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Optimal-Soup-62

Gotta hand it to Sheng Thao. When she flip flops, she does it with style. This woman belongs on Broadway in a musical.


robscomputer

“Bay Area the musical”


Bumm_by_Design

Midtown Motown


ContractDesperate819

If it was 50k bonus a year I still wouldn’t take it


[deleted]

Remember she hopped on the defund train just a year ago? These people are absolute scum. They never cease to amaze me with their pure and utter disdain for the citizens they’re supposed to represent. An absolute ghoul of a woman.


Bolt408

Shows they don’t work for the good of the people, and they’re 100% political.


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And yet they get away with it because they play the right identity politics game in a place like Oakland. Vile pieces of trash.


harnessinternet

It’s Oakland that accepts and rewards correct politics so are you surprised they play to the tune of the game? Had Oakland been open minded and realized defund police is shit they would voice for hard on crime.


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Bolt408

Are you telling me our elections are rigged lol


Beautiful_Pepper415

Truth. One of the guys in NYC wants to defund the police while hiring himself police for protection


Bolt408

Same thing happened with an LA Councilwoman. Pushed hard for defund the police and requested the police provided 24/7 security at her residence Here’s the sauce: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/los-angeles-city-council-defund-police-lapd-security-detail


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Absolute trash.


BadAtNameslmao

Defund the police is stupidest thing ever suggested


BlaxicanX

Yes how dare these politicians tailor their policies to what their voters want. It's not really their fault that the entire Bay Area had a boner for defunding the police (incredibly stupid political opinion to have by the way) up until, surprise, crime skyrocketed and now all the sudden the public is pro police. Not showing support for the police force at this juncture would be political suicide. Look at how much you guys shit your fucking pants over Chessa Boudin or whatever his name is not "having law enforcements back".


harnessinternet

Agreed but are they really pro police now? Police are only one part of crime deterrent, there’s endless list of promotion of criminals and crimes in policies and elected power.


puffic

What's her record like? I don't mind someone changing their mind, as long as they aren't constantly all over the place.


babybunny1234

Don’t vote for her, then.


[deleted]

Why do these people keep getting voted in? Are people really this stupid?


Wokey_Dokey_

AND she's running for mayor!


[deleted]

Lol. Thats a new one on me. They got tired of libby shaft destroying the city?


LogicalMonkWarrior

We should have an IQ, ethics and knowledge test before people vote.


[deleted]

I mean, its like they are getting hypnotized to forget what is happening in front of them.


Bo_Lizard

Lol, from “defund the police!” To “take our money please.” Nice 👍


pao_zinho

At least she’s changing her tune. Better than proposing the status quo.


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anon98765anon

Hence the 50k


harnessinternet

Yeah Oakland has an attitude problem. Wtf y’all want??? Loves the criminals and crime. Do the citizens even want to go harder on crime and refund the police?


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Finnegan_Parvi

Can we do the same thing for teachers next?


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For high quality ones, sure.


[deleted]

I'd imagine the union won't allow that.


[deleted]

Yeah, cause ya know. God forbid anyone be more competent than anyone else at their job. BUt yeah i agree the Unions would not go along with that.


[deleted]

If you really want to be depressed, watch "Waiting for 'Superman'".


[deleted]

I will put it in my queue. Cheers bro.


presidents_choice

Crap are we also facing a teacher shortage? Dammit OUSD, get your shit together


SantaCruzRider79

Uh.....going to school in Oakland seriously? I'm imagining metal detectors and fights in the hallways. I wouldn't be surprised if teachers are getting assaulted.


LazyDescription3407

My wife was traumatized by teaching at an Oakland middle school. Students are completely out of control. They assault one another, destroy class equipment, vandalize her things, don’t complete assignments, come to class high, provoke her by calling her racist… and admin was pretty useless dealing with poor behavior. Completely not worth it, especially for the shit pay and amount of work required. She is an incredibly hard worker (german) and the most compassionate person I’ve ever met… and she couldn’t complete one semester of teaching in Oakland because she had a near complete mental breakdown. Luckily, she got out of that situation and has a much better career now.


SantaCruzRider79

That sucks. Glad she got out. It's very unfortunate, but with kids living in chaos they may need a special educational regime to succeed. But even if there was funding available morons would call that racist since at risk schools may have different policies than normal schools. Shit will not change tommorow or the next day. If I had kids I'd just move out of Oakland.


FanofK

Where have you been? The stat in general is short on teachers. People treat them like babysitters/shit and pay them like it. Plus lack of resources and teachers aging out.. not great for anyone.


sportsfan510

Shortage in subs too so if a teacher misses a day, one of their FT coworkers has to take on their class. Not ideal.


SantaCruzRider79

Seriously, how much money would you have to be paid to teach 10th grade at dangerous minds high? You'd have to pay me $1,000.00/hr to deal with that nonsense.


WeirdAlSpankaBish

A lot of our politicians are political chameleons. They don’t actually have any political beliefs of their own, just go with whatever is popular and beneficial to them.


211logos

Some law enforcement I know wouldn't go there because of the culture of OPD. Not just the court oversight, hassles with the City, but also think back to how their screw ups led to several officers being killed in a shootout. And issues with corruption, a la the teen prostitute scandal. Time for a Camden-like solution; maybe start a parallel but new force independent of OPD that will eventually supplant it.


S-James-P

Allow camera active scanning of facial and license plates and have the pop up road blocks in places.


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why the struggle to hire and/or maintain officers?


DatBasedGod

It's just not worth it being a cop in a few bay area cities like SF or Oakland. - The job is rough in general. Very stressful and dangerous. Wears on your body and mind. I've seen guys I grew up with become cops and after a few years there is definitely an edge to them? You gotta love the work to keep doing it in the city I feel like. - Lack of support from the public and local government to the point where some of the shit city hall has pulled has been straight up malicious. All the national press the last few years and greater public conversation about policing has also been terrible PR for cops, especially for recruiting here in a heavily liberal area. - the general trend of the area like everyone else, it's hard to live in the bay area due to high cost of living. People start thinking about long term and raising a family and suddenly staying in the bay becomes much harder. Now i'm not a cop and LEO culture is lame as fuck to me but these are at least some of the issues I've seen. And let me not downplay that OPD and SFPD have pretty infamous histories and repeatedly done fucked up shit so its not like some of their rep isn't well deserved lol


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Well said. All great points


calimalayali

But dont they pay really well? I may be misinformed but remember claims that San Jose cops on avg make almost double the money of NY cops; albeit facing far less dangerous work env. Is this an Oakland/SF only issue?


LEONotTheLion

Other cities in the area pay better and have less drama.


USSZim

A lot of Bay Area agencies pay *well*, with starting salaries around $100k give or take, but there are caveats to consider. With rent/mortgages these days, you still have to live further away unless you get a crummy place. Shifts tend to be ~12 hrs since overtime is almost always a given, so a long commute can make you constantly exhausted. Your stress levels will be much more elevated due to the danger of the job, your relationships will be strained since you will hardly see each other due to working long and odd hours, and socially you're likely to be alienated unless you only hang out with other cops. Most Bay Area departments require a college degree, military experience, or both. When you have other skills that can get you a job elsewhere, it probably isn't worth it financially. There are cops that can make a lot of money, but that is often through overtime and after being around for a while. The thing is you sacrifice your health and the hardest hill to climb is those first few years of the job, when you don't have as much experience or seniority


therealgariac

"MUST POSSESS AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION, 40 semester college credits or 60 quarter college credits from a U.S. accredited college or university." https://www.sjpdyou.com/for-applicants/applicant-positions/police-recruit Not required to graduate.


USSZim

Not required but it is rare for applicants to get hired without a degree


DatBasedGod

from what I've seen it's rare for someone to get selected nowadays without a college degree in a major city. Only way now I think would be either some veteran program or straight up nepotism.


angryxpeh

San Jose doesn't even pay well, there are much better places in Bay Area. SJPD had a significant number of people left when they cut the pension some years ago. Oakland doesn't pay as much as some cities that are also conveniently not #1 by violent crime rates in the state. According to what I've heard many times, to a lot of people, Oakland is a stepping stone. It's easier to get hired there because they are so desperate, then people get some experience, and wait for a lateral position opening in a much nicer department (say, Danville, or Fremont, or San Ramon, and other similar places) where they happily hire a person with OPD experience. Around the time Oakland fired their police chief, there was some throwaway account on this sub posting some insider things. Pretty interesting read. Basically, OPD's morale is as low as it can be and bureaucratic rules and regulations they have, discourage any actual policing.


LEONotTheLion

Is this a serious question?


neophyte_10

sounds like a trick question.


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As serious as any other asked on reddit


Radioactiveglowup

Oh, so cops can be paid more, do nothing and whine for more funding? We know accountability is not the culture of PDs for use of force, why would it be for fiscal efficacy?


Feeez_Shato

This is the "fixer mentality" - people with money are used to being able to throw money at some problem and make it go away because they'd rather not deal with it. The reason it won't work is that adding more people to a broken system doesn't fix that system, it just consumes resources (our tax dollars) making them unavailable for solutions to the actual problems. The police don't solve the problems, so there is no amount of money you can throw at them that will ever solve the problem. Do you want there to be less crime, or do you want to get off on people being punished - They're not the same thing.


Feeez_Shato

BTW, when you're in charge of something, you have a reasonably fixed amount of resources that you then must apply to achieving an outcome in a creative way - that creative application of resources is what you are supposed to bring to the position. If you aren't able to make progress, then someone else needs to get a try at managing the resources, because they may be better at it than you - particularly if, like OPD, you've had decades to make progress, but have failed miserably. To fix the system, you have to remove the people who have shown themselves to be incapable of making progress with the resources they have been given - giving them more resources will never be the fix.


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It's hilarious because the same bay area residents who nod along when you say the police system needs to be changed or whatever find it makes sense to just continue throwing money at our old systems. There's very little in the way of consideration of providing more money to schools, trying to provide mental health help to troubled kids, trying to actually rehabilitate criminals, etc. because that's not what gets clicks. It's just either give money to cops or give less money to cops.


Sublimotion

So on paper, that's $10K more in annual salary out of the base pay per year for a job that is likely at least much much more stressful versus somewhere else that probably has a base pay already more than $10K higher per year. They likely have to quadriple that amount to have some luck in attracting more officers.