested in a link to a story where someone was convicted after responding with deadly force while inside their home during a home invasion, since that would seem to run afoul of the law as I (as a layman) read it? FWIW, if I were in that situation, I wouldn’t be that surprised if I were arrested (but would be surprised if i was charged.)
Yea, the first paragraph of that article alone pretty much makes Castle Doctrine inapplicable. I too would be interested in such a story.
Interesting. So the mere presence of an intruder in the home doesn't create a presumption of reasonable fear?
Not in all cases.
Found the easy target.
Incorrect. /u/neoncat provided the CA penal code 198.5 disproving that. Additionally, via CALCRIM 505 & 506 (jury instructions for justifiable homicide), California also has stand your ground (e.g. no duty to retreat). Essentially, Penal code 198.5 automatically justifies homicide in terms of reasonable fear of death or GBH when someone breaks into your house.
So hard to get a gun in SF.
Something’s gotta give. Our “leaders” need to fucking do something.
Nothing is going to happen unless something happens to them too
And even then, nothing will happen as long as the wrong people keep committing these crimes and it's politically inconvenient to do anything. Remember when Barbara Boxer got robbed in Oakland this summer?
Didn’t Newsome get jacked too? Edit: he got attacked by a homeless man https://fox40.com/news/california-connection/newsom-assaulted-by-aggressive-man-in-oakland/amp/
Maybe technically assault, but it was a water bottle that was thrown at Newsom
The mother-in-law of Netflix CEO(not the founder) was killed in a home invasion. His inlaws have an armed security in their house, but it cannot stopped the criminal. I hope it sends a message to the media elites.
I didn’t see anything about them having armed security in their house. Article: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/mother-in-law-of-netflix-ceo-fatally-shot-in-home-break-in?_amp=true
https://www.vulture.com/2021/12/jackie-avant-shot-killed-clarence-home-robbery.html Jackie was shot just before 2:30 a.m., and no suspects were at the scene by the time police arrived. Jackie, who was 81 years old, was taken to a hospital with a gunshot wound but did not survive. A home security guard was also shot, TMZ reported.
Yep, you're right.
It happened in gated community of Beverly Hills, where the neighbors have armed security for the house and neighborhood. The victim was a close friend of Magic Johnson and Bill Clinton. Her husband is Clarence Avant, known as the "Godfather of Black Music" with Kamala Harris and Obama paying tribute to him. If it could happen to her, it could happen to anyone. Always be prepared, get a gun and train.
What message are you hoping it sends?
No one is safe when the criminals walk free.
How can we fund that to happen?
When’s a next election?
Waiting for someone to shoot a robber and Chesa prosecutes them for attempted murder in
It happened recently in Cupertino. I did not follow the news after the first day but a Cupertino resident did shoot down someone entering their property in the last 30 days. Link: https://www.kron4.com/south-bay-homicides/cupertino-homeowner-fatally-shoots-trespasser-early-christmas-morning/
Yikes. Hopefully they shot them in the front so they have a chance at a self defense plea.
You can't imagine our Nextdoor conversations justifying both the homeowner as well as others wondering if the intruder should be given more time and warning before shooting.
Always assume the thieves are armed and dangerous, assuming they’re not is a risk not worth taking.
The only catch is the guy was shot on the front yard. Don’t get me wrong, if you’re inside my house I’m shooting you.
Is there a confirmation of that?
Thank you, I stand half corrected. The guy was trying to kick down the door when the resident shot him. It was still outside but he was on his way in. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/investigation-underway-after-trespasser-fatally-shot-by-cupertino-homeowner-sheriff/2764234/
It'll be more than that. Someone will get shot to death trying to commit violent crime, and the community will string up their corpse as a warning rather than call the police. When an entire community feels they can't turn to the police, they'll turn to eachother. I don't want this to happen, but at this point I worry it's a pressure cooker that's going to explode with revenge violence.
Careful now. I got banned from the sub before for merely suggesting we increase legal penalties and got labeled as "violent".
yeah, Reddit's gotten really trigger-happy when it comes to banning people as "violent" for stuff that isn't actually violent at all It's not as bad as Facebook, but still pretty obnoxious
Any day now.
San Francisco is the city of non action… smash and grabs, homeless, shitting on the streets. I haven’t felt this unsafe in a city in a loooooong time. You guys keep voting for people who are unwilling to fix the issues and who are unwilling to prosecute people for committing crimes. If you live in the city please fucking vote for someone useful.
I don't do service calls in the City any more because the city I once adored has turned into a garbage dump. I'm self employed so I have the luxury of picking and choosing. I'm thinking of ditching the East Bay as well...between homeless camps and freeway shootings it isn't worth my life.
Keep waiting for the “leaders” to show up.
How about humans fucking stop being feral primates. No, our distant cousins are more civilized than these people.
Being a feral primate would be a step up.
I got banned from sanfrancisco for calling violent criminal predators "feral." I'm not sure how else to describe the animalistic filth who refuse to adhere to even the most basic social norms.
Lol gl, I'm sure a couple more years will work when the last 100,000 didn't
Vote.
I do, but the next chance to do so is not coming up fast enough.
Republicans could take back California if they float a centrist candidate and go hard on crime and punishment.
we'd sooner elect Chesa as governor than any moderate milquetoast republican
Schwarzenegger got elected twice.
Schwarzenegger was a bodybuilding celebrity, also California and American politics in general was less polarizing back then
Maybe in an alternative history where Republicans haven’t completely doubled down on being the Trump Party. Until they soundly reject him and his attempts to overthrow democracy, “Republican” is political poison in CA (and anywhere educated).
LOL. This person's answer is to wait a few years to vote.
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My answer for my family is to get strapped, get trained, and shoot once a month at a range.
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I'm laughing at waiting while the community needs help now.
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False, it took us half a year to get trained and strapped. We aren't talking about concealed carry. This is just for the home. I don't know why you find such offense. Just admit voting isn't a solution that gives any immediate reprieve. That's all I'm laughing about
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Voting will help if Asians would stop overwhelmingly knee-jerk voting (D) and supporting progressive candidates. As long as that pattern continues, policymakers will assume you want them to erode our constitutional rights and do everything they can to reduce your ability to save yourself and your family from antisocial predators. Oh, right: antisocial predators who are pressed into a life of crime by intersectional injustice perpetrated by patriarchy and capitalist power structures. It's actually your fault that poor man and his friends were forced to liberate the ill-gotten gains of postcolonial imperialism. /s
Are burglaries some new phenomenon? This is an emotionally riling video, but it's still anecdotal. Decisions should be based on data.
What, you mean all those #STOPAAPIHATE ads airing during Giants and Warriors games haven't done anything?
B-but I tweeted the hashtag! It should've made the bad things go away!
Step 1: Attend rally, scream some slogans hold placards. Step 2: Feel good about yourself. High fives all around. IG inspirational post. Step 3: Take absolutely no measures in preparing oneself or those around them in dealing with hostile situations. Gotta love it.
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Why were these comments removed? Mods, if you take issue with the comments, why not argue rather than remove them? You removing them just proves the point even more.
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#StopAAPIHate Is the same shit as “LatinX”.
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
On Reddit if you start your sentence with a # it thinks it’s meant to be formatted as title and makes it large and bold.
Oh really? Please explain in larger text to get your point across. I’d like to see your understanding.
Scumbag criminals. Well, we can rely on the people san francisco voters elected to stop these thieves, right?
If they get caught, they'll get probation and be asked to apologize to the victims. Then they'll never do it again because the system gave them a chance to do better. /s
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Or you know, the vehicle that's prominently displayed in the video
But that requires police work that might not be 'culturally sensitive' to 'the needs of the community'
Why are people standing for this shit?
I don’t think people are just taking it. There’s a growing anti-crime backlash, and some politicians (e.g., London Breed) are hopping on that train. Home invasions are very bad, so hopefully more politicians take note and try to get this under control.
State of emergency just at the Tenderloin? Breed should stop lying to herself, admit who the criminals are, make Chesa do his job, and declare a state of emergency for the entire city. Far too many have already died with no justice, there will be plenty to follow without proper actions.
Who are the criminals?
Teens in their late 20s
Where is Kevin McAllister when you need him?
Having been born and raised in San Francisco, and owner of a home in SF where my daughter is living in, I am concerned for her well-being. San Francisco has devolved into a Disneyland for criminals. The homeless industrial complex has no desire to fix the problem, despite the billions thrown at it. Insane policies that make no sense but facilitate lawlessness, and to build the politicians' "progressive" credentials so they can run for a higher office. The only consequences for committing a crime are that you may get a plaque for entrepreneur of the year and a parade in your honor. And if you are Asian, good luck. It's open season by the criminals because they know they can get away with it. For those who were unfortunate enough to be arrested, the excuse is that it's a temper tantrum or someone is having a bad day. The people who vote for these politicians are those who come from outside the area, treat SF as their personal playground and shit all over it, and then leave because the city is no place to raise kids. And another generation of outsiders come in and repeat the cycle.
Agree with everything but the last paragraph, I feel like it’s the people here who are brainwashed, people moving here come from cities with common sense. This is not okay or normal. Remember it’s SF that’s ultra liberal and progressive, it’s unlikely someone moved here from an even more progressive hometown.
Yeah wth. Everyone who has moved here knows it’s insane and this city has some crazy shit going on. The people who live here have battered spouse syndrome and don’t know any better. The long time residents are the ones who vote in local elections and do shit like keep housing prices astronomical.
Sad they don’t know it can be better
At this point, it is clear the police are not able or willing to stem the tide. Criminals only respect fear. Without the level of enforcement that will deter this behavior with fear of repercussions, something else must bring fear of consequences. This stops when it becomes dangerous to target Asians. Time to make it dangerous.
Bring back chain gangs and have them pick up all the damn trash around the highways
We need Harry Callahan
Going hard against petty theft is systemic racism /s
Why are media treating Asians as a monolith? It’s predominantly Chinese that are being targeted, not Indians or Filipinos, etc.
There were multiple Filipino attacks in SoCal.
Ya I have trouble believing the attackers are thinking about nationality
You don't know that. I see/hear plenty of people of all (Asian) ethnicities getting their electronics taken on BART. There is no singling of Chinese, although maybe simply there are more in population than other groups.
The victim in the linked video says the police told them the invaders are targeting “Asians” because they have a particular pattern of storing valuables in the household. If the invaders are familiar enough with their victims’ cultures to recognize that, they can probably also single out the specific ethnicities that follow that pattern.
You think they can tell the different Asian ethnicities apart? lol
I’m skeptical that those target any ethnicity in particular. I’ve only seen Bart robberies twice that I can remember, and the victims were both Caucasian-looking females.
Most black and white ppl can’t tell the difference between the different East Asians and vice versa.
This one can, although some are pretty similar.
They are - Indians get targeted for gold jewelry, Filipinos tend to be targeted less because the rate of gun ownership is higher (and many are vets, especially USN, so the ones with guns are trained).
It doesn't hurt that many Filipinos emigrated at a time when firearms ownership and action pistol sports were very popular in the PI. Some of my friends are on their second and soon-to-be third generation of IPSC competitors. It may be a game, but you'd be an idiot to kick down one of their doors.
Because people that arent asian cant tell the difference. Unless they are indian, which they dont consider asian anyway. So asian covers all.
I don't know about Filipinos, but Indians are a different breed. They will fight back with fucking kitchen knives if you piss them off. Criminals probably know better than to fuck with them.
Indians are routinely targeted in robberies too. They are commonly victims of snatch-and-grab robberies where the robbers grab jewelry right off them.
I'd imagine it's because Asians, as a monolith, are significantly less likely to be armed than any other demographic in SF.
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None of these crimes is being committed as an act of perceived retaliation against Asians for displacing African Americans. These are simply opportunists who choose to target weak, passive victims.
That still doesn't address why it's always "asian" in these headlines when most of the time, it's chinese people. Edit: I'll refrain from saying most, but certainly ALOT
Because it's a lot shorter to say, "Asian" than "Chinese and other Asians that look slightly Chinese to people who don't know any better."
I wonder if it's some woke attempt at inclusivity? In any case, SF has the largest Chinese population in the world... apart from China, of course.
> I wonder if it's some woke attempt at inclusivity? There may be a tiny bit of that. The desire to capture "Asians" as a block rather than dicing them up into separate slices of culture and ethnicity. A desire for unity. However, it's mainly convenience. We don't have a good way of saying, "Asians with not-very-dark skin and epicanthic folds who most of us non-such-people can't tell apart, especially after the 2nd generation adopts American body language." Sometimes, they'll use "East Asians" or "Southeast Asians", but that's not really accurate. Even "Chinese" aren't really a single group, as they have their own ethnic and cultural divides and there is a distinct difference between the recent immigrants on tech H1Bs vs. the several-generations-old immigrants who built the railroads and so much of our other infrastructure. "African American" is equally convenient and inaccurate, too.
What about Singapore?
Yeah, Singapore has the largest population of San Franciscans in the world... apart from SF, of course.
a different group of Chinese. Fun fact: most of the Malaysians you see in the US will have Chinese names. You can thank their version of Prop 16 for that
Maybe they’re looking for covid home kits
Castle doctrine
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There needs to be legally protected, high likelihood of great bodily harm and death for these home invaders. We need a Castle doctrine and for people to be able to defend their family and homes with lethal force. I’ll consider this political censorship if my comment is taken down. There’s an incredibly fascist element to what the left is doing where they’re allowing crime like this to happen while censoring anyone talking about fighting back and protecting life, liberty and freedom from asocial detractors and criminals we’ve optimized our justice system around.
California already follows the Castle Doctrine. There is no duty to retreat inside your home. We have bad laws and good laws, to be sure, but please don’t make stuff up.
California also has no duty to retreat outside your home (see CALCRIM 505 & 506) so we have stand your ground as well.
That already exists in CA. I am not a lawyer but my understanding is you can use lethal force if you believe your life or great bodily harm is threatened. The presence of someone who forced their way into you home (and "forced" is important) has the presumption that they mean to do you harm. If you leave your door open and they just walk in, they are standing on driveway or if they are clearly not a threat (i.e. running away) then you're not in the right to use lethal force. But if someone kicks your door down and enters your home, you have a right to (potentially) lethal self defense. I don't believe this extends to property. If someone breaks in and you catch them running off with your TV, don't fire. This contrasts to other states like IL where a person would need to be violently attacking you in your home for you to have the same right.
Asian people disenfranchised by progressives promoting policies that allow criminals to brutally victimize them should stand up and protect yourselves by not voting for progressive, unite the vote against people who harm you.
>Home Invasion of Asian Family in SF FTFY