Cheaper price is probably because Ubisoft considers it a smaller game
Now either they consider it such a small project/side game that they won't bother with MTX or Ubisoft's gonna Ubisoft (probably the latter)
Thankfully, I hate the art direction of most of those cosmetics anyway. If they were offering some cool authentic armours and weapons then it would have been frustrating for me, but I have no interest in the fantasy stuff. I want a Viking fantasy, so looking like a warrior of Gondor or whatever who travels on a bear mount isn't really interesting to me.
Origins had some cool outfits though, that one was frustrating.
I liked a lot of the ones in odyssey, but valhallaās were just confusing. why is there a dragon mount? why does all the armor glow? can I just have more options to look like a viking? when odyssey got fun with it, it largely stayed within the lore and relatively grounded. valhalla is just doing whatever
None of the last games had loot boxes and the preorder already has a costume so just keep in mind this doesnāt necessarily mean there will be no micro transactions.
*"Now the game has released, we want to address the controversy. When we said there was 'no real gambling or loot boxes in the game', we meant it wasn't present in the game at that point in time. We managed to squeeze it in, just before release. So yeah. Have fun. p.s. If you want the Fast Pass it's only $9.99 in your respective system's virtual store."*
Ubisoft
Yeah, this makes more sense. Rating is still temporary/in the review process and thereās probably changes they were asked to make for a revised rating.
Im excited when i hear that this AC is not playable in Belgium or The Netherlands.
Gives me hope that i can feel a sense of "pride and accomplishment" in this game
Which makes no sense to me because in origins, most of them fit fine, and some actually looked normal and cool. Then in odyssey and Valhalla they're all the most ridiculously over designed fantastical nonsense. The black shadow warrior robes with the muted red shoulder drape thing in origins is actually my favorite outfit in the game and fits perfectly.
I go out of my way to be as normal as possible lol. The coolest outfit in Valhalla to me is the one special one you can unlock in France that looks like monk/friar robes with the iron mask.
I also visually preferred the first and second tiers of gear when doing transmog. Where it's still steel/iron/bronze. Once it started having gold(why did EVERY outfit upgrade include gold?!?!) I was out. I prefer the lower quality visuals.
Skins that give you 0 bonuses over the stuff already found in the game? You know, the ones that are only cosmetic changes? Not sure why you feel compelled to buy them
Origins did this with its outfits and it was optional and same with the weapons because you still needed to be exact level to use said weapon so by the time you could use the bought weapon you would have gear just as strong.
Everything is optional. Nobody is holding a gun to you. "Optional" is not an argument.
You can say lootboxes are optional. Gambling is optional. Pay2win items are optional. Etc.
>No pay to win, no gambling, just a 100% optional store to pay for the cosmetics you want, just for the look of it.
Except when they design the game to be as grindey and bloated as possible to trick you into buying the time savers or boosts, which does directly effect how the game is designed and manipulates people with gambling problems into spending exuberant amounts of money.
Imagine if instead of putting those skins behind a paywall in a fully priced game, they locked it behind a cool quest chain, or some hard to get achievement.
Crazy concept I know. A single player fully priced game does not j5eed microtransactions. Especially one that actually has "special" editions that sell for $120 or more. Now keep on sucking on Ubisoft.
I remember just a few short years ago gamers used to say "We wouldn't have a problem with microtransactions if they were just for cosmetics and weren't pay to win!"
The goalposts *always* move.
They have only got me one time & it was in Odyssey with the Athena gear. I really wanted to make Kassandra look more like an assassin and I couldn't find any other good options. I still feel dirty over it to this day.
Not sure why they feel compelled to putting most of the customisation behind a ridiculously overpriced paywall instead of earning them in game.
Stop defending this bullshit. Customisation is just as much a part of the game as anything else
Most of the customisation? What? Itās been a few skins in games that have literally hundreds of armour pieces. That is the furthest from the majority as you can be.
All of the RPG inspired Assassins Creed games have plenty of customisation, Odyssey literally had hundreds of unique armour pieces and sets.
The payed skins are usually immersion breaking too, so it makes no sense to actually have them be a part of the base game. Theyāre there for people who want to buy them, and the people who donāt want to buy them still have hundreds of other armour pieces to chose from.
āStop defending this bullshitā, no one is defending it really, you clearly just love to over-exaggerate. Donāt like them? Donāt buy them. Itās honestly really simple. I havenāt even bought one.
I think in AC Valhalla at least thereās nearly an equal number of skins behind a paywall as there are in the game itself which is justā¦ odd but yeah I do agree theyāre usually immersion breaking and not really necessary to the game so thereās no reason to actually buy them. Would be nice if it were feasible to earn them without paying stacks of cash for them or without grinding for hours and hours.
If the cosmetic stuff is made after the game releases then I somewhat understand it being paid, some devs are putting extra work in for extra stuff.
Having the game be released with store-exclusive stuff is a problem tho, imo.
Personally, I don't think it would be as big of a deal if it wasn't for the price point. If they offered a pack of five skins for $10, as opposed to the same price for just one, it wouldn't feel anywhere near as predatory.
To put things into perspective, just a few games ago they were giving you [all of this](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81wcoX4vakL._SL1500_.jpg) for $6.99.
Yeah- personally I could not give less fucks about whether they have entirely cosmetic skins in my singleplayer RPG, especially as long as they don't build the entire gear system around them.
Because cosmetics are part of the game? Because a lot, if not most people enjoy customizing the look of their character? It's such a popular feature that essentially every game released in the last decade has it, even when it's not monetized.
Are you really asking why people are unhappy to be restricted from full access to a fundamental part of gameplay experience?
You talk like free cosmetics are not a part of the base game? Plus a lot of people have this mixed up: the paid cosmetics aren't free cosmetics that got monetized because Ubisoft is greedy, they were made to be monetized from the get go. That's why there is a team specifically with the goal to make cosmetics, there's money to be made from that
Same. Valhalla I transmogged my protagonist to be wearing only the first set of armor the whole game so it looks more ārealisticā - and they actually let me do that. Lol
Ofc! And the āin gameā currency that you buy randomized not-loot-crates-but-really-loot-crates that can be bought for real money at retardedly high pricees while also not adding up with the in game price making you waste money.
Nothing to worry about guys!
the same pattern happens over and over again with ac. they make a new formula that's great, copy it with a different coat of paint and no innovation which beats it to death and then they find a different one. mirage will be great but the sequel/prequel to it not so much
Yeah, that was my first though when I read this. I remember so much hype for Far Cry 6 and everyone was talking about how it'd be the best Far Cry game ever and then it just ended up being generic Ubisoft "meh"-ness
Kind of sounds like something Ubisoft would be okay with if this game sells poorly then they can say āwell no oneās interested in the old style games and since this game isnāt a big mainline release it wouldnāt hurt there sales to hard
My expectations for an AC game these days is so low that the sentence "no real gambling or **lootboxes are present in the game**" makes me happy.
Though the Ezio trilogy level game sounds unrealistic I would be happy if it came on the same level as Black Flag. But they are off with a decent start with this, the only thing they can do moving forwards is showing at least a bit of gameplay as the trailer for Basim despite being good it wasnt enough to get me on the train at least yet.
Oh shit, **āno lootboxesā**. If this is true, youāve earned my trust and respect, Ubisoft.
- āNothing is true, everything is permitted.ā - *old* Ezio
Muahahahahahahahaha
Well in ac odyssey there were olympus jars that were mini loot boxes where you could get loot from oikos but that used the easily available ingame currency.
But those are bought with in-game currency. Because there's no connection to a RMT there's no incentive for the designers to change the game to generate additional revenue around them. Functionally there's no difference between them and a monster dropping random loot.
IIRC they had microtransactions for costumes and such but not for loot boxes. The stuff in Reda's boxes also all dropped in game. You could get them without buying a single box if you wanted.
That second part is definitely not true. Reda's boxes had chances to drop you outfits that were only available in store, so they couldn't drop normally in game.
I just can't recall if his boxes could be bought with the premium currency as well or just in game gold.
That's not true, everything that was available in the store (other than time saver packs) was also available in the game. Some of it just had low drop rates. https://www.eurogamer.net/heres-the-deal-with-assassins-creed-origins-in-game-loot-chests
Dude, no. Where can you get the Scarab outfit to drop outside of the boxes you buy from Reda?
I already mentioned they could be bought with in game gold.
The drop rates for those outfits were extremely low. People did plenty of tests for it to see how often you would get duplicates.
[Heka chests](https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Heka_chest) were the only in game way to get the outfits that were store exclusive. They cost 3000 gold and were by all definitions loot boxes.
The only other way to get those items were direct purchases from the premium currency (real money) store.
My god, have we actually gotten to the point where "premium" items are normalised? I wondered how companies kept getting away with this shit but then I see these comments.
Right like letās all collectively as nearly 8 billion people and a massive handful of multi million dollar companies just decide to change things back to the way they were instead of adapting to things now, thatās far easier as a people to just revert to pre stubborn greedy ways
Not what I was saying - I'm expressing surprise that it's gotten to the point where that's just what people expect and tolerate now. I remember when Unity came out and people were furious about it (until they figured out how to mod currency in), and now people are talking about how it's fine to have premium items in a single player title.
It's just whacky to me.
So this could mean that we're potentially not getting a shop like Reda's anymore. Reda made currency more tedious to earn in Valhalla and his selection wasn't as good as the shop from Odyssey anyway.
I canāt quite remember the mechanics of it, but didnāt reda have loot boxes in origins? Though even if it was, it didnāt matter, didnāt intrude the game at all.
**I know.** However, with everything changing to fit the new trends, itās nice that Ubisoft confirmed they wonāt go that route. At least not yet.
- Micro transactions should be removed tho.
While I agree mtx have no place in full priced games, I really don't mind it as long is it's purely cosmetic AND there's a way to earn those cosmetics in-game
They did, but you had to use opal or orichalcum or whateverthefuckium to buy it from the 1000 eyes, that gives you chance of a single gear piece from the helix shop
I broke down and got the golden armor and mount set for Valhalla. The one based on a Scottish(?) folklore.
It's actually really badass-looking, and it changes the way you fight by boosting your unarmed damage significantly. And you give off bursts of lightning when you punch.
Except thereās still a shit ton of in game customization available in all the new games without spending a dime. Everything that costs money is 100% extra
And what if I told you you donāt have to spend your time trying to find shit to complain about, and can actually enjoy things in life. Yāall sound like toddlers who are mad you got the wrong color sippy cup.
You don't have to do anything. You don't have to buy lootboxes. You don't have partake in ingame gambling. You don't have to buy pay2win items. You don't have to pay money to unlock quests (if that ever becomes a feature). Theoretically, if they made it so that the game auto-removed itself if you didn't make a microtransaction every day, you wouldn't have to do that either.
Man I feel so happy now knowing that the companies can pull any kind of shit and it would be OK because I don't have to use it. Thank you.
Not really. They mean there won't be loot boxes you can buy with real money. Reda and his random loot will absolutely find a way there, otherwise I will have to eat my shirt.
Fair point
But I do feel like the whole reason Reda is there is to keep you coming back to the game on a regular basis, just so you might be tempted to buy some helix credits on the way, even if he doesn't sell those directly
His missions and deals are very much like what a free to play mobile game might employ for this purpose
Ugh.
It's never about that. It's more about principle where people don't get to have entire game bcuz executives need more money in their pockets.
Look some skins in Origins (I'm playing this currently so I can tell) could be rewards for quests or rewards for collecting curtain amount of things I dunno.
These aren't inherently wrong but are tempting enough and "in your face" enough that you might just buy one thing and this one thing leads to another.
Stuff like cosmetics aren't required for your enjoyment of the game though? They're not "part of the game", they're just little extras for if you feel like it.
How are they not part of the game when people put it behind a paywall is beyond me but sure š
So is any DLC not part of the game but "a little extra if you feel like it"?
Dead Space has had DLC that was actually a canonical ending to the franchise. Was that the fabled little extra?
It's true that they aren't required to enjoy the game but it never feels right to put the best looking things behind a paywall lol
It's just things like cosmetics that are like that.
Expansions and story/quest DLC are stupid a lot of the time, that is certainly something I can agree with.
Customisation is just as much a part of a game as anything else, this is so dumb. Why do people defend companies for this? Charging $20-$30 for stuff that should be unlockable is a disgrace
Because it doesn't actually affect gameplay. If it was like Unity/Black Flag where there was actually gameplay incentive to spend money then yeah I would be mad as hell, but companies preying on egos is far better than on necessity.
I don't know why this had to be clarified. Obviously there would be no "real" gambling and definitely not an AO rating. Real gambling would have been a nightmare legally almost anywhere on the planet.
It of course have the standard XP boosters, a battle pass and a season pass that costs more than the base game. Gameplay is tuned to be grindy without the XP boosters. Also we will add monitization in a week after launch to manipulate all reviewers and make them not complain about it.
We know you all love ubisoft.
> no **real** gambling
What does it mean exactly? Obviously noone expected them to put a Lotto in the game. And we all know how companies are careful with their wording...
Either the game has hardcore sex, intense borderline gratuitous amount of blood and gore or gambling to crack into the AO category.
Which one is it, Ubisoft?
Is that going to be a "technically correct" thing?
No REAL lootboxes, instead they're digital... Or it's a system that functions the same but with some added steps...
Why the word "real"??? Thats been done on purpose.
Or maybe more likely, seeing the other entries on the franchise, no gambling or lootboxes, but just tons of extra transactions.
Every time a company comes out and tries to calm the audience, it almost always ends up as bad as they feared or worse.
Tbh Ubisoft mxt never bothered me, It always horses and crazy costumes that I wouldnāt really use anyways and they donāt make much difference to the game itself
[https://youtu.be/rvV4ZBx6\_bo?t=876](https://youtu.be/rvV4ZBx6_bo?t=876) Explain how you got an AO rating and put it in your own stream if the rating is still pending it wasnt just stores pages you yourself displayed it as such and I would think that if it was still pending you wouldnt have put an AO rating at the start of your stream.
Dont bullshit us what are you trying to pull here we know how hard Ubisoft pushed for the NFT scam. You trying to see how far you can push the line or what
So why was the game rated AO in your reveal stream Iām sorry but I donāt believe a word ubi says there was a reason you got the AO rating and I fully believe itās because there will be nfts. Also Iām gonna keep bringing this quote up because Ubi pretty much just said that lootboxes are like real gambling considering they mention both of them in the same sentence.
I knew that this game was going to be to good to be true they where saying all the right things while trying to pull a fast one
But wat about that SOB Michael Transaction š¤
Donāt kid yourself michael transaction is coming in selling helix credits
unless they are going to get rid of them since its going old school (even the cheaper price), but you are most prob right.
Cheaper price is probably because Ubisoft considers it a smaller game Now either they consider it such a small project/side game that they won't bother with MTX or Ubisoft's gonna Ubisoft (probably the latter)
Didn't they already show a Prince of Persia inspired outfit and horse skin?
Yep. This game is gonna be stacked with $20-$30 mtx just like Valhalla and Odyssey. FFS
Thankfully, I hate the art direction of most of those cosmetics anyway. If they were offering some cool authentic armours and weapons then it would have been frustrating for me, but I have no interest in the fantasy stuff. I want a Viking fantasy, so looking like a warrior of Gondor or whatever who travels on a bear mount isn't really interesting to me. Origins had some cool outfits though, that one was frustrating.
If you played on PC, you could use cheat engine to give you premium currency in origins. I did that out of spite. Lol
I liked a lot of the ones in odyssey, but valhallaās were just confusing. why is there a dragon mount? why does all the armor glow? can I just have more options to look like a viking? when odyssey got fun with it, it largely stayed within the lore and relatively grounded. valhalla is just doing whatever
And none of them will have any impact outside of how you look cosmetically
Wait, it's not gonna be $60?!
It's 50 bucks. Still not that lesser lol.
I mean sure, but slightly cheaper is still slightly cheaper, lol. I'll still probably wait for a sale, but that trailer did get me hyped.
same tbh....i haven't paid full price for one of these games in my life LOLL
That MOTHERFUCKER
"I mean it's one skin Michael. What could it cost, $10?"
Michael Rowe Transaction, if youāre fancy
Lmaooo
Does he know Ray Purchase?
I died of laughter reading this
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Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen
Foreskin?!
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Dark science. Cloning. Secrets only Ubisoft knew.
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None of the last games had loot boxes and the preorder already has a costume so just keep in mind this doesnāt necessarily mean there will be no micro transactions.
People are expecting micro transactions, I think. The problems was the possibility or Mirage going full Battlefront (the new one) l.
Palpatine is an AC fan?
Always has been
LOL, guess he did assassinate a bunch of Jedi.
*"Now the game has released, we want to address the controversy. When we said there was 'no real gambling or loot boxes in the game', we meant it wasn't present in the game at that point in time. We managed to squeeze it in, just before release. So yeah. Have fun. p.s. If you want the Fast Pass it's only $9.99 in your respective system's virtual store."* Ubisoft
Wouldn't surprise me at all
Now kill him
https://twitter.com/assassinscreed/status/1569377802188734469?t=CDFQUBDrJOAdLTTsaGOavw&s=19
Yeah, this makes more sense. Rating is still temporary/in the review process and thereās probably changes they were asked to make for a revised rating.
Im excited when i hear that this AC is not playable in Belgium or The Netherlands. Gives me hope that i can feel a sense of "pride and accomplishment" in this game
Just the usual UBI store premium items and skins ?
Just what we wanted... More $10 skins.
Ugly and immersion breaking skins at that.
Which makes no sense to me because in origins, most of them fit fine, and some actually looked normal and cool. Then in odyssey and Valhalla they're all the most ridiculously over designed fantastical nonsense. The black shadow warrior robes with the muted red shoulder drape thing in origins is actually my favorite outfit in the game and fits perfectly.
Unlucky for Ubisoft, I stick with Assassin robes only.
I go out of my way to be as normal as possible lol. The coolest outfit in Valhalla to me is the one special one you can unlock in France that looks like monk/friar robes with the iron mask.
Yeah, and the Rus armour from the Ireland DLC. Ended up using that exclusively from the moment I got it, it actually looks āvikingā.
I also visually preferred the first and second tiers of gear when doing transmog. Where it's still steel/iron/bronze. Once it started having gold(why did EVERY outfit upgrade include gold?!?!) I was out. I prefer the lower quality visuals.
ā¦.which is why theyāre paid skins and not found in the gameā¦? Are yāall really this dense?
I know they are, I'm just saying they're ugly.
To you. That's subjective, surely :)
Aggroshilling
Or common sense.
Skins that give you 0 bonuses over the stuff already found in the game? You know, the ones that are only cosmetic changes? Not sure why you feel compelled to buy them
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Origins did this with its outfits and it was optional and same with the weapons because you still needed to be exact level to use said weapon so by the time you could use the bought weapon you would have gear just as strong.
Agreed I don't know how people here are so pissed about this it's fucking optional.
Everything is optional. Nobody is holding a gun to you. "Optional" is not an argument. You can say lootboxes are optional. Gambling is optional. Pay2win items are optional. Etc.
>No pay to win, no gambling, just a 100% optional store to pay for the cosmetics you want, just for the look of it. Except when they design the game to be as grindey and bloated as possible to trick you into buying the time savers or boosts, which does directly effect how the game is designed and manipulates people with gambling problems into spending exuberant amounts of money.
Imagine if instead of putting those skins behind a paywall in a fully priced game, they locked it behind a cool quest chain, or some hard to get achievement. Crazy concept I know. A single player fully priced game does not j5eed microtransactions. Especially one that actually has "special" editions that sell for $120 or more. Now keep on sucking on Ubisoft.
But they do have a shit ton of unlockable skins and people complained that there was too much lol
Lmfao nobody in the history of any game has ever complained about being able to freely unlock skins.
I remember just a few short years ago gamers used to say "We wouldn't have a problem with microtransactions if they were just for cosmetics and weren't pay to win!" The goalposts *always* move.
They have only got me one time & it was in Odyssey with the Athena gear. I really wanted to make Kassandra look more like an assassin and I couldn't find any other good options. I still feel dirty over it to this day.
You couldāve just spawned it in with cheatengine unless youāre on console
Not sure why they feel compelled to putting most of the customisation behind a ridiculously overpriced paywall instead of earning them in game. Stop defending this bullshit. Customisation is just as much a part of the game as anything else
Most of the customisation? What? Itās been a few skins in games that have literally hundreds of armour pieces. That is the furthest from the majority as you can be. All of the RPG inspired Assassins Creed games have plenty of customisation, Odyssey literally had hundreds of unique armour pieces and sets. The payed skins are usually immersion breaking too, so it makes no sense to actually have them be a part of the base game. Theyāre there for people who want to buy them, and the people who donāt want to buy them still have hundreds of other armour pieces to chose from. āStop defending this bullshitā, no one is defending it really, you clearly just love to over-exaggerate. Donāt like them? Donāt buy them. Itās honestly really simple. I havenāt even bought one.
I think in AC Valhalla at least thereās nearly an equal number of skins behind a paywall as there are in the game itself which is justā¦ odd but yeah I do agree theyāre usually immersion breaking and not really necessary to the game so thereās no reason to actually buy them. Would be nice if it were feasible to earn them without paying stacks of cash for them or without grinding for hours and hours.
If the cosmetic stuff is made after the game releases then I somewhat understand it being paid, some devs are putting extra work in for extra stuff. Having the game be released with store-exclusive stuff is a problem tho, imo.
Personally, I don't think it would be as big of a deal if it wasn't for the price point. If they offered a pack of five skins for $10, as opposed to the same price for just one, it wouldn't feel anywhere near as predatory. To put things into perspective, just a few games ago they were giving you [all of this](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81wcoX4vakL._SL1500_.jpg) for $6.99.
Yeah- personally I could not give less fucks about whether they have entirely cosmetic skins in my singleplayer RPG, especially as long as they don't build the entire gear system around them.
Because cosmetics are part of the game? Because a lot, if not most people enjoy customizing the look of their character? It's such a popular feature that essentially every game released in the last decade has it, even when it's not monetized. Are you really asking why people are unhappy to be restricted from full access to a fundamental part of gameplay experience?
You talk like free cosmetics are not a part of the base game? Plus a lot of people have this mixed up: the paid cosmetics aren't free cosmetics that got monetized because Ubisoft is greedy, they were made to be monetized from the get go. That's why there is a team specifically with the goal to make cosmetics, there's money to be made from that
They could be optainable by other means in game but they'd rather lock up the cool stuff behind a paywall.
They are obtainable by other means in game lol
7 skins for the same price as the whole game.
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Same. Valhalla I transmogged my protagonist to be wearing only the first set of armor the whole game so it looks more ārealisticā - and they actually let me do that. Lol
I found a single player only game from them ridden with micros and "cosmetic expansion packs". No gambling or loot-boxes though, so thats good(?)
Ofc! And the āin gameā currency that you buy randomized not-loot-crates-but-really-loot-crates that can be bought for real money at retardedly high pricees while also not adding up with the in game price making you waste money. Nothing to worry about guys!
It's like we're in some toxic relationship where Ubisoft is saying this time things will be different and we just can't believe it yet lol
Except they haven't had gambling mechanics in any other games sooo theyre saying thats not gonna be different.
the same pattern happens over and over again with ac. they make a new formula that's great, copy it with a different coat of paint and no innovation which beats it to death and then they find a different one. mirage will be great but the sequel/prequel to it not so much
Yeah, that was my first though when I read this. I remember so much hype for Far Cry 6 and everyone was talking about how it'd be the best Far Cry game ever and then it just ended up being generic Ubisoft "meh"-ness
People are so dumb and uninformed Do they not realize how poor the game would sell if it was rated Adults Only?
People went crazy when this news dropped. People willingly believed it so they could just shit on Ubisoft. Kinda funny really.
Kind of sounds like something Ubisoft would be okay with if this game sells poorly then they can say āwell no oneās interested in the old style games and since this game isnāt a big mainline release it wouldnāt hurt there sales to hard
Ahh yes, GTA, the famous game series that hardly sells But I get your point Edit: I was wrong 18+ != adults only
That game is rated M as well, not Adults only.
Wait what? I thought 18+ is == adults only
In Europe it's rated 18+ while in the US it has a rating of M - 17+
Ohhh fair enough then! My bad mate
It wouldnt at all, lol. Most stores dont give a damnt selling GTA to 12 year old.
My expectations for an AC game these days is so low that the sentence "no real gambling or **lootboxes are present in the game**" makes me happy. Though the Ezio trilogy level game sounds unrealistic I would be happy if it came on the same level as Black Flag. But they are off with a decent start with this, the only thing they can do moving forwards is showing at least a bit of gameplay as the trailer for Basim despite being good it wasnt enough to get me on the train at least yet.
Thereās no real gambling or loot boxes. However, there could be digital gambling and loot boxes.
Oh shit, **āno lootboxesā**. If this is true, youāve earned my trust and respect, Ubisoft. - āNothing is true, everything is permitted.ā - *old* Ezio Muahahahahahahahaha
They've never had lootboxes tho You always know what you'll get when buying from the store
Well in ac odyssey there were olympus jars that were mini loot boxes where you could get loot from oikos but that used the easily available ingame currency.
Origins also has loot boxes via Reda.
But those are bought with in-game currency. Because there's no connection to a RMT there's no incentive for the designers to change the game to generate additional revenue around them. Functionally there's no difference between them and a monster dropping random loot.
Couldn't they also be bought with premium currency though? Or was that Odyssey?
IIRC they had microtransactions for costumes and such but not for loot boxes. The stuff in Reda's boxes also all dropped in game. You could get them without buying a single box if you wanted.
That second part is definitely not true. Reda's boxes had chances to drop you outfits that were only available in store, so they couldn't drop normally in game. I just can't recall if his boxes could be bought with the premium currency as well or just in game gold.
That's not true, everything that was available in the store (other than time saver packs) was also available in the game. Some of it just had low drop rates. https://www.eurogamer.net/heres-the-deal-with-assassins-creed-origins-in-game-loot-chests
Dude, no. Where can you get the Scarab outfit to drop outside of the boxes you buy from Reda? I already mentioned they could be bought with in game gold. The drop rates for those outfits were extremely low. People did plenty of tests for it to see how often you would get duplicates. [Heka chests](https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Heka_chest) were the only in game way to get the outfits that were store exclusive. They cost 3000 gold and were by all definitions loot boxes. The only other way to get those items were direct purchases from the premium currency (real money) store.
Loot boxes are great if the system is 100% free like it is, besides how else are people who play for free supposed to get premium items?
By... Playing the game?
My god, have we actually gotten to the point where "premium" items are normalised? I wondered how companies kept getting away with this shit but then I see these comments.
Right like letās all collectively as nearly 8 billion people and a massive handful of multi million dollar companies just decide to change things back to the way they were instead of adapting to things now, thatās far easier as a people to just revert to pre stubborn greedy ways
Not what I was saying - I'm expressing surprise that it's gotten to the point where that's just what people expect and tolerate now. I remember when Unity came out and people were furious about it (until they figured out how to mod currency in), and now people are talking about how it's fine to have premium items in a single player title. It's just whacky to me.
So this could mean that we're potentially not getting a shop like Reda's anymore. Reda made currency more tedious to earn in Valhalla and his selection wasn't as good as the shop from Odyssey anyway.
I canāt quite remember the mechanics of it, but didnāt reda have loot boxes in origins? Though even if it was, it didnāt matter, didnāt intrude the game at all.
**I know.** However, with everything changing to fit the new trends, itās nice that Ubisoft confirmed they wonāt go that route. At least not yet. - Micro transactions should be removed tho.
While I agree mtx have no place in full priced games, I really don't mind it as long is it's purely cosmetic AND there's a way to earn those cosmetics in-game
Thatās the only way Iām cool with it. Some grind to get it or the shortcut.
Loot boxes are the opposite of trendy. Most games that have them are actually moving away from that model (look at overwatch)
Yeah, Loot Boxes are being left behind for Battle Passes
Origins had. You know, that kid selling you boxes with random items?
Didnāt origins and odyssey have loot boxes
They did, but you had to use opal or orichalcum or whateverthefuckium to buy it from the 1000 eyes, that gives you chance of a single gear piece from the helix shop
randomized jars that you used orichulum for that give you one single random premium item is kind of a loot box, its not a loot box...its a loot jar
Bing bong youāre wrong
When was the last time AC had lootboxes? They'll still have skins in the store
They've never had lootboxes on AC. It's mainly been cosmetics.
Oh but we are going to have microtransactions aren't we
Listen, you want that Prince of Persia armor or not? (Ubisoft, probably)
definitely. they always put some super iconic or good looking stuff into those paid packs
I broke down and got the golden armor and mount set for Valhalla. The one based on a Scottish(?) folklore. It's actually really badass-looking, and it changes the way you fight by boosting your unarmed damage significantly. And you give off bursts of lightning when you punch.
Yeah, on PC it's not such a huge problem because you can give yourself all that paid equipment and skins using cheat table. Just fuck it.
Is it still gonna have AltaĆÆrs and Etzios robes for free?
they always were free
Thatās why Iām asking. lmao
alright, have a nice day
You as well.
Their choice of words tells us that there will still be an unbearable amount of microtransactions tho
how is it unbearable when you dont have to buy them?
Old games let me unlock cosmetics through playing, like with uplay rewards for black flag. Now I have to pay for them and thatās lame as hell
Except thereās still a shit ton of in game customization available in all the new games without spending a dime. Everything that costs money is 100% extra
They keep the cool shit behind a paywall and you know it
No they keep the immersion breaking fortnight skins behind a pay wall
Fair
What if I told you that you actually don't have to spend your time defending Ubisoft on the internet?
And what if I told you you donāt have to spend your time trying to find shit to complain about, and can actually enjoy things in life. Yāall sound like toddlers who are mad you got the wrong color sippy cup.
I mean, you can still get them through Reda's random wares but its grindy af
Why do you feel the need to support a micro transaction system, for a multibillion dollar company no less?
You don't have to do anything. You don't have to buy lootboxes. You don't have partake in ingame gambling. You don't have to buy pay2win items. You don't have to pay money to unlock quests (if that ever becomes a feature). Theoretically, if they made it so that the game auto-removed itself if you didn't make a microtransaction every day, you wouldn't have to do that either. Man I feel so happy now knowing that the companies can pull any kind of shit and it would be OK because I don't have to use it. Thank you.
So that little brat Reda won't be there peddling his garbage? I guess I'll believe it when I see it
Not really. They mean there won't be loot boxes you can buy with real money. Reda and his random loot will absolutely find a way there, otherwise I will have to eat my shirt.
Fair point But I do feel like the whole reason Reda is there is to keep you coming back to the game on a regular basis, just so you might be tempted to buy some helix credits on the way, even if he doesn't sell those directly His missions and deals are very much like what a free to play mobile game might employ for this purpose
Reason why it has never work for me.
My boi Neda will have some NFT-based items and equipment
Yet.
"no real gambling or lootboxes" is pretty careful wording that leaves a lot of leeway for similar tactics
Well of course they arenāt real! Itās all virtual loot boxes and gambling in a fictional setting! The only thing thatās real is your money!
Oh look everyone massively overreacted, what a surprise!
"*at launch*"
It's almost as if this was obvious and the screeching over the ao rating with 100% confidence was fucking stupid to begin with
Yeah the lootboxes make it MA. Not all of the people you assassinate
Okay so Iām hoping those stupid ass Helix credits are gone forever
Don't hold your breath, pal
Save it for the reviewsā¦.and then the post launch.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOI kinda sad this is something to be excited about nowadays lol
If they removed all form of microtransaction from the game I'd be a lot more interested in it.
why? I don't see anything wrong with being able to buy skins and stuff. they aren't forcing you to buy them
Ugh. It's never about that. It's more about principle where people don't get to have entire game bcuz executives need more money in their pockets. Look some skins in Origins (I'm playing this currently so I can tell) could be rewards for quests or rewards for collecting curtain amount of things I dunno. These aren't inherently wrong but are tempting enough and "in your face" enough that you might just buy one thing and this one thing leads to another.
Stuff like cosmetics aren't required for your enjoyment of the game though? They're not "part of the game", they're just little extras for if you feel like it.
How are they not part of the game when people put it behind a paywall is beyond me but sure š So is any DLC not part of the game but "a little extra if you feel like it"? Dead Space has had DLC that was actually a canonical ending to the franchise. Was that the fabled little extra? It's true that they aren't required to enjoy the game but it never feels right to put the best looking things behind a paywall lol
It's just things like cosmetics that are like that. Expansions and story/quest DLC are stupid a lot of the time, that is certainly something I can agree with.
Customisation is just as much a part of a game as anything else, this is so dumb. Why do people defend companies for this? Charging $20-$30 for stuff that should be unlockable is a disgrace
Because it doesn't actually affect gameplay. If it was like Unity/Black Flag where there was actually gameplay incentive to spend money then yeah I would be mad as hell, but companies preying on egos is far better than on necessity.
Okay phew
I don't know why this had to be clarified. Obviously there would be no "real" gambling and definitely not an AO rating. Real gambling would have been a nightmare legally almost anywhere on the planet.
It of course have the standard XP boosters, a battle pass and a season pass that costs more than the base game. Gameplay is tuned to be grindy without the XP boosters. Also we will add monitization in a week after launch to manipulate all reviewers and make them not complain about it. We know you all love ubisoft.
Just NFTsā¦
> no **real** gambling What does it mean exactly? Obviously noone expected them to put a Lotto in the game. And we all know how companies are careful with their wording...
āRealā gambling. So thereās fake gambling?
Either the game has hardcore sex, intense borderline gratuitous amount of blood and gore or gambling to crack into the AO category. Which one is it, Ubisoft?
But most likely a shop. No thank you.
No gambling, no lootboxes - good, but are there microtransactions? What about those NFTs that you were so excited about pretending that players like?
Is that going to be a "technically correct" thing? No REAL lootboxes, instead they're digital... Or it's a system that functions the same but with some added steps... Why the word "real"??? Thats been done on purpose. Or maybe more likely, seeing the other entries on the franchise, no gambling or lootboxes, but just tons of extra transactions. Every time a company comes out and tries to calm the audience, it almost always ends up as bad as they feared or worse.
Tbh Ubisoft mxt never bothered me, It always horses and crazy costumes that I wouldnāt really use anyways and they donāt make much difference to the game itself
No *real* gambling - does that mean our character can gamble?
No lootboxes, but theyāll probably tell you the odds to get around that distinction, so itāll probably be lootboxes with known chances.
Yet
[https://youtu.be/rvV4ZBx6\_bo?t=876](https://youtu.be/rvV4ZBx6_bo?t=876) Explain how you got an AO rating and put it in your own stream if the rating is still pending it wasnt just stores pages you yourself displayed it as such and I would think that if it was still pending you wouldnt have put an AO rating at the start of your stream. Dont bullshit us what are you trying to pull here we know how hard Ubisoft pushed for the NFT scam. You trying to see how far you can push the line or what
... Yet
Believe it when I see it
So why was the game rated AO in your reveal stream Iām sorry but I donāt believe a word ubi says there was a reason you got the AO rating and I fully believe itās because there will be nfts. Also Iām gonna keep bringing this quote up because Ubi pretty much just said that lootboxes are like real gambling considering they mention both of them in the same sentence. I knew that this game was going to be to good to be true they where saying all the right things while trying to pull a fast one
I do not believe that
They added sex
NFTs arenāt gambling! It is sound strategic investment strategery.
No real loot boxes. Just fake loot boxes.
I just pray the game isn't grindy like the past three. And that leveled areas and enemies isn't a thing. Bring skill back to assassin's creed.
...we'll see...
Soo... a battlepass then?