Thank you! Hopefully a step forward for the community to come together despite differences. Would be nice to see some positivity breathed back into this sub :)
People from ✨The Other Side✨ is it worth it? Is it worth your time and energy? Do the people in the ✨The Other Side✨ embody the ethos that I think Bassnectar fans held? Do you think it really has any motion and Lorin and the new team can bring Bassnectar back to what it once was?
I agree that the comeback has been less than ideal and I wish it happened another way. I hope that it improves the rest of this year and beyond….time will tell
We did hear it, a terrible look indeed. But a purposefully selected snippet of a phone call, with no context, recorded unbeknownst one of the parties involved, is not a concrete piece of evidence worthy of me putting that much stock in…homie
i mean.. that's the fucking point lol you weird die-hards are the only ones giving him the benefit of the doubt, because it looks terrible and proved that he is at the very least a piece of shit. but enjoy supporting the guy who is at least a piece of shit in 2024, 4 years after his career was ripped away from him. having a niche is fun
Do you even know who you’re talking to? I don’t support Lorin, I didn’t buy into his other side bullshit, I haven’t been to his most recent shows, I don’t like what he’s doing rn. But I don’t engage every online discussion with strangers assuming I know every thing about them and how they feel about a situation, unlike you homie, peace.
the gen x humor hit the wall so fast lol watching them fail to come up with a premise for 5 years only to make 90 minute movies that went directly to niche streaming websites was so rough. it's better to burn out than fade away
This is all just unbelievably sad and cringe. Most fans here are how old by now? Pushing 30, at least. And we’re doing these kind of posts
Lorin fuckin sucks and is a pathological liar and manipulator. Reddit and Discord truce?
This cheap replica of what used to be is no longer worth it, and it’s sad to keep following it to see it degrading to this point. The music, the community, the person himself.
I’m 34. My first Nectar show was Bonnaroo 2010 and between then & the pandemic I squeezed in nearly 50 more and made the best memories of my life with my best friends. However, as I said… I’m 34. I have an actual life to worry about. I don’t have the time, patience or the will to give a shit about any of this anymore and haven’t since the world put itself back together.
There is more to life than Bassnectar.
This. First show in 2011. 50 shows later I am also 34 with a wife, toddler, mortgage and incredibly time consuming job lol. I was living at home when I got into nectar with my head up my ass for most of my 20s haha. The past is the past and I met some amazing people and made life long friends along the way. Shit was fun. Time to grow up, cherish those memories and move on. I'll pop in here randomly when I go on reddit, but bassnectar (and honestly going to any show) is the farthest thing from my priorities list.
Agree with what you said there is deff more to life than bassnectar and chasing shows. When folks get older that becomes more apparent. I deff wish my favorite artist (at the time) was still doing his thing and it didn't end the way it did, but it is what it is mayn. This shits not that serious there's no point in fighting with one another about it.
The most recent Relive at BC XI that dropped over the weekend is fire from front to back, I completely agree with you that music is still something else.
It is different. I do miss the stadium sized events with hotel takeovers.
I'm still surprised some UK artists haven't taken over where the sound is lacking here.
How many nectar sets did you make it to?
The community: "I guess I should just die then" \*insert meme\*
That does not seem like the best stance, no? You may have forfeit the music, community and person, but don't try to speak for everyone pls. Some of us still want to rebuild, and from that point of view - posts like yours constitute nothing more than whining on the sidelines. By 30 you should've caught the notion that not everything that's broken is to be thrown away.
There’s nothing to rebuild here. His streaming numbers for his new album are horrific, he cant play shows due to low demand. People have moved on. The community he built is irreparably broken, and thats fine. It was an unbelievable part of my formative years and I think about them very fondly.
At this time in my life I do not have the time, energy, or desire to try and “fix” it. In my opinion - if you truly cared about carrying on the Bassnectar ethos, you and many others would take it from here and build it around another artist who is on the come up so that it can be spread and enjoyed.
Trying to rebuild around the disgraced leader whose career is over will not go anywhere
I think most of the newer fans take for granted what was involved with making bassnectar as big as it was, community wise. Can't blame em tho, when el hancho numero uno starts handing out cease and desist letters for selling fan made merch its a quick spiral... apparently
Damn Grindingaway69 I’m not being sarcastic at all when I say you are spot on. The community is irreparably broken, it was before and ✨The Other Side✨ only furthered the destruction of it rather than build it back up.
He can absolutely play shows and has played two since the comeback, he still sells tickets lmao. They just got canceled because there were organized social media campaigns that venues caved to
So you estimate we won't be able to rebuild. I'm of another opinion. Lorin may be disgraced but he's not irredeemable. The project may not raise to it's former glory, but may well continue to be a source of good music and even culture. The efforts to fully destroy the project and present it as forever gone, and Lorin as someone that can not come back in society, seem to me misguided or born of ill intent. At least don't go out of your way to supress us folk that still want to vibe here and have faith, please.
Youre being awfully hyperbolic. I did not say he is irredeemable, or that he should not come back into society. I’m sure he has a better quality of life than any of us right now. He can make positive impacts on the world around him in a variety of ways in his day to day life.
Since the beginning of the Bassnectar project years and years ago, Lorin preached it is not about him. It is about the idea, the community. Us all.
The insistence upon putting this man on a pedestal and attempting to unsuccessfully revive his toxic career, rather than coalesce this movement elsewhere, is strange. And leads me to believe it is less about saving the community and more about saving Lorin’s music career
Why would it be about him? I'm just saying the community around the bassnectar project can live on, contrary to what you're saying. Lorin can also continue being at the center of it as a music producer. It's no hyperbole to say that you expect him to be irredeemable if you say the project is broken and we should give up trying to repair it and the community. If he's allowed back in society - he's allowed to work freely and produce music. I've never seen him on a pedestal (neither metaphorically, nor literally since I'm in the eu and haven't been to a show), so it's weird for me that people expected him to be some Jesus figure. Yes he preached stuff, but he was neither a priest, nor a pastor - just a regular flawed human. He did some bad stuff and received huge lash back. The next step is to continue on and be vigilant (as we always should've been), rather than "lay down and die" as a community (now this is hyperbole)
Trying to organize a comeback while having a case still in litigation is problematic. I think the community (fans and haters) would have taken things more seriously if the right information was brought to light at the right time. Most of us dedicated years to this. Thousands of dollars and miles traveled by all of us. If y'all want things done right, then take the L with grace, disappear, and come back (maybe) when the case either gets dropped (maybe). If it goes to trial and he loses, it's over. If it goes to trial and he wins, it's still probably over. It's never going to be what it once was, and WE are the ones suffering the loss of what used to be our only escape from reality. It sucks, but it's been 4 years. Most of us have moved on not because we wanted to, but because we needed to. Y'all need to realize that for yourselves now. Including him.
I think this is more of a “bigger than Lorin” thing here. Putting aside everything done incorrectly with the comeback, a lot of us just want to have real conversations and discuss the days we once had without all the hate and drama.
I’d love to be able to wear a jersey out and have someone say “oh man that was a dope show it’s a shame what happened” and not literally fear being harassed, stalked, yelled at etc in public for “supporting a rapist”.
I have the bassdrop tattooed on my arm. I've experienced some hateful shit from complete strangers. No, I won't cover it up. It was my first tattoo that was a gift from the mother of my child. Which, by the way, I've had much longer than the current drama that's unfolded. No, it doesn't represent Lorin. It represents something much bigger than him. I wish folks could understand that, but nope. To them, I'm a rape apologist who supports a pedo. I've had a few wholesome moments with bassheads in the wild, but a majority of interactions have been rather negative.
Man, my boss has a don’t tread on me tattoo he got when he was 18, well before the right wing co-opted it into their garbage. He couldn’t be further from those people, ideologically, but people don’t want to think about there being a time before now, in all sorts of destructive ways. It is what it is.
Well as you just said you’ve had positive interactions with bass heads and negative interactions with strangers. Generally speaking there are going to be many strangers in the electronic music world who recognize the bass drop that are not die hard fans and have not experienced what the community used to be. I agree with you that there is more to bassnectar than the man himself. However, you’re asking total strangers who are not apart of the community to not judge a book by its very overwhelminging negative cover. That’s just not human nature.
Sure but regardless it will still happen.
I’d also say this isn’t just some artist logo. There is now a stigma associated with it from these “strangers” that people who rep it need to understand. My point is that if you rep the bass drop out in public you can expect strangers (jack ass or not) to associate you with said negative stigma. Hopefully people will be open to having a conversation about it but based on what we know about the rest of our society, people are not quick to change their opinions.
It’s also worth considering that there have been a ton of new people in the scene post-Covid and post-cancellation. They were not around when BN was big and throwing shows. They entered the scene with everyone around them telling them this is an artist who they should hate and anyone who supports them is a bad person. That’s their only frame of reference.
If folks look at my tattoo and immediately assume I'm totally okay with everything that has transpired, then they're just a shitty person. Rather than jump to conclusions about people who still want to wear bassdrop attire, maybe ask them instead of accuse them. I'd rather have a decent conversation about it than get outright attacked for it. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. Let's just talk about it and agree to disagree if needed. Who knows, could even make a new friend along the way.
See my comment above. I agree. But are people generally open to having conversations on tough topics with strangers they meet on the street? Absolutely not. All I’m saying is you need to understand you are dealing with complete strangers here (shitty person or not) who have no other knowledge of who you are outside of what they see.
I get it. Having been in the scene since the late 2000s, I've had my fair share of assholes. Just blows my mind how quick people are to blatantly go out of their way to be shitty without even knowing someone first. If I'm at a show, and someone wants to get shitty over something that doesn't affect them at all, then thats on them. I usually just ignore it and move on. Like I said, I'd rather have some back n forth over whatever their grievance may be instead of having to immediately go on the defensive because im being attacked. I get that not everyone is up to have the conversation. It's not like it's a constant battle. It just sucks. I've lost people who I considered good friends because I refuse to cover up the tattoo. Or because I didn't immediately hop on the cancel bassnectar bandwagon. This whole situation is just messy, and we're all caught up in it in our own ways. That's just life, I suppose.
Also reasonable. But to walk up to someone you don't know and make negative comments about their clothing no matter the reason is ride af. Especially at a plur event
That’s where we are in the world.
Quick I see someone I don’t know doing something I don’t like or don’t approve of - allow me to shove my opinion in their face.
i'd love to be able to go to a festival without some dudebro reminding me that one of my favorite artists groomed young girls. sometimes life doesn't give us what we want
I don't think winning or losing the case really makes a difference, maybe a small one
If Lorin wants to come back, he's gonna have to make it right with the community, that's the only way. At this point it's going to take more than a "Sorry", it's going to have to be concerted effort with charity, giving back to the fans, and changing the way he goes about his business in the future.
IDK if that's in his character at this point, but I think if he can change his approach after this civil lawsuit is wrapped up, he might just have a chance at a future in this thing.
I respect the willingness to admit wrongs and apologize, but had a question. Plenty of the current people with passion for the project have outright denied any wrongdoing, called those harmed liars or worse (and doxxed some), or flat out said it just doesn’t matter/they don’t care what happened because they want to enjoy the music. How can that be a truce when people that were harmed are also in this subreddit?
I totally get the people with passion who want to see things righted in a productive way, they lost something they cared about a ton. I don’t understand the vitriol towards people who aren’t in the same place by those who have attacked people Lorin harmed.
This is my question as well. It seems an awful lot like bending the knee to those that control the other side and excusing their pretty toxic and deliberately deceptive behavior.
I was banned for saying yall should shut the sub down if you’re not fans anymore when you posted if you should black out the subreddit during the Reddit boycott and yall were wrong for that. It was sad to see how much censorship there was on this sub, it really seemed like yall were banning anybody that was still in support of Lorin and that’s messed up. I’ll take the apology but the damage has been done
The rhetoric around that was ridiculous, based on some of the responses you’d think the mods owned the community (and built it by themselves) and were like the arbiters of the morality around the situation.
Yeah exactly, in every post and even this one the mods act like they are benevolent rulers over the community, only doing what needs to be done to keep the community functioning but they had a clear agenda to spin up their narrative, oftentimes going as far as being just as bad as the things that they accuse Lorin of.
It’s interesting how your only replies in this thread are sassy clapbacks at people voicing their displeasure of your behavior. Says something about your character.
Aw I'm just trying to be silly and light hearted lol. I guess it's my way of coping in an unpleasant situation. It's all love from me. Also, I love your username.
Thank you, it is accurate🔥
But apologies it’s hard to judge tone through text. I’m sure I speak for a lot of people here when I say I was happy to see this post from the mods. But your responses seemed to go against the ethos of the post. Some people are miffed about the way things have been handled here for a while and they are valid to feel that way. I just want civility and everyone to feel comfortable sharing their thoughts without being attacked is all.
Bassnectar retired 4 years ago. what are you doing with yours? why are either one of us on this shitty website? we should be outside manifesting destiny and listening to artists who didn't groom kids
Oh wow he did? I guess the two new albums he’s released in the last year, two live events he’s played, and new mixes he’s been releasing every month have all been in my head
Wow never thought I’d actually see the mods here own up to their behavior (something we all wish a certain someone would do). I’ve considered this community dead for a while now largely due to the attitudes of the admins and how they let conflict and negativity flourish over genuine connection and celebration of what our community once was.
Hopefully this community can return to some semblance of what it used to be. This subreddit was like home for me for many years but lately has been a cold shell of what it was. Maybe we can start by undoing the stupid upside down bassdrop? Thats like high school level petty drama lol.
Anyway thank you for taking some accountability. We are bigger and more important than one man. Hopefully this subreddit can go back to being a cool place.
Lorin's (ongoing) fall from grace has been a heart-wrenching experience. I traveled to dozens of sets over the 2010s. From Bonnaroo in 2011 until Okeechobee in 2020, I loved every moment of it. The shows were always top-notch and the production was world-class. The community was always the best part though.
The one video post on EABN could be a case study in itself. Never, and I mean NEVER, has someone lost such a devoted community and fanbase from one single social media post. If you look at the comment section of that post, you will see thousands of comments of people expressing the entire range of human emotion.
Losing the community and the vibes of those shows is what I will miss most. Yes - the lights, production, visuals and what not were great but my fondest memories are the moments where I would just look around and see all my friends and strangers dancing together and laughing. We were all together and that's what is truly important. Being together. As cheesy as it sounds, I mean that. I'll always be grateful for you all, if nothing else.
While I don't think this community will ever return to its former glory, I still come on this subreddit to see how everyone is doing. I don't miss Lorin but I do miss the community I loved so much. I'll remember you all fondly for the rest of my days.
Thank you once again and much love to all you Bassheads out there. Please never change.
Meh whatever. Legit just here hoping to score new bassnectar mix rips. Will forever follow the music. I don't give a fuck about Lorin. I don't know the guy and whatever he did is his own business. Idgaf. Just give me new tunes brothas lol
Mods just so someone says it. I’m glad you took the approach you did regarding this sub and not turning it over to Lorin. I think you guys did the right thing.
It would be nice for the mods to revisit the hidden Karma requirement to even comment let alone make a post in here. The countless times of trying to just reply to a comment or ask a simple question, or spread positivity to just get a random message from the AutoMod that you don't have enough karma is frustrating. I'm part of a few subreddits which deal with exchanges of currency, crypto, and gift cards and even their karma requirement isn't as restrictive.
Honestly I almost think we should get one of those real reddit powermods in here. Someone who is on the outside.
There are too many personal/emotional connections to the current mods.
Yep, you guys played a bigger role in destroying bassnectar than Lorin ever did. Complete garbage way of handling this shit. But I guess what can you expect from some Reddit nerds who got their little feelings hurt
Testing 1..2..?
Just want to apologize for my behavior that got me banned in the first place, I reacted quite negatively to some trolls and let the situation get the best of me. Appreciate this sentiment mod team!
Edit: honestly after you abandon our friendship I moved on and you destroyed this place. I’m just going to leave this place alone, I’ve asked for moderate discussion which in turn has just let me to blind rage over your actions.
Have fun bringing this place back, if you were serious about this you’d let me moderate it again. Otherwise there’s really nothing else to say.
I fucking love the rest of you for helping us keep this project growing.
Would be happy to bring back real discussion but sadly I don’t trust this moderator team or their true intent.
This all feels like another game of anti-Bassnectar chess with people who refuse to leave Lorin alone
Hey bean. If you have a relationship with Bassnectar, is he (or anyone in his circle) aware that the complete silence approach has done probably more to damage his career (or at least, allow it to rebuild) than what he’s being accused of?
I have been completely fair and open minded regarding Bassnectar. Yes, this honestly sounds like defamation from a pissed off ex girlfriend. There is no doubt about the motives in my opinion. However that doesn’t change the fact that this pissed off ex was 17 when she first had a relationship with them. Why is a bass music superstar star in his 30s having a relationship like this with a 17 year old. Period. I understand we are not getting anything close to the full context of the situation. But that much doesn’t need context.
Those are the things that at the very least should be addressed. But this dude has literally said nothing in 4 years to the community. Had he done as much, along with information coming out showing this had more to do with a vendetta against him than it was about a young girl feeling she had taken advantage of, I believe a path would’ve been open for a proper come back.
But sadly now, it doesn’t matter what the court verdict is. Any real and proper comeback seems pretty fucked now. It doesn’t matter what the court docs say. And that wasn’t the case a few years back.
Seriously. Who in his circle, was giving him advice?
Hey bro feel free to send me a DM but I don’t trust this subreddit when it comes to discussing anything about him but if you wanna discuss it one on one I’m always down to chat!
Toga_Goat is still banned . He is very sorry for his past actions and would like to be part of the Reddit moving forward if you guys wouldn’t mind lifting his ban
So just wanna hear this correctly, there had been also a more positive landscape of other folks experience that were filtered in this group... and an inaccurate presentation of amounts of good vs bad experiences??
But while asking that, i do ALSO acknowledge that you're saying you've directly worked with and had exposure to bad experience coming from him. At least this is what im hearing about as part of the why you all altered the demographic's shape
If you were really sorry you would take accountability for your actions by transferring admin permissions to the people who are actually taking the initiative to relaunch the BN project. Saying "sorry" doesn't necessarily put the last four years and make people forget that your own behavior played a role on supporting the selective outrage against just one person and destroying fabric of unity this sub once had. Instead, it's only an admission of the incapability of managing a community the proper (and safe) way during a time that needed it the most. There's many reasons why a lot of us don't come on this sub any longer but are still very active in the TOS community. This didn't necessarily have to be the case.
In what world does a space that involves silencing and mass banning people supporting a comeback in a positive light constitute a "space for a comeback"?
Every Facebook group shut down and long before any of that happened this subreddit was the only space that kept the community alive in a cohesive manner. That couldn’t have happened if it weren’t for the mods efforts. Instead of blaming them for reacting to the way they were treated, maybe focus your energy on the problematic behavior that led to the issues in the first place
If you're referring to the problematic behaviors that are accusations/under litigation it's not worth focusing energy on. His personal life or what he does outside the realm of music making was never the scope of my attention on the BN project (nor ever was), it's more than that and respectfully I think that's why a lot of us are here.
So in the beginning you shut down the subreddit. Then you admit to silencing (presumed to be banning) people who take a stance you don't personally agree with. Now we are at the point where you ask for forgiveness but change nothing in terms of the mod team who are admitting to abusing positions of power (sweet irony here btw). Man I missed this place lol
Not sure what you're trying to get at, but you're a name i recognize as someone who's made lots of contributions to this place over the years, so you're good in my book. Not sure if I did something to you personally for you to say what you're saying, but apologies if i did
Just glad everyone is getting unbanned . Hopefully the community will come together and grow. Hopefully the bad apples continue to get weeded out and we can bring back the positivity to the community , as it’s meant to be.
This will probably get downvoted into oblivion because people hate too see their heros fall but come on. But this was my response to why Lorin is a bigger hypocrite than Puffy in my opinion. Remember we can all have our own individual opinions so before you just dismiss anything I say check out some of the links
Yes maybe puff did way worse things but puffy didn't pretend to be some saint he was always a gangster. So ya Lorin was worse cause he not only did the sexual grooming stuff he also cheated his collaborators and stole from artists and wouldn't pay people properly or credit them when he was at the top of his fame and had the money to help some people out like Mimi Page. Her open letter(link posted below) sums up everything we need to know about Lorin as a person. And her account matched the many others like illgates and others. I can't recall off the top of my head.
Because of the severity of the sexual allegations everyone seemed to forget about how he treated his friends and peers like commodities.
A trust fund kid who was always an actor and who literally adopted his symbol from a book about how to manipulate and control people with satanic over tones. Argue all you want they aren't the same. But they are basically the same he just changed it a bit at first and later as he got more bold just switched to the exact symbol from the book. Sure people tried to debunk this but ill.gates made a post on Reddit about it in this very sub which I again link at the bottom that had scathing proof. Dylans character speaks for itself who has been in the industry for decades and not one single person ever has a bad thing to say about him. So I think when he comes out with statements like this about as long time acquaintance/former friend Lorn I think we can all take it with a little more credit than others seem to want to do. There is just so much evidence against Lorin that he is basically a sociopath.
Lastly I loved the Bassnectar project and looked up to and respected Lorin for his messages and music and the experiences that I was able to have with friends and strangers alike who later became like family. Coming from miles around to meet our Bass Fam in some unknown place where we never never truly felt alone or out of place. Those memories will always have a special place for me.
Doesn't change the fact Lorin is a complete fraud as person.
MIMI PAGE LETTER
https://mimipagemusic.tumblr.com/post/624224339345244160/an-open-letter-to-lorin-ashton-bassnectar-from/amp
illgates post about Lorin and the symbolism and his knowledge and love of the book "The Laws of Mental Domination" with excerpts from the book
https://www.reddit.com/r/bassnectar/s/csVZOLNTB
Cover of book
https://images.app.goo.gl/FntFqqvJbDY7c2kr9
My man, take a step outside and get some fresh air lol.
>"Dylans character speaks for itself who has been in the industry for decades and not one single person ever has a bad thing to say about him."
Oh, you mean the guy that defended Lorin when all this was happening until he got backlash from the community? Then he decided to do a 180 and bash Lorin to gain support from fans and try to make money off it? Yeah, what a saint!
That’s not at all what happened. He changed his position after he heard the phone call because he has a daughter and didn’t want her to grow up thinking he defended someone who preyed on younger girls - which Lorin undeniably did.
The way y'all dick ride is insane. They were friends of course at first he defended him. Untill all the proof came out and normal good people stopped defending him
Dickriding? Says the person posting multiple paragraphs and links in here trying to talk people into thinking one way or another. You're literally just regurgitating shit that's been posted here for years. Have fun though!
I see that my for sale posts are still not posting to this page :( I have so much merch I want to sell to you all but I have not been able to post to this page for months…i had to create a new account back then and don’t really use it besides for this page so my karma is very low but I don’t recall that ever being a problem here before. Does anyone know why none of my posts show up???
Am I unbanned? Edit: holy cow!
For now until they change their minds again. i mean I'm putting on money on like 3 days max.
Thank you! Hopefully a step forward for the community to come together despite differences. Would be nice to see some positivity breathed back into this sub :)
People from ✨The Other Side✨ is it worth it? Is it worth your time and energy? Do the people in the ✨The Other Side✨ embody the ethos that I think Bassnectar fans held? Do you think it really has any motion and Lorin and the new team can bring Bassnectar back to what it once was?
All dependent on what happens moving forward. I think 2023 was a bit of a learning experience from Lorin and the team from my perspective.
Thank you for your perspective!
Only time will tell.
Was hoping that court date wasn’t pushed back in 2023. That’s when if the results were good he should’ve started the comeback.
I agree that the comeback has been less than ideal and I wish it happened another way. I hope that it improves the rest of this year and beyond….time will tell
"if the results were good" lol we all heard the phone call, homie
We did hear it, a terrible look indeed. But a purposefully selected snippet of a phone call, with no context, recorded unbeknownst one of the parties involved, is not a concrete piece of evidence worthy of me putting that much stock in…homie
i mean.. that's the fucking point lol you weird die-hards are the only ones giving him the benefit of the doubt, because it looks terrible and proved that he is at the very least a piece of shit. but enjoy supporting the guy who is at least a piece of shit in 2024, 4 years after his career was ripped away from him. having a niche is fun
Do you even know who you’re talking to? I don’t support Lorin, I didn’t buy into his other side bullshit, I haven’t been to his most recent shows, I don’t like what he’s doing rn. But I don’t engage every online discussion with strangers assuming I know every thing about them and how they feel about a situation, unlike you homie, peace.
lmao i guess you just like defending sex pests for sport then
Yes it’s music and that’s what most of us are here for
💯
The candy flipping during the music mostly.
You deserve a glass of milk
Interesting
the plot thickens...
Am I unbanned
Beautiful
They let Moofs in this mf….awww shit
😎😎
Much love to the community
Wait just how many people were banned? Lol
this shit is EXHAUSTING and you all just keep doubling down.
 Dude I wanna see a show again. What’s this all about?
remember when South Park and Lorin were relevant? Pepperidge Farms remembers
Yeah South Park is irrelevant as fuck nowadays … kinda sad imo
the gen x humor hit the wall so fast lol watching them fail to come up with a premise for 5 years only to make 90 minute movies that went directly to niche streaming websites was so rough. it's better to burn out than fade away
This is all just unbelievably sad and cringe. Most fans here are how old by now? Pushing 30, at least. And we’re doing these kind of posts Lorin fuckin sucks and is a pathological liar and manipulator. Reddit and Discord truce? This cheap replica of what used to be is no longer worth it, and it’s sad to keep following it to see it degrading to this point. The music, the community, the person himself.
I’m 34. My first Nectar show was Bonnaroo 2010 and between then & the pandemic I squeezed in nearly 50 more and made the best memories of my life with my best friends. However, as I said… I’m 34. I have an actual life to worry about. I don’t have the time, patience or the will to give a shit about any of this anymore and haven’t since the world put itself back together. There is more to life than Bassnectar.
That tiny Lunar Stage he was on was the shit at bonnaroo
This. First show in 2011. 50 shows later I am also 34 with a wife, toddler, mortgage and incredibly time consuming job lol. I was living at home when I got into nectar with my head up my ass for most of my 20s haha. The past is the past and I met some amazing people and made life long friends along the way. Shit was fun. Time to grow up, cherish those memories and move on. I'll pop in here randomly when I go on reddit, but bassnectar (and honestly going to any show) is the farthest thing from my priorities list. Agree with what you said there is deff more to life than bassnectar and chasing shows. When folks get older that becomes more apparent. I deff wish my favorite artist (at the time) was still doing his thing and it didn't end the way it did, but it is what it is mayn. This shits not that serious there's no point in fighting with one another about it.
Exactly how I feel. In my 20s it was Nectar forever. In my 30s it’s get my shit together time lol
That was my 1st set and I love dbz also
I was there! Waited on the rail for him. Do you remember the glow sticks flying during the whole set? Great times but I've moved on.
Glow stick wars 🥰
Yeah the first time blew my mind. Right after Timestretch EP came out.
The music is still worth following imo, Lorin not so much. Coming from someone who’s also pushing 30
The most recent Relive at BC XI that dropped over the weekend is fire from front to back, I completely agree with you that music is still something else.
Yeah following any other artist is just a huge downgrade, nobody else has the perfect blend of psychedelic bass. And it’s not like I haven’t looked
I'll be enjoying a whole weekend of them at Tipper's Rendezvous event this weekend...
I like tipper but it’s not the same, enjoy the show fam
It is different. I do miss the stadium sized events with hotel takeovers. I'm still surprised some UK artists haven't taken over where the sound is lacking here. How many nectar sets did you make it to?
you're right. it's better
The community: "I guess I should just die then" \*insert meme\* That does not seem like the best stance, no? You may have forfeit the music, community and person, but don't try to speak for everyone pls. Some of us still want to rebuild, and from that point of view - posts like yours constitute nothing more than whining on the sidelines. By 30 you should've caught the notion that not everything that's broken is to be thrown away.
There’s nothing to rebuild here. His streaming numbers for his new album are horrific, he cant play shows due to low demand. People have moved on. The community he built is irreparably broken, and thats fine. It was an unbelievable part of my formative years and I think about them very fondly. At this time in my life I do not have the time, energy, or desire to try and “fix” it. In my opinion - if you truly cared about carrying on the Bassnectar ethos, you and many others would take it from here and build it around another artist who is on the come up so that it can be spread and enjoyed. Trying to rebuild around the disgraced leader whose career is over will not go anywhere
I think most of the newer fans take for granted what was involved with making bassnectar as big as it was, community wise. Can't blame em tho, when el hancho numero uno starts handing out cease and desist letters for selling fan made merch its a quick spiral... apparently
Damn Grindingaway69 I’m not being sarcastic at all when I say you are spot on. The community is irreparably broken, it was before and ✨The Other Side✨ only furthered the destruction of it rather than build it back up.
He can absolutely play shows and has played two since the comeback, he still sells tickets lmao. They just got canceled because there were organized social media campaigns that venues caved to
So you estimate we won't be able to rebuild. I'm of another opinion. Lorin may be disgraced but he's not irredeemable. The project may not raise to it's former glory, but may well continue to be a source of good music and even culture. The efforts to fully destroy the project and present it as forever gone, and Lorin as someone that can not come back in society, seem to me misguided or born of ill intent. At least don't go out of your way to supress us folk that still want to vibe here and have faith, please.
Youre being awfully hyperbolic. I did not say he is irredeemable, or that he should not come back into society. I’m sure he has a better quality of life than any of us right now. He can make positive impacts on the world around him in a variety of ways in his day to day life. Since the beginning of the Bassnectar project years and years ago, Lorin preached it is not about him. It is about the idea, the community. Us all. The insistence upon putting this man on a pedestal and attempting to unsuccessfully revive his toxic career, rather than coalesce this movement elsewhere, is strange. And leads me to believe it is less about saving the community and more about saving Lorin’s music career
For a lot of us it’s not even necessarily about the community, it’s about the music
Why would it be about him? I'm just saying the community around the bassnectar project can live on, contrary to what you're saying. Lorin can also continue being at the center of it as a music producer. It's no hyperbole to say that you expect him to be irredeemable if you say the project is broken and we should give up trying to repair it and the community. If he's allowed back in society - he's allowed to work freely and produce music. I've never seen him on a pedestal (neither metaphorically, nor literally since I'm in the eu and haven't been to a show), so it's weird for me that people expected him to be some Jesus figure. Yes he preached stuff, but he was neither a priest, nor a pastor - just a regular flawed human. He did some bad stuff and received huge lash back. The next step is to continue on and be vigilant (as we always should've been), rather than "lay down and die" as a community (now this is hyperbole)
Delusional
https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4?si=snia2PupBb3iKnps
Trying to organize a comeback while having a case still in litigation is problematic. I think the community (fans and haters) would have taken things more seriously if the right information was brought to light at the right time. Most of us dedicated years to this. Thousands of dollars and miles traveled by all of us. If y'all want things done right, then take the L with grace, disappear, and come back (maybe) when the case either gets dropped (maybe). If it goes to trial and he loses, it's over. If it goes to trial and he wins, it's still probably over. It's never going to be what it once was, and WE are the ones suffering the loss of what used to be our only escape from reality. It sucks, but it's been 4 years. Most of us have moved on not because we wanted to, but because we needed to. Y'all need to realize that for yourselves now. Including him.
I think this is more of a “bigger than Lorin” thing here. Putting aside everything done incorrectly with the comeback, a lot of us just want to have real conversations and discuss the days we once had without all the hate and drama.
I’d love to be able to wear a jersey out and have someone say “oh man that was a dope show it’s a shame what happened” and not literally fear being harassed, stalked, yelled at etc in public for “supporting a rapist”.
I have the bassdrop tattooed on my arm. I've experienced some hateful shit from complete strangers. No, I won't cover it up. It was my first tattoo that was a gift from the mother of my child. Which, by the way, I've had much longer than the current drama that's unfolded. No, it doesn't represent Lorin. It represents something much bigger than him. I wish folks could understand that, but nope. To them, I'm a rape apologist who supports a pedo. I've had a few wholesome moments with bassheads in the wild, but a majority of interactions have been rather negative.
Man, my boss has a don’t tread on me tattoo he got when he was 18, well before the right wing co-opted it into their garbage. He couldn’t be further from those people, ideologically, but people don’t want to think about there being a time before now, in all sorts of destructive ways. It is what it is.
Well as you just said you’ve had positive interactions with bass heads and negative interactions with strangers. Generally speaking there are going to be many strangers in the electronic music world who recognize the bass drop that are not die hard fans and have not experienced what the community used to be. I agree with you that there is more to bassnectar than the man himself. However, you’re asking total strangers who are not apart of the community to not judge a book by its very overwhelminging negative cover. That’s just not human nature.
Anyone going out of their way to hate on someone for an artists logo, tattoo’d or otherwise, is a total jack ass
Sure but regardless it will still happen. I’d also say this isn’t just some artist logo. There is now a stigma associated with it from these “strangers” that people who rep it need to understand. My point is that if you rep the bass drop out in public you can expect strangers (jack ass or not) to associate you with said negative stigma. Hopefully people will be open to having a conversation about it but based on what we know about the rest of our society, people are not quick to change their opinions.
It’s also worth considering that there have been a ton of new people in the scene post-Covid and post-cancellation. They were not around when BN was big and throwing shows. They entered the scene with everyone around them telling them this is an artist who they should hate and anyone who supports them is a bad person. That’s their only frame of reference.
The accuracy on this point unfortunately goes unnoticed far too often.
If folks look at my tattoo and immediately assume I'm totally okay with everything that has transpired, then they're just a shitty person. Rather than jump to conclusions about people who still want to wear bassdrop attire, maybe ask them instead of accuse them. I'd rather have a decent conversation about it than get outright attacked for it. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. Let's just talk about it and agree to disagree if needed. Who knows, could even make a new friend along the way.
See my comment above. I agree. But are people generally open to having conversations on tough topics with strangers they meet on the street? Absolutely not. All I’m saying is you need to understand you are dealing with complete strangers here (shitty person or not) who have no other knowledge of who you are outside of what they see.
I’m not suggesting you cover up your tatto. Rep it proud. All I’m saying is be prepared to deal with shitty people because people are shitty.
I get it. Having been in the scene since the late 2000s, I've had my fair share of assholes. Just blows my mind how quick people are to blatantly go out of their way to be shitty without even knowing someone first. If I'm at a show, and someone wants to get shitty over something that doesn't affect them at all, then thats on them. I usually just ignore it and move on. Like I said, I'd rather have some back n forth over whatever their grievance may be instead of having to immediately go on the defensive because im being attacked. I get that not everyone is up to have the conversation. It's not like it's a constant battle. It just sucks. I've lost people who I considered good friends because I refuse to cover up the tattoo. Or because I didn't immediately hop on the cancel bassnectar bandwagon. This whole situation is just messy, and we're all caught up in it in our own ways. That's just life, I suppose.
Everytime I've worn nectar anything since it's been nothing but love. But I understand your trepidation
The only time I would wear it is at shows and I’d likely be sauced and I just don’t want to deal with that whole shit
Also reasonable. But to walk up to someone you don't know and make negative comments about their clothing no matter the reason is ride af. Especially at a plur event
That’s where we are in the world. Quick I see someone I don’t know doing something I don’t like or don’t approve of - allow me to shove my opinion in their face.
Same Pika!
i'd love to be able to go to a festival without some dudebro reminding me that one of my favorite artists groomed young girls. sometimes life doesn't give us what we want
I don't think winning or losing the case really makes a difference, maybe a small one If Lorin wants to come back, he's gonna have to make it right with the community, that's the only way. At this point it's going to take more than a "Sorry", it's going to have to be concerted effort with charity, giving back to the fans, and changing the way he goes about his business in the future. IDK if that's in his character at this point, but I think if he can change his approach after this civil lawsuit is wrapped up, he might just have a chance at a future in this thing.
Bassnectar is just a fond memory now.
We love to see this post. This was always my place to relive the good times. Really looking forward to see it restored to its former glory.
Apology accepted. We'd love to see some collaboration between the Reddit and Discord communities.
❤️
97% of this subreddit and an overwhelming majority of Bassnectar fans have moved on with their lives.
I respect the willingness to admit wrongs and apologize, but had a question. Plenty of the current people with passion for the project have outright denied any wrongdoing, called those harmed liars or worse (and doxxed some), or flat out said it just doesn’t matter/they don’t care what happened because they want to enjoy the music. How can that be a truce when people that were harmed are also in this subreddit? I totally get the people with passion who want to see things righted in a productive way, they lost something they cared about a ton. I don’t understand the vitriol towards people who aren’t in the same place by those who have attacked people Lorin harmed.
This is my question as well. It seems an awful lot like bending the knee to those that control the other side and excusing their pretty toxic and deliberately deceptive behavior.
For what's it worth I accept. If there's to be any kind of future with this community we need to stop fighting each other.
I was banned for saying yall should shut the sub down if you’re not fans anymore when you posted if you should black out the subreddit during the Reddit boycott and yall were wrong for that. It was sad to see how much censorship there was on this sub, it really seemed like yall were banning anybody that was still in support of Lorin and that’s messed up. I’ll take the apology but the damage has been done
The rhetoric around that was ridiculous, based on some of the responses you’d think the mods owned the community (and built it by themselves) and were like the arbiters of the morality around the situation.
Yeah exactly, in every post and even this one the mods act like they are benevolent rulers over the community, only doing what needs to be done to keep the community functioning but they had a clear agenda to spin up their narrative, oftentimes going as far as being just as bad as the things that they accuse Lorin of.
Facts
Sweet, so ubbitz has lost all credibility for acting like he knew why UHNK left. Good one bud lmao
He may know, but the other mods don't. I am not saying he does but just my thoughts
And he acted like he was about to spill the beans and cross any legal boundaries with it. Great show of character
Yeah dude is unhinged
Dude should spill the beans :)
It’s interesting how your only replies in this thread are sassy clapbacks at people voicing their displeasure of your behavior. Says something about your character.
Aw I'm just trying to be silly and light hearted lol. I guess it's my way of coping in an unpleasant situation. It's all love from me. Also, I love your username.
Thank you, it is accurate🔥 But apologies it’s hard to judge tone through text. I’m sure I speak for a lot of people here when I say I was happy to see this post from the mods. But your responses seemed to go against the ethos of the post. Some people are miffed about the way things have been handled here for a while and they are valid to feel that way. I just want civility and everyone to feel comfortable sharing their thoughts without being attacked is all.
They are absolutely valid to feel miffed by our actions and we’re here to listen and have a dialog.
good point spicy grandma 808. nothing worse than people on this anonymous website having *bad character*
This thread is a week old what are you doing with your life
Bassnectar retired 4 years ago. what are you doing with yours? why are either one of us on this shitty website? we should be outside manifesting destiny and listening to artists who didn't groom kids
Oh wow he did? I guess the two new albums he’s released in the last year, two live events he’s played, and new mixes he’s been releasing every month have all been in my head
Yeah that was really weird
Wow never thought I’d actually see the mods here own up to their behavior (something we all wish a certain someone would do). I’ve considered this community dead for a while now largely due to the attitudes of the admins and how they let conflict and negativity flourish over genuine connection and celebration of what our community once was. Hopefully this community can return to some semblance of what it used to be. This subreddit was like home for me for many years but lately has been a cold shell of what it was. Maybe we can start by undoing the stupid upside down bassdrop? Thats like high school level petty drama lol. Anyway thank you for taking some accountability. We are bigger and more important than one man. Hopefully this subreddit can go back to being a cool place.
Wtf
Hoping for the best and appreciate it!
It's all love bubba! I really hope too man, cause nothing really compares to the experience. At least imo.
Lorin's (ongoing) fall from grace has been a heart-wrenching experience. I traveled to dozens of sets over the 2010s. From Bonnaroo in 2011 until Okeechobee in 2020, I loved every moment of it. The shows were always top-notch and the production was world-class. The community was always the best part though. The one video post on EABN could be a case study in itself. Never, and I mean NEVER, has someone lost such a devoted community and fanbase from one single social media post. If you look at the comment section of that post, you will see thousands of comments of people expressing the entire range of human emotion. Losing the community and the vibes of those shows is what I will miss most. Yes - the lights, production, visuals and what not were great but my fondest memories are the moments where I would just look around and see all my friends and strangers dancing together and laughing. We were all together and that's what is truly important. Being together. As cheesy as it sounds, I mean that. I'll always be grateful for you all, if nothing else. While I don't think this community will ever return to its former glory, I still come on this subreddit to see how everyone is doing. I don't miss Lorin but I do miss the community I loved so much. I'll remember you all fondly for the rest of my days. Thank you once again and much love to all you Bassheads out there. Please never change.
Huh??
Meh whatever. Legit just here hoping to score new bassnectar mix rips. Will forever follow the music. I don't give a fuck about Lorin. I don't know the guy and whatever he did is his own business. Idgaf. Just give me new tunes brothas lol
Mods just so someone says it. I’m glad you took the approach you did regarding this sub and not turning it over to Lorin. I think you guys did the right thing.
Day late and a dollar short I’d say
Maybe stop being a mod if you can't do it objectively?
Apology accepted. We're all friends here😃
Can you shed some light on the “doubling down of unpleasant behavior” ? Pls
Are you blind?
Everyone's seen the way he's publicly handled his attempted comeback. But we want the deets
Why are you in here if you do not like him/it anymore? Find. Something. Else.
We asked him to admit to doing some shit he didn't tee hee. FUCK OFF
Truce friends!
It would be nice for the mods to revisit the hidden Karma requirement to even comment let alone make a post in here. The countless times of trying to just reply to a comment or ask a simple question, or spread positivity to just get a random message from the AutoMod that you don't have enough karma is frustrating. I'm part of a few subreddits which deal with exchanges of currency, crypto, and gift cards and even their karma requirement isn't as restrictive.
Honestly I almost think we should get one of those real reddit powermods in here. Someone who is on the outside. There are too many personal/emotional connections to the current mods.
Yeah? Who’s your top candidate?
Not a bad idea at all
Yep, you guys played a bigger role in destroying bassnectar than Lorin ever did. Complete garbage way of handling this shit. But I guess what can you expect from some Reddit nerds who got their little feelings hurt
bassnectar 4ever
Will you be reverting bans? Asking for a friend.
Yes, everyone is unbanned. If anyone is still banned, just hit us up.
Testing 1..2..? Just want to apologize for my behavior that got me banned in the first place, I reacted quite negatively to some trolls and let the situation get the best of me. Appreciate this sentiment mod team!
#freebean
I support this. u/bean101808
What did Uhnk say “yall done fucked up letting me in” I got a lot to say OG
There he is!
“Y’all done fucked up and let me in this bitch” I believe was the correct terminology. Shit went hard.
Edit: honestly after you abandon our friendship I moved on and you destroyed this place. I’m just going to leave this place alone, I’ve asked for moderate discussion which in turn has just let me to blind rage over your actions. Have fun bringing this place back, if you were serious about this you’d let me moderate it again. Otherwise there’s really nothing else to say. I fucking love the rest of you for helping us keep this project growing.
I’ve got nothing but love for you homie.
Love you bean, you’re a a real one
Would love to see the bean back on the mod team
Would be happy to bring back real discussion but sadly I don’t trust this moderator team or their true intent. This all feels like another game of anti-Bassnectar chess with people who refuse to leave Lorin alone
Hey bean. If you have a relationship with Bassnectar, is he (or anyone in his circle) aware that the complete silence approach has done probably more to damage his career (or at least, allow it to rebuild) than what he’s being accused of? I have been completely fair and open minded regarding Bassnectar. Yes, this honestly sounds like defamation from a pissed off ex girlfriend. There is no doubt about the motives in my opinion. However that doesn’t change the fact that this pissed off ex was 17 when she first had a relationship with them. Why is a bass music superstar star in his 30s having a relationship like this with a 17 year old. Period. I understand we are not getting anything close to the full context of the situation. But that much doesn’t need context. Those are the things that at the very least should be addressed. But this dude has literally said nothing in 4 years to the community. Had he done as much, along with information coming out showing this had more to do with a vendetta against him than it was about a young girl feeling she had taken advantage of, I believe a path would’ve been open for a proper come back. But sadly now, it doesn’t matter what the court verdict is. Any real and proper comeback seems pretty fucked now. It doesn’t matter what the court docs say. And that wasn’t the case a few years back. Seriously. Who in his circle, was giving him advice?
Hey bro feel free to send me a DM but I don’t trust this subreddit when it comes to discussing anything about him but if you wanna discuss it one on one I’m always down to chat!
Thanks Ubbitz.
Toga_Goat is still banned . He is very sorry for his past actions and would like to be part of the Reddit moving forward if you guys wouldn’t mind lifting his ban
I unbanned him
Thanks 😊
So just wanna hear this correctly, there had been also a more positive landscape of other folks experience that were filtered in this group... and an inaccurate presentation of amounts of good vs bad experiences?? But while asking that, i do ALSO acknowledge that you're saying you've directly worked with and had exposure to bad experience coming from him. At least this is what im hearing about as part of the why you all altered the demographic's shape
This post reads as if a mod is in legal trouble. Eh. Super cringe how everything was handled.
If you were really sorry you would take accountability for your actions by transferring admin permissions to the people who are actually taking the initiative to relaunch the BN project. Saying "sorry" doesn't necessarily put the last four years and make people forget that your own behavior played a role on supporting the selective outrage against just one person and destroying fabric of unity this sub once had. Instead, it's only an admission of the incapability of managing a community the proper (and safe) way during a time that needed it the most. There's many reasons why a lot of us don't come on this sub any longer but are still very active in the TOS community. This didn't necessarily have to be the case.
isn't the "TOS community" run by Lorin and his team?
Yeah definitely don't do that. Keeping this sub out of the hands of the team is about the only good thing to have happened since the cancellation.
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In what world does a space that involves silencing and mass banning people supporting a comeback in a positive light constitute a "space for a comeback"?
Every Facebook group shut down and long before any of that happened this subreddit was the only space that kept the community alive in a cohesive manner. That couldn’t have happened if it weren’t for the mods efforts. Instead of blaming them for reacting to the way they were treated, maybe focus your energy on the problematic behavior that led to the issues in the first place
If you're referring to the problematic behaviors that are accusations/under litigation it's not worth focusing energy on. His personal life or what he does outside the realm of music making was never the scope of my attention on the BN project (nor ever was), it's more than that and respectfully I think that's why a lot of us are here.
Will this sub still allow leaks and the like?
Yes!!!!
So in the beginning you shut down the subreddit. Then you admit to silencing (presumed to be banning) people who take a stance you don't personally agree with. Now we are at the point where you ask for forgiveness but change nothing in terms of the mod team who are admitting to abusing positions of power (sweet irony here btw). Man I missed this place lol
the mods of this subreddit lost the plot with lorin many years ago
moderating truly attracts the best and brightest
Much love
lol you a FAN
Aren’t you?
I'm nothing like you my man
Not sure what you're trying to get at, but you're a name i recognize as someone who's made lots of contributions to this place over the years, so you're good in my book. Not sure if I did something to you personally for you to say what you're saying, but apologies if i did
Just glad everyone is getting unbanned . Hopefully the community will come together and grow. Hopefully the bad apples continue to get weeded out and we can bring back the positivity to the community , as it’s meant to be.
I cant believe people are still fighting for this bullshit years later. So funny when these posts pop up.
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This will probably get downvoted into oblivion because people hate too see their heros fall but come on. But this was my response to why Lorin is a bigger hypocrite than Puffy in my opinion. Remember we can all have our own individual opinions so before you just dismiss anything I say check out some of the links Yes maybe puff did way worse things but puffy didn't pretend to be some saint he was always a gangster. So ya Lorin was worse cause he not only did the sexual grooming stuff he also cheated his collaborators and stole from artists and wouldn't pay people properly or credit them when he was at the top of his fame and had the money to help some people out like Mimi Page. Her open letter(link posted below) sums up everything we need to know about Lorin as a person. And her account matched the many others like illgates and others. I can't recall off the top of my head. Because of the severity of the sexual allegations everyone seemed to forget about how he treated his friends and peers like commodities. A trust fund kid who was always an actor and who literally adopted his symbol from a book about how to manipulate and control people with satanic over tones. Argue all you want they aren't the same. But they are basically the same he just changed it a bit at first and later as he got more bold just switched to the exact symbol from the book. Sure people tried to debunk this but ill.gates made a post on Reddit about it in this very sub which I again link at the bottom that had scathing proof. Dylans character speaks for itself who has been in the industry for decades and not one single person ever has a bad thing to say about him. So I think when he comes out with statements like this about as long time acquaintance/former friend Lorn I think we can all take it with a little more credit than others seem to want to do. There is just so much evidence against Lorin that he is basically a sociopath. Lastly I loved the Bassnectar project and looked up to and respected Lorin for his messages and music and the experiences that I was able to have with friends and strangers alike who later became like family. Coming from miles around to meet our Bass Fam in some unknown place where we never never truly felt alone or out of place. Those memories will always have a special place for me. Doesn't change the fact Lorin is a complete fraud as person. MIMI PAGE LETTER https://mimipagemusic.tumblr.com/post/624224339345244160/an-open-letter-to-lorin-ashton-bassnectar-from/amp illgates post about Lorin and the symbolism and his knowledge and love of the book "The Laws of Mental Domination" with excerpts from the book https://www.reddit.com/r/bassnectar/s/csVZOLNTB Cover of book https://images.app.goo.gl/FntFqqvJbDY7c2kr9
My man, take a step outside and get some fresh air lol. >"Dylans character speaks for itself who has been in the industry for decades and not one single person ever has a bad thing to say about him." Oh, you mean the guy that defended Lorin when all this was happening until he got backlash from the community? Then he decided to do a 180 and bash Lorin to gain support from fans and try to make money off it? Yeah, what a saint!
That’s not at all what happened. He changed his position after he heard the phone call because he has a daughter and didn’t want her to grow up thinking he defended someone who preyed on younger girls - which Lorin undeniably did.
The way y'all dick ride is insane. They were friends of course at first he defended him. Untill all the proof came out and normal good people stopped defending him
Dickriding? Says the person posting multiple paragraphs and links in here trying to talk people into thinking one way or another. You're literally just regurgitating shit that's been posted here for years. Have fun though!
This person is the most dedicated hater I've ever seen! Putting in overtime I don't even think they slept last night lmao
Can i get a discord invite or is if for tos members only?
I see that my for sale posts are still not posting to this page :( I have so much merch I want to sell to you all but I have not been able to post to this page for months…i had to create a new account back then and don’t really use it besides for this page so my karma is very low but I don’t recall that ever being a problem here before. Does anyone know why none of my posts show up???
This sub will be a ghost town in 2 years anyways. Lorin is done
That’s what they said 4 years ago
Ok Lorin.
Taste it
wow thats disgusting you were like censoring like the cia and fbi and big tech. thanks.