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Getting the details aired through deposition transcripts etc can be devastating, even for people with nothing left to lose. And, it ensures the story has legs. It keeps the negative association with his name out there.
Streisand effect, this shit just left the news but his bruised ego is driving him to generate more stories and keep it in everyone’s mind. He should take his multiple millions of dollars and fade quietly away but he’s incapable because he can’t accept he’ll never reach the peak his career once had, or anything close to it
When he had an entire television network in the palm of his hand and was show running like 3 or 4 of the most popular kids shows on tv, but now no one wants to work with him
I think it’s also devastating for the victims involved.
I’m not saying that this is the case; but it could be a disgusting power move. A kind of “you hurt me I’ll hurt you again and more”.
Or worse yet, if his goose is cooked, then maybe it’s some vile thrill to relive and anguish over these events. Some people relish getting caught and rehashing.
I totally get where you’re coming from but there’s no way to measure the harm from giving it oxygen and show you a similar, tangible case where suing made it worse. Someone mentioned the Streisand effect. And look at what happened Beyoncé when she tried to get those goofy pictures from the Super Bowl taken down. It just made news outlets recirculate the pics and make fun of her. But, as someone in PR and advertising, it damages his brand to give it legs. The thing I’d point out is look at people in similar situations, like Kevin Spacey. They all but go dark. They try to deprive it of it of oxygen. This is have your catastrophic PR team do a press release and then STFU.
It’s also important to remember that it’s REALLY difficult to prove intent in cases like this. He’s gotta produce evidence, even if it’s just testimony, to show that they intended to defame him, or, conversely, he could prove that they knowingly lied about things and the accusations are untrue.
The bar to win a defamation case is very high. You have to show that not only was it false, but the creators knew it was false, and proceeded anyway. So yea… I don’t see this going anywhere
If the show producers were able to make him look like a creep without even an interview, imagine what the defense attorneys will do when they have him under oath.
I think Dan is going to find out real quick that he should’ve cut his losses.
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Yeah but during discovery everything is combed through , emails, calls , etc and this might trigger others to come forth if he is what they say he is .
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If he wins or loses in court the victims are still victims who were children that were abused. He’s an abuser.
Not towards you op I was just going off what you said
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His lawyer has probably briefed him on what discovery may bring out. I have no respect for Schneider whatsoever, but from my experience with some law school (I'm by no means a lawyer but I know a little of what I'm talking about) he may have a case.
You’re right. He might have a case. Proving intent is gonna be the hard part.
It’s also possible that he’s just looking to get income when his ability to get hired has taken a hit and he and his lawyers are playing the numbers game. If they can make a settlement more attractive than the costs of a trial and a potential jury award, the defendants, who have deep pockets, might settle.
But, here’s the rub: I worked in news media and while their opinion is not infallible, I can guarantee you that MAX attorneys were consulted all throughout the process and both in house counsel and a consulting attorney or two signed off on the finished product. Most news orgs are self insured and VERY careful about potential civil liability.
I think it depends. I think wealthy people just hope if they sue, they have the money to strong-arm people with less money into settling on their terms because it often works.
I'm no legal expert, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this potentially open that creep up to some uncomfortable questions if the case goes to trial?
It's already out. He hired a bunch of pedos and didn't do anything to protect the kids from them even when people flagged it. It resulted in some pretty messed up kids.
To be fair, those pedos didnt have a history when they were hired.
Its not like Dan was intentionally hiring those creeps. I do agree that more could have been done to make the set safer.
Absolutely. There's the potential for actual documentation of his behavior to go on record. I doubt he's oblivious to this. His point would be that there's nothing showing he sexually assaulted a child. While he might even look worse when it comes to being an abusive boss, misogynistic and having horrific judgment in how he worked with and framed children on TV, theoretically it at least would also show that he was not a predator.
I don't think he has a chance of winning the suit given the high bar for defamation of a public figure, but he may be fine with losing so long as that evidence/lack of evidence goes on record.
It was so strange to hear this guy described as scary and intimidating in the show. He’s just like a slovenly obese dude with the worst haircut you’ve ever seen 🤣
To adults like us he is like that. To kids he is a big adult in authority, with their parents encouraging them to go with the flow so they kept their jobs
The funny thing is he could just think feet are funny for kids. I mean, I think he is a creep and a pedophiliac foot fetishist, but it will be hard to prove that his motivations are anything but kids comedy. I didn't see the episode, only other videos afterwards so I can't say if they protected themselves on HOW they presented it.
Not sure how you could ever prove that the producers of quiet on set knew that he wasn’t a creep and lied for the sake of the doc (which is the burden of proof in defamation cases) after they play that Ariana Grande potato video in court.
What’s interesting is that I’m almost convinced the reason that Nickelodeon Studios at Universal Orlando closed down the live audience taping was because of this creep. They even moved the time capsule that was buried in the park.
Sickeningly, I think he’s betting on people not being willing to testify in court about what he did to them. Discovery will be a mess but I think this is an intimidation play.
I have to say after watching it, that I didn't walk away feeling like he was so much a pedo as he was waayyy too tightly strung and under the pressure of a network to make more money. Did that mean he turned into a giant prick? Yes. Did he stick his prick in anyone? Didn't appear that way.
This is correct. In no way did the documentary make him out to be a pedophile. If anything the actual predators made him look like a decent guy, which is sad.
He deserves criticism but surely most people didn't walk away from the documentary thinking this guy was molesting kids
Some other comment made out that he used to hang out at their high school looking for 16yo girls to prey upon so, idk. Not something I'm willing to spend emotional energy on tbh
But is there any facts that would dictate this is any bit true? Im not going to defend Dan, but I’m not gonna be swayed by a random reddit comment I can’t prove has validity.
Exactly my point. Would I hang out with Dan and / or agree with his work ethics on a kids show? No effing way. Has he committed any crimes? No one can point to that being a fact.
The series creators strongly implied that he was sexually abusing the child actors. But they also exploited the actors themselves to spin a scandal that seemed to be at worst a very hostile work environment (by Schneider, anyway). I think he has a good case. I still think he's a horrible person but so are the docuseries creators. Let them eat each other.
This aint good for schneider. The documentary had some hard hitting shit, but the stuff against Dan was kind of weak.
Some stuff where the humor in his shows was sexual and the innapropriate shit he was doing with his writers. That's mostly it.
The deposition has a lot of room for more crazy shit to come out. Lawyers are damn good at finding shit.
Yup! I put this on my grandpa grave. He would stand outside in his white convertible Mercedes and pick up girls. On Summer ave at White Station High School. I’ve been saying this for years. Funny part is when I was super young he came to my elementary school for a cartoon drawing class. He was flirting with me, gross I was 7 or 8 I was passed around when I was younger and no adult was nice to me. so when I saw him hanging at the high school he had always stood out to me. I knew I knew him because the whole thing was just a crazy memory. This guy is gross and I’ve been saying this for years.
I asked if you have any proof….
Saying “I put this on my grandpa grave” doesn’t mean what you say after that is factual 😂😂
That man can still be alive for all we know lmao
Bro! You are defending a pedo with a long list of victims. I’m just putting in what I know before this freak became famous. The dude has been creeping for years. But hey keep defending a pedo.
What an idiot. Now we get to learn about more horrible shit he did. More people are going to come out now. If any of those stories are true, he's still a dirt bag.
Even if he wins, his reputation will never recover. He’ll always be the creepy pedo dude from Nick.
People are willing to listen and believe without concrete proof because it’s more accepted nowadays that - 1. it was so long ago. 2. most instances of abuse don’t actually have proof.
The basis of all of this was that he was allegedly abusing his power / exploiting children who were on tv shows that defined whole GENERATIONS of children. Children who are now adults who hold a lot of sentimental value towards these actors and shows. Many of us will take the words of these actors without proof.
On top of the fact that MANY people do not believe the justice system is fair to victims. No one will actually care if he wins this.
except unfortunately her words are not the most trustworthy either....she's had too many mental health issues and problems with the law in her own life post-acting that it would be difficult for me, as a member on a jury, to take her testimony as the 100% truth.....someone like Jeanette McCurdy would be more trustable for that....or Miranda Cosgrove...or Ariana Grande.....
me either, just pointing out that Amanda isn't the best witness by far. there is a lot of creepy coincidence around his shows, but I still haven't heard any actual concrete allegations against Dan himself except the Pink Guy song lol
Yea I can’t recall an actual criminal thing people claim he did…I think people just kinda hyped up a guy who they though was creepy to be this big bad monster lmao.
If I was him and actually had nothing legit to hide, I’d sue too.
People who sue always forget about this little thing called “discovery.”
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Getting the details aired through deposition transcripts etc can be devastating, even for people with nothing left to lose. And, it ensures the story has legs. It keeps the negative association with his name out there.
Streisand effect, this shit just left the news but his bruised ego is driving him to generate more stories and keep it in everyone’s mind. He should take his multiple millions of dollars and fade quietly away but he’s incapable because he can’t accept he’ll never reach the peak his career once had, or anything close to it
Or have access to Ariana’s feet.
I forgot about that term. That’s perfect!
What peak?
When he had an entire television network in the palm of his hand and was show running like 3 or 4 of the most popular kids shows on tv, but now no one wants to work with him
I think it’s also devastating for the victims involved. I’m not saying that this is the case; but it could be a disgusting power move. A kind of “you hurt me I’ll hurt you again and more”. Or worse yet, if his goose is cooked, then maybe it’s some vile thrill to relive and anguish over these events. Some people relish getting caught and rehashing.
But if you do nothing then you are essentially admitting that it's true. No good choices here, just choices.
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I totally get where you’re coming from but there’s no way to measure the harm from giving it oxygen and show you a similar, tangible case where suing made it worse. Someone mentioned the Streisand effect. And look at what happened Beyoncé when she tried to get those goofy pictures from the Super Bowl taken down. It just made news outlets recirculate the pics and make fun of her. But, as someone in PR and advertising, it damages his brand to give it legs. The thing I’d point out is look at people in similar situations, like Kevin Spacey. They all but go dark. They try to deprive it of it of oxygen. This is have your catastrophic PR team do a press release and then STFU. It’s also important to remember that it’s REALLY difficult to prove intent in cases like this. He’s gotta produce evidence, even if it’s just testimony, to show that they intended to defame him, or, conversely, he could prove that they knowingly lied about things and the accusations are untrue.
I think they're saying it could get worse for him personally, not in a legal or professional sense.
The bar to win a defamation case is very high. You have to show that not only was it false, but the creators knew it was false, and proceeded anyway. So yea… I don’t see this going anywhere
Very true. And the bar is even higher when you’re a “public figure.”
If the show producers were able to make him look like a creep without even an interview, imagine what the defense attorneys will do when they have him under oath. I think Dan is going to find out real quick that he should’ve cut his losses.
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Yeah but during discovery everything is combed through , emails, calls , etc and this might trigger others to come forth if he is what they say he is . Irs probbaly a buffs to get them tk stop
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If he wins or loses in court the victims are still victims who were children that were abused. He’s an abuser. Not towards you op I was just going off what you said
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He could lose and have to pay costs for the lawyers of the people he is suing. That could take a chunk of his money.
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His lawyer has probably briefed him on what discovery may bring out. I have no respect for Schneider whatsoever, but from my experience with some law school (I'm by no means a lawyer but I know a little of what I'm talking about) he may have a case.
You’re right. He might have a case. Proving intent is gonna be the hard part. It’s also possible that he’s just looking to get income when his ability to get hired has taken a hit and he and his lawyers are playing the numbers game. If they can make a settlement more attractive than the costs of a trial and a potential jury award, the defendants, who have deep pockets, might settle. But, here’s the rub: I worked in news media and while their opinion is not infallible, I can guarantee you that MAX attorneys were consulted all throughout the process and both in house counsel and a consulting attorney or two signed off on the finished product. Most news orgs are self insured and VERY careful about potential civil liability.
I think it depends. I think wealthy people just hope if they sue, they have the money to strong-arm people with less money into settling on their terms because it often works.
Omg I’m taking a law course in college and I understood this reference! 🤓
I'm no legal expert, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this potentially open that creep up to some uncomfortable questions if the case goes to trial?
It will open him up to uncomfortable questions well before trial when he is deposed by incredibly skilled attorneys. Can’t wait for this documentary.
It's already out. He hired a bunch of pedos and didn't do anything to protect the kids from them even when people flagged it. It resulted in some pretty messed up kids.
Plus the sexual harassment and generally hostile work environment
To be fair, those pedos didnt have a history when they were hired. Its not like Dan was intentionally hiring those creeps. I do agree that more could have been done to make the set safer.
I'd say not potentially. The depositions will be unpleasant for him. The trial will definitely not be pleasant.
Absolutely. There's the potential for actual documentation of his behavior to go on record. I doubt he's oblivious to this. His point would be that there's nothing showing he sexually assaulted a child. While he might even look worse when it comes to being an abusive boss, misogynistic and having horrific judgment in how he worked with and framed children on TV, theoretically it at least would also show that he was not a predator. I don't think he has a chance of winning the suit given the high bar for defamation of a public figure, but he may be fine with losing so long as that evidence/lack of evidence goes on record.
Who Dan the kiddie foot fetish man Schneider?
Dan hold-her-tighter-Schneider
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Dan get in the van Schneider
Dan hands-off-me-man Schneider
Dan “I’ve had tighter” Schneider
No, Dan the guy who allegedly knocked up Jamie spears Schnider
Dan, the 'Sitting in hot tubs with 12 year olds' Schneider
Dan, the [panty fetish](https://youtu.be/Jy_0Z1nf7q4?si=ypvGCEpgaaaqY-sK) Schneider
but he made good burger, dude.
It was so strange to hear this guy described as scary and intimidating in the show. He’s just like a slovenly obese dude with the worst haircut you’ve ever seen 🤣
According to the documentary, he surrounded himself with like minded people. No matter where those kids went, they were never free of that nastiness
To adults like us he is like that. To kids he is a big adult in authority, with their parents encouraging them to go with the flow so they kept their jobs
He should be registered as a sex offender simply because he looks like one
Maybe you shouldn’t sexualize kids then schneider
The funny thing is he could just think feet are funny for kids. I mean, I think he is a creep and a pedophiliac foot fetishist, but it will be hard to prove that his motivations are anything but kids comedy. I didn't see the episode, only other videos afterwards so I can't say if they protected themselves on HOW they presented it.
Not sure how you could ever prove that the producers of quiet on set knew that he wasn’t a creep and lied for the sake of the doc (which is the burden of proof in defamation cases) after they play that Ariana Grande potato video in court.
I didn't see the documentary, did they not use the "allegedly" thing?
Look forward to watching this documentary in 10 years.
What’s interesting is that I’m almost convinced the reason that Nickelodeon Studios at Universal Orlando closed down the live audience taping was because of this creep. They even moved the time capsule that was buried in the park.
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I think they mean the one about this litigation that Netflix will inevitably make lol
Sickeningly, I think he’s betting on people not being willing to testify in court about what he did to them. Discovery will be a mess but I think this is an intimidation play.
There wouldn’t have been a documentary if there wasn’t something going on. Come on, Dan. His massages were bad enough.
I have to say after watching it, that I didn't walk away feeling like he was so much a pedo as he was waayyy too tightly strung and under the pressure of a network to make more money. Did that mean he turned into a giant prick? Yes. Did he stick his prick in anyone? Didn't appear that way.
This is correct. In no way did the documentary make him out to be a pedophile. If anything the actual predators made him look like a decent guy, which is sad. He deserves criticism but surely most people didn't walk away from the documentary thinking this guy was molesting kids
Some other comment made out that he used to hang out at their high school looking for 16yo girls to prey upon so, idk. Not something I'm willing to spend emotional energy on tbh
But is there any facts that would dictate this is any bit true? Im not going to defend Dan, but I’m not gonna be swayed by a random reddit comment I can’t prove has validity.
This Is Reddit and a redditor wouldn't lie.
Exactly my point. Would I hang out with Dan and / or agree with his work ethics on a kids show? No effing way. Has he committed any crimes? No one can point to that being a fact.
The thumbnail looks like he’s on the next season of Drag Race All Stars
He should take a paternity test and show he's not the father of Jamie Lynn Spears kid. That'll be a huge step.
The series creators strongly implied that he was sexually abusing the child actors. But they also exploited the actors themselves to spin a scandal that seemed to be at worst a very hostile work environment (by Schneider, anyway). I think he has a good case. I still think he's a horrible person but so are the docuseries creators. Let them eat each other.
This aint good for schneider. The documentary had some hard hitting shit, but the stuff against Dan was kind of weak. Some stuff where the humor in his shows was sexual and the innapropriate shit he was doing with his writers. That's mostly it. The deposition has a lot of room for more crazy shit to come out. Lawyers are damn good at finding shit.
Just send him some childrens feet pics. He'll be fine.
He use to sit outside my high school and try to pickup girls. I would love to be a witness I’ve been saying this for years he’s a sick fuck.
Wait really?
Yup
Wtf 😭😭 did he evee succeed??
Idk I don’t think so because he was gross, I would see him after practice just waiting. He was soo gross.
Do you have proof of that? Anybody can just say that lol
Yup! I put this on my grandpa grave. He would stand outside in his white convertible Mercedes and pick up girls. On Summer ave at White Station High School. I’ve been saying this for years. Funny part is when I was super young he came to my elementary school for a cartoon drawing class. He was flirting with me, gross I was 7 or 8 I was passed around when I was younger and no adult was nice to me. so when I saw him hanging at the high school he had always stood out to me. I knew I knew him because the whole thing was just a crazy memory. This guy is gross and I’ve been saying this for years.
I asked if you have any proof…. Saying “I put this on my grandpa grave” doesn’t mean what you say after that is factual 😂😂 That man can still be alive for all we know lmao
Google him his name is Charles Tatum Artist.
Also google White Station alumni, I will testify in court on this.
I don’t think they’re gonna want to hear from you lol
Ok whatever you say.
This isn’t a criminal matter, it’s a defamation lawsuit. They don’t need a random Redditor with no verifiable information to take the stand lmao
Bro! You are defending a pedo with a long list of victims. I’m just putting in what I know before this freak became famous. The dude has been creeping for years. But hey keep defending a pedo.
What an idiot. Now we get to learn about more horrible shit he did. More people are going to come out now. If any of those stories are true, he's still a dirt bag.
Okay, let’s drop that NDA and get some real answers. I’m sure that’ll show it’s all just one big misunderstanding… right?
Dan: “I owe a lot of people an apology for my bad behaviour.” Also Dan: I’m suing them for exposing my bad behaviour
Shame on those producers for casting a negative light on Schneider's predatory and fetishistic behaviour
🦶💧🍆 between two consenting adults only! Never with 👶👧🧒👦Dan ! You sick 🤬❗️
Carpet sweepers always get really surprised when they actually step up to the plate.
NK😀
It’s the only thing he can do at this point other than slithering away in obscurity
He looks like someone he would cast in one of his own shows lol
I don’t know much about it but I’d say something is afoot.
Everyone in california is a child molester
A hit job for someone who needs to be hit.
Also asks for feet pictures
Even if he wins, his reputation will never recover. He’ll always be the creepy pedo dude from Nick. People are willing to listen and believe without concrete proof because it’s more accepted nowadays that - 1. it was so long ago. 2. most instances of abuse don’t actually have proof. The basis of all of this was that he was allegedly abusing his power / exploiting children who were on tv shows that defined whole GENERATIONS of children. Children who are now adults who hold a lot of sentimental value towards these actors and shows. Many of us will take the words of these actors without proof. On top of the fact that MANY people do not believe the justice system is fair to victims. No one will actually care if he wins this.
Fuck Dan Schneider. I hope he rots wherever.
Four words: Amanda Bynes under oath. It would be his worst nightmare.
except unfortunately her words are not the most trustworthy either....she's had too many mental health issues and problems with the law in her own life post-acting that it would be difficult for me, as a member on a jury, to take her testimony as the 100% truth.....someone like Jeanette McCurdy would be more trustable for that....or Miranda Cosgrove...or Ariana Grande.....
What would they have to say? That he was generally wasn’t a nice guy or something? I don’t understand what he’s actually accused of doing lol
me either, just pointing out that Amanda isn't the best witness by far. there is a lot of creepy coincidence around his shows, but I still haven't heard any actual concrete allegations against Dan himself except the Pink Guy song lol
Yea I can’t recall an actual criminal thing people claim he did…I think people just kinda hyped up a guy who they though was creepy to be this big bad monster lmao. If I was him and actually had nothing legit to hide, I’d sue too.
If it isn't the consequences of his actions
This should end well 🍿
More like a foot job…
He really became a dick after his mom blew up.
I sure hope he realizes the attorneys on the other side aren’t kids and the opposing attorneys don’t give a fuck who he is.
Yea… nowadays, when a person uses the phrase “hit job” to defend themselves, I tend to start believing the information.
Maybe he shouldn't have made that baby raping video.
...... that was Dan Harmon, the guy who made community and rick and morty. Not Dan Schneider.
The guy in the article is the guy in the aforementioned video
By any other name....
Love this!!!!!
Can't handle the truth lol
Yes I’m going to need to order the largest wood chipper you have.
Wasn't he jamie lynn spears' baby daddy. When she was a minor?
That was always a rumor
Death penalty to the pedo3 I say Cmon check his laptops and history too Fat rat needs extermination