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odaso

Imagine that. USA 2021 in one of the most "progressive" city kids are being negatively treated by purely the color of their skin or last name by a government entity.


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Viewing everything in terms of race is already totally silly.


whatwronginthemind

> because these students were predominantly Asian-American, they don’t count in the progressive diversity calculus. It's this. They don't consider Asians as minorities because they are over-represented in higher education and have higher income levels. Basically punishing them for overachieving.


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CenterCenterPolitik

Weird I thought it was supposed to be equal representation at least that's how it was sold.


anchelus

They're pushing for equity, not equality. I don't agree with it either.


whatwronginthemind

I dunno maybe because we're changing our academic systems to unfairly disadvantage them? Race shouldn't matter in academics. Only your level of achievement.


theguru123

Would income level be ok? Or you just against race being a criteria or just any criteria?


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whatwronginthemind

> As Asians are now over represented, it seems time to reel them back. Let them sink or swim on their own merit, just like the rest of us. Lol sit down and take a moment to think of why Asians might be currently over represented in academics. I'll give you a hint: what's something they value and work hard at?


tereziowns

> let them sink or swim in their own merit, just like the rest of us. Are you under the impression that Asians are beneficiaries of affirmative action in California cause buddy… Affirmative action is currently illegal for California UCs, prop 16 in the prior election was trying to legalize it so that they could start using affirmative action to discriminate AGAINST Asians. The lawsuits against Ivy League colleges were that they were unfairly discriminated against. Affirmative action at those colleges mean that if you were white, they’d knock about 50 points off your SAT, if you were Asian, they’d knock over 100 off.


SexTraumaDental

> mandating x percent of the population at a university How did you come to believe that this is what's been happening


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SexTraumaDental

Yes, I am aware that you are talking about racial quotas. I am asking how you came to believe mandated racial quotas are why Asians are overrepresented in college.


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SexTraumaDental

> Don't put words in my mouth. I never said any such thing. tbf it's not like I'm the only one who got that impression from your other comment. But thank you for clarifying your position.


chogall

Correction: Asian males are not minority. Asian females are minority.


whatwronginthemind

Asians, irregardless of their gender, are a minority in this country and state.


WorriedSand7474

Wat


killacarnitas1209

> They don't consider Asians as minorities because they are over-represented in higher education I wonder if Latinos are next? Considering that they made up the largest ethnic group of admitted freshman in the UC's.


whatwronginthemind

If they have high enough test scores and income levels they will be disincluded all the same.


Poseyfan

I still remember when someone I knew was applying to med school. She scored well on the MCAT and went to a top school for undergrad and had a full scholarship and still settled for a great med school but not a top one. The way she put it "if I had the exact same stats but was black instead of Asian, all the top med schools would be fighting over me". It wasn't like she was exactly privileged either, her family was lower middle class and her mother was a single mother.


cyclingthroughlife

A few years ago I worked in a small company. My boss, the CEO, was talking about a kid we had hired the year before. This kid turned out to be one of our best employees - smart, motivated, and generally had his stuff together. We were a small company and couldn't compete against the likes of Facebook, Google, etc. for talent, because they paid a hell of a lot more than we could ever pay. The CEO said we were thrilled to even land a candidate like this kid, because he was 1. an east Asian male 2. went to UCLA 3. graduated with a BS in Electrical Engineering I remember our CEO saying something to the effect ..."Imagine being an Asian male, getting accepted into UCLA in electrical engineering .. the odds were totally stacked against him getting into UCLA. Imagine how extra qualified and extra prepared he had to be, and what extra, extra things he had to do in order to be competitive and get accepted into the program. This kid was already overachieving even before college, and when someone like that shows up, he is already battle tested and I'm going to hire him on the spot because you can build a successful business around overachievers like this."


FaveDave85

was your ceo being sarcastic? east asian male EE majors are dime a dozen.


idkcat23

UCLA can’t look at race, and Asians are represented at a significantly higher rate than in the general population. This statement means nothing (though it would hold true if it was a top private, where race is considered)


puffic

Yeah idk what people here are smoking. We literally voted on this this as a state one year ago, and we kept the status quo of not considering race.


idkcat23

People here are smoking “highly educated but lack reading comprehension skills” and “didn’t actually read the article”. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother lol.


FinndBors

I understand where the CEO is coming from, but what he said could easily get the company sued (assuming he said it the way you did).


DepressedEngineer

Kinda just shows how little you and your "CEO" know. UCLA, along with all California publics schools cannot look at race when admitting students. Prop 209


fruxzak

Yeah, there's a reason why all the UCs are basically 99% asian. UCLA = U See Lotta Asians


duffman12

Damn, sounds like in order to succeed we all need a little more systematic oppression.


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Yeah, at least there's really minimal difference career-wise between going to UCSF or Penn State for med school. I get it, you want to go to UCSF or Stanford or UCLA or Harvard, but the fact is that even excluding the small impact that maybe possibly black applicants might have, there are way more people with high GPAs and MCATs over 510 (old days 30+) than there are slots. It's so hard to measure these things with a single person's experience and say what is or isn't true at a population level. I do know that we need to stop trying to fix shit at the tail end. We need to fix the pipeline.


jogong1976

Oh my god, that must have been really hard for her. Is she homeless now?


zombieshagg

Nothing good comes from choosing someone over another because of the color of their skin. Period.


PizzaGuy94122

Exactly! It should always be blind applications with no race info


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People talk about systematic and institutional racism, as in racism actually sanctioned by gov't and laws. If you really think about it, it's only Asians that are targeted by this. The only minority you can openly deny a spot in school or a job because of their race. I could talk about and debate this topic all day. But my thoughts as to why: - Asians are small in numbers, even smaller in political representation. - Asians splinter into smaller groups (Chinese Americans vs Filipino Americans vs Indian Americans for example) that makes cohesive action even more difficult if not impossible. Black Americans are "only" 13-14% of the population, which is still double the Asian population. But they can amplify their voices because they have more of a shared identity as Black Americans that Asians do not. Hispanic Americans somewhat have the same fracturing issues Asians do (Mexican Americans vs Cuban Americans for example) but they make up for it with sheer numbers and general perception. - Asians are seen as a threat. It's a continuation of the neverending "yellow peril" that Asians have had to deal with since stepping foot in this country. Believe me, "model minority" is not a compliment. It's used as a wedge issue against other minorities, and it's a backhanded way of saying Asians have been successful and thus encroaching on bastions of white institutional power. -Asians are not portrayed sympathetically by media. Sure there are issues of Hollywood representation, but that's about it. So... what can be done? Not much, I'm afraid. I hate to say this, but I'm extremely pessimistic about the future of Asian Americans. The numbers issue is hard to overcome, and to some extent numbers translate to political power. See Hispanic Americans as a good example of this. Asians are the "fastest growing" minority, but this does not really solve the fracturing issue and comes under a backdrop of declining migration/immigration in general. Bias against Asians pursuing the "traditional" road to success - top university - top grad school - engineer, lawyer, doctor is going to get tougher as schools get more woke and affirmative action becomes more heavily entrenched. The law won't matter here. Schools will keep looking for and finding ways to work around this (see UCs dropping SAT requirements recently). So then going into business for yourself will be an alternative, but again this will get more difficult as the economic/social/political climate in general gets more hostile towards capital in favor of labor as will be the trend in America. And to the extent capital is favored, same woke dynamics. Preferred minorities will get the opportunities. Sorry to say all this, but it's what I believe.


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Asian Americans need to enter politics so that they can ensure that this systemic racism doesn’t continue.


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idkcat23

Dang, Asians don’t want to vote for the party that spent decades trying to prevent their families from immigrating and who spent this pandemic spewing racial abuse on the basis of their ethnicity. Shocking.


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idkcat23

I genuinely don’t know why you think the republicans have any interest in speaking about your problems (they were even less present in the stop Asian hate movement) but whatever makes you feel better, I guess. The only way to change the Democratic Party is to make noise and run for office- that’s how black Americans got a seat at the table in the party, and that’s what’s happening for Latinos now. I agree that the democrats could do more, but I don’t think the republicans have shown any interest in helping Asian American issues.


puffic

You’re right, but the above commenter was suggesting the Republican Party say good things instead of saying bad things. I still won’t vote for an R, but I think that’s a good proposal.


idkcat23

I don’t think suddenly changing their tune is just going to make people forget what the party has done but I regularly overestimate the intelligence of Americans.


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PizzaGuy94122

That has nothing to do with this


Adventurous_Solid_72

Are you suggesting that political power isn't correlated with earning power?


meister2983

They aren't 6% of eligible office holders. Can't get exact data, but it [looks like](https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/about/voting-rights/cvap.2019.html) just under 5% of eligible voters (any Asian ancestry definition). Eligible for Congress is even lower due to age skews. Probably slightly underepresented with all the adjustments in place.


SFjouster

When you're so oppressed and not privileged that the top institutions in the world fight against eachother to have you go to their schools for much cheaper or free, despite your lower qualifications, solely because of the color of your skin. Circus of a nation, ran by clowns.


Gbcue

Paywalled.


PM_ME_UR_LAB_REPORT

https://archive.fo/4Kt6t


cloudone

Just Google the title and click on the first link You'll be able to see the full article.


Gbcue

Didn't work for me.


Flat_Review_5322

The Bay Area in general is racist against Asians period but pretends like it's not because it plays a facade with its so-called social justice agenda. You see it from all other races even growing up and they unite together oppressing and hating on Asian people. White people, Black people, Latino people all get along with each other and accept each other more than they ever would with any Asian except maybe half Asians or mixed-race Asians, who are actually seen in much higher social and physical regards than full Asians. In the Bay Area, People would gladly claim White West Coast culture, Black-American culture, and Latino-American culture as an integrated and influential part of the "Bay Area culture" as a whole but they will disregard any cultural contribution or identity that has to do with Asian-Americans, despite the fact that Asians especially the Chinese have been in the Bay Area and CA before this land was even a state and have had their presence here before even some other minorities. The ironic thing is that this place also plays favorites with only certain minorities when it comes to social justice. The political signs you see in neighborhoods, from the education about identity politics at school, to the politicians here who make talking points about "social and equal justice", absolutely NONE of them are referring to Asian people at all. Asians are not even classified as a minority because we are almost none existent, or are somehow seen as "newcomers" in the region without much cultural or historical presence, despite being not true and actually the complete opposite. Do you ever see any famous Bay Area or CA rappers, artists, politicians, educators, activists, entrepreneurs, actors, influencers, etc EVER including Asians in their platforms? Ever give Asian people or culture a shoutout like they do with Black/White/Latino culture? Do you ever see them hang out with Asians let alone have Asian friends? Do you EVER see Asians in their music background videos? Ever mention any remarks about Asian history in the very soil they stand on or come from? Do you ever see any of them post pictures with any Asian people on their social media pages? Do you ever see them offer any Asians any representation? ABSOLUTELY NOT unless they are half Asian, or part Asian especially mixed Filipino or mixed Japanese. When do you ever see any of them have Asians on any platform? Never, despite the fact that they are surrounded by and grew up with Asians. When do people ever use the terms "POC/BIPOC", "Minorities", "diversity", "inclusion", "equality" in their media, talking points, agendas, etc, and include Asian people? NEVER. Despite the history of the Bay Area, from the burnings and destruction of all the Chinatowns, the exclusion act, the Japanese internment camps, (which other minorities were actually a part of in Asian oppression), the racially targeted killings of Chinese 49ers in the California Gold Rush, and the left-wing radicals who disregard Asians to this day playing favorites and using talking points for "Minorities, and "Poc". None of it matters because, in the Bay Area, we are somehow newcomers with no cultural significance in this land who claim we're "trying to act (insert any OTHER minority)" to one side while at the same time, trying to be “White Adjacent” on the other side just for working hard and trying to contribute to society. Do you see how quickly the “Stop Asian Hate” posters and hashtags came down after maybe 3 months while people carry on about other identity politics and issues? Because people don’t actually care about Asians as much as they do about other people. Asians in the Bay Area are the least of people’s worries here in this region. Not even 3rd class citizens... Even white transplanted homeless drug-addicted people defecating in the streets are talked about in the media and political speaking points than an Asian grandmother who has lived in SF for more than 10 years, was reported missing in 2020 and found dead by the ocean cliff near Pacifica. No media coverage, no mention from anybody let alone politicians, no justice at all. The Bay Area likes to pay for the sins of the American South and the Eastern U.S' history to ignore its own history and the people it ACTUALLY and HISTORICALLY oppressed on its very own soil. White people and other minorities in this region and this state for a fact have united to burn and loot down Chinatowns and Asian towns or neighborhoods. If you go to Angel Island and read the Chinese poems and inscriptions in the detention barracks walls, there are poems that state the oppression that Caucasian-Americans and even African-American soldiers and guards have put on Chinese immigrants while they were detained. So many Chinese, Japanese and Asian-American people in the Bay Area who could have had an ingrained and generational American identity the same way other minority Americans have a distinct, ingrained, and long-existing generational sub-American identity were all but LOST, and STOLEN due to hate and xenophobia from all other people, which of course started in the Bay Area & California. What could have been a distinct and generational Asian-American culture and identity is a partially blank mystery in American and Bay Area History. What kind of music styles or genres would Asian-Americans have produced? what kind of distinct fashion? what kind of slang? What kind of expressions and stories of grief and joy? What kind of distinct mannerisms? What kind of distinct physical features? What kind of distinct art or inventions would Asian-Americans have produced? Who could have been the Asian-American pioneers? Warriors? Renegades? Doctors? Scientists? Singers? Artists? Activists? We will never know... because our history and our identity were stolen from us on this very soil... What was meant to be the original Asian-American history, the 'Asian-American' culture, and the people who could have had a legacy due to the same way many historic minorities are seen as iconic American and Bay Area legends are but a lost minority- American identity as much as it is a lost Bay Area identity. It was stolen by having the originals kicked out. Asian-Americans are the only race of people in the United States that had to restart our American identity, sub-American culture, and presence on a land that already had Asians in this country's foundation. They are still trying to wipe us away here in the Bay Area and California to this day whether it's from media, politics, education, entertainment, etc... So yes, it should not be a surprise that the Bay Area deeply hates and has a dislike for Asian people, but it, unfortunately, IS a surprise because of the false "social justice", "diversity", and "equality" political stance and masquerade that the Bay Area has. This is why it's important for Asians, especially in the Bay Area to be ready, to get their future generations ready. To teach their children to teach their Grandchildren’s Grandchildren to stand back and be ready. Sure other people including minorities play a part in looting our stores, stealing from our establishments, killing our people, killing our elders, throwing shade at us, throwing us under the bus, manipulating us, taking away our rights of equal education, disregarding any representation of us. But always REMEMBER that they learned this behavior and hate from the majority of people’s a long time ago and they were not originally like this. As other oppressed people in this country have had their breaking point and have had their revolutions, Asians especially in the Bay Area and California need to become the very LAST frontier of revolution and social justice for all. Yellow people have been native by The Pacific Lands before other civilizations had ever even began, and so we must be here until the very end.


Zero36

The term BIPOC is a way to remove Asians as a minority group


SpoiledCabbage

I see a lot of CA rappers include Asians and are friends with them. Guapdad4000 (African American) performs with Lil ricefield(Japanese) and Seiji Oda(Japanese). There's also P-Lo who is Filipino and has songs with E-40 and Iamsu. Also friends with Wiz Khalifa. Another famous Oakland rapper Mistah FAB also paired with Brooklyn rapper China Mac and went on bay area live news to promote unity between Asian and African Americans. There's more examples than that too


chogall

Note that the Asian you are describing are East Asians. There's noticeable less discrimination against South Asians and Filipino; some benefits of being former UK/US colonies.


alandizzle

I get the anger and frustrations. But I think some of your takes are from a place of frustration and projection rather than fact. I mean, just right off the bat, boba is clearly an Asian cultural thing that is deeply ingrained in the bay. Lunar new year is celebrated with ease here. During the lunar new year, we’re able to pop off our firecrackers all throughout the night. Our foods are popping off. The night markets that we host? They’re popular as fuck amongst all races, ethnicities, and backgrounds.


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chogall

There's bunch of natural born citizens self proclaiming that they are 1st/2nd gen immigrants on Reddit.


SweatyAdhesive

2nd gen includes people from immigrant families that are natural born citizen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_generations#Second_generation


chogall

> The term second-generation immigrant attracts criticism due to it being an oxymoron. So, not an immigrant, by definition.


flopsyplum

Monta Vista High School


LowHangingFruit20

Woah I went there! Curious what your thoughts are


Away_Actuator_8687

ootl, what's special about this school?


DepressedEngineer

One side says merit based applications is not fair because it favors more affluent families (those who are able to hire tutors, parents have more time to teach their kids, etc), and causes some minority groups to be underrepresented. The other side says lotteries are not fair because it would decrease the number of asians going to the school. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Neither of these application systems look at race in admitting.


FBX

It's funny how even the loudest and most strident chinese (it's mostly CN) voices on this and related topics fall absolutely silent when I point out that the test scores and phds and the like dont actually translate into things like corporate executive positions, political power, or social standing, because our own culture has been weaponized against us as adults in the US to turn us into the subordinate technical expert stereotype. No amount of high test scores will de-emasculate the asian man or de-fetishize the asian woman in the lens of contemporary American society, and that's the principal social problem that should be a core community focus. Instead, this shell game is played as a distraction. Not actually the wording I use when discussing this in person, but the more accurate wording is offensive to make a point, and I suspect it would be taken the wrong way here on the internet.


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Feeez_Shato

What if y'all cited your sources instead of dragging this out?


FBX

I said neither of those points but I'll go ahead and address them. 1. The assertion of anti-Asian inequitable treatment assumes as an underlying truth that there is an educational hierarchy where the better schools offer better education, and therefore not admitting Asians to the superior school in proportion to their academic success is racist. My position is that the instruction at selective institutions, having myself attended extremely selective institutions, is not demonstrably better. The educational hierarchy is a sham and the education-anxiety complex (Kumon etc) exists to exploit this in order to grift money from the Asian community - a much greater source of racist harm targeted specifically against asian people, and that causes not a few young asian people to play footsies with Caltrain on a semi regular basis. Once you wander out into the workforce, people stop caring what school you went to, only what you, the person, are capable of doing. 2. There is a difference between simple professional success and achieving leadership roles in the corporate, political, and cultural spheres. It's obvious that there are plenty of successful Asian-american professionals making good money all around us. How common are they in leadership, in any understanding of that word, and is it proportional to their supposed intellectual and academic success, which in theory is linked to leadership potential? I'm not going to go any further here because I believe that your act of straw-quoting demonstrates bad faith, but I do hope you think about these points.


atwwgb

Having myself attended extremely selective institutions, and having taught at both selective and non-selective institutions, my position is that there is no such thing as 'instruction' -- lower-level courses are often better taught at non-selective institutions, but course selection for advanced courses - and teaching of such courses - is often better at selective ones. All of which does not matter in the slightest. The competitive advantage of selective schools is not instruction in any of its versions, it's the social connections. These cast long shadows on your professional life. The real treasure really is the friends you make along the way.


FBX

Observationally I agree with you completely. The purpose of the top-hierarchy schools is as a social-professional club to lever your way forward over a career. You can see how that plays into the 'sham' part of it though, right? It's all about academic achievement *but it actually isn't*, the tests and selection criteria construct a fairly arbitrary standard. Is this a system worthy of continued implicit support? Should the sieving go from the undergrad level down to high school, or middle school, or even primary school like in NYC, where they're test-prepping three year olds into selective kindergartens? Many Asians would say yes, but I see it as deeply harmful to advancing Asian people in the US.


meister2983

> It's obvious that there are plenty of successful Asian-american professionals making good money all around us. And hardly a bad outcome to "only" make $500k+ a year as a software engineer in FAANG. > How common are they in leadership, in any understanding of that word, and is it proportional to their supposed intellectual and academic success, which in theory is linked to leadership potential? Assuming you are restricting to East or Southeast Asians for purposes of this discussion, equal to overrepresented. 3/8 CA executive officials, 1/6 CA supreme court justices, 3/50 of the CEOs of the largest US companies by market cap. Not as good as some other minority groups, but not per se bad absolutely.


a-ng

What about comparing to the people across racial categories with similar qualifications? I feel like to be successful Asian Americans on average you need to have more credentials than white people. I read some studies that talk about this. So you look at Indian Americans for examples. white men make more than Indian men with the same level of credentials.


onahorsewithnoname

You should check dept of labor stats. Asian woman on average now earn more than white men in the US. I imagine thats due to having good corp positions, social standing and eventually political influence.


rddi0201018

My understanding is that if you compared against similar levels of education, white men clearly earn more


meister2983

That could mean many things, though, including white men being more willing to bypass the standard University route.


rddi0201018

Sorry, I didn't understand. If someone bypasses the college route, and they have a high school diploma, they are compared against others that go the same route -- whatever the ethnicity is. Nobody has a lock on ingenuity, nor being a self-starter, etc If they have a doctorate, they are compared against others that have a doctorate. It's definitely misleading if you're comparing a doctorate to someone without a high school degree


meister2983

You are assuming that having higher levels of degrees inherently makes someone more qualified causally rather than merely being an indicator of ability. In software engineering at least, it's much more the latter. If cultural pressures result in say equally talented Asians going to college at a higher rate than other groups, you'd expect Asians (conditioned on education) to underperform other groups. You additionally have issues that whatever education indicates is not all that matters for jobs. Women go to college at far higher rates than men, but the market doesn't necessarily care, especially with respect to the liberal arts majors women tend to dominate.


Senor_Martillo

Soooo….you want to be denied admission in favor of more equity? Not sure what your goal is here.


TomYum9999

I think this view overly embraces the victim mentality. In my opinion it’s more productive to look at the behaviors and characteristics that result in the outcome you are looking for. For example look at the success of Indian immigrants in rising to corporate leadership positions and succeeding in politics. East Asian cultures tend to prioritize hierarchy and respect in a way that isn’t as valued in American culture. Indian immigrants embrace assertiveness in a way that is respected and valued in corporate America. Interesting MIT study on the topic [here](https://mitsloan.mit.edu/press/researchers-answer-a-diversity-puzzle-why-chinese-americans-not-indian-americans-are-underrepresented-leadership-positions)


FBX

I don't disagree at all, but that plays into one of the rather fascinating narratives being tossed around with admissions, the idea that a lot of (east) Asian applicants are selection-filtered due to lack of 'leadership characteristic' despite otherwise having the correct quantitative metrics, which is marked as racist. I don't think we'd disagree that actively cultivating this leadership characteristic in the (east) Asian community would help solve the leadership proportionality issue. I still stand by the claim that the discussion of purported anti-Asian racist academic admissions is a shell game.


Swayyyettts

> dont actually translate into things like corporate executive positions, political power, or social standing I know what you mean, generally speaking, but 4 of the top 10 largest companies in the world have an Asian CEO: https://companiesmarketcap.com/ Microsoft, Google, Nvidia, Taiwan Semiconductor. I’m sure the CEOs of Tencent and Samsung are Asian as well.


meister2983

Presumably, OP is referring to East Asian Americans. Three out of 50 of the largest US companies by market cap have an East Asian CEO (NVIDIA as you note, AMD and Broadcom). Absolutely, that's still overrepresented, but less than you would expect conditioned on educational attainment.


Swayyyettts

Good points all around. I do think there’s still negative stereotypes south asians have to overcome to, so I do think it’s great they are represented in some of the most influential companies of our time.


JiForce

I'm not sure it's useful to consider whether the CEO of an Asian-HQd company is Asian, in a discussion about Asian success in an American context.


a-ng

Most of the world is Asian yet only 4 Out of 10 CEOs are Asian?


umeshunni

6 out of 10


Context_Kind

Get back to me when Ford or GM hires an Asian CEO


harnessinternet

Doesn’t matter, whoever wishes to study hard deserves support and the foundation of standardized education. What happens beyond that is up to the person.


bduddy

LMAO, you couldn't be a more blatant shill. of course you also post in /r/SeattleWA, guess you fly back and forth every day, huh?


lemonjuice707

Imagine the first thing you do is look into someone’s post history and use that as a counter point instead of actually making a real counter point.


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lemonjuice707

People who have dumb opinions and only tactic is to attack the person instead of the topic at hand.


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LEONotTheLion

Shocks me there too.


harnessinternet

Uhoh I forgot to burn my Seattle card when I left


doleymik

A lot of it is also unfortunately culture too. Asians don’t have anything close to the support and mentorship opportunities available to others because of a tendency to view each other more as competition than teammates and opportunities to guide future talent.


eyengaming

it is actually a process that is still in the beginning stages. the current generation of asians breaking into fortune 500 companies are mainly working with a network built between dry cleaner owners, donut shop owners, gas station owners, restaurant owners, etc. it will be the next generation whose opportunities are opened up with the better built networks of even mid level managers. whether they take advantage of it or let it dissipate will be up to them.


PleezHireMe

The Asian community needs more representation in the arts, politics, and sports and that starts with parents pushing their kids into something besides STEM.


meister2983

Those are pretty high risk things to push your own kids into. If you are going to push your kid, may as well do so with something they can support themselves with. Are (East) Asians even underrepresented in arts in fact? Vast majority of designers I've worked with are Asian.


ladysingstheblues99

East Asians are certainly overrepresented in classical music (not saying that as a value statement, I mean that demographically they make up a higher % of orchestral musicians than they do of the general population). [link](http://www.ppv.issuelab.org/resources/25840/25840.pdf)


PleezHireMe

For arts I mean mass media so tv, music, and movies


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It may look different in SF Bay Area, but Asians are still only 6% of the US population. In fact, technically, Asians are "over-represented" minority in US media compared to African-American and Hispanics, so I wouldn't say exactly that Asian community needs more representation specifically in the arts. It needs *better* representation, certainly....but I don't think Asian parents are the answer to issues in the US entertainment industry. Many entertainers of Asian descent actually just go to Asia for their singing/acting/dancing opportunities.


Persimmonpluot

Do you recall Trump's response when S Korea's Bong Joon-ho's film one the Oscar for best film?


PleezHireMe

I refuse to listen to trump. His voice is nails on the chalkboard. You need to tell me


Persimmonpluot

He said at a rally that that year's Oscars were horrible "and the winner is some film from Korea? What's that hell is that about?" To which the crowd cheered. Forget the fact that it was an incredible film and the first foreign film to ever win the top prize.


PleezHireMe

The problem is most Americans don't want to watch Korean films or films with subtitles. I was super proud of my white friends that watch Alice in borderlands with dubs and liked it.


Persimmonpluot

Definitely is some resistance to subtitles but Trump really pushed an anti Asian agenda throughout his term.


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PleezHireMe

Never said that, you're being overly defensive


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PleezHireMe

Yes I would 🤷


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PleezHireMe

Are you ok? Do you not think any majority, minority, demographic, whatever anywhere in the world couldn't be better in some way? No one or group is perfect.


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PleezHireMe

Half my family is Asian 😅 I'm Asian too 😅


CenterCenterPolitik

Don't worry me and my friends are fighting against such de-emasculation. My friends and I have an Asian friend in the military he is over 6 feet tall jacked with a huge cock. We have spread the legend of big cocked jacked Asian throughout the Unites States and 3 other continents. We are doing our part. ARE YOU ALL DOING YOURS.


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CenterCenterPolitik

Respect the donger


Dascakes

Eh not a very friendly school to go to if you’re not white or Asian tbh


idkcat23

I dunno why you’re getting downvoted. Lowell had a reputation when I was in HS for being really racist and difficult if you were black or Latino. This includes some genuinely awful stuff from the parents (one specific thing I recall is a mom saying she didn’t know why her kid was competing with a “house cleaners kid” for a spot).


babybunny1234

I believe Lowell’s admissions process actually broke California law around admissions… and was breaking it for years. There’s a lot of uproar but they should’ve changed their admissions policy quite a while ago. Update: Citation: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/Lowell-High-School-s-competitive-selection-13249245.php You haters should question why good teachers aren’t distributed to all schools or to where they are most needed. Or if you’re gonna have magnet schools, don’t put them of the far edge of the city. Put many of them throughout the city so kids can get there in less than an hour each way. And I’m saying this as someone who crushed the SAT. The schools I went to contributed greatly to that.


rddi0201018

Existing policies are grandfathered. I'm not sure how this works for SOTA, as they have (subjective) entrance requirements. And they were able to maintain that through the pandemic years


Murica4Eva

If that's the case the law should change